Precious Black Hawk

Skybird · 03-25-08, 04:35 PM

I am currently watching the documentation "Making of Black Hawk Down", in 30-40 minutes heaps (it'S over 3 hours).

Like other "making of's" For Ridley Scott's major movies, the docu is as exciting like the actual movie itself. Usually I am not interested in such behind-the-scenes films, but with him it is different, because he is fascinating at work, and the projects are monumental, and his sense for visuals is second to no other director alive or dead.

In the docu he said that he did not know if he would get Black Hawks, because they could not be leased for nobody has them except the Pentagon. When he went to Marocco to start shooting, negotiations still were complicated and took much time, so he actually has 6 Hueys waiting in Germany to get painted black, as a reserve option. He had to change timetables because the Black Hawks arrived so late.

Four Black Hawks and Four Little Birds were cramped into just two transports!

Now I am wondering: is the Black Hawk in any way so secret or special that the US military does not sell it, or is it for sale but so expensive that it is unaffordable for private business? One would assume that a huge helicopter with such a reliable reputation like The Black Hawk would find customers in private business as well?

they had real Deltas and Rangers at the set who acutally were participating in the somalia mission, training and explaining to the actors. They said the scence and the set looked so drastically realistic that they felt stings in their heart and mind and intially withdrew to their inside a while because what Scott let loose at the audience reminded them so much of the reality they went through.

For "Blade Runner", "Gladiator", "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Black Hawk Down", such making of-documentations are available in the extended DVD sets with the according final or director'S cuts. I highly recommend them, even when they all last 3-4 hours usually, they are very well done and absolutely fascinating and lead you through all the production from writing the screenplay a ten thousand times over casting and shooting to post-production and audience reaction.. And Scott if an absolutely fascinatin director, very precise, economic, visual - and yet the calmest person on the set, always totally relaxed. Madness!

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Sailor Steve · 03-25-08, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Here in America it was released as The Duellists, and is one of my all-time favorites:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/

Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel in a duel that lasts 15 years! Uniforms and hairstyles change with the period of Napoleon being in and out of power, and the performances are superb, including the dueling styles. I agree; if you've never seen this very fun masterpiece, get it now!

Skybird · 03-25-08, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Here in America it was released as The Duellists, and is one of my all-time favorites:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/

Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel in a duel that lasts 15 years! Uniforms and hairstyles change with the period of Napoleon being in and out of power, and the performances are superb, including the dueling styles. I agree; if you've never seen this very fun masterpiece, get it now!

You are right about the title, I messed it up. "Die Duellisten" in German. You remember the ruin of the castle in the mist, at the end when they do their last duel?! Like illustrations for some romantic Jules Verne novel! Fantastic visual impressions.

mrbeast · 03-25-08, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!).

Here in America it was released as The Duellists, and is one of my all-time favorites:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/

Keith Carradine and Harvey Keitel in a duel that lasts 15 years! Uniforms and hairstyles change with the period of Napoleon being in and out of power, and the performances are superb, including the dueling styles. I agree; if you've never seen this very fun masterpiece, get it now!

Haven't seen that film for years!

But from what I can remember it was pretty good, think I'll give Amazon a scan and see if they have a copy in the UK.

Many of Scott's films resemble oil paintings and I think he likes to visualise his films as a painiting.

For example this painting formed part of the inspiration for Gladiator:

This isn't a very good image of the painting, its a brilliant, atmospheric piece.

RickC Sniper · 03-25-08, 06:05 PM

I love IMDB.COM because of the fun "trivia" insights.

From that site about "The Duelist"

During the scene where D'Hubert asks Adele to marry him, she starts to laugh. This laughter was not intentional. According to director Ridley Scott, she actually has a hard time keeping a straight face since one of the horses has a huge erection.

:p

Dowly · 03-25-08, 06:47 PM

I love Ridley Scott's movies. Really a great director. And yes, the BHD's Behind the Scenes was a great look too.

Skybird · 03-25-08, 06:49 PM

Okay, movies, fine, but -

any answer to my question on the Black Hawk's availability?

kiwi_2005 · 03-26-08, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

I love IMDB.COM because of the fun "trivia" insights.

