The end of binary order - and biology and science

[Skybird]

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One must not be mistaken: just because something looks strange does not mean that it cannot have an effect. In fact, hardly any discipline has had such a career as the gender sciences, although one cannot really speak of science in the narrower sense. None of the presented theses can withstand a review by biology or neuroscience.

Thats my argument ^. It is absurd, it is hilarious, and many reasonable people do not care at all - nevertheless it is very powerful and influential and creates a very intense destructive power (right becauue reasonable people did not care to contain it while there still was time). It creates quota policies, discrimination of "binary people" and demonization of ordinary, reasonable people. It creates witch hunts and public defamation campaigns, ruined careers and dysfunctional social constellations. Its one of the most popular examples of how noisy minorities can dominate the scene - not by being indeed right, but by merely being noisy instead.

In truth, the centers of the new gender theory can be relatively well delimited on a world map. It is the American universities on the two coasts of the USA as well as the European university cities, with Germany particularly standing out as a distribution area.

[Jimbuna]

I'll stick to my fundamental belief, you are born either male or female and whatever you choose to become after that is up to each individual and should be of little to no concern of anyone else.

[JU_88]

^Aye and the only reasonable demand you make of society is that they tolerate you and dont discriminate too much (I say 'too much' because individually we all dicriminate whether we like it or not). You cannot expect society en mass to embrace you or bend over backwards to accomadate you so you feel comfortable all the time, that is simply not reasonable or possible.

[Skybird]

You can demand that - and be successful with that. That is the point. This madness works. It is successfully spreading. Job candidates get decided for or against on basis of whether they embrace gender theory or not. At universities you can get fired if you do not obey gender language. Your papers that you have to file as a student can get rejected if you do not comply with gender language. it is it being done - on very wide front. Teachings, lessons can get booed down and boycotted, speakers and tutors can get mobbed if they object to gender new speak.It happens. Right now. All the time. City administratition demand gender new speak in official forums. they adress citizens with gender new speak, they even sometimes refused papers handed in by citizen due to discriminative violation of language. On natzional and eU level they push to criminlaise rejeciton of gender theory. Not complying with egnder new speak shall become a ounsiable offence, based on hate crime and discrimination.


Its reality, guys. Already now. And not even rare. Its becoming standard. Once legislation and laws have been taken over, this madness will have beocme the new norm, and anybody not following it will feel the sting from not doing so.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Not complying with egnder new speak shall become a ounsiable offence, based on hate crime and discrimination.

As it should be. Hate crimes and discrimination are intentional, targeted harassment.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Dowly

As it should be. Hate crimes and discrimination are intentional, targeted harassment.

Sometimes Dowly, sometimes, but thats one hell of blanket statment you made. problem is who gets to define what a 'hate crime' is and determine when one has taken place, alot of it is down to perception and context.
Just like any other type of crime its by no means always so simplistic and black and white as you put it.
E.g A trangender woman being refused service by a gynocologist can be percived as a hate crime by some.
or....
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...triarchy-women

Case and point, how they should be used ideally and how they are used in reality are not always the same thing.
I dont think is such a problem hate crimes exist, but if they do - they need to be WAY more clearly thought through and clearly defined, the problem is they are usually not, they are sketchy to the point they are open to about as much interpretation as a nostradamus prediction.

Often heavily based on how victims claims it 'made them feel'. Feelings can often be wrong.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

As it should be. Hate crimes and discrimination are intentional, targeted harassment.

So you are saying not complying with the utmost hilarious and absurd pervertations of language based on esoteric, narcissim, anti-scientific belief and ideolgocial power-play should be punishable.



Says a lot. But its not a compliment. To your defence I give oyu the benefit of doubt I just assume for a moment that maybe you are not aware of what queer lingual contorted manouvers official German and EU English are practicing already now. We even have had court cases already because of referring to a female with a child as a "mother", or distinguishing between "mother" and "father". We even have had action already about the use of male and female articles. Some even demand that in families the use of "mum" and"daddy" should be seen as a discrimination of some gender fools who feel offended and that it should allow the state to get engaged in order to correct this antisocial habit. On more and more forms, "mother" or "father" is beign replaced with "parent No. 1" and "parent No. 2" Although some retards already argue that the whole concept of "parenthood" is a discrimination and that it should be dropped alltogether, also to no longer be able to diffeentiate between biological parents of a child, and homosexual legal guardians: it is an offending to tell a homosexual couple that they could not create a baby biologically by their own means.



