Warships Antiaircraft-Guns-Upgrade Mod Download

[Commander1980]

In SH3, some ships do not get their AA-armament upgraded during the war. In fact, due to the increasing threat from aircraft, all navies upgraded the AA-weapons. I have done some modifications to the ships files, to get them closer to their historical armament. At first i upgraded the german ships, with the yet unused 20mm Quadruple. I am on testing that, to get them balanced. Available for download this evening. Later, i will also take a look at the Allies ships.

Download here (zip file)
http://rapidshare.de/files/5239128/AAupmod.zip.html

The Type 34 destroyer will get 1 20 mm Quads in 1942 in lieu of her
aft 20mm.

The Bismarck Battleship, in the game with very tiny AA-guns, will get 8 37mm Doubles in their historical positions, and later some 20 mm Quads. I also added a 20mm gun to her funnel. Indeed she had one there, but in the game she will lose 2 of her 5 searchlight instead.
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8168/bisquad1po.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bisquad1po.jpg)

The Hipper class is armed only with 37mm Double - that is neither historical nor effective (in the game). I gave her a mixed armament of 37mm doubles and 20mm guns, changing to some 20mm Quads later.
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7889/eugen6zp.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eugen6zp.jpg)

Also this is mostly an optical mod, it will also effect game play when enemy airplanes attacking you harbour. Use Rubini's Mod for example and maybe you will notice the increased firepower... :)

When enemy ships get better AA-guns you will also take more damage in close action. I would like to give the Elco a Bofors gun, but i do no know if the boat was in fact armed with one. But i think when doing this, the player will be more cautious, when falling in with them :)
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6810/pts7lf.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pts7lf.jpg)


The S-100 Boat was in fact armed with 37mm guns and some with 20mm Quads. I changed her original third 20mm gun to 37mm Doubles and 20mm Quads in 1942.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2643/quad21rh.jpg

For Download this evening :)

[oRGy]

This seems good!

Mind if I integrate it in Improved U-Boat if all goes well?

[Commander1980]

no problem :)

Hi, Commander 1980
Have you checked my Think them all mod at Terrapin's site?
It changes dinamicaly all flaks and other guns throught the wartime in ShIII. I am to add fixed flaks at merchant ships as well as add Flakvierlings, thanks to you, in 2.0 Hope you will like it.

[Commander1980]

oh nice, i didn't notice your modification. Well then, there is nothing to do for me ;)

[Type941]

looking forward to this!

[oRGy]

Commander1980 - do release your mod and develop it please. I am unaware as to how historical and balanced the 'sink them all' mod actually is.

[LukeFF]

I would like to give the Elco a Bofors gun, but i do no know if the boat was in fact armed with one. But i think when doing this, the player will be more cautious, when falling in with them :)

Elcos were armed with Bofors cannon later in the war, although I do not know what date they began carrying this armament.

[Commander1980]

Thank you for that information! It is likey that it was in late 1943, when several british Warships were equipped with 40mm Bofors in lieu of the pompoms.

[FAdmiral]

Commander1980, YES, please release your AA mod as a stand-alone mod with just the the increased AA firepower. Many players
here don't want to get it in a package that may contain things
they are unsure of, like me. I am in a campaign now and don't
want to install some large unknown package just yet because
it may make too many changes but your AA only mod would
suit me just fine at this point in my campaign....


JIM

[Commander1980]

okay - wait one hour :) I found different websites with interesting information. I also found, that the Elco was armed with 40mm guns from 1943 onwards. In a testmission i get in serious trouble with three Bofors-armed Elcos, shooting me down to 62%.

[Soviet_Warlord]

okay - wait one hour :) I found different websites with interesting information. I also found, that the Elco was armed with 40mm guns from 1943 onwards. In a testmission i get in serious trouble with three Bofors-armed Elcos, shooting me down to 62%.

If they limited the number of elcos around ports (doing a surface run through gibraltar is near damn impossible with 10 elcos shooting at you), then I suppose it would be good to actually arm the elcos with something effective, and would make the human submerge....

[Commander1980]

Finally, available for download (at bottom).

Unfortunately, there are not enough nodes to make the armament more accurate - although there is plenty of room and some parts of the ships are modeled to take a node! There is also a bug with the Bismarcks aa-gun-nodes behind the B and C turrets, they won't fire in most directions! That goes to the developers.... :roll:

i used several nice websites for information about the armament upgrades:
Elco: http://www.ptboats.org/20-05-05-drawings-002.html
Bismarck: http://www.schlachtschiff.com
Tirpitz/Prinz Eugen: http://www.kbismarck.com/

The changes i made:
> Hipper Class Heavy Cruiser

6 x 37 mm Doubles
-> 1943 the 2 forward mounts change to 20 mm Qauds

2 x 20 mm Twins (funnel)
-> Feb. 1942 2 x 20mm Quads

Searchlight-Top-bridge
-> Jan. 1942 to 1 x 20 mm Quad

Screenshot in 1943
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1583/prinzeugen19434yi.th.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prinzeugen19434yi.jpg)