:p

Yea i visit IMDB for reviews on movies but it can be misleading, like if 9 ppl vote a movie and give it an above average score then its displayed as 9/10 for example yet it could very well be a flop.

Takao · 03-26-08, 10:03 AM

Back when the movie was made, there were a only a handful of Blackhawks being operated by other nations. IIRC, you don't even need your thumbs to count them on your hands.

While the Blackhawk is a fine helicopter, it is expensive to own and fly. With many compbrable helicopters already on the market, there wasn't a need for a civilian Blackhawk. The Huey can do much the same job, costs a lot less, but usually requires more maintenance. Besides there are several Soviet models to choose from. Besides, in the civilian market, why would Sikorsky produce a competitor to their successful S-76 Spirit?

03-25-08, 04:35 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,611 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Precious Black Hawk I am currently watching the documentation "Making of Black Hawk Down", in 30-40 minutes heaps (it'S over 3 hours). Like other "making of's" For Ridley Scott's major movies, the docu is as exciting like the actual movie itself. Usually I am not interested in such behind-the-scenes films, but with him it is different, because he is fascinating at work, and the projects are monumental, and his sense for visuals is second to no other director alive or dead. In the docu he said that he did not know if he would get Black Hawks, because they could not be leased for nobody has them except the Pentagon. When he went to Marocco to start shooting, negotiations still were complicated and took much time, so he actually has 6 Hueys waiting in Germany to get painted black, as a reserve option. He had to change timetables because the Black Hawks arrived so late. Four Black Hawks and Four Little Birds were cramped into just two transports! Now I am wondering: is the Black Hawk in any way so secret or special that the US military does not sell it, or is it for sale but so expensive that it is unaffordable for private business? One would assume that a huge helicopter with such a reliable reputation like The Black Hawk would find customers in private business as well? they had real Deltas and Rangers at the set who acutally were participating in the somalia mission, training and explaining to the actors. They said the scence and the set looked so drastically realistic that they felt stings in their heart and mind and intially withdrew to their inside a while because what Scott let loose at the audience reminded them so much of the reality they went through. For "Blade Runner", "Gladiator", "Kingdom of Heaven" and "Black Hawk Down", such making of-documentations are available in the extended DVD sets with the according final or director'S cuts. I highly recommend them, even when they all last 3-4 hours usually, they are very well done and absolutely fascinating and lead you through all the production from writing the screenplay a ten thousand times over casting and shooting to post-production and audience reaction.. And Scott if an absolutely fascinatin director, very precise, economic, visual - and yet the calmest person on the set, always totally relaxed. Madness! And since this film often gets overseen and many even do not know it: his first movie ever, "Duel", already was a visual masterpiece with scenes like from romatic oil paintings. It plays during the Napoleonic wars and is based on a short novel by, I think, Joseph Conrad, like is Coppola's "Apocalypse Now". If you like Scott movies, the typical visual ones, and do not know his debut film, go and get it! It is amazing what he already did there, before he got access to the monster budgets he can use since later produced Alien (Alien is not his first movie!). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	I love IMDB.COM because of the fun "trivia" insights. From that site about "The Duelist" During the scene where D'Hubert asks Adele to marry him, she starts to laugh. This laughter was not intentional. According to director Ridley Scott, she actually has a hard time keeping a straight face since one of the horses has a huge erection. :p __________________ Support Subsim http://www.subsim.com/store.html

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,611 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Okay, movies, fine, but - any answer to my question on the Black Hawk's availability? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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03-25-08, 06:47 PM	#6
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I love Ridley Scott's movies. Really a great director. And yes, the BHD's Behind the Scenes was a great look too.

03-26-08, 10:03 AM	#9
Takao Officer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 244 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Back when the movie was made, there were a only a handful of Blackhawks being operated by other nations. IIRC, you don't even need your thumbs to count them on your hands. While the Blackhawk is a fine helicopter, it is expensive to own and fly. With many compbrable helicopters already on the market, there wasn't a need for a civilian Blackhawk. The Huey can do much the same job, costs a lot less, but usually requires more maintenance. Besides there are several Soviet models to choose from. Besides, in the civilian market, why would Sikorsky produce a competitor to their successful S-76 Spirit?