Neutral ships

Luken · 02-03-12, 09:05 PM

From what I found in SH3 you are losing your renown if you will sunk neutral ship (true?), how it works in SH5? I just had a situation where at night, with medium fog, I found a ship that was not illuminated and was traveling from British port. It was impossible to see a flag even from 500m, I though - he is in the war zone, not illuminated, so I should assume that it is an enemy (true?), after I shelled him, a fire on deck illuminated the flag - flag of Denmark. It looks like command is happy (I got a message with "Good work!" and completed mission), but is it true? That was a neutral ship

. Are there some precise guidelines of when attacking neutral ships is correct?

o7
Luken

THE_MASK · 02-03-12, 09:57 PM

C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\data\Scripts\AI\Events\GAMEPLAY_ShipSunk

Luken · 02-04-12, 04:59 AM

Hmm, it means there is no difference between sinking enemy ships and neutral ships

. A bit strange, but thanks.

Rongel · 02-04-12, 06:19 AM

But I think you still get renown penalty for sinking neutral ships. This is from data/cfg/basic.cfg-file:

[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200
CompletedPatrol=100
NEUTRAL=-1
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-10
WrongShipSunk=-5000
FirstRankRenown=1000
SecondRankRenown=3500
EndCampaign=-5000

So if you sink a ship with 400 renown value and it's a neutral, I think you get -400 point. At least I hope it works that way.

Luken · 02-05-12, 06:26 PM

Fishing trawler without a flag - I let him go, was it right?

misha1967 · 02-05-12, 09:15 PM

Not really worth sinking anyway, hardly any tonnage, so yes, I'd say it was the right thing to do.

Also, I'm not really into sinking fishermen. It's not like they contribute all that much to the enemy's war effort.

Maki4444 · 02-06-12, 05:47 AM

Well I think you can leave things up to your imagination. If you read the campaign messages from the BdU they often change the rules of engagement. Secondly thje ships that are true neutral in mtns mod are actualy lighted up at night, cool right

So if you come across a neutral ship in 1939 and the ROE don't specify sinking neutral ships, just let the ship go no matter what the game says about renown. I once found an Icelandic ship in 1940, it was dark and Iceland was marked red like an enemy country, however I found out on the Net that Before and during the early stages of the war Germany wanted to maintain very friendly relations with Iceland, but then in 1940 I think Britain invaded Iceland as a preemtive measure....so I was thinking we Germans like the poor Icelandics......we will win the war and liberate them in a few months....I don't want any bad blood.....so I let him go

Make up your own realism

The German captains also had a hard time making field decisions weather to sink a non British ship

Luken · 02-06-12, 01:06 PM

Thanks, I also made a decision only by "role-playing" my captain

. Poor fisherman, but If I could I would warn him, that he should install some lights or next time he may not be able to go back home

.

Maki4444 · 02-06-12, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luken

Thanks, I also made a decision only by "role-playing" my captain

. Poor fisherman, but If I could I would warn him, that he should install some lights or next time he may not be able to go back home

.

You can try the more traffic nations and ships mod or known as mtns http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...183101&page=49

Here you can find neutrals which have lights on at night and distingush them from the ones that are dark and trying to sneak contraband around

Luken · 02-06-12, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maki4444

You can try the more traffic nations and ships mod or known as mtns http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...183101&page=49

Here you can find neutrals which have lights on at night and distingush them from the ones that are dark and trying to sneak contraband around

I'm using it, and that Danish neutral ship from first post wasn't illuminated at night

.

Maki4444 · 02-06-12, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luken

I'm using it, and that Danish neutral ship from first post wasn't illuminated at night

.

There you go then. Don't worry he was off to Denmark for more supplies, when he comes back filled with material for the British, you get him

Luken · 02-06-12, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maki4444

There you go then. Don't worry he was off to Denmark for more supplies, when he comes back filled with material for the British, you get him

Actually I sunk him, and he can't go for war supplies :/ , so supplies needs to go to him

.

Maki4444 · 02-06-12, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luken

Actually I sunk him, and he can't go for war supplies :/ , so supplies needs to go to him

.

Great job Herr Kaeleun

BdU will be most pleased with your edeavours

Raven_2012 · 02-13-12, 10:06 PM

About neutral ships, I just ran into two of them. I have them in my sites and I ask hydro man to follow nearest sound contact, but he says there isn't any.

Is this because ships are neutral? I can hear them when I go to hydro station.

The ships are, Rongel Small Old Split Freighter and N3SA1 Small Merchant. I believe they were added from OHII Full.

Also I am using GHG hydrophone equipment and contact is 1250m away.

