Precious Black Hawk

Skybird · 03-25-08, 04:35 PM

I am currently watching the documentation "Making of Black Hawk Down", in 30-40 minutes heaps (it'S over 3 hours).

Like other "making of's" For Ridley Scott's major movies, the docu is as exciting like the actual movie itself. Usually I am not interested in such behind-the-scenes films, but with him it is different, because he is fascinating at work, and the projects are monumental, and his sense for visuals is second to no other director alive or dead.

In the docu he said that he did not know if he would get Black Hawks, because they could not be leased for nobody has them except the Pentagon. When he went to Marocco to start shooting, negotiations still were complicated and took much time, so he actually has 6 Hueys waiting in Germany to get painted black, as a reserve option. He had to change timetables because the Black Hawks arrived so late.

Four Black Hawks and Four Little Birds were cramped into just two transports!

Now I am wondering: is the Black Hawk in any way so secret or special that the US military does not sell it, or is it for sale but so expensive that it is unaffordable for private business? One would assume that a huge helicopter with such a reliable reputation like The Black Hawk would find customers in private business as well?

they had real Deltas and Rangers at the set who acutally were participating in the somalia mission, training and explaining to the actors. They said the scence and the set looked so drastically realistic that they felt stings in their heart and mind and intially withdrew to their inside a while because what Scott let loose at the audience reminded them so much of the reality they went through.

For "Blade Runner", "Gladiator", "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Black Hawk Down", such making of-documentations are available in the extended DVD sets with the according final or director'S cuts. I highly recommend them, even when they all last 3-4 hours usually, they are very well done and absolutely fascinating and lead you through all the production from writing the screenplay a ten thousand times over casting and shooting to post-production and audience reaction.. And Scott if an absolutely fascinatin director, very precise, economic, visual - and yet the calmest person on the set, always totally relaxed. Madness!

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Sailor Steve · 03-25-08, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Here in America it was released as The Duellists, and is one of my all-time favorites:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/

Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel in a duel that lasts 15 years! Uniforms and hairstyles change with the period of Napoleon being in and out of power, and the performances are superb, including the dueling styles. I agree; if you've never seen this very fun masterpiece, get it now!

Skybird · 03-25-08, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Here in America it was released as The Duellists, and is one of my all-time favorites:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/

Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel in a duel that lasts 15 years! Uniforms and hairstyles change with the period of Napoleon being in and out of power, and the performances are superb, including the dueling styles. I agree; if you've never seen this very fun masterpiece, get it now!

You are right about the title, I messed it up. "Die Duellisten" in German. You remember the ruin of the castle in the mist, at the end when they do their last duel?! Like illustrations for some romantic Jules Verne novel! Fantastic visual impressions.

mrbeast · 03-25-08, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Here in America it was released as The Duellists, and is one of my all-time favorites:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/

Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel in a duel that lasts 15 years! Uniforms and hairstyles change with the period of Napoleon being in and out of power, and the performances are superb, including the dueling styles. I agree; if you've never seen this very fun masterpiece, get it now!

Haven't seen that film for years!

But from what I can remember it was pretty good, think I'll give Amazon a scan and see if they have a copy in the UK.

Many of Scott's films resemble oil paintings and I think he likes to visualise his films as a painiting.

For example this painting formed part of the inspiration for Gladiator:

This isn't a very good image of the painting, its a brilliant, atmospheric piece.

RickC Sniper · 03-25-08, 06:05 PM

I love IMDB.COM because of the fun "trivia" insights.

From that site about "The Duelist"

During the scene where D'Hubert asks Adele to marry him, she starts to laugh. This laughter was not intentional. According to director Ridley Scott, she actually has a hard time keeping a straight face since one of the horses has a huge erection.

:p

Dowly · 03-25-08, 06:47 PM

I love Ridley Scott's movies. Really a great director. And yes, the BHD's Behind the Scenes was a great look too.

Skybird · 03-25-08, 06:49 PM

Okay, movies, fine, but -

any answer to my question on the Black Hawk's availability?

Dowly · 03-25-08, 06:52 PM

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Okay, movies, fine, but -

any answer to my question on the Black Hawk's availability?

You write too long posts. I only read the first 3-4 lines. :rotfl:

Skybird · 03-25-08, 07:10 PM

Next, reading the first 3-4 paragraphs would be an improvement!

Dowly · 03-25-08, 07:13 PM

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Next, reading the first 3-4 paragraphs would be an improvement!

I try.

EDIT: Righto, read it. No idea, but yes, it does seem abit silly if the BH is that big of a secret, only used for military purposes. I'm 100% sure tons of private companies would like to buy a civil version of the BH.

