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MGR1

06-29-22, 12:23 PM

Sturgeon's going for a multi-pronged approach with this:

1: She's sent a letter (https://www.gov.scot/publications/letter-from-the-first-minister-to-the-prime-minister-on-independence-referendum/) to the UK Gov. asking for a Section 30 Order (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50744526).

2: She's referred the question as whether or not Holyrood can hold such a referendum on it's own accord to the UK Supreme Court.

3: If the referendum is denied, either by the UK Gov and/or the Supreme Court saying Holyrood can't do so within it's remit, then come the next UK General Election the SNP will fight that election on the single issue of independence, thus turning it into a referendum.

The indyref2 questions facing the Supreme Court
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61974087)
Election win should trigger Scottish independence, says Sturgeon (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61980405)

All very convoluted, but all we can do is wait-and-see.:hmmm: As for the EU angle, I'm not so sure. Some of the Nat diehards may want to see some pressure exerted, but the best thing would be for the EU to adopt strict neutrality.

Mike.

Onkel Neal

06-29-22, 12:28 PM

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2435201&postcount=1 Congrats Jimbuna::Kaleun_Salute: on the rapidity, succinctness and seamlessness with which U have executed Neal's request! U have obviously learned from the best!:arrgh!::O: As for Brit politics: the nation is in peril: https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2018/06/flag1.jpg:haha:

Sometimes it's the other way around, I learned from him!

Aktungbby

06-29-22, 05:18 PM

A question from an outsider

Can Scotland hold this requested referendum even without British acknowledge ?

Meaning Sturgis say I don't care What Boris & Co says in London we have this referendum anyway

Markus

^ That will be answered soon by the UK Supreme Court.

'tiz a sure bet; The President of the Court, the Lord Reed of Allermuir PC FRSE, educated at University of Edinburgh Balliol College, will not be sitting on the Stone of Scone fer this one...:arrgh!::timeout:

Jimbuna

06-30-22, 06:52 AM

Scottish independence: How will indyref2 compare to 2014?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61987556

Jimbuna

06-30-22, 09:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbfEe2iS3XQ

Moonlight

06-30-22, 04:51 PM

If the referendum is denied, either by the UK Gov and/or the Supreme Court saying Holyrood can't do so within it's remit, then come the next UK General Election the SNP will fight that election on the single issue of independence, thus turning it into a referendum.

All very convoluted, but all we can do is wait-and-see.:hmmm: As for the EU angle, I'm not so sure. Some of the Nat diehards may want to see some pressure exerted, but the best thing would be for the EU to adopt strict neutrality.Mike.

If you Scots become a net payer the EU will welcome you with open arms, you might have to lose a few home comforts to become one of them though, free universities and prescriptions could go, taxes might increase and VAT rises might go up, all well and good for the better off but what about the less well off, or are there no poor people up in Scotland.

The EU adopting a strict neutrality stance, :haha: just like they did in the Brexit vote, :o you Scots won't know what's bloody hit you when the EU starts interfering in your 2nd referendum attempt. Your country is going to be the punchbag between the EU and Westminster and that little fish called Sturgeon will be punch drunk in no time, I hope she's ready for that. :O:

Moonlight

07-01-22, 10:09 AM

Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford whinge as Treasury launches multi-million pound raid on Scottish and Welsh government budgets to help pay for £1bn in extra support for Ukraine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10969853/Scottish-Welsh-ministers-hit-raid-budgets-fund-1bn-extra-help-Ukraine.html

If I was Nicola or Mark I wouldn't just be whingeing I'd be spitting bloody feathers, why are the Treasury taking much needed cash from already financially overstretched governments purses when we have a foreign aid budget of 14 billion pound a year they can dip into?.

It's looking all well and good for this governments status overseas but it isn't any bleeding good for the UK citizens who'll have to bear the brunt of any service cuts that will have to be made.
Bozo and his treasury Minister "Thicktwat Sunak" need to get out of their London bubble and see what 12 years of Tory government have accomplished around the country, villages looking like bleeding bomb sites which are totally avoided by their own councillors who couldn't give a **** either, yeah Bozo, go visit some of them for a change instead of going to your 10 course freebie dinners you bent bastard.