Tolkemec · 02-14-12, 01:04 AM

From the other thread, it seems you already have your game patched with TDW SH5Patcher... the sonarguy still cannot hear a ship at 1.250? Is it out of the deaf zone (I think 20º bow and 40º stern)? Even if you can hear them, the sonarguy will usually lose their track.

(if not using the patch: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...d.php?t=181433)

02-03-12, 09:05 PM	#1
Luken Loader Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 82 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	Neutral ships From what I found in SH3 you are losing your renown if you will sunk neutral ship (true?), how it works in SH5? I just had a situation where at night, with medium fog, I found a ship that was not illuminated and was traveling from British port. It was impossible to see a flag even from 500m, I though - he is in the war zone, not illuminated, so I should assume that it is an enemy (true?), after I shelled him, a fire on deck illuminated the flag - flag of Denmark. It looks like command is happy (I got a message with "Good work!" and completed mission), but is it true? That was a neutral ship . Are there some precise guidelines of when attacking neutral ships is correct? o7 Luken

02-05-12, 09:15 PM	#6
misha1967 Commander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 470 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Not really worth sinking anyway, hardly any tonnage, so yes, I'd say it was the right thing to do. Also, I'm not really into sinking fishermen. It's not like they contribute all that much to the enemy's war effort. __________________ Ansonsten, Herr Lutter, ist alles in Butter Liqui-cooled Intel i2550K @ 4.2 GHz, 8 Gb RAM, GTX 970 GPU

02-13-12, 10:06 PM	#14
Raven_2012 Commander Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Elmira, NY Posts: 445 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	About neutral ships, I just ran into two of them. I have them in my sites and I ask hydro man to follow nearest sound contact, but he says there isn't any. Is this because ships are neutral? I can hear them when I go to hydro station. The ships are, Rongel Small Old Split Freighter and N3SA1 Small Merchant. I believe they were added from OHII Full. Also I am using GHG hydrophone equipment and contact is 1250m away. Last edited by Raven_2012; 02-13-12 at 11:26 PM.

02-14-12, 01:04 AM	#15
Tolkemec Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: BCN Posts: 118 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	From the other thread, it seems you already have your game patched with TDW SH5Patcher... the sonarguy still cannot hear a ship at 1.250? Is it out of the deaf zone (I think 20º bow and 40º stern)? Even if you can hear them, the sonarguy will usually lose their track. (if not using the patch: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radio...d.php?t=181433) Last edited by Tolkemec; 02-14-12 at 01:18 AM.

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02-03-12, 09:57 PM	#2
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\data\Scripts\AI\Events\GAMEPLAY_ShipSunk

02-04-12, 04:59 AM	#3
Luken Loader Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 82 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	Hmm, it means there is no difference between sinking enemy ships and neutral ships . A bit strange, but thanks.

02-04-12, 06:19 AM	#4
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	But I think you still get renown penalty for sinking neutral ships. This is from data/cfg/basic.cfg-file: [RENOWN] RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500 RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200 CompletedPatrol=100 NEUTRAL=-1 ALLIED=1 AXIS=-10 WrongShipSunk=-5000 FirstRankRenown=1000 SecondRankRenown=3500 EndCampaign=-5000 So if you sink a ship with 400 renown value and it's a neutral, I think you get -400 point. At least I hope it works that way.

02-05-12, 06:26 PM	#5
Luken Loader Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 82 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	Fishing trawler without a flag - I let him go, was it right?

02-06-12, 05:47 AM	#7
Maki4444 Sparky Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Croatia Posts: 152 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	Well I think you can leave things up to your imagination. If you read the campaign messages from the BdU they often change the rules of engagement. Secondly thje ships that are true neutral in mtns mod are actualy lighted up at night, cool right So if you come across a neutral ship in 1939 and the ROE don't specify sinking neutral ships, just let the ship go no matter what the game says about renown. I once found an Icelandic ship in 1940, it was dark and Iceland was marked red like an enemy country, however I found out on the Net that Before and during the early stages of the war Germany wanted to maintain very friendly relations with Iceland, but then in 1940 I think Britain invaded Iceland as a preemtive measure....so I was thinking we Germans like the poor Icelandics......we will win the war and liberate them in a few months....I don't want any bad blood.....so I let him go Make up your own realism The German captains also had a hard time making field decisions weather to sink a non British ship

02-06-12, 01:06 PM	#8
Luken Loader Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 82 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	Thanks, I also made a decision only by "role-playing" my captain . Poor fisherman, but If I could I would warn him, that he should install some lights or next time he may not be able to go back home .