NYGM Tonnage War v2.0 - U-boat Visual Update

[Der Teddy Bar]

Guys,
Thanks for the feedback and we are looking very hard into how to best balance out the more realistic improvements to the enemy visual abilities.

NYGM have not yet modded the u-boat visual.

I will state that in my current in game testing of the U-boat visuals, that my u-boat spots escorts no differently than previously. During the day I am spotting escorts at ranges from over the horizon to about 7000, possibly a fraction lower.

BUT... I am incurring more instances where the escort has spotted me before my crew have spotted him. This should not be the case.

This is my interpretation of what is happening before.
Previously an escort was essentially blind at distances over 3000 metres when travelling along. Because of this, an escort could come into your zone of detection; he could sail around up and down closer and further just as long as he stayed far enough away nothing would happen.

The escort could have, and most likely did, spend a lot of time within your detection zone before detection. That is, even though you detected the escort when he was on the horizon, the escort had been in out detection zone for 10 minutes.

This is my interpretation of what is happening now.
On a perfect day the escort can now see your u-boat bow on at approx 3000+ and side on at approx 8000+. This is a calm day, 0mps, no clouds, sunny....

Where as previously the escort would sail up and down in and out without detecting you, up until you detected him, he is now detecting you because he can see further.

As like the Crash Dive Blues, NYGM's modifications have exposed a standard SHIII behaviour that was either not an issue as it had been managed.

Having spent that last 4 days going over the U-boat visual sensor, I have come to the conclusion that the u-boat AI has no day/night differences and for all intensive purposed, the U-boat visual options in the sensors,cfg are operationally impaired.

I am releasing an interim patch to re-establish the balance between the u-boat and the enemy detection abilities. This patch simply reduces the required surface area required to detect an enemy ship.

This update changes the detection by your u-boat crew of an escort coming at you bow on from 8700 metres up to over 13,000 metres.

The update is here http://www.filefactory.com/?1ed0b0

The main menu will now read NYGM Tonnage War v2.01

Again, thankyou for your feedback and your support :up:

[THE_MASK]

Legend , thanks .

[Fangschuss]

Thanks DL now :up:

[Rose]

I'm sure the installation has worked (using JSGME) because it notified me that it would overwrite some files, but in the SH3 menu it doesnt say 2.01... In fact it doesn't say anything to mention NYGM (it didn't before the update anyway)...

[Gizzmoe]

I'm sure the installation has worked (using JSGME) because it notified me that it would overwrite some files, but in the SH3 menu it doesnt say 2.01... In fact it doesn't say anything to mention NYGM (it didn't before the update anyway)...

Do you see the NYGM startup screen?

[Der Teddy Bar]

As per Gizzmoe's question... do you get this screen when starting?

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/4180/nygmtw20intro8qp.th.jpg (http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nygmtw20intro8qp.jpg)

[Myxale]

Thanx Teddy for bein' this quick! I know that you guys must consider alot of factors when changing one of your files. So thanx for this quick-fix!:up:

[Rosencrantz]

Thanks a lot!

[Rose]

As per Gizzmoe's question... do you get this screen when starting?

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/4180/nygmtw20intro8qp.th.jpg (http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nygmtw20intro8qp.jpg)

Yes I do. I always have.

[baxter]

Thanks for the fix, Teddy.

[Der Teddy Bar]

Rose,
At the Main Menu screen along the bottom left hand side will be some text that should say NYGM Tonnage War v2.01 after the NYGM Tonnage War v2.0 - U-boat Visual Update has been installed correctly.

[Rose]

You talking about the text that scrolls along at the bottom? When I use SH3Cmdr, all it says is "Loaded using SH3 Commander -- Good hunting." But no NYGM 2.01.

[Der Teddy Bar]

You talking about the text that scrolls along at the bottom? When I use SH3Cmdr, all it says is "Loaded using SH3 Commander -- Good hunting." But no NYGM 2.01. Might have to see if we can get a NYGM Version added on...

[Taurolas]

guys can anybody point me in the right direction for downloading NYGM_TW_2.0_U-Boat_Visual_Sensor_Update_to_2.01.7z it seems that filefactory,fileplanet and or rapidshare hate me (DTB.. any change of putting it on your site?)i look forward to testing it out.

[Gizzmoe]

guys can anybody point me in the right direction for downloading NYGM_TW_2.0_U-Boat_Visual_Sensor_Update_to_2.01.7z it seems that filefactory,fileplanet and or rapidshare hate me (DTB.. any change of putting it on your site?)i look forward to testing it out.

I´ve uploaded it to my webspace:
http://home.arcor.de/gizzmoe/files/NYGM_TW_2.0_U-Boat_Visual_Sensor_Update_to_2.01.7z

[Taurolas]

@ Gizzmoe Cheers Captain! :)

[r_wagner]

Thanks for your great work Teddy Bar!

It still seems a bit random when my crew spots ships but at least they're not getting up close and personal at 1500m! Now for happy hunting off the US east coast...

[Rose]

You talking about the text that scrolls along at the bottom? When I use SH3Cmdr, all it says is "Loaded using SH3 Commander -- Good hunting." But no NYGM 2.01. Might have to see if we can get a NYGM Version added on...