You are insane if you support this, Dowly. There are some simple basic truths about life and existence. One of them is that we must breath and eat and drink, another is that humans are a heterosexual species by genetical and biological design and evolutionary need and that this is the only one meachism by which we can continue to exist as a species, which is true for all mammals, as far as I know. No ideolgoy and no claim will ever chnage this. Reality will never bend and distort to comply with wnated idelgical world views. Rejecting this disqualifies you from any reasonable conversation or scientific discussion. "Gender science" - has as much to do with science as homeopathy or astrology. Its faery tale.



Just a few months ago german child psychologists and neuroscientists have warned and showed that a steep increase in personality disorders and psychological problems in juveniles over here is to be linked to a.) taking children away from intact family life and cramming them into Kindergardens aleady at way too early ages (as low as 1.5 years, everybody who gas had dealt with concepts like bonding and ealry-years children psychology knows what a destructive crime that is), and b.) systematically disrupting their natural sexual self identification process in their puberty by indoctrinating them with gender ideology and telling them that they are sexual neuters and can freely chsose whether they want to be a boy or a girl, that they can even switch back and forth or to beign something different as often as they want. The madness knows no limits here.



That is bull****, Dowly. And you will not hear anything different from me, ever. And I save myself from spenign more tme on listing exmaples of how contemporary language gets dustored further by the use of "#" and "*" and avoiding Mrs and Mr and Hr. and Fr. and female and male forms of subjectives and instead now adressing males as females in general . Not to mention gender quotes in job awardings, even complete exclusions of males from (legal action against this discrmination of males so far has seen no successes), there are univeristies in Austria and Germany where they have banned male candidates alltogether. It is here where gender idiocy and fascist feminism have come together in an unholy alliance.



Ba careful what you defend there. You destroy the mortar in the brickwall of our civilization there. And outside the Americna and European self-proclained "intellectual" left, nobody follows this and takes it for serious anyway. Here in Europe, it widens the trenches between people and societies with a still intact sense of historically grown own identity, and "progressive" entities being raped by EU ideologists who march amongs others for "gender idoelgiy" and radical, almost fascist femism.



Before the law, men and women shall be treated equal. Period. Not less. Not more. And the German Basic Law says right this in ink on paper, black on white, in writing. I am totally in support of this. Of this, but not more than this.

[Tchocky]

What's it to you, Skybird?

[Tchocky]

Wait. Trans athletes are bad-faith actors?

Nice blanket statements we have here.


I don't know who missed the newsletter but sex and gender are different things.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Wait. Trans athletes are bad-faith actors?

Nice blanket statements we have here.


I don't know who missed the newsletter but sex and gender are different things.

To begin with the simplest one, yes - they are two different things, but this is irrelevant because radicals deny the relevance (or even existance) of biological sex with gender, often self identified gender (ie without transition, remember the whole gender fluid thing where a person could change gender during the conversation?), being the only factor to be considered.

Sure it is a blanket statement (and thus faulty from individualistic perspective), but it does accurately convey the problem - people who transition man->woman have an unfair advantage in female sports competitions, particularly if they have transitioned recently or if they did not actually transition, because radicals demand that those people should not requite to provide evidence that they have transitioned.
South Park did an amusing number there:


And then there are more clear cut cases of abuse, for example when the guy demanded a lady to wax his male genitalia and sued the practice for being transphobic when she refused. Or where a non transitioned person would go to female prison and assault ladies there... after being convicted for the crimes of the very same sexual nature.

