Interesting reading - Friedman

MarkShot · 11-29-07, 03:12 PM

I just got Friedman's two comprehensive books on the history of US subs pre/post-1945. (Yes, I ordered them through Subsim's Amazon Affiliate Program.)

I am finding the book really fascinating and particular worthwhile to see architecture of subs explained, but in an evolutionary fashion. I just got finished reading how hydroplanes solved the challenging problem of adjusting bouyancy.

I saw from reviews that some find these two books to technical. I guess the best way I can sum it up if you were the type of kid who loved to tear apart broken appliances and machines to see how they worked, then these books are for you. (Sad that for young people these days tearing apart stuff leads to nothing, but meaningless chips and circuit boards. That would have taken all the fun out of my youth!)

Well, if you don't have $90 USD to spend on these two books for your library, I recommend as a free resource:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/index.htm

Full and detailed manuals of 40/50s era subs and their systems.

Happy reading!

Go to this page and search for "Great Books" and then scroll down a bit. (Don't know why, but they are not listed on Subsim's books page.)

http://www.subsim.com/store.html

Bill Nichols · 11-29-07, 03:23 PM

And, I was in the bookstore earlier this week and saw that Polmar's excellent book on Cold War subs is now in paperback:

Cold War Submarines: The Design and Construction of U.S. and Soviet Submarines, 1945-2001 by Norman Polmar

Dr.Sid · 11-29-07, 03:28 PM

Tarzan wants !

Gee only way for me to get these things is to buy them on the other side of the globe for absurd money, wait month or two till they come to me, just to find that the book is not what I thought it will be. Only good thing is dollar goes down ! :rotfl:

MarkShot · 11-29-07, 03:40 PM

Well, check out the free link I posted. The material is very, very detailed - USN tech manuals and free and online. You could build your own kilo in your backyard with the level of detail included!

I you want it for interesting reading, I have the patrol reports in ASCII TXT from the Wahoo and the Tang. PM me an email address and I will mail them to you.

Lane · 12-04-07, 07:47 PM

Just saw this book and checked it out. at Local Library. And just started to read it.
"Kilo Class by Patrick Robison."
Hope it may get me more instrested in DW. I just Reinstalled it.

Installed SH3 Again. and waiting for new GWX. to be released this month.

Lane

Dr.Sid · 12-05-07, 07:33 AM

What do you mean ? Windows can boot without DW installed ? Haven't try a long long time

Bill Nichols · 12-05-07, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lane

Just saw this book and checked it out. at Local Library. And just started to read it.
"Kilo Class by Patrick Robison."
Hope it may get me more instrested in DW. I just Reinstalled it.

Installed SH3 Again. and waiting for new GWX. to be released this month.

Lane

Lane - Check my site, I have a few scenarios based on Robinson's Kilo Class you might enjoy.

Lane · 12-05-07, 06:25 PM

Thank's Bill,

Will check them out.
Bill, I suspect you known this but you have some Broken links to upgrade
Patches for DW and SC.

I just installed both DW and SC found upgrade
Patches at File Front. SCXIIC upgrade works fine.
Bill, thanks you have a nice web site.
Lane

Lane · 12-05-07, 11:59 PM

Bill,

Just did a quick scan of your DW missions on your web page.
Which missions were Ref "Kilo Class" by Patrick Robinson ??

Thank's
Lane

Bill Nichols · 12-06-07, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lane

Bill,

Just did a quick scan of your DW missions on your web page.
Which missions were Ref "Kilo Class" by Patrick Robinson ??

Thank's
Lane

My error, Lane (getting old and the gray cells are tired)

. I was thinking of my Sub Command "Kilo Class Trilogy", in which the Kilo is a target.

Kilo Class Trilogy

If you are ambitious, you might like to import these into DW, make the Kilo playable, and see if the scenarios are still interesting.

11-29-07, 03:12 PM	#1
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Interesting reading - Friedman I just got Friedman's two comprehensive books on the history of US subs pre/post-1945. (Yes, I ordered them through Subsim's Amazon Affiliate Program.) I am finding the book really fascinating and particular worthwhile to see architecture of subs explained, but in an evolutionary fashion. I just got finished reading how hydroplanes solved the challenging problem of adjusting bouyancy. I saw from reviews that some find these two books to technical. I guess the best way I can sum it up if you were the type of kid who loved to tear apart broken appliances and machines to see how they worked, then these books are for you. (Sad that for young people these days tearing apart stuff leads to nothing, but meaningless chips and circuit boards. That would have taken all the fun out of my youth!) Well, if you don't have $90 USD to spend on these two books for your library, I recommend as a free resource: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/index.htm Full and detailed manuals of 40/50s era subs and their systems. Happy reading! Go to this page and search for "Great Books" and then scroll down a bit. (Don't know why, but they are not listed on Subsim's books page.) http://www.subsim.com/store.html __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

11-29-07, 03:23 PM	#2
Bill Nichols Master of Defense Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,502 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	And, I was in the bookstore earlier this week and saw that Polmar's excellent book on Cold War subs is now in paperback: Cold War Submarines: The Design and Construction of U.S. and Soviet Submarines, 1945-2001 by Norman Polmar __________________ My Dangerous Waters website:

11-29-07, 03:40 PM	#4
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Well, check out the free link I posted. The material is very, very detailed - USN tech manuals and free and online. You could build your own kilo in your backyard with the level of detail included! I you want it for interesting reading, I have the patrol reports in ASCII TXT from the Wahoo and the Tang. PM me an email address and I will mail them to you. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

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11-29-07, 03:28 PM	#3
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Tarzan wants ! Gee only way for me to get these things is to buy them on the other side of the globe for absurd money, wait month or two till they come to me, just to find that the book is not what I thought it will be. Only good thing is dollar goes down ! :rotfl:

12-04-07, 07:47 PM	#5
Lane Subsim Diehard Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southwest , Indiana USA Posts: 380 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Just saw this book and checked it out. at Local Library. And just started to read it. "Kilo Class by Patrick Robison." Hope it may get me more instrested in DW. I just Reinstalled it. Installed SH3 Again. and waiting for new GWX. to be released this month. Lane

12-05-07, 07:33 AM	#6
Dr.Sid The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	What do you mean ? Windows can boot without DW installed ? Haven't try a long long time

12-05-07, 06:25 PM	#8
Lane Subsim Diehard Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southwest , Indiana USA Posts: 380 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Thank's Bill, Will check them out. Bill, I suspect you known this but you have some Broken links to upgrade Patches for DW and SC. I just installed both DW and SC found upgrade Patches at File Front. SCXIIC upgrade works fine. Bill, thanks you have a nice web site. Lane

12-05-07, 11:59 PM	#9
Lane Subsim Diehard Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Southwest , Indiana USA Posts: 380 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Bill, Just did a quick scan of your DW missions on your web page. Which missions were Ref "Kilo Class" by Patrick Robinson ?? Thank's Lane