Can we just call these folks.....

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-13, 01:55 PM

trespassers then? We will spend weeks figuring out the best way to describe these folks and not actually solving the issue of providing a good path to citizenship.

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Many immigrant-rights advocates object to the terms “illegal” and “alien,” saying that people cannot be deemed illegal, and that the word “alien” makes them sound inhuman. They argue the better terms are “undocumented migrants.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...#ixzz2Ko5MKYi2

Hottentot · 02-13-13, 01:57 PM

We call them "cultural enrichment".

Sailor Steve · 02-13-13, 02:04 PM

I liked the one comment by the guy who said that next drug dealers will start demanding to be called "undocumented pharmacists".

At the annual Hispanic rally a few years back one woman was carrying a sign saying "I am not a criminal!" I only saw the picture, so I couldn't tell her "If you are here in violation of the law, then you are a lawbreaker. That's what a criminal is." If you go to another country in violation of their immigration laws, then you are indeed an illegal alien. How much intelligence does it take to figure that out?

This guy's an idiot, and he wants to make it all better by changing the language.

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-13, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

This guy's an idiot, and he wants to make it all better by changing the language.

Yes sir. Word Smithing at it's best.

These are New Americans who are here...ummmmm...illegally here. No wait. What? Illegal Americans!!!! That's it!

Wolferz · 02-13-13, 02:33 PM

Obfuscation at it's finest.
Why do they even pass laws if they have no intentions of enforcing them? Worse, they allow our borders to be penetrated like swiss cheese and then allow these crimiinals to claim rights. My advice to them is become a naturalized citizen and then you've earned the same rights as everyone else. Illegal immigrants/aliens in the eyes of our laws are the proper terms, as well as criminals whether they like it or not. Bandying cree words doesn't change the truth. Only our uninvited guests can change it by becoming naturalized. Not by becoming jailhouse lawyers.

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-13, 02:36 PM

Of course these are proper terms. The idea and perception need to change. Not the words. This is why it is word smithing. The problem here is months and $$$ are spent deciding what terms to use. Nonsense.

Wolferz · 02-13-13, 03:10 PM

Why take the proper path to the home of the brave when you can sneak in the basement door and claim ownership of the house with new terms for your status?
Thieves, miscreants,squatters and invaders are all accurate terms. But most of all Cowards fits like a glove. Side stepping all the proper channels and turning into a lobbyist to entreat our government to grant them favor is as cowardly as it gets. Not only on the part of our uninvted guests but also on the part of the people in DC for even allowing them an audience. The gentleman in the article should have been detained and deported as soon as he hit the capitol steps.

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-13, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

The gentleman in the article should have been detained and deported as soon as he hit the capitol steps.

Excellent point. Welcome to being made an example of. It seems any shred of containing the problem is long gone. It is similar to putting on a raincoat after you already been outside in the rain.

Also, stunts like this does not help your cause.

02-13-13, 03:37 PM

Pardon me with a crazy thought.

But if someone is helping the illegals wouldn't they themselves be guilty of aiding and abetting?

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-13, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Pardon me with a crazy thought.

But if someone is helping the illegals wouldn't they themselves be guilty of aiding and abetting?

For some reason people run around with blinders. By definition I would say yes. It is aiding and abetting.

tater · 02-13-13, 04:07 PM

If they learned english, they'd know that "alien" has exactly nothing to do with being "inhuman," it just means from a foreign nation.

Never mind that people are required to go through immigration/passport control to enter the country, and any that skip it are, duh, illegal.

Presumably anyone in favor of appeasing illegal aliens is also fine with people skipping passport control at the airport, right? What's the difference? Or is it only OK if they manage to not get caught immediately?

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-13, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Presumably anyone in favor of appeasing illegal aliens is also fine with people skipping passport control at the airport, right? What's the difference? Or is it only OK if they manage to not get caught immediately?

I would believe anyone in favor of appeasing illegal aliens is fine with just about anything. Nothing is OK with any of it. It is silly we spend months playing word games. Call it what it is and act on the law. Sadly, when officials act on the law there is something perceived as wrong in doing so.

Armistead · 02-13-13, 04:23 PM

Why don't we call them what they are, potential Democrat voters and cheap labor.

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-13, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Why don't we call them what they are, potential Democrat voters and cheap labor.

I was not going to say it.

Call them future Liberals.

fireftr18 · 02-13-13, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was not going to say it.

Call them future Liberals.

02-13-13, 01:57 PM	#2
Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	We call them "cultural enrichment". __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

02-13-13, 02:04 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I liked the one comment by the guy who said that next drug dealers will start demanding to be called "undocumented pharmacists". At the annual Hispanic rally a few years back one woman was carrying a sign saying "I am not a criminal!" I only saw the picture, so I couldn't tell her "If you are here in violation of the law, then you are a lawbreaker. That's what a criminal is." If you go to another country in violation of their immigration laws, then you are indeed an illegal alien. How much intelligence does it take to figure that out? This guy's an idiot, and he wants to make it all better by changing the language. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-13-13, 02:33 PM	#5
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Obfuscation at it's finest. Why do they even pass laws if they have no intentions of enforcing them? Worse, they allow our borders to be penetrated like swiss cheese and then allow these crimiinals to claim rights. My advice to them is become a naturalized citizen and then you've earned the same rights as everyone else. Illegal immigrants/aliens in the eyes of our laws are the proper terms, as well as criminals whether they like it or not. Bandying cree words doesn't change the truth. Only our uninvited guests can change it by becoming naturalized. Not by becoming jailhouse lawyers. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

02-13-13, 02:36 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Of course these are proper terms. The idea and perception need to change. Not the words. This is why it is word smithing. The problem here is months and $$$ are spent deciding what terms to use. Nonsense. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-13-13, 03:10 PM	#7
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Cowards is the more appropriate term. Why take the proper path to the home of the brave when you can sneak in the basement door and claim ownership of the house with new terms for your status? Thieves, miscreants,squatters and invaders are all accurate terms. But most of all Cowards fits like a glove. Side stepping all the proper channels and turning into a lobbyist to entreat our government to grant them favor is as cowardly as it gets. Not only on the part of our uninvted guests but also on the part of the people in DC for even allowing them an audience. The gentleman in the article should have been detained and deported as soon as he hit the capitol steps. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

02-13-13, 03:37 PM	#9
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Pardon me with a crazy thought. But if someone is helping the illegals wouldn't they themselves be guilty of aiding and abetting?

02-13-13, 04:07 PM	#11
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	If they learned english, they'd know that "alien" has exactly nothing to do with being "inhuman," it just means from a foreign nation. Never mind that people are required to go through immigration/passport control to enter the country, and any that skip it are, duh, illegal. Presumably anyone in favor of appeasing illegal aliens is also fine with people skipping passport control at the airport, right? What's the difference? Or is it only OK if they manage to not get caught immediately? __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

02-13-13, 04:23 PM	#13
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Why don't we call them what they are, potential Democrat voters and cheap labor. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

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