[u crank]

The damage being done to society by the increasing preference to identity politics and the radical non binary gender ideolagy is only begining. What will be the effect of this on young easy impressed children?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jor...-the-classroom

..and the tenth-rate academic dogmas driving the entire charade, that “identity” is something solely determined by the individual in question (whatever that identity might be). Even sociologists (neither the older, classical, occasionally useful type, nor the modern, appalling, and positively counterproductive type) don’t believe this.

The continually expanded plethora of “identities” recently constructed and provided with legal status thus consist of empty terms which (1) do not provide those who claim them with any real social role or direction; (2) confuse all who must deal with the narcissism of the claimant, as the only rule that can exist in the absence of painstakingly, voluntarily and mutually negotiated social role is “it’s morally wrong to say or do anything that hurts my feelings”; (3) risks generating psychological chaos among the vast majority of individuals exposed to the doctrines that insist that identity is essentially fluid and self-generating (and here I’m primarily concerned about children and adolescents whose standard or normative identity has now merely become one personal choice among a near-infinite array of ideologically and legally defined modes of being), and (4) poses a further and unacceptably dangerous threat to the stability of the nuclear family, which consists, at minimum, of a dyad, male and female, coming together primarily for the purposes of raising children in what appears to be the minimal viable social unit (given the vast and incontrovertible body of evidence that fatherlessness, in particular, is associated with heightened risk for criminality, substance abuse, and poorly regulated sexual behaviour among children, adolescents and the adults that they eventually become).

I could not agree more with the following.

The silence of the majority on such issues — driven, I think, by fear of the purposeful and genuinely dangerous social alienation likely to be generated in the wake of any given individual’s objections (regardless of how representative of the majority those objections happen to be) — will, in my opinion, generate a state of affairs among our children and adolescents that we will come in the decades to follow to deeply and profoundly regret.

[Buddahaid]

Given enough time it will collapse on itself when those who push the limits find they are not really any more special or deserving than anyone else.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Given enough time it will collapse on itself when those who push the limits find they are not really any more special or deserving than anyone else.

I am uncertain. The traditional feminists seem to be following the fate of the brown shirts - once useful to push for identity politics, group rights at the cost of universal individial rights and activist power they are now being slowly purged, with arrests and what not.

[mapuc]

Since some years back, Swedish news paper does not use words like she, her or he him.

Now they use the word hen
Female is either written as hon(she) or henne(her)
Male is either written as han(he) or honom(him)
so instead they use the word hen in every aspect.

Markus

[Skybird]

Maya Forstater, Joanne Rowling. Forstater speakign otu plain reaosn and scinetific fact - and gettin fired for it. Rowling Defending her, earning a massive sh!tstorm.

One has to know that there is a fundamental "civil war" takling place inside radical feminism. the one side, to which Fostater and Rowling seem to be sympathetic, is called trans-exclusive femism, and the other camp around Judith Butler who claims that biological gender is not real but just an arbitrary social construct.

Trans women are women.
Trans men are men.
Non-binary people are non-binary.

CC: JK Rowling.
Human Rights Campaign (@HRC) December 19, 2019

Twitter / HRC

A ****storm - for this ^ ???


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50858919
Reasonable reasons for the judgement - in this ^ ...???

I read quotes of what Forstater said, the media usually summarize it as "transphobic". I do not see any phobic statement there at all, just plain reason and scientific, biological fact. Because its about the genes, stupid.

Its totally idiotic what happens ther ein massacres against reason and science. But brutal reality.


And what is it that Forstaster said and what she got fired for?

LINK Read here.

Loosing your job - for this ^??? Discrimination...? "Phobic"...???


Its reality, not a scenario of the future they might or might not turn real in the future. Like it is real already whatg I gave in exmaples in an earlier post above: job discmrination of males, male-all-exclusion quotas. Hell, there are 150 chairs for gender "sciences" in Germany. 150...!! Not mone fot hem deals with science, however. None of them has ever released abytjign that even cloesly would qualify for a scientific work. We could as well launch professorships for astrology, or homeopathy and Bach flowers "therapy", or green healing rays by St. Raphael, and healing with stones.



You are wrong, Dowly. From A to Z you are wrong there.