Decoys

dtrain2k19 · 04-22-08, 09:25 AM

I Searched for this in forums and could not find it. What file needs to be edited for decoys? I would like to make them last longer and see what else can be edited. ( I like to mess around with stuff.)

Thanks
Dtrain

CaptainHaplo · 04-22-08, 08:28 PM

Not sure - lemme do some checking.

dtrain2k19 · 04-23-08, 08:58 AM

I have been looking all over and can not find it. I have looked though about couple doxen sim files but to no luck!

CaptainHaplo · 04-23-08, 07:19 PM

Senzori_UBoot.sim is the file you need. Its in Data/Library/GerSubParts.

From looking at it, it appears there is a "surface" variable as well as time to live and noise. All the Bolds have a noise of 0 - meaning it appears they are active sonar targets ONLY - though since they are bubble generators the should have a noise factor I would think. I don't have the time to play with em at the moment - if in your own work you learn anything useful, please be sure to let the community know!

caspofungin · 04-23-08, 07:40 PM

irl the bubble cloud generated by bold caused reflection of active sonar, they weren't noisemakers -- a submarine at slow speed was undetectable by the hydrophones of the era -- so the game is correct in assigning them a noise of 0.

there's mention of us subs having a copy of the bold decoys, using the allied name sbt "submarine bubble target" but i'm not sure if they were ever used in service.

the germans experimented with noise generators, but again i'm not sure if they were ever deployed.

CaptainHaplo · 04-23-08, 07:45 PM

Caspo, good point. I just wonder, since these were chemical bubble makers, if there wasnt some noise associated with such a chemical reaction. I guess I just have thought of these things like big ole alka-selterz pills in a metal container with holes - shoot one out and you get all kinds of bubbles - and fizzy type noises.

Your probably right that they wouldnt make enough noise to be useful....

But ya know - this does do one thing...... I wonder if we couldnt use this "noise" parameter with the time to live and somehow tie it into DC's - create a realistic "noise time" where after a DC run passive sonar would be useless to hunt a sub.... Probably not possible but its a thought I may fiddle with down the road.

caspofungin · 04-23-08, 08:01 PM

check out the sh3 mods thread -- someone, can't remember who -- was trying to get the dc's to mess up acoustic onditions (as irl) and was trying to tie the bold properties to the dc's.

Observer · 04-23-08, 09:22 PM

I tried it long ago in SH3 when doing the NYGM sensor work and it didn't work. I've not looked into it again, but I suspect the code has not changed significantly in this area.

caspofungin · 04-24-08, 07:42 AM

ah, the old days of nygm sensor testing -- a lot of effort, but the result was worth it.

anyway, check this out --
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134264

Redwine · 04-24-08, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dtrain2k19

I Searched for this in forums and could not find it. What file needs to be edited for decoys? I would like to make them last longer and see what else can be edited. ( I like to mess around with stuff.)

Thanks
Dtrain

Settings are into Sensors.sim, you can edit life time and surface....

04-24-08, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Redwine

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Originally Posted by dtrain2k19

I Searched for this in forums and could not find it. What file needs to be edited for decoys? I would like to make them last longer and see what else can be edited. ( I like to mess around with stuff.)

Thanks
Dtrain

Settings are into Sensors.sim, you can edit life time and surface....

Please ignore this if it is a particularly stupid question, but do you know which of these files pertains to the decoys? I count five amun_bold files total, 2,4,6,8, and 10. Thank you,

Bam

LukeFF · 04-24-08, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bammac3

Please ignore this if it is a particularly stupid question, but do you know which of these files pertains to the decoys? I count five amun_bold files total, 2,4,6,8, and 10.

All of them. The German decoys were progressively improved as the war progressed.

Observer · 04-24-08, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by caspofungin

ah, the old days of nygm sensor testing -- a lot of effort, but the result was worth it.

anyway, check this out --
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134264

Indeed. At the time I did this I simply added the Bold controller to the DC and tested. The DC exploded as it should have, and emitted clouds of bubbles just like a Bold would, but I never could see any discernible benefit from the effect, even with modified parameters on the Bold. This was in a single ship test mission (to keep the test results pure). In the end I abandoned the project.

dtrain2k19 · 04-25-08, 08:41 AM

What about decoys for americian subs? I did not find a sensors.sim file. I see sensors_ussub.sim file, but there is not BOLD inside of it. what am I doing wrong?

dtrain.

CaptainHaplo · 04-25-08, 12:45 PM

American subs did not use decoys in WW2 so they are not modelled for em. It would be possible to mod them in I guess.

04-22-08, 09:25 AM	#1
dtrain2k19 Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Decoys I Searched for this in forums and could not find it. What file needs to be edited for decoys? I would like to make them last longer and see what else can be edited. ( I like to mess around with stuff.) Thanks Dtrain

04-22-08, 08:28 PM	#2
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Not sure - lemme do some checking. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-23-08, 08:58 AM	#3
dtrain2k19 Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	thanks! I have been looking all over and can not find it. I have looked though about couple doxen sim files but to no luck!

04-23-08, 07:19 PM	#4
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Senzori_UBoot.sim is the file you need. Its in Data/Library/GerSubParts. From looking at it, it appears there is a "surface" variable as well as time to live and noise. All the Bolds have a noise of 0 - meaning it appears they are active sonar targets ONLY - though since they are bubble generators the should have a noise factor I would think. I don't have the time to play with em at the moment - if in your own work you learn anything useful, please be sure to let the community know! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-23-08, 07:45 PM	#6
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Caspo, good point. I just wonder, since these were chemical bubble makers, if there wasnt some noise associated with such a chemical reaction. I guess I just have thought of these things like big ole alka-selterz pills in a metal container with holes - shoot one out and you get all kinds of bubbles - and fizzy type noises. Your probably right that they wouldnt make enough noise to be useful.... But ya know - this does do one thing...... I wonder if we couldnt use this "noise" parameter with the time to live and somehow tie it into DC's - create a realistic "noise time" where after a DC run passive sonar would be useless to hunt a sub.... Probably not possible but its a thought I may fiddle with down the road. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-23-08, 07:40 PM	#5
caspofungin Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	irl the bubble cloud generated by bold caused reflection of active sonar, they weren't noisemakers -- a submarine at slow speed was undetectable by the hydrophones of the era -- so the game is correct in assigning them a noise of 0. there's mention of us subs having a copy of the bold decoys, using the allied name sbt "submarine bubble target" but i'm not sure if they were ever used in service. the germans experimented with noise generators, but again i'm not sure if they were ever deployed.

04-23-08, 08:01 PM	#7
caspofungin Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	check out the sh3 mods thread -- someone, can't remember who -- was trying to get the dc's to mess up acoustic onditions (as irl) and was trying to tie the bold properties to the dc's.

04-23-08, 09:22 PM	#8
Observer Commander Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 477 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I tried it long ago in SH3 when doing the NYGM sensor work and it didn't work. I've not looked into it again, but I suspect the code has not changed significantly in this area.

04-24-08, 07:42 AM	#9
caspofungin Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	ah, the old days of nygm sensor testing -- a lot of effort, but the result was worth it. anyway, check this out -- http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134264

04-25-08, 08:41 AM	#14
dtrain2k19 Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Americain subs What about decoys for americian subs? I did not find a sensors.sim file. I see sensors_ussub.sim file, but there is not BOLD inside of it. what am I doing wrong? dtrain.

04-25-08, 12:45 PM	#15
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	American subs did not use decoys in WW2 so they are not modelled for em. It would be possible to mod them in I guess. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo