Sukhoi and her stunts

Kapitan · 05-09-06, 10:10 AM

Taken from an airshow in russia i think it was and now availble to see via this link.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/video_...ng.php?id=2738

this is unedited fotage this is from a real airshow in real time.

Konovalov · 05-09-06, 10:21 AM

Oh so impressive. I'm taking time out in the office to watch this now. :|\

JJ · 05-09-06, 10:27 AM

Awesome stunts by awesome aircraft..

Didn't spot them doing Pugachev's Cobra, tho.. that's a classic

STEED · 05-09-06, 11:01 AM

WAS THAT THE COBRA MOVMENT I SAW OUT OF THIS WORLD

Nice one kap great stuff.

JJ · 05-09-06, 11:31 AM

Hu.. there was a cobra?

Maybe I missed it.. I had some weird trouble with the clip. First it was all white. When I finally got it showing it kept flickering at random..

I did spot couple of "cobra attempts" tho, but what I could tell from the background clouds, they ended up being just loops.

Maybe I should view it again..

Type941 · 05-09-06, 01:36 PM

there was a cobra, even commentator said so towards the end, but it was there more than once, plus the 'bell' or whatever it's called, when the plane stops in the air and sars falling back on its tail than switching around and getting away.

Great to watch those pilents who are probably having some good fun too, the plane looks like its good handling one. With those badass red stars on the fins and all that.

:|\

Konovalov · 05-09-06, 02:10 PM

I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase.

TLAM Strike · 05-09-06, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase.

Right because with all these fancy Buck Rodgers like missiles thereâ€™s never going to be a dogfight! Like what everyone said when we designed the F-4 Phantom!

PeriscopeDepth · 05-09-06, 02:48 PM

I don't think floating in mid air is good for anything but airshows. I know someone's going to say, "But what about making the other guy overshoot???" Yeah, he'll overshoot alright. But you'll be flaming debris by then.

PD

Konovalov · 05-09-06, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase.

Right because with all these fancy Buck Rodgers like missiles thereâ€™s never going to be a dogfight! Like what everyone said when we designed the F-4 Phantom!

And you have just demonstrated the counter argument to that. Of course from all of this came Tom Cruise and Top Gun.

Sea Demon · 05-09-06, 04:04 PM

Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE.

But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets.

bradclark1 · 05-09-06, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Right because with all these fancy Buck Rodgers like missiles thereâ€™s never going to be a dogfight! Like what everyone said when we designed the F-4 Phantom!

You are wrong. Thursdays are no missile days. Guns only.

SUBMAN1 · 05-10-06, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE.

But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets.

The SU-30 with TV is close to an SU-35, but not quite. The SU-35 is what they built the F-22 to fight, and it really isn't a fair fight. Of course, the SU-35 can kick the butts of the majority of the US forces as you can see by this graph.

-S

GunnersMate · 05-10-06, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE.

But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets.

The SU-30 with TV is close to an SU-35, but not quite. The SU-35 is what they built the F-22 to fight, and it really isn't a fair fight. Of course, the SU-35 can kick the butts of the majority of the US forces as you can see by this graph.

Have you heard of AIM-120 or AIM-54 ( I saw F-14 wasnt on the list)? Also how does the Flanker track the Lightning 2? The craptacular Scarab?

DeepSix · 05-10-06, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

...Of course, the SU-35 can kick the butts of the majority of the US forces as you can see by this graph.

-S

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No offense - all I can see is a short list of unexplained and unsubstantiated ratios that don't mean anything to me. I'm wary of statistics. What's the source?

05-09-06, 10:10 AM	#1
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Sukhoi and her stunts Taken from an airshow in russia i think it was and now availble to see via this link. http://www.flightlevel350.com/video_...ng.php?id=2738 this is unedited fotage this is from a real airshow in real time. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

05-09-06, 10:21 AM	#2
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Oh so impressive. I'm taking time out in the office to watch this now. :\|\ __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

05-09-06, 11:01 AM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	WAS THAT THE COBRA MOVMENT I SAW OUT OF THIS WORLD Nice one kap great stuff. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-09-06, 01:36 PM	#6
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	there was a cobra, even commentator said so towards the end, but it was there more than once, plus the 'bell' or whatever it's called, when the plane stops in the air and sars falling back on its tail than switching around and getting away. Great to watch those pilents who are probably having some good fun too, the plane looks like its good handling one. With those badass red stars on the fins and all that. :\|\ __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

05-09-06, 02:10 PM	#7
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

05-09-06, 10:27 AM	#3
JJ Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 106 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Awesome stunts by awesome aircraft.. Didn't spot them doing Pugachev's Cobra, tho.. that's a classic

05-09-06, 11:31 AM	#5
JJ Helmsman Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 106 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hu.. there was a cobra? Maybe I missed it.. I had some weird trouble with the clip. First it was all white. When I finally got it showing it kept flickering at random.. I did spot couple of "cobra attempts" tho, but what I could tell from the background clouds, they ended up being just loops. Maybe I should view it again..

05-09-06, 02:48 PM	#9
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I don't think floating in mid air is good for anything but airshows. I know someone's going to say, "But what about making the other guy overshoot???" Yeah, he'll overshoot alright. But you'll be flaming debris by then. PD

05-09-06, 04:04 PM	#11
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE. But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets.

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