MGR1

07-01-22, 12:38 PM

...or are there no poor people up in Scotland
Of course there is, the problem is when they do vote, they vote for the SNP just as unthinkingly and slavishly as they did for Labour.:doh:

As you've pointed out, it's them who'll suffer most from the economic upheaval of independence, but most of them are too thick, blinkered or Anglophobic to notice.

As, may be said, for those poor parts of England that voted for Brexit.:O: Except they aren't phobic about their own sub-nationality. They might be about Britishness though....

Mike.

Jimbuna

07-03-22, 10:59 AM

What I have trouble understanding is why, if Sturgeon wants independence, is she so hell bent on handing power over to the EU.

Jimbuna

07-03-22, 11:01 AM

And there's more....

Six new claims of inappropriate behaviour by former deputy chief whip Chris Pincher have emerged, days after he was suspended as a Tory MP after allegations he groped two men.

The fresh allegations stretch back over several years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62025612

Jimbuna

07-03-22, 11:07 AM

This from the Guardian Politics Live website: "I'm told at this morning's Downing Street meeting Guto Harri told staff Chris Pincher was vulnerable and had lost his career, so they should all "think about how he feels" today"

That is a pretty easy one to answer and self-evident "With his hands".

mapuc

07-03-22, 12:32 PM

What I have trouble understanding is why, if Sturgeon wants independence, is she so hell bent on handing power over to the EU.

I do not know how much independent they have today-But I know they will lose about 80-90 % of it when they join EU.

I have heard on several occasion our Danish reporters, in our MSM saying that Denmark has lost nearly 90 % of it's sovereignty to EU-That EU decided over Denmark in most cases.

Markus

MGR1

07-03-22, 12:37 PM

What I have trouble understanding is why, if Sturgeon wants independence, is she so hell bent on handing power over to the EU.
It's an interesting question, but I think the following is a big reason:

Scotland is a small country and thus would be at a disadvantage vis-a-vis larger ones. Being part of a larger bloc like the EU negates part of that problem, i.e. safety of the herd. Fundamentally, that was a part of the attraction in 1707, Scotland couldn't go it alone as colonial power so hitched a ride with England to gain access to the latters imperial holdings and the economic boost they provided. Likewise, when Keir Hardy and his ilk championed home rule in the early 20th Century it was "Home Rule within the Empire" (Dominion Status like AUS,CAN & NZ, effectively), not as a fully independant state. Viewed in that light, "Independance within the EU" is it's modern successor; largely self-governing but part of a much larger economic "Empire".

In many respects it comes down the social Elites of two sides, Indy vs Union, disagreeing on what is in Scotland's (and their own personal, for a lot of them) best economic interests.

The only thing they appear to agree on is that Scotland is better off as part of a larger grouping, just not the one the other side favours.

England, being a large country, doesn't really have to face the same problem.

Mike.:hmmm:

Jimbuna

07-03-22, 01:07 PM

Well I'll state it publicly here and now that I am totally in favour of the Union remaining unchanged.

Should Scotland end up deciding or voting otherwise then the breakup will most likely have a more devastating impact on them than the remaining part of the UK and so be it.

MGR1

07-03-22, 04:08 PM

Large nations will always have an inherent advantage over small ones. It's not surprising therefore that the latter seek ways to "tilt the field" in their own favour to nullify that advantage.

Mike.

Jimbuna

07-04-22, 07:26 AM

The Conservatives' 2019 election pledge to build 40 new hospitals by 2030 faces a review by the government's spending watchdog.

Shadow health secretary Wes Streeting asked for an investigation into delays surrounding the programme and warned of taxpayers' money being wasted.

The National Audit Office (NAO) intends to conduct a "value for money review" later this year, its comptroller said.

