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Old 09-17-13, 02:33 AM   #1
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Default 69th Anniversary of Operation Market Garden

Time to remember the largest airborne operation of its time and an ambitious offensive to cross the Rhine to ultimately end the war by Christmas 1944.

Salute to those brave men who participated in the struggle!

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To all of those Brave men that took part in this operation.

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Salute to those involved.

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We did a BB war with this battle as the theme a few years ago only we changed the name to "Operation Park It Marvin".
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Jim did you really post a picture of a movie?

Here are the real folks:


Brigadier John Vandeleur




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I think I might have to play Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway.
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Acting is harder than the real thing. Just ask Brad Pitt.
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Market Garden is a good example of a great battle plan that was flawed because it relied to heavily on faulty intelligence assessments.

It was believed that the Germans had mainly low quality troops in the Netherlands and that it was a good place to attack.Well we all know that it did not turn out that way.I have read that Allied high command received decrypted intelligence that crack German units had very recently been placed in the but that intel was not passed down to lower commands.

It proves the advice from the Art of War "appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak" a similar suggestion was "pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance".
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It proves the advice from the Art of War "appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak" a similar suggestion was "pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance".
There was a German plot to lure the Allies into launching an invasion of Holland? That's news to me.

The Germans were just recovering from their headlong flight across France. Had Market-Garden gone off a week earlier while they were still running, or if the Germans had moved those SS divisions somewhere else to rest and reequip the Allies may well have pulled it off.

Call it what you want, even arrogance in the Allied high command, the fact is the Germans just lucked into being in a position to counter it. No Sun Tsu judo tactics involved.
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Jim did you really post a picture of a movie?

Here are the real folks:


Brigadier John Vandeleur




General Robert F. Sink


General Heinz Harmel


General Wilhelm Bittrich


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Major John Frost


Brigadier Hicks, Major-General Urquhart and Lt Gen Browning


Kate ter Horst


Major General James Gavin



Major General Maxwell D. Taylor
Thanks for the visual references. It really humanizes it.
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Jim did you really post a picture of a movie?
Yeah, why not?

It was a great move and a fitting tribute to those who were really there.
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