Gun safety, Gun thoughts and Gun Control and my shiny new CZ-75B!

[Freiwillige]

Having received my third firearm for Christmas, The First being a Polish surplus P-64 by Radom (Gone 2 weeks after I bought it thanks to my ex who decided to trade it to a dealer to support her habbit) My second a CZ-82 Czech Surplus (Gone 6 weeks after I bought it to a friend\roomate who was to hold on to it for $100 bucks so I could pay rent, When I got paid to get the gun back the next week as was per our deal, he had the gun no longer as he traded it for weed!) Man drug users are unreliable!

And now I got a CZ-75B for X-mas. I haven't been to the firing range in a bit and thought I would brush up on gun safety. Ive found four effective easy to remember rules.

1.A firearm is always loaded. (Treat it that way)
2.Never point the muzzle at anything you do not wish to destroy.
3.Never put your finger on the trigger until your ready to shoot.
4.Always be aware of your target and whats beyond it.

So now I will talk about the prolific pictures of idiots on the net who fail in most of those rules while posing for pictures. Common errors while looking gangsta for there myspace photo's are pointing gun at camera man\woman. Fingers on the trigger Etc.

One Photo has a guy pointing his new Glock at his GF and you can see the round loaded in the chamber through the barrel and his finger on the trigger! Now anybody who knows Glock knows that the only safety they have is built into the trigger. The only thing to stop that girl from meeting the God of her choice is less than 1" of trigger pull.

So now to the final point of this Topic. I believe in all Americans rights to own a Firearm for sport, protection or the basic exercising of their second amendment rights and from what I have seen gun control doesn't work worth a spit.

So what about having mandatory gun safety classes and a bit of training with each firearms purchase?

Buy a shotgun and have an expert spend an hour with you at the range familiarizing you with the weapon and making sure your competent with it and understand the fundamentals of safety as opposed to all these dumb laws that either take guns away or just give guns away. I mean you have to pass a driving test, why not a firearms responsibility test? Nothing too complex just some basic common sense and firearm familiarity instruction?

Just my thoughts.

[Boris]

Um, you guys don't have mandatory firearms training for your licence?... You do need a licence right?

[Freiwillige]

Each state has its own laws but for my State which is one of the most pro gun states (Being the Wild Wild West and all) all you need is an drivers license and your finger prints and they run an instant background check. 20 minutes and no criminal record and you can walk out with a shiny new pistol or rifle or shotgun.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I remember seeing on "The First 48" where this one guy was cleared of a murder as it was in self-defense, but was still charged w/a felony for possessing a handgun. So, if he obeyed the law, he might very well be dead.

That, my friends, is what we call BULL****.

(Yes, I know the story is anecdotal, you don't have to point it out, gun controllers)

Was there ever a post demonstrating a more irresponsible person who should never be allowed access to firearms.

Gone 2 weeks after I bought it thanks to my ex who decided to trade it to a dealer to support her habbit

Your gun went to a drugs dealer

Gone 6 weeks after I bought it to a friend\roomate who was to hold on to it for $100 bucks so I could pay rent, When I got paid to get the gun back the next week as was per our deal, he had the gun no longer as he traded it for weed

Your gun went to a drugs dealer

There you have it kids , next time you read about some junkie doing some armed crime think of their good buddy Freiwillige who likes to facilitate violent crime

Nothing too complex just some basic common sense

Basic common sense. ........
1.Don't date a junkie. If you are that desperate that you have to date a junkie then don't let them have your gun.....
2.If you really are that desperate for a small amount of cash then sell your gun to a registered arms dealer, don't give it to a junkie as collateral.
3.If you do have severe financial problems, like struggling with basics like keeping a roof over your head then don't waste money on a gun that you obviously didn't need.

[CptSimFreak]

They are called gunlocks. Use them. Also, change friends.

[d@rk51d3]

Just had my application for Cat A, B & C licenses approved.

Now just have to wait till March 13 for my training, and subsequent License.


http://www.sapolice.sa.gov.au/sapol/...f_firearms.jsp

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Boris

Um, you guys don't have mandatory firearms training for your licence?... You do need a licence right?

To carry a concealed weapon on your person, yes, you need a license and the training that goes with it.

To simply own one, or keep one in your home? No. Not where I live, anyway.

[Steel_Tomb]

I would be a bit worried about those guns that were lost. Like others have said, should those guns be used and the police track it you could be landed in a lot of trouble.

Personally, I would really like to join a shooting club and own a rifle. When I was in cadets I loved shooting and had quite a few marksmen rewards. There seem to be a LOT of regulations regarding firearm ownership in the UK. I'm not complaining, I think to own a firearm is a great responsibility... not just for yourself but for other people.

Perhaps in the future I could be proud owner of a shiny rifle .

Does anyone from the UK in here own a firearm? Do the licenses/club fees cost a lot?

[ajrimmer42]

any pics of your CZ???

Not quite the same I know, but I've just ordered a Tokyo Marui Glock 26 Advance GBB airsoft pistol, damn I can't wait!!! That's about as close as most of us Brits get.

