Goodbye, democracy!!!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

All of you millionaires (or RICHER) who post here should be pleased about this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

[Castout]

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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Castout

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I can see it without registering.

[Dowly]

Yup, same here. No registration required.

[Skybird]

I'm preaching since years that there is not a single democracy in the West anymore. We have oligarchies, plutoracies and secretive lobbyist tyrannies, and mixture forms of all these. On paper only it still is a democracy. In reality, it all is a Mafia. It all is rotten and corrupt from skin to bone. Lies are the new gospel. Betrayal is the new virtue. Bypassing the electorate is the new sports of the self-declared neofeudal class.

Demoracy is as dead as "dead" can mean. It's just being used as a slogan in order to prevent the masses from open revolt.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I'm preaching since years that there is not a single democracy in the West anymore. We have oligarchies, plutoracies and secretive lobbyist tyrannies, and mixture forms of all these. On paper only it still is a democracy. In reality, it all is a Mafia. It all is rotten and corrupt from skin to bone. Lies are the new gospel. Betrayal is the new virtue. Bypassing the electorate is the new sports of the self-declared neofeudal class.

Demoracy is as dead as "dead" can mean. It's just being used as a slogan in order to prevent the masses from open revolt.

That sums up my view as well, with North America being run pretty much by corporate groups and certain lobbyist groups.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I'm preaching since years that there is not a single democracy in the West anymore. We have oligarchies, plutoracies and secretive lobbyist tyrannies, and mixture forms of all these. On paper only it still is a democracy. In reality, it all is a Mafia. It all is rotten and corrupt from skin to bone. Lies are the new gospel. Betrayal is the new virtue. Bypassing the electorate is the new sports of the self-declared neofeudal class.

Demoracy is as dead as "dead" can mean. It's just being used as a slogan in order to prevent the masses from open revolt.

Yeah one of the rare moments where I actually agree with Skybird also

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Yeah one of the rare moments where I actually agree with Skybird also

Hah. You're right, he nailed it there. But who knows...I might agree with him more than I realize. I skip most of his 5000 word walls of text though.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I'm preaching since years that there is not a single democracy in the West anymore. We have oligarchies, plutoracies and secretive lobbyist tyrannies, and mixture forms of all these. On paper only it still is a democracy. In reality, it all is a Mafia. It all is rotten and corrupt from skin to bone. Lies are the new gospel. Betrayal is the new virtue. Bypassing the electorate is the new sports of the self-declared neofeudal class.

Demoracy is as dead as "dead" can mean. It's just being used as a slogan in order to prevent the masses from open revolt.

America was never a Democracy anyway, we are a Constitutional Republic and as the SCOTUS goes by the Constitution, these groups are allowed to get involved and should be.MOST people are not dumb enough in todays world with all the info out there to let some commercials influence them, they can look things up and decide for themselves.

[antikristuseke]

Bubblehead, I am going to have to disagree with you there, but is is not because people are dumb, rather too lazy to look things up for themselves.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Bubblehead, I am going to have to disagree with you there, but is is not because people are dumb, rather too lazy to look things up for themselves.

Well some may be too lazy, but not most.Esp this cycle!

[antikristuseke]

Sadly I think you will be proven wrong. It wont be any different than any other election, politicians just shuffle places a bit but nothing will really change.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well some may be too lazy, but not most.Esp this cycle!

That motivation seems to be eroding, according to today's ABC News/Washington Post poll:

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/ab...ry?id=11798478

There's no way that I'm going to claim that Team R has packed up and gone home. However, I think that the evidence is going to begin to mount that the R's will pick up seats, but it won't be the slam dunk that talk radio and Fox News are heralding.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

America was never a Democracy anyway, we are a Constitutional Republic .

I pointed that out early in the thread and was told it was a old talking point.

I repsonded it was so old that it went back to 1787. One has to understand that this point flies in the face of liberal / progessive policy and by their pont of view, must be killed.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

America was never a Democracy anyway, we are a Constitutional Republic and as the SCOTUS goes by the Constitution, these groups are allowed to get involved and should be.MOST people are not dumb enough in todays world with all the info out there to let some commercials influence them, they can look things up and decide for themselves.

I already said that I take you guy's word for America not being democratic.

Okay, I hearby declare that the United States's historic national design as outlined by the conmstitution and amandements, is not democratic. At least it is not more democratic than for example the German Federal Republic.

Satisfied? Didn't I just say above that there are no democratic states left in the West?

Now tell me somebody - what is being gained by this kind of useless hairsplitting?

Of course the US by historic design was meant to be a democracy. A democratic republic. Ooops - sounds like German Democratic Republic. Representative, somebody, representing - by any chance the voting people, maybe? So we talk about a people's republic - like in People's Republic of China?

C'mon guys, let's waste your time on something more useful than this shadowboxing.