So if I use Commander the NYGM Version 2.01 text won't show up?

[Salvadoreno]

Hey Teddy. Im still not even receiving a Aircraft Spotted, all i hear is the explosion and propeller, but the watch crew just ignores it. grrrrr. Might just have to do a fresh install.

[Der Teddy Bar]

Hey Teddy. Im still not even receiving a Aircraft Spotted, all i hear is the explosion and propeller, but the watch crew just ignores it. grrrrr. Might just have to do a fresh install.
I will test this today.

[HEMISENT]

I´ve uploaded it to my webspace:
http://home.arcor.de/gizzmoe/files/NYGM_TW_2.0_U-Boat_Visual_Sensor_Update_to_2.01.7z

Thanks Gizzmoe, File Factory is a nightmare.

[Taurolas]

i'm currently running NYGM 2 and have had no problems with the crew spotting Aircraft be it day or night, they also always spot the airplane well outside flak gun
engagement range (not sure what max range is on the 37mm) but if i have the crews on deck and say fire at will i always get an officer reporting aircraft out of range, which is great as it means the sneaky planes havent got close enough to blow me up before i even spot em :D

Note. i'm currently only using the NYGM 2 mod and a few of those that DTB packaged with the download.

[Myxale]

Well i have more trouble than before. Playin' the W@W Air Attack Mission, and i gotta say my crew sucks! The plane was above us and dropped the first bomb, but they didn't see a bloody thing!:shifty:
It was on the second run of the plane that my WOI shouted ; Flugzeug gesichtet!:damn:
Bloody sod!

[Taurolas]

hehehehe... by the time the plane is in range i'm either crash diving or the flak gunners have shot the pesky plane down... damn fine shots :up:

[messenger42]

How do you install this updates? is it a mod or an updates? if it is an updates would someone show me how to install this. I see a data folder with 2 subfolder Library and menu?

Thanks

[Myxale]

Just paste the new folder over old one and select yes if asked to overwrite!:hmm:

[Der Teddy Bar]

I am testing in game and so far, with limited occurances as I am inducing them, it seems to be OK...

I will continue to look into this.

Anyone else have a lot of good/bad experiences?

[Myxale]

Teddy here's another thing;

Played a Career mid 44' VIIC/41 Was heavy sea and storm; actually everything was heavy! The bad weather in person.
Suddenly the game drops out of TC.
And the IWO shouts his line about bein' attacked!
I go to the bridge and all i see is nothing. Few minutes later i hear; mixed under the thunder, wind and sea chaos the sound of a plane. And moments later there are bullets rainin' in the water beside us!:hmm:
Somethimes my Watch-crew just surprises me!:doh:

[Taurolas]

So far my crews are performing perfectly.. unfortunately the DDs seem to have super human crews :o and yes i know they are better but hey these find me 100% of the time.

i've sat at 100m 0 speed and gently sinking (thanks to the anti humming bird effect) 3 destroyers merrily dropping DCs all over the place some 4k+ away and even though i'm completely silent and they are dropping DC's all over the place they pick me up! how with all that noise.. distance and me being super quiet do they find my ass?

if anybody says passive i'm gonna :damn: ya...

Just my luck being super good with the watch crews and spotting stuff... looks like the boot is on the other foot now...

[Der Teddy Bar]

So far my crews are performing perfectly.. unfortunately the DDs seem to have super human crews :o and yes i know they are better but hey these find me 100% of the time.

i've sat at 100m 0 speed and gently sinking (thanks to the anti humming bird effect) 3 destroyers merrily dropping DCs all over the place some 4k+ away and even though i'm completely silent and they are dropping DC's all over the place they pick me up! how with all that noise.. distance and me being super quiet do they find my ass?

if anybody says passive i'm gonna :damn: ya...

Just my luck being super good with the watch crews and spotting stuff... looks like the boot is on the other foot now... SHIII does not model, or model well, the disturbance created by depth charges :damn:

U-boats and submarines never by purpose laid on the sea bottom as while you are within the search area you have a chance to be detected.

Have you installed the NYGM U-Boat Visual update?
http://www.subsim.com/~subsim_mods/downloads_tonnagemod.php (http://www.subsim.com/%7Esubsim_mods/downloads_tonnagemod.php)

I have never been closed to being surprised by an escort since.

[Grey Legion]

You talking about the text that scrolls along at the bottom? When I use SH3Cmdr, all it says is "Loaded using SH3 Commander -- Good hunting." But no NYGM 2.01. Might have to see if we can get a NYGM Version added on...

So if I use Commander the NYGM Version 2.01 text won't show up?

I think that is the case, I installed NYGM version 2.0 and saw the text when I test loaded the game, then I installed SH3Cmdr and the NYGM text was replaced by SH3Cmdr text.

I am sure a addon text will be created shortly to give both mods the credit they deserve. :up:

[Taurolas]

@ DTB....

yeah i'm no longer suprised either.... just that now i have to blow the suckers up first :up:

oh and DTB.. yes i've installed the update.. now says 2.01 iirc.