Depth charge attacks

Phil · 02-06-07, 12:37 PM

i know it has been stated that the number of charges each ship carries is over the actual amount that real ships carry for game purposes, but what is the amount that we can actually expect in an attack? will it be possible to just go deep to avoid attacks especially early on in the war? i usually didnt make it out alive in sh3 unless the ship decided to stop

birdy · 02-06-07, 01:10 PM

yeah i hope that the amount of depth charches is more realalistic in sh4.
couse the amount of the DC's are way to high in sh3. i never had once that a destroyer runs out of DC's

fire-fox · 02-06-07, 01:10 PM

well i dont think that the japanes depth charges could be set to depths deeper that 150m before 1943 but thay where HUGE compered to the Allide ones and sank quiker but i hope that its not the same as SH3's 111111111111111111111Million per tug boat

birdy · 02-06-07, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fire-fox

well i dont think that the japanes depth charges could be set to depths deeper that 150m before 1943 but thay where HUGE compered to the Allide ones and sank quiker

are the japanes DC's different to the allied ones??
what is the difference? are they only bigger? or do they more damage?

TDK1044 · 02-06-07, 01:34 PM

The Jap Destroyers are going to be dropping copies of the Collectors Addition in protest!

hyperion2206 · 02-06-07, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by birdy

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Originally Posted by fire-fox

well i dont think that the japanes depth charges could be set to depths deeper that 150m before 1943 but thay where HUGE compered to the Allide ones and sank quiker

are the japanes DC's different to the allied ones??
what is the difference? are they only bigger? or do they more damage?

From what I've heard the Japanese DC's contain more explosives, thus inflicting more damage.

02-06-07, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hyperion2206

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Originally Posted by birdy

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Originally Posted by fire-fox

well i dont think that the japanes depth charges could be set to depths deeper that 150m before 1943 but thay where HUGE compered to the Allide ones and sank quiker

are the japanes DC's different to the allied ones??
what is the difference? are they only bigger? or do they more damage?

From what I've heard the Japanese DC's contain more explosives, thus inflicting more damage.

And will keep a us sub skipper in stress constantly scratching his head...
Do we expect that flooding is worse in other compartments than other and how fast the damages are repaired by crew based on experience?
And will I get a SH4Commander to promote everybody after first patrol?:hmm:

hyperion2206 · 02-06-07, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by birdy

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Originally Posted by fire-fox

well i dont think that the japanes depth charges could be set to depths deeper that 150m before 1943 but thay where HUGE compered to the Allide ones and sank quiker

are the japanes DC's different to the allied ones??
what is the difference? are they only bigger? or do they more damage?

From what I've heard the Japanese DC's contain more explosives, thus inflicting more damage.

And will keep a us sub skipper in stress constantly scratching his head...
Do we expect that flooding is worse in other compartments than other and how fast the damages are repaired by crew based on experience?
And will I get a SH4Commander to promote everybody after first patrol?:hmm:

That would be awesome, but I hope that SH4 will be perfect so that we don't need a SH4Commander.

fire-fox · 02-06-07, 05:00 PM

im just bloody clade there arn't any Headgehogs in the japanes invitory.

Sailor Steve · 02-06-07, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by birdy

yeah i hope that the amount of depth charches is more realalistic in sh4.
couse the amount of the DC's are way to high in sh3. i never had once that a destroyer runs out of DC's

What period are you playing in? By 1943 most British destroyers were carrying 120 depth charges.

Corsair · 02-06-07, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by birdy

yeah i hope that the amount of depth charches is more realalistic in sh4.
couse the amount of the DC's are way to high in sh3. i never had once that a destroyer runs out of DC's

Don't know what version / what period / how often you're playing, or how long you've been DC'd, because either in NYGM or GWX mod, it happens to me quite often. If they can still have a location, they will keep on tracking and making "dry runs" to keep you under.

StandingCow · 02-06-07, 07:44 PM

I remember in Silent Service there was a certain depth where you hit a temperature difference.. and you were safe there from sonar... I am assuming that that is a real thing (the underwater currents) but did it really help hide them? Will this be part of SH4?

