Kilo Improved SS. [Rookie Captain question]

[kiwi_2005]

Im running a mission made from the editor in DW. Real simple. My Kilo Improved SS up aganist a SSBN US Sub placed about 50miles away from me. All autocrew off. Im in shadow waters and ive got the SSBN running inside a box.

With the autocrew off do i still have to search for targets - watch the radar, or will the computer tell me about a sonar contact then leave it up to me to do everything else. Its taking along time to find that SSBN sub! lol.

Ive been playing to much SH3 i think cause im sitting in front of the sonar listening for contacts. :arrgh!:

[kiwi_2005]

I installed the 1.03 beta 1 patch, does this make detection harder?

[Deathblow]

Hi kiwi,

If you have autocrew off then yes, all your detections will be made by you, and the computer will not inform you of any contacts that are on the sensors.... you'll have to be deligent and watch the sonar itself.

I don't think the 1.03 patch made it "harder" for detection, but it does make thermal layers more of a sound barrier...

The Kilo's sonar has limited range and sensitivity and will probably only detect the SSBN at around 10 nm at best, less if the sub is trying to be quiet.

Hope that helps

EDIT: 10nm I mean, not 10km

[kiwi_2005]

Thanks Deathblow!

Yes that helped alot. I might have to re-edit the mission and make the SSBN closer, its just for my training.

:up:

[LuftWolf]

The patch greatly lengthens detections is some cases and greatly reduces them in others.

This is because the 1.03 patch is a complete overhaul of the sound propagation model. It now functions very realistically and has wide set of environmental parameters that influence detection ranges.

[Molon Labe]

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure. :-?

[sonar732]

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure. :-?

Two questions need to be answered for this one obviously...;)

1. Your platform
2. SSP

[Molon Labe]

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure. :-?

Two questions need to be answered for this one obviously...;)

1. Your platform
2. SSP

At very low speeds, will those two actually affect this answer? And if yes, why don't US subs carry ASROCs anymore?

[TLAM Strike]

And if yes, why don't US subs carry ASROCs anymore? Politics. After the Cold War Congress didn't think a deep water weapon like the SUBROC and Sea Lance was cost effective.

[Deathblow]

:arrgh!: Yarr!!! This thread dun be hijacked! Yarr!!! :arrgh!:

:arrgh!: Hand over your booty and none of ya's get hert!! :arrgh!:

[Molon Labe]

:arrgh!: Yarr!!! This thread dun be hijacked! Yarr!!! :arrgh!:

:arrgh!: Hand over your booty and none of ya's get hert!! :arrgh!:

Sorry. :oops: Here's my booty, go ahead and grab it, but be gentle.

[Bellman]

:lol: ML:Sorry. Here's my booty, go ahead and grab it, but be gentle.

But your advice on dealing with C in C House, which of course,Bill and I took to heart was:
Don't resign yourself to submission! (unless that's your thing of course)

:ping: :rotfl: :-j

[Oberon]

Did I hear booty?
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/15500/15739_w.JPG

:huh:

[SKeeM]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/chazws/10sdf.jpg

[Molon Labe]

:lol: ML:Sorry. Here's my booty, go ahead and grab it, but be gentle.

But your advice on dealing with C in C House, which of course,Bill and I took to heart was:
Don't resign yourself to submission! (unless that's your thing of course)

:ping: :rotfl: :-j

I guess fault changes the calculus a bit. This case is easily distinguishable from Bill's, since he had no culpable conduct.

[LuftWolf]

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure. :-?

Molon, that's why they call Convergence Zones "Convergence Zones"....

[Bellman]

:lol: ML: What matters with C in Cs Home is not de facto but de jure culpability. :rotfl:

SKeem: Did I see booty ? :yep: ;)

[Bellman]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

LW: SKeems got the "Convergence Zones' just about right .................................................. .for me. :lol: :rock: :up:

[LuftWolf]

"Mr. Vasilley, confirm our range to moderators. One ping only."

[Bellman]

:o :huh: :stare: :roll: :lol:

[Molon Labe]

If you consider detections of an Akula crawling around slowly at a range of over 30nm realistic, then sure. :-?

Molon, that's why they call Convergence Zones "Convergence Zones"....

There needs to be a signal at that range to converge. I don't think the Ruskies have been loud enough for that ever since they stole our quieting technology. Ships, older subs, maybe even modern subs putting on the steam--sure. Anyways, if there is an expert counter to this, post it over in the "layers" thread, let's give this one back.