> Bismarck Class

-> 8 x 37 mm Doubles

2 x 20 mm Twins (Bridge)
-> 1941 to 2 x 20 mm Quads

(Funnel-Searchlight) 2 x 20 mm Twins
-> 1943 to 2 x 20 mm Quads (Tirpitz-style)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3223/bismarck19416qo.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bismarck19416qo.jpg)


> Type34 Destroyer

1 x 20 mm Double
-> 1942 to 1 x 20 mm Quads


> Elco aka the new "Troubleboat"

-> 1 x 2pdr 37 mm (PomPom)
-> in 1943 to 1 x 40 mm Bofors


> S-100 boat

1 x 20 mm Single
-> in April 1940 to 1 x 20 mm Double

1 x 20 mm Double
-> in April 1940 to 37 mm Doubles
-> in 1942 to 1 x 20 mm Quad


Download here (zip file)
http://rapidshare.de/files/5239128/AAupmod.zip.html

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@Soviet_Warlord: I was in an XXI in that testmission. I think when you have a deckgun, you can deal much better with them :) Nevertheless, you'll take real hull-damage when they hit you, not only light damage to your guns.

[Soviet_Warlord]

Excellent work, downloading now.


Are you going to make the allied ships more historically- accurate too? I usually only get a good look at the ships of the enemy (that I am about to sink) then the German boats.

[Commander1980]

I will take a look on some allied ships, too. There was of course more difference, even in one class. For example some Flower-class-members had an unshielded gun and different AA-armament. That can be done very easily.

Download Rubini's excellent harbour mod and you can see some more of the german ships, also in action, when the harbour is attacked :)

[Type941]

Hey, any chance of submitting this to Terrapin's site? Rapidsh*t doesn't work for me. :|\ This mod looks very very useful indeed!

[Commander1980]

i was not successful with uploading it to his site. Maybe he notice this thread :)

oh nice, i didn't notice your modification. Well then, there is nothing to do for me

I didn't ment that. You have descovered many interesting things in SHIII files. You may just use my mod for your needs. :up:

[terrapin]

i was not successful with uploading it to his site. Maybe he notice this thread :)


He followed this one from the beginning... ;) ; file is online

[HundertzehnGustav]

gotit

:D

[Commander1980]

@Terrapin: Thanks :)

@Hunter: Maybe using your files help me. I edited nearly all warships eqp files with many loadouts, some containing over 100 equipments :D - with the consequence that i lost the overview because i forget to make backups of all files... ;)

I think when i succeed in that object-cloning, i can release several sub-classes. The eqps and skins are ready, but so far only with the loadout option - the name of the different ships and the skins remain the same...

[Flakwalker]

Nice job!

On the S-100 a common armament was a single 20mm on bow, a twin 20mm on middle and a single 37mm on stern (the later design), maybe it is the default setting ingame.

About the Type 34 destroyers, they was equiped with quad 20mm?, I didnt knew that.

[Commander1980]

A 37mm Single-gun is only available for subs in the game. It can be installed on the S-boat, but the subs weapons do not work properly on ships (and there is no crew). I've seen some models and photographs with the 20mm Quad. The default armament in the game is 3 20mm Singles.

Some Type 34 destroyers were equipped with the 20mm Quad during the war (Z5, Z6, Z10, Z15, Z14). Unfortunatley, the historical position of that gun can not be used in the game (between C and D turret) :( . I added them because the 37mm guns amidships are very ineffective and i wanted to represent the task of the AA-defense-upgrade ;)

shematic of a late Type 34 (http://www.deutsche-marinegeschichte.de/geschichte/KMSchiffe/KMZerstorer/Bilder/zer34a.gif)

Unfortunatley, the historical position of that gun can not be used in the game

Shemes in my book on Type 34 class DDs show mostly the only Flakvierling on the top position between C and D guns, where an ordinary 20 oerlikon is positioned now. And they still carried 3,7cm Flaks on their positions.

[Commander1980]

hm my Type34-destroyer has no node on the top position between C and D Turret :-?

Edit: i found my mistake. I will fix it ;)

[Commander1980]

The Problem with the Type34 destroyer is fixed (i missed a node, because i edited a eqp-file that was wrong from earlier editing). Go to Terrapins Site or download from the first post in this Thread. The Type 34 has now the 20mm Quad in the proper position.

[Flakwalker]

A 37mm Single-gun is only available for subs in the game. It can be installed on the S-boat, but the subs weapons do not work properly on ships (and there is no crew). I've seen some models and photographs with the 20mm Quad. The default armament in the game is 3 20mm Singles.

According to Revell, some of them was equiped with 40mm Bofors Flak 28, of course, when availability of them was posible.

[Commander1980]

Jup, i heard from Bofors on Schnellboots also. If someone wants it on "his" Schnellboat, simly edit the eqp-file ;)

like this in NPT_GE.eqp :
[Equipment X]
NodeName=A03
LinkName=40mmSingle
StartDate=19440301
EndDate=19451231

(set equipment number according to the number of equipments in the eqp-file).


Here is a fine model with 20mm Quad:

modifed Revell Schnellboot (http://www.modellmarine.de/phpwebsite/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=68&MMN_position=6:6)

[Flakwalker]

Ok :up:
Thanks for the link.