encounter with US SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boneman · 01-16-08, 03:47 PM

i encountered a us gatoclass sub in my VIIC type german u-boat 50 miles SW of Brest. Is that historical? I am playing in a clan www.seedrache.webs.com.
We use GWX 2.0 and i ask myself and the community this simple question:
Is it normal that in GWX 2.0 we encounter a pacific fleet boat in european waters? IS THAT REALISM? i ask the developers of GWX is that realistic or just a joke from you guys? another thing. i struck the gato with one torpedo why DID IT NOT SINK??????? IS THAT REALISM? a SHAME FOR GWX 2.0
Alex Bauer U-52 proud seedrachemember

danlisa · 01-16-08, 03:56 PM

Nice way to ask a question.

I'll be surprised if you even get an answer.

melnibonian · 01-16-08, 04:22 PM

Because shame and manners cannot be taught or payed for here is your answer
"The Gato class served mainly in the Pacific ocean but they did operate from the Caribbean and the Atlantic for short periods of time. In the latter case, in support of TORCH, the allied landings in North Africa in 1942. " (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato_class_submarine).

In the future I would suggest you be more careful with your choice of words as what you said is hurting quite a few people who put loads of hours for you to enjoy your game.

GlobalExplorer · 01-16-08, 04:24 PM

Ok that clears it up, US did use their subs near France. Maybe we never heard of it because there was not much to do for them anyway.

GlobalExplorer · 01-16-08, 04:09 PM

with some imagination, why shouldnt the US have sent a sub to France? British subs did operate close to thew german ports (see Wolfgang Hirschfelds Diary of a U-Boat).

It did not sink? I have sunk some German subs (testing purposes with GWX 1.2) and it worked perfectly. don't see why there should be a prob with 2.0. One torpedo was not enough maybe, these US boats were pretty large compared to German / British ones.

P.S. Comments about GWX ignored. Personally I would rejoice if I encountered an US sub, because it spices up the game.

boneman · 01-16-08, 04:27 PM

Yes its true i was to rude. I really enjoy GWX 2.0 and i will take back my words. sorry when i insulted the developers. But its strange to have an encounter with a us sub at such a place! THANKS FOR GWX! ITS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

melnibonian · 01-16-08, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneman

Yes its true i was to rude. I really enjoy GWX 2.0 and i will take back my words. sorry when i insulted the developers. But its strange to have an encounter with a us sub at such a place!

It's Ok mate. We don't bite here (a lot at least

). Appology accepted. Now enjoy your game and send the Allies to the bottom of the sea

For future reference I will tell you that the GWX Team has spent a lot of time researching the U-Boat war and everything you see in the game is as realistic and accurate as the game engine allows. Have a look through the manual as well. It's a great read and you will find loads of information about a number of side-issues concerning the U-Boat War (and not only).

Good Luck and Good Shooting

Kpt. Lehmann · 01-16-08, 06:39 PM

Its a good thing cooler heads answered before me.

I'll bet boneman didn't even realize that Japanese subs visited Bordeaux... and if I am not mistaken, one of them was even sunk in the Bay of Biscay.

joea · 01-16-08, 07:00 PM

Ah yes, the history everyone thinks they know vs. what real research will turn up.

Ducimus · 01-16-08, 07:11 PM

Submarine squadron 50 comprised of about 6 gato's and 1 sub tender, and operated out of roseneath or holy loch, in the UK. This SubRon was created around 9/42, and left the atlantic theater sometime on, or after 4/43. As the US submarine war goes, it was a very minor footnote, but they were there for about 7 or 8 months.

http://www.subvetpaul.com/SAGA_6_98.htm
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87...t_victory.html
(section in yellow towards the bottom)

edit:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08221.htm
9th and 10th picture down (site doesnt allow hotlinking)

01-16-08, 03:47 PM	#1
boneman Engineer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Urk Posts: 214 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	encounter with US SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i encountered a us gatoclass sub in my VIIC type german u-boat 50 miles SW of Brest. Is that historical? I am playing in a clan www.seedrache.webs.com. We use GWX 2.0 and i ask myself and the community this simple question: Is it normal that in GWX 2.0 we encounter a pacific fleet boat in european waters? IS THAT REALISM? i ask the developers of GWX is that realistic or just a joke from you guys? another thing. i struck the gato with one torpedo why DID IT NOT SINK??????? IS THAT REALISM? a SHAME FOR GWX 2.0 Alex Bauer U-52 proud seedrachemember

01-16-08, 03:56 PM	#2
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	Nice way to ask a question. I'll be surprised if you even get an answer. __________________

01-16-08, 04:22 PM	#3
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Because shame and manners cannot be taught or payed for here is your answer "The Gato class served mainly in the Pacific ocean but they did operate from the Caribbean and the Atlantic for short periods of time. In the latter case, in support of TORCH, the allied landings in North Africa in 1942. " (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato_class_submarine). In the future I would suggest you be more careful with your choice of words as what you said is hurting quite a few people who put loads of hours for you to enjoy your game. __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

01-16-08, 04:24 PM	#4
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Ok that clears it up, US did use their subs near France. Maybe we never heard of it because there was not much to do for them anyway. __________________

01-16-08, 04:09 PM	#5
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	with some imagination, why shouldnt the US have sent a sub to France? British subs did operate close to thew german ports (see Wolfgang Hirschfelds Diary of a U-Boat). It did not sink? I have sunk some German subs (testing purposes with GWX 1.2) and it worked perfectly. don't see why there should be a prob with 2.0. One torpedo was not enough maybe, these US boats were pretty large compared to German / British ones. P.S. Comments about GWX ignored. Personally I would rejoice if I encountered an US sub, because it spices up the game. __________________

01-16-08, 04:27 PM	#6
boneman Engineer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Urk Posts: 214 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	i was to rude............. Yes its true i was to rude. I really enjoy GWX 2.0 and i will take back my words. sorry when i insulted the developers. But its strange to have an encounter with a us sub at such a place! THANKS FOR GWX! ITS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-16-08, 06:39 PM	#8
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,993 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Its a good thing cooler heads answered before me. I'll bet boneman didn't even realize that Japanese subs visited Bordeaux... and if I am not mistaken, one of them was even sunk in the Bay of Biscay. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

01-16-08, 07:00 PM	#9
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Ah yes, the history everyone thinks they know vs. what real research will turn up.

01-16-08, 07:11 PM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Submarine squadron 50 comprised of about 6 gato's and 1 sub tender, and operated out of roseneath or holy loch, in the UK. This SubRon was created around 9/42, and left the atlantic theater sometime on, or after 4/43. As the US submarine war goes, it was a very minor footnote, but they were there for about 7 or 8 months. http://www.subvetpaul.com/SAGA_6_98.htm http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87...t_victory.html (section in yellow towards the bottom) edit: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08221.htm 9th and 10th picture down (site doesnt allow hotlinking)