[Molon Labe]

:lol: ML: What matters with C in Cs Home is not de facto but de jure culpability. :rotfl:

SKeem: Did I see booty ? :yep: ;)

Oh really? What law?

[Kiwi Zero Six]

Good golly, Miss Molly.

[kiwi_2005]

The patch greatly lengthens detections is some cases and greatly reduces them in others.

This is because the 1.03 patch is a complete overhaul of the sound propagation model. It now functions very realistically and has wide set of environmental parameters that influence detection ranges.

For a rookie russkie kilo pirate :) should i have this patch or would it be better for me to go back to the standard game. Ive just started playing with autocrew off since i updated to 1.03, so i wouldn't know if it would of been easier without the patch.

nice photo Skeem :rotfl:

[Deathblow]

"Mr. Vasilley, confirm our range to moderators. One ping only."

:lol:

For a rookie russkie kilo pirate should i have this patch or would it be better for me to go back to the standard game. Ive just started playing with autocrew off since i updated to 1.03, so i wouldn't know if it would of been easier without the patch

Might as well practice with the patch. Doesn't really change the basic gameplay all that much, just fixes some bugs and reintroduces others (like diving rates).

Ohio subs are pretty quiet. You might want to practice against something louder like the Xia.

[LuftWolf]

nice photo Skeem

Not if you happen to view the thread at work. :stare: :damn:

[kiwi_2005]

Ohio subs are pretty quiet. You might want to practice against something louder like the Xia.[quote]

Ahh is that why i couldn't keep a track on him... sneakie bastard.

excuses, excuses :arrgh!: [/quote]

[kiwi_2005]

Not if you happen to view the thread at work

Ah yeah viewing pictures of half naked woman at work is not a good idea :D

Especially if the boss is female and shes standing behind you. :huh:

[Bellman]

I agree with goldorak when he wrote elsewhere : You people are just too serious :-j

This thread with its juxtoposition of earnestness and sheer frivolity is just very, very funny. :rotfl:

Yep - a minor classic. Thanks to all who sailed in her - whooops sorry, not PC. :-j

[Bellman]

ML:Oh really? What law?

The Law of Survival ? :lol:
But I was joking (?) on such a serious topic as the ancient 'Battle of the sexes' and hoped
that you would appreciate, that 'de jure' was the female perspective, whilst recognising
that implicit in the phrase ''C in C House'' was the male 'de facto' acceptance of reality. :rotfl:

[Kapitan]

KIWI

the ohio isnt that quite but quiet enough for you to miss him at slow speeds, the Xia is very loud and you will have no problems tracking him or shouldnt just be careful he doesnt have a towed array and his sensors arnt that good nor torpedos.

[Molon Labe]

ML:Oh really? What law?

The Law of Survival ? :lol:
But I was joking (?) on such a serious topic as the ancient 'Battle of the sexes' and hoped
that you would appreciate, that 'de jure' was the female perspective, whilst recognising
that implicit in the phrase ''C in C House'' was the male 'de facto' acceptance of reality. :rotfl:

CinC House could ONLY be a de facto position of authority today, and such a regime could not exist without voluntary subordination. The acceptance is not the de facto regime, it creates it.

[Bellman]

I think we agree -'Acceptance' may be an inclination or a predisposition and may create the conditions for a regime.

Thanks for 'ruling' (sic), if I might approach the bench - I suppose you mean, the acceptance implicit in the attitude
of 'voluntary subordination ' in your jest above ? -

ML:Sorry. Here's my booty, go ahead and grab it, but be gentle.:rotfl: :rotfl:

[LuftWolf]

Some eyecandy for you guys from a Multiplayer Game.

I'm in the Kilo looking through the perscope, and that's my friend and OPFOR Furia in the Oliver Hazard Perry FFG, trying to hunt me down.

Enjoy! :cool:

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6082/furiasffg6vg.jpg

The AAR for this dive should be posted shortly, I believe Furia is compiling it. :rock: :arrgh!:

[Kapitan]

DRIBBLING :yep:

[LuftWolf]

And here is the AAR for the dive by Furia. :up: :rock: :arrgh!:

http://www.orionwarrior.com/forum/showthread.php?t=657

Enjoy. :cool:

Cheers,
David