GWX and Convoy Routes

GreyBeard · 12-12-07, 10:28 PM

Currently running GWX1.03. Looking forward to V2. I try to follow shipping lanes/convoy routes as laid out on the original SH3 map. Right now I'm in a IXC, July `41 following a single ship route, westerly, from the south of Ireland in quadrant BF to Sydney in quadrant BB. I'm about 1/2 way across the big pond but have yet to encounter a ship on this route. In fact, I never seem to encounter ships on any of the convoy routes on the original map. Am I just unlucky or does GWX not use the routes on the original map?

PS: Thank you to all concerned for your seemingly tireless effort with the development of GWX. Great job! Oh hell, thanks to all the modders that continue to improve this wonderful game.

Hanomag · 12-12-07, 11:41 PM

Check out the operation spinnennetz sticky above for excellent convoy routes...

Pablo · 12-13-07, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GreyBeard

Am I just unlucky or does GWX not use the routes on the original map?

Hi!

GWX does not specifically follow the routes on the map. I suggest you use your hydrophones often, as they have a much greater detection radius than your periscope and / or bridge watch.

Pablo

papa_smurf · 12-14-07, 02:11 PM

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Check out the operation spinnennetz sticky above for excellent convoy routes...

Very true, this has helped me finding perfect hunting grounds.

Jimbuna · 12-14-07, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

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Check out the operation spinnennetz sticky above for excellent convoy routes...

Very true, this has helped me finding perfect hunting grounds.

No use in GWX2.0 because many of the waypoints are randomised

Steel_Tomb · 12-14-07, 05:37 PM

oh...thats annoying! I used to have a fave spot where I would just wait for them to appear on my hydrophone lol...looks like I might actually have to go searching for them now!

KeptinCranky · 12-14-07, 05:45 PM

No worries Steel Tomb, mate, there's still plenty of bottlenecks they have to pass through, If you're willing to take the risk

*cough* St. George's channel *cough*

Steel_Tomb · 12-14-07, 05:53 PM

...I know...I'll raid Dover!

lol...think I'll just sail around the pond until I find a new place! To U-boat alley!

Canovaro · 12-15-07, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

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Check out the operation spinnennetz sticky above for excellent convoy routes...

Very true, this has helped me finding perfect hunting grounds.

No use in GWX2.0 because many of the waypoints are randomised

Jimbuna, what do you mean with randomized?
BigBoyWooly told me in July this year about 2.0:

Convoy routes have not changed
Yes there are more merchants added as well as warships but convoy routes are untouched
They still run the same
Those routes are historical so no need to move them
(...)
singles are the same also
The only thing I have adjusted is tanker ally
They now have a more randomised route
Same basic area just not in a straight line

KeptinCranky · 12-15-07, 10:13 AM

Umm, Jim probably worded that a bit unclearly, :hmm: you should probably PM BigBoyWooly about it for more details, rest assured that GWX 2.0 will not invalidate all previous work done on Spinnennetz, although some contact-clusters might prove to be slightly innacurate

Remember that GWX is in many ways about historical accuracy so there's not so much you can do about convoy lanes, that's where they sailed historically after all, it wouldn't make sense for westbound convoys to suddenly sail around Iceland and approach Britain from the north...

Mush Martin · 12-15-07, 10:17 AM

What it means is that in the random campaign layer
convoys are given multiple course waypoints to choose
from and a 50% probability or so of choosing either course
at many points along the way.

what this means is that when you get a contact
report of a convoy headed your way from say
200 nm out headed your way. you have to search
over sixty or seventy miles of ocean to find them
and they have an even chance of dodging you.

its really a good development in the campaign layers.

M

bigboywooly · 12-15-07, 10:43 AM

Just to clear that up
MM is correct
Jim was to a certain extent too

Convoy routes remain as per previous versions
Some may have more waypoints added so you cant sit in the same spot and wait
The above is especially true of the Caribbean tankers and Liner routes

The map shouldnt be taken as gospel anyway
There is a chance the ships will travel either side of the marked convoy lane

The previous posts on the Spinnennetz thread still remain good and give you an idea of hot spots
Just not with 100% certainty

Jimbuna · 12-15-07, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Just to clear that up
MM is correct
Jim was to a certain extent too

Convoy routes remain as per previous versions
Some may have more waypoints added so you cant sit in the same spot and wait
The above is especially true of the Caribbean tankers and Liner routes

The map shouldnt be taken as gospel anyway
There is a chance the ships will travel either side of the marked convoy lane

The previous posts on the Spinnennetz thread still remain good and give you an idea of hot spots
Just not with 100% certainty

Should that not have read 10% :hmm:

Canovaro · 12-16-07, 10:29 AM

Thanks for clearing that up guys.
100% certainty has never been the goal of the project anyway.

12-12-07, 10:28 PM	#1
GreyBeard Engineer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 209 Downloads: 257 Uploads: 2	GWX and Convoy Routes Currently running GWX1.03. Looking forward to V2. I try to follow shipping lanes/convoy routes as laid out on the original SH3 map. Right now I'm in a IXC, July `41 following a single ship route, westerly, from the south of Ireland in quadrant BF to Sydney in quadrant BB. I'm about 1/2 way across the big pond but have yet to encounter a ship on this route. In fact, I never seem to encounter ships on any of the convoy routes on the original map. Am I just unlucky or does GWX not use the routes on the original map? PS: Thank you to all concerned for your seemingly tireless effort with the development of GWX. Great job! Oh hell, thanks to all the modders that continue to improve this wonderful game.

12-12-07, 11:41 PM	#2
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Check out the operation spinnennetz sticky above for excellent convoy routes... __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

12-14-07, 05:37 PM	#6
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	oh...thats annoying! I used to have a fave spot where I would just wait for them to appear on my hydrophone lol...looks like I might actually have to go searching for them now! __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

12-14-07, 05:53 PM	#8
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	...I know...I'll raid Dover! lol...think I'll just sail around the pond until I find a new place! To U-boat alley! __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

12-15-07, 10:17 AM	#11
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	What it means is that in the random campaign layer convoys are given multiple course waypoints to choose from and a 50% probability or so of choosing either course at many points along the way. what this means is that when you get a contact report of a convoy headed your way from say 200 nm out headed your way. you have to search over sixty or seventy miles of ocean to find them and they have an even chance of dodging you. its really a good development in the campaign layers. M __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

12-14-07, 05:45 PM	#7
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	No worries Steel Tomb, mate, there's still plenty of bottlenecks they have to pass through, If you're willing to take the risk cough St. George's channel cough

12-15-07, 10:13 AM	#10
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Umm, Jim probably worded that a bit unclearly, :hmm: you should probably PM BigBoyWooly about it for more details, rest assured that GWX 2.0 will not invalidate all previous work done on Spinnennetz, although some contact-clusters might prove to be slightly innacurate Remember that GWX is in many ways about historical accuracy so there's not so much you can do about convoy lanes, that's where they sailed historically after all, it wouldn't make sense for westbound convoys to suddenly sail around Iceland and approach Britain from the north...

12-15-07, 10:43 AM	#12
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Just to clear that up MM is correct Jim was to a certain extent too Convoy routes remain as per previous versions Some may have more waypoints added so you cant sit in the same spot and wait The above is especially true of the Caribbean tankers and Liner routes The map shouldnt be taken as gospel anyway There is a chance the ships will travel either side of the marked convoy lane The previous posts on the Spinnennetz thread still remain good and give you an idea of hot spots Just not with 100% certainty __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

12-16-07, 10:29 AM	#14
Canovaro Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,062 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Thanks for clearing that up guys. 100% certainty has never been the goal of the project anyway.