[Freiwillige]

@ Tribsman and XabbaRus You both have quite valid points. I thought about leaving out those embarrassing facts but I'm too honest for my own good.

The X-wife was not a drug addict when I married her. 6 months into the relationship she decided that sitting at home was boring while I was hard at work so she took up using Meth with her old high school friends. I had put her through rehab and she was cured (LOL) but she still had some strange people showing up at our apt. even in the middle of the night so I bought a gun. One day I went out and she wanted to stay home and do laundry. She pleaded I leave my gun for her safety. I argued against it at first but she thought that one of her addict acquaintances would show up and do her harm so I finally relented. A half an hour later she was gone and so was my pistol. I cannot confirm what happened to it but since I didnt see her for a week and she came home all cracked out and without my firearm it seemed pretty obvious to me. I packed and left her and let her know that the Gun was reported stolen and last seen in her possession. 12 months and it was finally over.

The second situation I was actually going to go to a pawn store but my roommate was like Ill give you the money and since we work together you can pay me back next week. His official story was that he needed money for car insurance and sold it to his dad but again he was a pot head so my assumptions are probably dead on.

From now on my gun stays in my safe or if I have it out its to the range and back.

I have learned when it comes to firearms not to trust anybody.
Call it learning from past mistakes at least I learned.

[Freiwillige]

Originally Posted by ajrimmer42

any pics of your CZ???

Not quite the same I know, but I've just ordered a Tokyo Marui Glock 26 Advance GBB airsoft pistol, damn I can't wait!!! That's about as close as most of us Brits get.

Here ya go....
http://www.gunsnthings.com/Photos/CZ_folder/CZ75B.jpg

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

To carry a concealed weapon on your person, yes, you need a license and the training that goes with it.

To simply own one, or keep one in your home? No. Not where I live, anyway.

California is a tinsy bit more anal. Im not sure what the regulations are for a concealed weapons permit, but..

For all long guns, (basically anything that's not a handgun), you have a 10 day waiting (cooling off) period. I can walk in to my local sporting goods store, provide a valid california drivers license, a fingerprint, cope up a background check fee, and come back in 10 days to take possesion of the weapon. Which BTW, has to have the breach locked in the open position with a special lock for it to be leagally transportable.

for handguns, apply all of the above with the addition of proof of attendence to a handgun safety course.


As for general firearm safety, along with the aforemetioned 4 rules, there's two others i go by.

5.) Always shoot center of mass

6.) requalify on the operation of the weapon.

Once in a blue moon, i will take my home defense shotgun, remove/lock up all the live ammo, and go through the operation of the weapon with snap caps / dummy rounds. Loading, unloading, cycling the action, breach loading, etc. I do this mainly for the bennfit of my spouse whom ill probably end up proposing to in another 5 months. If anyone ever breaks into our apartment, i want to make sure that firearm is 2nd nature and familiar.

[Freiwillige]

@ Neil, It could very well have been the ammunition. I know that if your powder charge is too low it can have problems extracting. It could also have been you limp wristing although you have shot your gun with other rounds without Issue so i doubt it is your hold on the Firearm. Lastly it could just be in need of a proper cleaning. I know some guns are just downright hatefull of certain kinds or brands of ammunition. I know that the CZ-forum guys recommend staying far away from brass ammunition for extraction issues with the CZ-75b until broken in. My Christmas firearm comes out of my mothers extensive collection and has had 26 rounds through it. Two ten round clips the day she bought it and the six at the factory. So its like new! It can hold 16 rounds +1 chambered but it was bought in 2005 while Clinton's no Hi-cap law was in effect so 1/4th of my magazines are solid plastic limiting it to 10 rounds. I will be replacing those with the original 16 round magazines soon.

@ Dimicus, To help keep the firearm in memmory I clean and field strip it often. Having a gun makes you safe like having a guitar makes you a musician. Its a tool and you have to familiarize yourself with its every function. You have to learn how to utilize it effectively in any situation which you may come across with said tool. I was fortunate to grow up around a bunch of Marines who loved to go shooting. I have learned to field strip and fire many variety's of firearms and had the pleasure of seeing an M-2 50 caliber Mg in action. So having not owned many firearms I have a long history of firing a great many of them. From rifles to shotguns to handguns I've played with allot just never had the urge to own one until I was in my 30's.

Some of the Best on this list of Guns I have had the pleasure to acquaint myself with and would always recommend are the...

Sig 226 (Sidearm of the United States Navy Seals) Great in both .40 and 9mm (Will own one someday)
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/sig/p226-navy-large.jpg

Springfield Socom M1A. Again great rifle and I will own one one day.
http://www.keepshooting.com/producti...6-riflebig.jpg

Ak-47 semi automatic Romanian import

Smith and Wesson 500 magnum. A .50 caliber round handgun that knocked the .44 magnum of the list of most powerful handgun category. I can tell you this one hurts to shoot!
http://lundestudio.com/wallpaper/sw5...ft-full-hi.jpg.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

It could also have been you limp wristing although you have shot your gun with other rounds without Issue so i doubt it is your hold on the Firearm.

What is "limp wristing"?