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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace
Kamala Harris won Washington, Oregon, California, Illinois, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, Delaware, New Jersey, Hawaii and all the New England States. Donald Trump won all the rest including the 7 battleground States like Ohio and Pennsylvania where Harris Campaigned extensively.
Donald Trump won 312 Electoral College Votes To 226 for Kamala Harris. 270 Electoral Votes were needed to win. That sounds pretty decisive to me. In fact, it sounds like a rout. Harris won 74,749,891 votes (48.3%) of the Popular vote to 77,168,458 votes (49.9%) For Donald Trump.
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA...S/zjpqnemxwvx/
Stop crying about it and get over it, Vienna. Mama Kamala was soundly beaten and that's it. Numbers don't lie.
This map looks pretty convincing too, by precincts. The red areas are for Trump.
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So, I see you haven't really been able to prove your "vast majority" line of bull using the popular vote tallies, so you've switched to trying to justify your claims using the Electoral College vote, instead; let's look at that, then...
First of all, unlike the direct popular vote, which is basically objective (one voter, one vote), the Electoral College is highly subjective and prone to being gamed and manipulated; the popular vote is the purest of the two and is a far more accurate barometer of the public will than the Electoral College; remember, the Electoral College was initially set up to appease the Slave States (SS); the SS had a number of issues with the way they were being seen; when the Continental Congress (CC) first established the means of counting citizens for the purpose of allocating House seats, slaves were not included in the population counts seeing as the SS openly regarded the slaves as property and not people; however, when it became obvious that the SS were not going to have as many seats in the House as they wanted, they demanded the slaves be included in the head count for for seats; the CC balked at this and, after much debate, a compromise was made where a slave was to be considered 3/5 ths of person for the purposes of population counts towards House seats and Electoral College votes; the result was to give the SS more influence than they would have gotten if the population count was solely based on the count of citizens in those states who had full citizen's rights; the SS wanted their slaves to be seen as property but they also wanted to reap a benefit, politically, by wanting those 'non-citizens', with no rights under the law, to be counted as if they were, even fractionally, 'real citizens'; the Electoral College, since it is based on the same criteria that determined House seats, is just an offshoot of the 3/5 ths Compromise; the Electoral College and its reason for existence really should have been ended when slavery was abolished, but, yet, it remains as a sad, pathetic relic of past days and deals..
Secondly, the way EC votes are allocated can vary from state to state and are not, in any way, homogenous; each state determines the way they will cast their EC votes based on their own criteria, thus it is not really objective overall and is more subjective than the popular vote system...
Thirdly, the EC system can be gamed and manipulated far, far more than the popular vote; we saw just how badly the process can be corrupted in 2020 when slates of fake Electors were attempted to be entered and when machinations by the incumbent President to tamper with some states' Electoral process was revealed; it is far, far easier to "fudge" the EC than the popular vote; in fact, with the EC, it is very possible for a Presidential candidate to win the direct popular vote, often by a goodly margin, and yet, be denied office because of the vagaries of the EC, and there is historical fact to prove this...
Now, to your claim of Trump getting 312 EC votes as being proof of some sort of voter acclaim; in 2016, Hillary Clinton defeated Trump in the popular vote but her victory was overturned, not by the voters directly, but by the EC's structure; the GOP gamed the election, not really to get the approval of the voters for their candidate, but to ensure they'd get enough EC votes to 'win'; Trump got 304 EC votes and declared he had won by a landslide; four years later, Biden got 306 EC votes (and over 7 million more votes than Trump), so I guess Biden won by an even bigger landslide than Trump in 2016; in 2024, Trump got 312 EC votes: now, you're probably saying something like 'it proves Trump was a really big winner' but not so fast; the EC is such a twisted mess of subjective influences, it has no real connection to or correlation with the will of the voters as expressed in the "one voter, one vote' objectivity of the popular vote; my favorite instance of just how wildly the EC can be versus the popular vote is the Nixon V. McGovern election of 1972; Nixon won the popular vote garnering a solid 60.7% of the votes cast; however, when the EC votes were tallied, Nixon got 96.8% (520 votes) of the EC votes, a figure way out of step with the popular vote; in 1980, Reagan got 50.4% of the popular vote, but got 90.1% (489 votes) of the EC votes; in 1984, Reagan got 58.8% of the popular, but got 97.6% (525 votes) of the EC; the numbers in the EC just don't have the ability to accurately reflect the wishes and/or mood of the US voters; the EC is an archaic, arcane leftover from slave days' attempts to appease the slavers...
So, you think 312 is something to write home about? try Reagan's 525 and 520, or Nixon's 520, for that matter; there is no landslide for Trump in 2016, 2020, or 2024, and there certainly no "vast majority", at all...
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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace
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Stop crying about it and get over it, Vienna. Mama Kamala was soundly beaten and that's it. Numbers don't lie.
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Yes, numbers don't lie and I have the numbers to prove your claim of a "vast majority" are just so much BS and have no basis in objective facts; you tried to pretty up the Trump Pig, but no amount of lipstick is gonna make that oinker any more pleasing to the majority of the voters who
didn't vote for him...
..and as far as crying is concerned, I shed no tears over this; I'm just enjoying watching Donald Dumb and his merry band of minions Keystone Kop their way through the last term of someone who will fulfill his destiny with yet another failure; unfortunately, they are going to do a lot of damage in the process, but the US is a strong country and I'm sure we'll get through the next four yeas of Oval Office idiocy and emerge with a better sense of how to avoid something like this happening again...
Remember, politics in the US is like a pendulum and however far you pull a pendulum in one direction, it will swing back just as far in the other direction; it would seem the MAGA minions are gonna be in for a rude awakening once The Giant Lemon has served his term...
Ahh, the tears of the MAGA will be delicious...
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