Sub in Convoy

[Baumann]

Hi all!

I got SH3 only a couple of months ago, and have recently downloaded GWX 3.0 which is awesome (thanks to all who have worked on it!). I play the game with 100% realism - although it is more difficult, I find it far more satisfying. As a relatively new user, I have a couple of questions and this forum has to be the best place to ask:

1) In some convoys there appears to be the odd submarine, normally positioned in the central column. What is this? I can only assume it is british/american/kretschmer(lol) but there are no entries in the recognition manual for subs etc.

2) When loading some savegames I have experienced repeated crashes, like the savegame is corrupted - it appears to happen when there are other ships in the area, as oppose to being alone at sea.

[mookiemookie]

1. They're British submarines added by the GWX team. Check out page 367 in the GWX manual. I've seen them also, but never tried sinking one so I couldn't give you any pointers there.

2. SH3 has long had trouble when saving around other ships, especially while submerged. For instance, if you save in port and re-load, the AI controlled ships seem to lose their waypoints and beach themselves and burn. The best advice I can give you to avoid this wonkiness is to not save while submerged, and not to save while around other ships.

Good hunting!

[Weiss Pinguin]

Originally Posted by Baumann

1) In some convoys there appears to be the odd submarine, normally positioned in the central column. What is this? I can only assume it is british/american/kretschmer(lol) but there are no entries in the recognition manual for subs etc.

As mookie said, they're AI subs added in by GWX. Less than 2000 tons, but IIRC I once got about 500 or so renown for sinking a T-Class. :hmm: Last patrol I spotted an S-Class traveling with a convoy. Dodged both my torpedoes while zig-zagging.

[bigboywooly]

You wont find them in recog manual
Game limitation
Only shows sea units

[Baumann]

Many thanks for the help/advice. I imagine they are tough to sink so probably best to use my torpedoes on more suitable targets. With regard to the GWX manual, the pdf file I have seems to be faulty too so will have to download another version.

[Jimbuna]

Welcome aboard Baumann

If your fortunate enough to sink one of them, the renown values are:

S Class 320

T Class 420

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Welcome aboard Baumann

If your fortunate enough to sink one of them, the renown values are:

S Class 320

T Class 420

Is there a concise listing of the renown values for the ships in GWX? I suppose I could tear through the data files, but that's pretty cumbersome.

[A Very Super Market]

Awful lot of renown for 1300 tonnes.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Awful lot of renown for 1300 tonnes.

Yeah but how often are you going to see an enemy submarine, much less get a chance to sink it? :hmm:

[bookworm_020]

Knocked off a S class on my last patrol. Used the deck gun and had me a wonderful time!

[JScones]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Is there a concise listing of the renown values for the ships in GWX? I suppose I could tear through the data files, but that's pretty cumbersome.

AIRCRAFT
Ju 87 Stuka : 50
Beaufighter : 100
Hurricane : 20
Ju 88C : 100
Martlet : 20
Bf 109 : 20
Mosquito : 40
Mosquito-Tsetse : 40
P-38 Lightning : 20
Wildcat : 20
A6M "Zero" : 20
K Ship : 70
Ar 196 : 20
Kingfisher : 20
Catalina : 70
A6M2-N "Rufe" : 20
Sunderland : 70
Anson : 100
Fortress : 100
B-17F : 100
B-24 : 100
Liberator : 100
PB4Y-1 Liberator : 100
Beaufort : 20
DB-3 : 100
Fw 200 Condor : 100
Halifax : 100
He 111 : 20
Ju 88A : 100
Hudson : 100
Halifax : 100
SM.79 Sparviero : 70
Tu-2 : 70
V1 : 100
Wellington : 70
Whitley : 70
Swordfish : 20
Avenger : 50
Fa-223 Drache : 100
<Barrage Balloon>: 10