Found it:
http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/manuals/silentsr.txt
"Water Temperature - When the dial is in the blue section, it indicates the
submarine is below a thermal gradient layer. Note: Hiding below a thermal
gradient layer can provide extra protection against the enemy's counter
attack."

Torplexed · 02-06-07, 11:28 PM

About March of 1943 most US subs had had a bathythermograph installed aboard so finding and making use of thermal gradients should be a big part of the sim. They usually only appeared in deep water tho.

DrMilton · 02-07-07, 12:19 AM

Anyone remembers SH2? It used thermal layers too. But they dont make you invisible. They weaken the sound that will be emitted by you or bounce on you by the sonar (I always wondered how that guy in my crew knew when i crossed one)

TheSatyr · 02-07-07, 03:57 AM

Japanese DCs could go deeper than 150 feet,but they judged sub depths by how deep their subs usually went..they didn't take into account that US subs could dive deeper than their subs.

And I think the depth was 250 and not 150...it was only later in the war that they learned that US Subs went deeper than 250.

Of course if you are caught in shallow water it doesn't matter how deep the DCs can go.

02-06-07, 12:37 PM	#1
Phil Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newark delaware Posts: 110 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Depth charge attacks i know it has been stated that the number of charges each ship carries is over the actual amount that real ships carry for game purposes, but what is the amount that we can actually expect in an attack? will it be possible to just go deep to avoid attacks especially early on in the war? i usually didnt make it out alive in sh3 unless the ship decided to stop

02-06-07, 01:10 PM	#3
fire-fox Chief Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire Posts: 326 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	well i dont think that the japanes depth charges could be set to depths deeper that 150m before 1943 but thay where HUGE compered to the Allide ones and sank quiker but i hope that its not the same as SH3's 111111111111111111111Million per tug boat __________________ Running subs aground since SH1 and Silent Service Running SH5 @ 100% difficulty + TWoS 2.2.19(RealNav + BDU + port smoke + food) + Carotio_IntercontinentalRadioPack tweaked + The Little Ships of SH5 - Coaster Pack

02-06-07, 05:00 PM	#9
fire-fox Chief Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire Posts: 326 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	im just bloody clade there arn't any Headgehogs in the japanes invitory. __________________ Running subs aground since SH1 and Silent Service Running SH5 @ 100% difficulty + TWoS 2.2.19(RealNav + BDU + port smoke + food) + Carotio_IntercontinentalRadioPack tweaked + The Little Ships of SH5 - Coaster Pack

02-06-07, 07:44 PM	#12
StandingCow Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 355 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I remember in Silent Service there was a certain depth where you hit a temperature difference.. and you were safe there from sonar... I am assuming that that is a real thing (the underwater currents) but did it really help hide them? Will this be part of SH4? Found it: http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/manuals/silentsr.txt "Water Temperature - When the dial is in the blue section, it indicates the submarine is below a thermal gradient layer. Note: Hiding below a thermal gradient layer can provide extra protection against the enemy's counter attack." __________________

02-06-07, 11:28 PM	#13
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	About March of 1943 most US subs had had a bathythermograph installed aboard so finding and making use of thermal gradients should be a big part of the sim. They usually only appeared in deep water tho. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

02-06-07, 01:10 PM	#2
birdy Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 101 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	yeah i hope that the amount of depth charches is more realalistic in sh4. couse the amount of the DC's are way to high in sh3. i never had once that a destroyer runs out of DC's

02-06-07, 01:34 PM	#5
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	The Jap Destroyers are going to be dropping copies of the Collectors Addition in protest!

02-07-07, 12:19 AM	#14
DrMilton Gunner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Right in the middle of it... Posts: 94 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Anyone remembers SH2? It used thermal layers too. But they dont make you invisible. They weaken the sound that will be emitted by you or bounce on you by the sonar (I always wondered how that guy in my crew knew when i crossed one)

02-07-07, 03:57 AM	#15
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Japanese DCs could go deeper than 150 feet,but they judged sub depths by how deep their subs usually went..they didn't take into account that US subs could dive deeper than their subs. And I think the depth was 250 and not 150...it was only later in the war that they learned that US Subs went deeper than 250. Of course if you are caught in shallow water it doesn't matter how deep the DCs can go.