Happy Times · 03-25-08, 07:18 PM

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Okay, movies, fine, but -

any answer to my question on the Black Hawk's availability?

The Sikorsky S-70 is a medium-lift military helicopter family manufactured by Sikorsky. In the U.S. military, it is operationally known with the US military designation H-60. Civilian versions are also produced under the S-70 model designation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-70

Sikorsky S-92 - Civilian medium-lift derivative of the Black Hawk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-92

Btw. Finland was about to order Black Hawks two months back when the delivery of the NH-90 helicopters was late two years. They got money back and an maintence centre in Finland for NH-90 so the Black Hawk deal didnt go through.

Dowly · 03-25-08, 07:20 PM

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Btw. Finland was about to order Black Hawks two months back when the delivery of the NH-90 helicopters was late two years. They got money back and an maintence centre in Finland for NH-90 so the Black Hawk deal didnt go through.

Dang! I would've wanted BHs, they look much better than the NH90.

bookworm_020 · 03-25-08, 07:23 PM

Australia has both Black hawks and Sea Hawks in it's armed forces. We are also getting the NH-90 as well (around 40 of them)

Happy Times · 03-25-08, 07:35 PM

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Btw. Finland was about to order Black Hawks two months back when the delivery of the NH-90 helicopters was late two years. They got money back and an maintence centre in Finland for NH-90 so the Black Hawk deal didnt go through.

Dang! I would've wanted BHs, they look much better than the NH90.

Maybe but NH-90 can take over double the load of UH-60, half more passengers and has a longer range also.
It should also have very modern avionics suit and very good survivability in all conditons. But offcourse we will see what it is made of in the years to come.

Dowly · 03-25-08, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

Btw. Finland was about to order Black Hawks two months back when the delivery of the NH-90 helicopters was late two years. They got money back and an maintence centre in Finland for NH-90 so the Black Hawk deal didnt go through.

Dang! I would've wanted BHs, they look much better than the NH90.

Maybe but NH-90 can take over double the load of UH-60, half more passengers and has a longer range also.
It should also have very modern avionics suit and very good survivability in all conditons. But offcourse we will see what it is made of in the years to come.

True that.

03-25-08, 04:35 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Precious Black Hawk I am currently watching the documentation "Making of Black Hawk Down", in 30-40 minutes heaps (it'S over 3 hours). Like other "making of's" For Ridley Scott's major movies, the docu is as exciting like the actual movie itself. Usually I am not interested in such behind-the-scenes films, but with him it is different, because he is fascinating at work, and the projects are monumental, and his sense for visuals is second to no other director alive or dead. In the docu he said that he did not know if he would get Black Hawks, because they could not be leased for nobody has them except the Pentagon. When he went to Marocco to start shooting, negotiations still were complicated and took much time, so he actually has 6 Hueys waiting in Germany to get painted black, as a reserve option. He had to change timetables because the Black Hawks arrived so late. Four Black Hawks and Four Little Birds were cramped into just two transports! Now I am wondering: is the Black Hawk in any way so secret or special that the US military does not sell it, or is it for sale but so expensive that it is unaffordable for private business? One would assume that a huge helicopter with such a reliable reputation like The Black Hawk would find customers in private business as well? they had real Deltas and Rangers at the set who acutally were participating in the somalia mission, training and explaining to the actors. They said the scence and the set looked so drastically realistic that they felt stings in their heart and mind and intially withdrew to their inside a while because what Scott let loose at the audience reminded them so much of the reality they went through. For "Blade Runner", "Gladiator", "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Black Hawk Down", such making of-documentations are available in the extended DVD sets with the according final or director'S cuts. I highly recommend them, even when they all last 3-4 hours usually, they are very well done and absolutely fascinating and lead you through all the production from writing the screenplay a ten thousand times over casting and shooting to post-production and audience reaction.. And Scott if an absolutely fascinatin director, very precise, economic, visual - and yet the calmest person on the set, always totally relaxed. Madness! And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	I love IMDB.COM because of the fun "trivia" insights. From that site about "The Duelist" During the scene where D'Hubert asks Adele to marry him, she starts to laugh. This laughter was not intentional. According to director Ridley Scott, she actually has a hard time keeping a straight face since one of the horses has a huge erection. :p __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

03-25-08, 06:49 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Okay, movies, fine, but - any answer to my question on the Black Hawk's availability? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-25-08, 07:10 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Next, reading the first 3-4 paragraphs would be an improvement! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Australia has both Black hawks and Sea Hawks in it's armed forces. We are also getting the NH-90 as well (around 40 of them) __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

03-25-08, 06:47 PM	#6
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I love Ridley Scott's movies. Really a great director. And yes, the BHD's Behind the Scenes was a great look too.