5 convicted of plotting to kill Fort Dix soldiers

NEON DEON · 12-22-08, 05:32 PM

Kewl we caught em before they did anything.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081222/.../fort_dix_plot

"Five Muslim immigrants accused of scheming to massacre U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix were convicted of conspiracy Monday in a case that tested the FBI's post-Sept. 11 strategy of infiltrating and breaking up terrorist plots in their earliest stages. The men could get life in prison when they are sentenced in April."

baggygreen · 12-22-08, 05:35 PM

"Could" get life in prison.

If your legal system is anything like ours, they won't. They'l be out in 15 years.

subchaser12 · 12-22-08, 06:45 PM

This smells like the "liberty seven" incident. The feds buddy up to some wahoos and eventually coax them into saying "hey lets kill some Ameeerikans." on a recording. Then the feds in question try to use the silly case to advance their paltry careers before the thing ever sees trial.

If the feds didn't get involved with these clowns they would still be in the backyard peacefully shooting their guns and talking smack about things they will never do. No different than some rednecks shooting cans or rats pretending they are the "turrists".

Of course I will get flamed for this and called a bunch of names. I am supposed to be thanking the feds for "keeping me safe" when in fact all they are doing is keeping their jobs safe.

I doubt this will make it thru appeals. These cases never do.

NEON DEON · 12-22-08, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subchaser12

This smells like the "liberty seven" incident. The feds buddy up to some wahoos and eventually coax them into saying "hey lets kill some Ameeerikans." on a recording. Then the feds in question try to use the silly case to advance their paltry careers before the thing ever sees trial.

If the feds didn't get involved with these clowns they would still be in the backyard peacefully shooting their guns and talking smack about things they will never do. No different than some rednecks shooting cans or rats pretending they are the "turrists".

Of course I will get flamed for this and called a bunch of names. I am supposed to be thanking the feds for "keeping me safe" when in fact all they are doing is keeping their jobs safe.

I doubt this will make it thru appeals. These cases never do.

Aramike's Turn

A Very Super Market · 12-22-08, 07:04 PM

I will be watching this thread and playing the Jaws theme in the background...

LET THE FLAME WAR....BEGIN!!

Etienne · 12-22-08, 07:48 PM

This is gonna be awesome, Grade A USDA approved internet drama.

Where's the popcorn?

baggygreen · 12-22-08, 07:50 PM

I often wonder what it will take for people to realise that no, not everything is some sort of conspiracy and yes, there really are people wanting to kill you out in the big wide world.

I thought, will they believe it if a dirty bomb goes off in a city? No, its a setup.

I thought, will they believe it if there is a massacre by gunman/men in the streets? No, they knew about it and failed to stop it for their own agenda.

I thought, will they believe it if offered evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt that this was the intent, and are convicted by a jury whose members were approved by both prosecution and defence? No, its rigged.

Then I just gave up.

Etienne · 12-22-08, 07:59 PM

People will alway think conspiracy for everything.

They don't want to accept that nobody controls the world; that would make it chaotic and frightening. People need to believe that someone's in control.

For some people, it's God; for other people it's the Illuminati.

That's my theory, anyway.

Frame57 · 12-22-08, 08:22 PM

Flamingboat still thinks the trade centers was an inside job, so why not this one too???

UnderseaLcpl · 12-22-08, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Well you don't need to be a wacko conspirationist to find this one wonky, from what the article says these guys look more like that

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Digital_Trucker · 12-22-08, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subchaser12

This smells like the "liberty seven" incident. The feds buddy up to some wahoos and eventually coax them into saying "hey lets kill some Ameeerikans." on a recording. Then the feds in question try to use the silly case to advance their paltry careers before the thing ever sees trial.

If the feds didn't get involved with these clowns they would still be in the backyard peacefully shooting their guns and talking smack about things they will never do. No different than some rednecks shooting cans or rats pretending they are the "turrists".

Of course I will get flamed for this and called a bunch of names. I am supposed to be thanking the feds for "keeping me safe" when in fact all they are doing is keeping their jobs safe.

I doubt this will make it thru appeals. These cases never do.

From the original article:

Quote:

The yearlong investigation began after a clerk at a Circuit City store told the FBI that some customers had asked him to transfer onto DVD some video footage of them firing assault weapons and screaming about jihad.

I suppose the Circuit City clerk was in on the conspiracy, too, eh, Mr. WhateverYourNameIsToday?

Quote:

"I don't think they actually mean to do anything," said Mohamed Younes, president of the American Muslim Union. "I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke."

Ah, excellent defense, too:rotfl:I bet that's part of the conspiracy. The government paid him to say that so that we would all get worked up over the conspiracy while the government conspires to something even worse while we're not looking.

Better get out an extra layer of tin-foil to protect yourself.

subchaser12 · 12-22-08, 10:57 PM

I notice no one here wants to talk about the Liberty Seven incident. No surprise. I never used the word conspiracy. A conspiracy is by definition an illegal aggrement.

I never said they weren't guilty per se, however the common denominator in these cases is the federal agents. They have been caught doing this time and again. They infiltrate some little nothing group of fools dumb enough to befriend some federal agent, they whip them up into a frenzy by coaching the hell out of them and holding their hands. Then when they finally get them to do something stupid like agree to buy some AK's, out come the handcuffs and a weak case.

