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Kapitan 05-09-06 10:10 AM

Sukhoi and her stunts
 
Taken from an airshow in russia i think it was and now availble to see via this link.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/video_...ng.php?id=2738

this is unedited fotage this is from a real airshow in real time.

Konovalov 05-09-06 10:21 AM

Oh so impressive. I'm taking time out in the office to watch this now. :|\

JJ 05-09-06 10:27 AM

Awesome stunts by awesome aircraft.. :up:

Didn't spot them doing Pugachev's Cobra, tho.. that's a classic :cool:

STEED 05-09-06 11:01 AM

WAS THAT THE COBRA MOVMENT I SAW OUT OF THIS WORLD

Nice one kap great stuff. :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

JJ 05-09-06 11:31 AM

Hu.. there was a cobra? :-?

Maybe I missed it.. I had some weird trouble with the clip. First it was all white. When I finally got it showing it kept flickering at random.. :down:

I did spot couple of "cobra attempts" tho, but what I could tell from the background clouds, they ended up being just loops.

Maybe I should view it again..

Type941 05-09-06 01:36 PM

there was a cobra, even commentator said so towards the end, but it was there more than once, plus the 'bell' or whatever it's called, when the plane stops in the air and sars falling back on its tail than switching around and getting away.

Great to watch those pilents who are probably having some good fun too, the plane looks like its good handling one. With those badass red stars on the fins and all that. :) :|\

Konovalov 05-09-06 02:10 PM

I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase. :up:

TLAM Strike 05-09-06 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov
I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase. :up:

Right because with all these fancy Buck Rodgers like missiles there’s never going to be a dogfight! Like what everyone said when we designed the F-4 Phantom! :roll:

PeriscopeDepth 05-09-06 02:48 PM

I don't think floating in mid air is good for anything but airshows. I know someone's going to say, "But what about making the other guy overshoot???" Yeah, he'll overshoot alright. But you'll be flaming debris by then.

PD

Konovalov 05-09-06 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike
Quote:

Originally Posted by Konovalov
I think quite a few people view all this as "eye-candy" and ask the following question. Are any of these fancy moves of any use in a real modern day air combat environment? I'm guessing that the F-22 crowd would probably say no. The video was excellent in anycase. :up:

Right because with all these fancy Buck Rodgers like missiles there’s never going to be a dogfight! Like what everyone said when we designed the F-4 Phantom! :roll:

And you have just demonstrated the counter argument to that. Of course from all of this came Tom Cruise and Top Gun. :-j

Sea Demon 05-09-06 04:04 PM

Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE.

But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets. :up:

bradclark1 05-09-06 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike
Right because with all these fancy Buck Rodgers like missiles there’s never going to be a dogfight! Like what everyone said when we designed the F-4 Phantom! :roll:

You are wrong. Thursdays are no missile days. Guns only.

SUBMAN1 05-10-06 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE.

But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets. :up:

The SU-30 with TV is close to an SU-35, but not quite. The SU-35 is what they built the F-22 to fight, and it really isn't a fair fight. Of course, the SU-35 can kick the butts of the majority of the US forces as you can see by this graph.

-S

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2936/f227by.gif

GunnersMate 05-10-06 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Demon
Well, the F-22 does have TVC in 2-D. So I do think it was designed to see maneuvering WVR combat also. But it really depends on ROE.

But any rate, nice video. I've always been awestruck with the maneuvering capabilities of Sukhoi jets. :up:

The SU-30 with TV is close to an SU-35, but not quite. The SU-35 is what they built the F-22 to fight, and it really isn't a fair fight. Of course, the SU-35 can kick the butts of the majority of the US forces as you can see by this graph.

Have you heard of AIM-120 or AIM-54 ( I saw F-14 wasnt on the list)? Also how does the Flanker track the Lightning 2? The craptacular Scarab?

DeepSix 05-10-06 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
...Of course, the SU-35 can kick the butts of the majority of the US forces as you can see by this graph.

-S

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No offense - all I can see is a short list of unexplained and unsubstantiated ratios that don't mean anything to me. I'm wary of statistics. What's the source?


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