Do burning ships sustain damage over time?

tmdgm · 10-18-07, 05:30 PM

I just put 5-6 shells into a small freighter and he is burning pretty good. The shots were from long distance so I'm pretty sure I didn't hit the water line.

Question is, will he continue to sustain damage while he is burning? I had to submerge (out of torps) due to a flower, but he is still moving full steam. But still burning pretty good. Or is the fire just for show? I'm guessing the fire will go out eventually?

U49 · 10-18-07, 05:39 PM

The last time that I tried to find out led to a 2-day (simulated) trail 3-4 miles behind a burning and partly lowered merchant. ....
No effect, except I got bored and sunk him.

dmlavan · 10-18-07, 06:45 PM

I don't think the game models progressive fire damage. Flooding damage is progressive, i.e. the ship will gradually fill with water following a torpedo hit (or deck gun below the waterline), up to a point. Not all ships will sink from progressive flooding, either. The fire damage appears to be eye candy to represent some amount of structural damage already sustained.

Indiana_Jones · 10-18-07, 07:32 PM

Well ships in real life will burn, but will not sink, unless the heat from the fire causes sufficent damage to a bulkhead or 2.

In theory if the crew can not contain the fire, then they would be forced to abandon ship and it would just be a floating piece of burnt metal

-Indy

NiclDoe · 10-18-07, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Well ships in real ife will burn, but will not sink, unless the heat from the fire causes sufficent damage to a bulkhead or 2.

In theory if the crew can not contain the fire, then they would be forced to abandon ship and it would just be a floating piece of burnt metal

-Indy

Very true and the fires can be your friend or enemy. Just dock to the boat thats in flames and just go abord to roast some marshmelos.

XLjedi · 10-18-07, 09:20 PM

I can definitely confirm that in GWX!

I only have to send one torp into one of those whaler ships and if there's even a glimmer of fire all I have to do is wait around and the thing turns into a total inferno and sinks. It was actually the only moment in the game where I honestly felt sorry for anyone on board.

I suspect if I even hit the deck of one of those things with an explosive round it would sink from the fire.

I'm not sure if I've ever had to fire more than one torp at a whaler to sink it...

Brag · 10-18-07, 09:35 PM

Ummm. Most of my whale factories sink without flames.

I've seen tankers burn and eventually sink but I believe they sink from flooding.

The fires one sees on deck, are eye candy, I think.

Chock · 10-18-07, 10:51 PM

Burning ships can take a lot, so I guess it's not that unrealistic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_San_Demetrio

Chock

EZeemering · 10-18-07, 11:09 PM

I fired a bit on a troop transport in a convoy last patrol but ran out of ammo. I shadowed the convoy for a few days in hope it would sink. All it did was sailing circles around the convoy at 26kts, apparently screaming for help. The other ships in the convoy didnt come to aid nor the ship sank

At least I have a nice convoy shadow for Spinennetz

I-25 · 10-18-07, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EZeemering

All it did was sailing circles around the convoy at 26kts,

HOLY SMOKES!

26 Knts?! did you make a playable walterboat of something?!
or are you hiding a new secret underwater propulsion system from the rest of subsim

? Or did bernard just accidently pour the schanpps he smuggled aboard into the fuel tanks?

dcb · 10-18-07, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmdgm

Question is, will he continue to sustain damage while he is burning?

Check posts no. 5 and 9 of this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ght=fire+zones

And, as a general rule, the search function of this great forum is your friend

EZeemering · 10-19-07, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I-25

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZeemering

All it did was sailing circles around the convoy at 26kts,

HOLY SMOKES!

26 Knts?! did you make a playable walterboat of something?!
or are you hiding a new secret underwater propulsion system from the rest of subsim

? Or did bernard just accidently pour the schanpps he smuggled aboard into the fuel tanks?

Or maybe it was 16

Well the convoy was at medium speed and it was significantly faster as the rest of the convoy.

I-25 · 10-19-07, 12:53 AM

16kts, that sound much better

XLjedi · 10-19-07, 10:02 AM

Guys... I know I've seen small fires spread and grow into infernos, that cause damage, trigger explosions, and sink the ship.

I'll have to test it now in the editor...

10-18-07, 05:30 PM	#1
tmdgm Engineer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 219 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Do burning ships sustain damage over time? I just put 5-6 shells into a small freighter and he is burning pretty good. The shots were from long distance so I'm pretty sure I didn't hit the water line. Question is, will he continue to sustain damage while he is burning? I had to submerge (out of torps) due to a flower, but he is still moving full steam. But still burning pretty good. Or is the fire just for show? I'm guessing the fire will go out eventually?

10-18-07, 05:39 PM	#2
U49 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: D/Niedersachsen Posts: 777 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The last time that I tried to find out led to a 2-day (simulated) trail 3-4 miles behind a burning and partly lowered merchant. .... No effect, except I got bored and sunk him. __________________ SH3 battle capability upgrades: GWX2.0, JSGME2.0, SH3Commander 2.7, SH3Gen 0.8.2, TorpDamageMod 2.0, OLC GUI 1.1.5 Awaiting combat readiness for GWX2.0: SH4 effetcs for SH3, SH3Weather 1.5 Following development of: www.subwolves.com Realism: 90%

10-18-07, 07:32 PM	#4
Indiana_Jones Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 126 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Well ships in real life will burn, but will not sink, unless the heat from the fire causes sufficent damage to a bulkhead or 2. In theory if the crew can not contain the fire, then they would be forced to abandon ship and it would just be a floating piece of burnt metal -Indy Last edited by Indiana_Jones; 10-18-07 at 09:19 PM.

10-18-07, 09:20 PM	#6
XLjedi Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 8	I can definitely confirm that in GWX! I only have to send one torp into one of those whaler ships and if there's even a glimmer of fire all I have to do is wait around and the thing turns into a total inferno and sinks. It was actually the only moment in the game where I honestly felt sorry for anyone on board. I suspect if I even hit the deck of one of those things with an explosive round it would sink from the fire. I'm not sure if I've ever had to fire more than one torp at a whaler to sink it... __________________

10-18-07, 09:35 PM	#7
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Ummm. Most of my whale factories sink without flames. I've seen tankers burn and eventually sink but I believe they sink from flooding. The fires one sees on deck, are eye candy, I think. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

10-18-07, 06:45 PM	#3
dmlavan Weps Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 351 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	I don't think the game models progressive fire damage. Flooding damage is progressive, i.e. the ship will gradually fill with water following a torpedo hit (or deck gun below the waterline), up to a point. Not all ships will sink from progressive flooding, either. The fire damage appears to be eye candy to represent some amount of structural damage already sustained.

10-18-07, 10:51 PM	#8
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Burning ships can take a lot, so I guess it's not that unrealistic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_San_Demetrio Chock __________________

10-18-07, 11:09 PM	#9
EZeemering Mate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Willemshaven Posts: 52 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I fired a bit on a troop transport in a convoy last patrol but ran out of ammo. I shadowed the convoy for a few days in hope it would sink. All it did was sailing circles around the convoy at 26kts, apparently screaming for help. The other ships in the convoy didnt come to aid nor the ship sank At least I have a nice convoy shadow for Spinennetz

10-19-07, 12:53 AM	#13
I-25 Commodore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 629 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	16kts, that sound much better

10-19-07, 10:02 AM	#14
XLjedi Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 8	Guys... I know I've seen small fires spread and grow into infernos, that cause damage, trigger explosions, and sink the ship. I'll have to test it now in the editor... __________________