ASW tactic: Baiting

Avatar · 02-11-08, 03:11 PM

I've found that when youre attacking a convoy from abeam, it's best not to do it from outside the convoy. Why? Because that's where the flank escorts go when ships start sinking! I use the electric torpedo, so the wake has nothing to do with this ASW tactic. It's almost as if they bait you in attacking from outside the convoys forward beam and then pounce on you.
Instead, see if you can get within the midst of the convoy before you start shooting at the flank columns. I call this the Pump-fake, after the novel Red Storm Rising. Get as close to the lead escort as you can, between 2km and 1.5km. As he goes by, get even closer to the middle of the convoy(assuming there are no biggies in the middle) Then turn towards the outer flanks and hit them that way.
I did this by firing from the middle of the convoy at the starboard flank escort and a 12kton Merchant, sinking them both and the lead escort took station where the stbd. flank escort would have been. Asside from burning ships, no one knew I was there!
The reason there were no big targets in the middle of the convoy was because they were sunk after a previous attack.

See if this works for you and if you have any other tactics, feel free to post.
thanks

Grayson02sept1980 · 02-11-08, 03:43 PM

will try it!

Thanks!

Brag · 02-11-08, 04:56 PM

there are three other advantages to getting in the middle of a convoy.

1.) You get to use forward and aft tubes

2.) The noise of the convoy will mask your movements when near the surface, for example doing the wiggle-waggle.

3.) Ships in the convoy will get in the way of escorts.

Jimbuna · 02-11-08, 05:27 PM

Not so sure about no 2

Sensors in game can hear through land masses

Sailor Steve · 02-11-08, 07:01 PM

Brag is special. He gets away with it because the escorts can't hear through Balz's new tinfoil hat.:rotfl:

difool2 · 02-11-08, 08:28 PM

Wouldn't the convoy scatter eventually if it took enough casualities?

UnterseeBoogeyMan · 02-11-08, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by difool2

Wouldn't the convoy scatter eventually if it took enough casualities?

I am finding that no matter what, convoys in GWX don't scatter. I took out a lone Black Swan as escort, and fully expected the convoy to scatter. They did not. Infact, they zigzagged ONCE, and thats it. Someone on one of my threads says its a hard-coded limitation. In real-life they would either scatter or you;d see some of the faster merchants high-tail it away from the convoy, but the Creator of real-life doesnt have any hard-coding limitations. He exceeds his system requirements by omega.

Jimbuna · 02-12-08, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Brag is special. He gets away with it because the escorts can't hear through Balz's new tinfoil hat.:rotfl:

LOL

Choronzon · 02-12-08, 05:32 AM

Tin foil hats come in handy. More info here:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

02-11-08, 03:11 PM	#1
Avatar Commodore Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Way out there Posts: 603 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	ASW tactic: Baiting I've found that when youre attacking a convoy from abeam, it's best not to do it from outside the convoy. Why? Because that's where the flank escorts go when ships start sinking! I use the electric torpedo, so the wake has nothing to do with this ASW tactic. It's almost as if they bait you in attacking from outside the convoys forward beam and then pounce on you. Instead, see if you can get within the midst of the convoy before you start shooting at the flank columns. I call this the Pump-fake, after the novel Red Storm Rising. Get as close to the lead escort as you can, between 2km and 1.5km. As he goes by, get even closer to the middle of the convoy(assuming there are no biggies in the middle) Then turn towards the outer flanks and hit them that way. I did this by firing from the middle of the convoy at the starboard flank escort and a 12kton Merchant, sinking them both and the lead escort took station where the stbd. flank escort would have been. Asside from burning ships, no one knew I was there! The reason there were no big targets in the middle of the convoy was because they were sunk after a previous attack. See if this works for you and if you have any other tactics, feel free to post. thanks

02-11-08, 04:56 PM	#3
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	there are three other advantages to getting in the middle of a convoy. 1.) You get to use forward and aft tubes 2.) The noise of the convoy will mask your movements when near the surface, for example doing the wiggle-waggle. 3.) Ships in the convoy will get in the way of escorts. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

02-11-08, 05:27 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not so sure about no 2 Sensors in game can hear through land masses __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-11-08, 07:01 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Brag is special. He gets away with it because the escorts can't hear through Balz's new tinfoil hat.:rotfl: __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-11-08, 03:43 PM	#2
Grayson02sept1980 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany-Bayreuth Posts: 276 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	will try it! Thanks!

02-11-08, 08:28 PM	#6
difool2 Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Wouldn't the convoy scatter eventually if it took enough casualities?

02-12-08, 05:32 AM	#9
Choronzon Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Tin foil hats come in handy. More info here: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/