Ask yourself this. What kind of hardcore terrorists infiltrates the country but doesn't even have enough support to get some AK's smuggled over the border? Why do such "real terrorists" have to try and buy guns locally. An Arab wanting to buy some guns, gee even the FBI would notice that. Sorry but these "terrorists" were about as dangerous as drunk fratboys talking about knocking over a casino.

subchaser12 · 12-22-08, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucke

From the original article:

Quote:

The yearlong investigation began after a clerk at a Circuit City store told the FBI that some customers had asked him to transfer onto DVD some video footage of them firing assault weapons and screaming about jihad.

I suppose the Circuit City clerk was in on the conspiracy, too, eh, Mr. WhateverYourNameIsToday?

Quote:

"I don't think they actually mean to do anything," said Mohamed Younes, president of the American Muslim Union. "I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke."

Ah, excellent defense, too:rotfl:I bet that's part of the conspiracy. The government paid him to say that so that we would all get worked up over the conspiracy while the government conspires to something even worse while we're not looking.

Better get out an extra layer of tin-foil to protect yourself.

Thank you for backing me up there DT. I didn't actually have to read the article, I didn't have to. I'm that good. I bet the curcuit city guy would not have called the feds if some rednecks were wanting a tape transfered of them shooting guns screaming "hell yeah, die turrist scum!"

You have to look at the feds track record here. Remember the Ruby Ridge incident? The feds at that time decided the militias were the terrorists. They went out there and crammed weak cases down people throats where there were none. Look what happened to Randy Weaver over the feds modus operandi.

How about Waco? How many children went up in flames thanks to the feds?

What about the feds behavior in the 1960s? Wreaking havoc and blaming it on the "hippie activists". Hell with the federal government turned loose on America we don't even need terrorists.

I guess I should not complain, in the old days they would have shot up some poeple and framed the "turrists". Things are kinder and gentler, now they just entrape morons.

subchaser12 · 12-22-08, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baggygreen

I often wonder what it will take for people to realise that no, not everything is some sort of conspiracy and yes, there really are people wanting to kill you out in the big wide world.

I thought, will they believe it if a dirty bomb goes off in a city? No, its a setup.

I never said everything was a conspiracy. That is as silly as saying everything is not a conspiracy.

If a dirty bomb goes off in a city there better not be a "military exercise" going on at that exact same time and place simulating a dirty bomb. There were military exercising simulating 9-11 when it happend, and Britian's 7-7 when it happened.

subchaser12 · 12-22-08, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Aramike's Turn

Don't get excited, mods told us to cool it. So I'll abide.

12-22-08, 05:32 PM	#1
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	5 convicted of plotting to kill Fort Dix soldiers Kewl we caught em before they did anything. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081222/.../fort_dix_plot "Five Muslim immigrants accused of scheming to massacre U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix were convicted of conspiracy Monday in a case that tested the FBI's post-Sept. 11 strategy of infiltrating and breaking up terrorist plots in their earliest stages. The men could get life in prison when they are sentenced in April." __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

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12-22-08, 05:35 PM	#2
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	"Could" get life in prison. If your legal system is anything like ours, they won't. They'l be out in 15 years.

12-22-08, 06:45 PM	#3
subchaser12 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spam, duplicate accounts, provoking moderators. Posts: 377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This smells like the "liberty seven" incident. The feds buddy up to some wahoos and eventually coax them into saying "hey lets kill some Ameeerikans." on a recording. Then the feds in question try to use the silly case to advance their paltry careers before the thing ever sees trial. If the feds didn't get involved with these clowns they would still be in the backyard peacefully shooting their guns and talking smack about things they will never do. No different than some rednecks shooting cans or rats pretending they are the "turrists". Of course I will get flamed for this and called a bunch of names. I am supposed to be thanking the feds for "keeping me safe" when in fact all they are doing is keeping their jobs safe. I doubt this will make it thru appeals. These cases never do.

12-22-08, 07:50 PM	#7
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I often wonder what it will take for people to realise that no, not everything is some sort of conspiracy and yes, there really are people wanting to kill you out in the big wide world. I thought, will they believe it if a dirty bomb goes off in a city? No, its a setup. I thought, will they believe it if there is a massacre by gunman/men in the streets? No, they knew about it and failed to stop it for their own agenda. I thought, will they believe it if offered evidence proving beyond reasonable doubt that this was the intent, and are convicted by a jury whose members were approved by both prosecution and defence? No, its rigged. Then I just gave up.

12-22-08, 07:59 PM	#8
Etienne Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 695 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	People will alway think conspiracy for everything. They don't want to accept that nobody controls the world; that would make it chaotic and frightening. People need to believe that someone's in control. For some people, it's God; for other people it's the Illuminati. That's my theory, anyway.

12-22-08, 08:22 PM	#9
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Flamingboat still thinks the trade centers was an inside job, so why not this one too???

12-22-08, 10:57 PM	#12
subchaser12 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spam, duplicate accounts, provoking moderators. Posts: 377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I notice no one here wants to talk about the Liberty Seven incident. No surprise. I never used the word conspiracy. A conspiracy is by definition an illegal aggrement. I never said they weren't guilty per se, however the common denominator in these cases is the federal agents. They have been caught doing this time and again. They infiltrate some little nothing group of fools dumb enough to befriend some federal agent, they whip them up into a frenzy by coaching the hell out of them and holding their hands. Then when they finally get them to do something stupid like agree to buy some AK's, out come the handcuffs and a weak case. Ask yourself this. What kind of hardcore terrorists infiltrates the country but doesn't even have enough support to get some AK's smuggled over the border? Why do such "real terrorists" have to try and buy guns locally. An Arab wanting to buy some guns, gee even the FBI would notice that. Sorry but these "terrorists" were about as dangerous as drunk fratboys talking about knocking over a casino.