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Old 05-02-11, 07:18 AM   #1
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Default Illegal to talk to a Police Officer?

If you have an Android phone or an iPhone, install Qik. It streams your video over 3G to a remote server where people can watch it in realtime, as well as gives you a remote storage of the video that the officer cannot interfere with in the event that they try to confiscate your phone (there have been plenty of cases where officers were caught destroying cell phones that people used to record video with). Qik or any similar app that will stream your video in realtime to a remote server is essential for proper police interactions.
If you're pulled over, start recording immediately. When they get to your car, ask them if they have any objections to you creating a backup video recording of your interactions to protect both yourself and the officer. If they object, **** it, keep recording. The only reason they would object is if they're going to do something they shouldn't be doing. There's a few states where they legally can stop you, though. Check your local laws, but most states will allow you to record the event. Even if the officer says not to.

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Old 05-02-11, 07:28 AM   #2
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I am not defending some bad police officers conduct, in certain situations, but police are normal people, there are those who are good and less good, just like the rest of us, the difference is obvious as they should be clear in what the law says to the citizen, so no misunderstanding may arise
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What's so wrongful about it?
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What's so wrongful about it?
Well, it seems to me that 1:53 into the video, the cop and the driver were having a discussion about something when the passenger said something, and the cop retorted "you shut your mouth" which was a bit harsh, no?
Then the passenger asked "did you see it"?, with the cop arresting him.
For what?
Wrongful, in my eyes.
Don't know about you but i've met some egotistical arrogant cops but something like that isn't called for.
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Well, it seems to me that 1:53 into the video, the cop and the driver were having a discussion about something when the passenger said something, and the cop retorted "you shut your mouth" which was a bit harsh, no?
Then the passenger asked "did you see it"?, with the cop arresting him.
For what?
Wrongful, in my eyes.
Don't know about you but i've met some egotistical arrogant cops but something like that isn't called for.
Well the passenger back talked the cop. Being alone and facing a potential three on one situation the cop restrained him and called for backup. I don't see that rising to the level of wrongful arrest.
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Their first mistake was to say anything at all. There are only four things you should ever say to a cop:

1. I don't know why you pulled me over.
2. I do not give you consent to search my car.
3. I have nothing more to say.
4. (if they're knocking on your door) I'd like to see a search warrant.

Anything else and you're giving them stuff to use against you.
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Is it that police suspect the preparation, or see what "is" about to happen, so no need for paper from a judge or similar
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Old 05-02-11, 11:37 AM   #8
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Was he arrested? Looked like he was being detained.
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Well the passenger back talked the cop. Being alone and facing a potential three on one situation the cop restrained him and called for backup. I don't see that rising to the level of wrongful arrest.
I tend to agree going on what I have seen on that link.

The Officer obviously knew at least one of them and as such he gave the guy the opportunity to stop his rhetoric and the guy didn't, so seeing the potential for the scenario to start escalating he took control of the situation and certainly wasn't using excessive force.
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I tend to agree going on what I have seen on that link.

The Officer obviously knew at least one of them and as such he gave the guy the opportunity to stop his rhetoric and the guy didn't, so seeing the potential for the scenario to start escalating he took control of the situation and certainly wasn't using excessive force.
Yep. I think most people don't realize how quickly that kind of situation can turn violent.
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Yep. I think most people don't realize how quickly that kind of situation can turn violent.
Aye...you need to take control from the very outset and leave nobody in doubt your in control of the situation.

as soon as you get involved in an exchange of words things quickly go up a few notches and looking at the odds he more than likely carried out that early/init6ial assessment as he was approaching the vehicle.
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Looks to me as though he was detained not arrested and you are supposed to follow lawful instructions that a police officer gives you the kid talked back several times and was detained.

On top of that the kid is moving around all over the place in the car which looks suspicious and is dangerous to the cop:what is he possibly hiding/reaching for?

Also good rule of thumb is to simply show proper respect you dont know if you are dealing with a professional officer or a poor one.

I have seen some dash cam clips that my brother in law who is deputy has shown me where a simple verbal situation turned violent fire fight shockingly quickly.
I notice that there are some other equally baised clips about this same areas law enforcement on youtube. in this one they are being equally disrespectful and seem to trying to cause trouble:

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Their first mistake was to say anything at all. There are only four things you should ever say to a cop:

1. I don't know why you pulled me over.
2. I do not give you consent to search my car.
3. I have nothing more to say.
4. (if they're knocking on your door) I'd like to see a search warrant.

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There is much truth behind that statement!
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I dont think the guy was arrested.

its my opinion that he was restrained until the business of the traffic stop was concluded and then was released back into the wild from whence he came
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