SHIPS
Cyclops : 0
Armed Tugboat : 50
Floating Dock : 25
Floating Dock : 30
Steam Trawler 01 : 40
Steam Trawler 02 : 20
Steam Trawler 03 : 20
Steam Trawler 04 : 20
Heavy freighter : 100
Medium Junk : 10
Small Junk : 5
Naval Artillery Barge : 30
Naval Tranport Barge : 20
Medium Merchant 11 : 100
Empire-type Freighter : 200
Red Cross Freighter : 300
CAM Freighter : 260
Commerce Raider : 530
Ammunition Ship : 370
Isles class : 30
Tugboat : 30
Auxiliary Cruiser : 420
KM Bismarck : 1700
HMS Duke of York : 1500
KM Gneisenau : 1700
HMS Anson : 1500
HMS Howe : 1500
RN Italia : 1500
HMS King George V : 1500
RN Littorio : 1500
HMS Nelson : 1400
Nevada class : 1100
HMS Prince of Wales : 1500
Revenge class : 1100
HMS Rodney : 1400
RN Roma : 1500
KM Scharnhorst : 1700
KM Tirpitz : 1700
Iowa class : 1500
RN Vittorio Veneto : 1500
KM Deutschland : 560
KM Graf Spee : 560
HMS Hood : 1800
Renown class : 1300
RHN Giorgios Averof : 375
KM Bluecher : 760
Kent class : 740
London class : 740
RN Fiume : 760
RN Gorizia : 760
KM Admiral Hipper : 760
KM Luetzow : 560
Dorsetshire class : 740
Maxim Gorki class : 650
KM Prinz Eugen : 760
RN Pola : 760
Kirov class : 650
KM Admiral Scheer : 560
New Orleans class : 430
RN Zara : 760
Chatham-type Troop Ship : 300
RN Duca degli Abruzzi : 430
Brooklyn class : 440
Dido class : 225
Fiji class : 430
RN Giuseppe Garibaldi : 430
K class : 430
Southampton class : 450
Coastal Tanker : 40
Bathurst class : 120
Flower class : 120
Bogue class : 500
Casablanca class : 420
Whale Factory Ship : 390
KM Graf Zeppelin : 1000
Illustrious class : 900
Essex class : 1000
A&B classes : 130
Minsk Class : 180
Bourrasque class : 120
Artillery Ship Bremse : 125
C&D classes : 130
Clemson class : 120
Fletcher class : 150
Hunt I class : 120
Hunt II class : 120
Hunt III class : 120
J&K classes : 130
L class AA : 130
N class : 130
Q&R classes : 130
S&T classes : 130
Soldati class : 130
Somers class : 140
Novik class : 150
Town class : 120
Tribal class : 140
Type 34 class : 145
Type 36A class : 165
Storozhevoy class : 145
V&W classes : 120
<Subchaser01> : 90
Uragan Torpedo Boat : 120
Buckley class : 130
Evarts class : 120
Flottenbegleiter class : 120
JC Butler class : 130
Frugas class : 130
Large Depot Ship : 350
Large Trawler : 40
Medium Tanker : 270
Dithmarschen class : 320
Captain class I : 120
Captain class II : 130
Colony class : 135
River class : 125
Tacoma class : 135
Large Trawler : 30
Fishing Boat : 20
Motor Vessel : 20
Small Trawler : 20
Fishing Ketch : 20
Fishing Ketch : 20
Pelagic Trawler : 40
Small Fishing Boat : 20
Motor Vessel : 20
Yacht : 20
Motorvessel : 230
Granville-type Freighter : 110
Large Tugboat : 20
Sub Chaser 13 class : 100
Vorpostenboot class : 40
Hospital Ship : 10000
Small Freighter : 70
Large Cargo : 240
Large Cargo : 240
Passenger/Cargo : 90
Fast Freighter : 430
Large Merchant : 300
Medium Freighter : 250
Great Lakes Freighter : 55
Large Old Cargo : 250
Medium Cargo : 190
Medium Old Merchant : 150
Medium Composite Merchant : 150
Old Composite Merchant : 160
Medium Old Split Merchant : 180
HogIsland Freighter : 160
Split Merchant : 120
Medium Split Merchant : 160
Express Freighter : 220
Medium Modern Passenger/Freighter : 150
Small Composite Merchant : 80
Coal Freighter : 90
Small Cargo : 70
Tramp Steamer : 60
Repair Ship : 70
Medium Steamer : 70
Small Old Merchant : 70
Small Merchant : 70
Cam Merchant : 200
Higgins Boat : 5
Lightship : 25
Medium Cargo : 190
Liberty Cargo : 220
Ceramic-type Ocean Liner : 780
Ocean Liner : 870
Tramp Steamer : 60
Small Merchant : 70
Landing Ship Tank : 220
Tugboat : 30
Large Tanker : 340
Liner/Transport : 420
Small Tanker : 125
HMT Aquitania : 890
MAS Torpedo Boat : 20
Raeumboot class : 20
Sperrbrecher class : 60
Isles class : 30
Minesweeper : 120
Nipiwan Park-type Tanker : 85
Large Modern Tanker :
Dithmarschen Class : 340
Medium old Tanker : 250
Small Old Oiler : 120
Large Tanker : 340
Modern Tanker : 320
Small Tanker : 125
Fleet Tender : 400
Black Swan class : 125
Large Troop Transporter : 400
Large Troop Ship : 870
Queen Mary : 870
Cyclops-type Collier : 310
Troop Transporter : 100
Small Ocean Liner : 420
Large Passenger/Cargo : 420
Troop Ship : 420
Small Vorpostenboot : 20
Kriegsfischkutter : 20
Motor Torpedo Boat : 20
Schnellboot : 20
Elco Torpedo Boat : 20
Ore Carrier : 210
Coastal Freighter : 60
Small Depot Ship : 330
Sub chaser : 70
Intermediate Tanker : 90
Type 23-24 classes : 125
Type 35-37 classes : 120
Troop Transport : 390
Large Freighter : 390
ASW Trawler : 30
Bulk Freighter : 150
Victory Cargo : 230
Armed Trawler : 25
RAF Air Sea Rescue : 20
Schooner : 15
Small Coal Tender : 20
Sloop : 10

SUBMARINES
Adua class : 130
Balao class : 280
Gato class : 280
Type XIV : 140
Type XXI : 200
Type XXIII : 110
Type IIA : 110
Type IIB : 110
Type IID : 110
Type VIIB : 130
Type VIIC : 130
Type VIIC : 130
Type IXB : 140
Type IXB : 140
Type IXC : 140
Type IXD2 : 140
S class : 320
Shchuka class : 220
T class : 420

Phew, took me hours and hours and hours to manually compile this list.



Don't forget:
- Multiply the renown by -1 if the unit sunk is neutral (default as per Basic.cfg)
- Multiply the renown by -10 if the unit sunk is your ally (default as per Basic.cfg)

[tomfon]

Wow!
Thanks a lot JScones.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by tomfon

Wow!
Thanks a lot JScones.

I second that, a very useful piece of information . Just one thing, I notice there isn't a renown figure against the Large Modern Tanker, presumably an oversight, but do you know what it is?

Nemo

[mookiemookie]

Thank you, JScones! I suppose you were *really* bored.

I'm saving this list!

[FIREWALL]

WARNING : Was posted in another thread. They will attack and shoot at you.