Mr Streeting accused the Tories of "overpromising and underdelivering".

The 2019 Conservatives' manifesto said: "We will build and fund 40 new hospitals over the next 10 years."

Boris Johnson repeated this promise, and has spoken of "40 more hospitals".

However, a "new" hospital has not been defined as solely a new construction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62025410

This doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Jimbuna

07-04-22, 07:29 AM

The Scottish Greens said a single issue general election on independence has to be an option if formal consent for indyref2 is not granted.

Co-leader Patrick Harvie said it would be the only alternative if both Prime Minister Boris Johnson and the Supreme Court block the request.

Opposition parties have criticised the strategy and its timing.

It comes after First Minister Nicola Sturgeon last week proposed holding a referendum on 19 October 2023.

The UK government said it would examine the first minister's proposals, but stressed that its position that "now is not the time" for another referendum had not changed.

It has also said that it is "clear" that the constitution is reserved to Westminster.

A new poll found showed 44% of Scots are opposed to another referendum, with 43% in favour.

The research by Panelbase for the Sunday Times also indicated that 48% would vote for independence, with 47% against, while 5% were undecided.

In 2014 Scotland voted to stick with the UK by 55% to 45%.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-62028031

Moonlight

07-04-22, 09:29 AM

Westminster should give Nicola her 2nd referendum and also state that no other independence vote will be granted until at least the 2070's, if she fails in her bid once again to be the Mistress of Scotland's destiny she should fall on her sword and resign as Scotland's First Minister.

You can't have things your own way every time Nicola, lose this vote again and the consequences should be severe, as in your job, who knows, maybe that Black Clock fellow down in Westminster will take over and do a better job than you have done.
Hehehe, I'm sure there's many an MP down in Westminster who wished that the whingeing pillock would either disappear up his own rectum or even down a black hole. :O:

Skybird

07-04-22, 03:01 PM

York (UK) - Münster (GER) in four days, including ferry.

https://www.yorkeuropean.uk/munstercycle.html

https://www.muensterschezeitung.de/lokales/staedte/muenster/in-vier-tagen-von-york-nach-muenster-2595151

https://asc-images.imgix.net/2022/07/04/4027b99f-d990-4d31-966f-5c53884234c4.jpeg?w=1024&auto=format

Edit. I wondered how they managed to do the trip in four days when the navigation software gave me a distance via Dover ferry of around 1100 km. I mean - due to the long time to sit - it would be painful. But the German newspaper said they boarded the ferry already in Hull and unboarded in Rotterdam, so them clever Brits snipped a very huge chunk out of the trip distance. York to Hull and then Rotterdam to Münster in 3-4 days - that is doable. I got to Enschede, Netherlands, on bicycle myself, back and forth in one day, around 150-160 km.

Edit 2: York and Münster are "partner cities".

Moonlight

07-05-22, 05:29 AM

This is the UK Politics thread Skybird, shouldn't the above post be in your bicycle thread, unless of course you slap in a picture of Boris riding a bike, and I don't mean a bicycle. :haha:

Catfish

07-05-22, 07:48 AM

What I have trouble understanding is why, if Sturgeon wants independence, is she so hell bent on handing power over to the EU.
I take it they want independence and control over (english) immigration :D
Nah, i guess they are looking for an own future after brexit, which they saw as a betrayal after the guarantee to stay in the EU.

This is from 2019:

"It was impossible to meet the unfounded promises of the Brexiters that won the referendum, but only the Brexit process could reveal the extent to which those promises were unachievable.

While many policy makers and academics made valiant efforts to try and resolve the contradictions, more people are now in opposition to Brexit than initially supported it, and for good reason. Considerable economic analysis showed that Brexit would lower living standards (there has been debate over the magnitude, but not the direction).

The Brexit referendum shouldn’t be remembered as the vote of a generation — it was a vote to lower the living standards of subsequent generations.

That referendum was never really about supposed European Union control over the United Kingdom or about Britain’s inability to set its own destiny without the encumbrance of myriad rules and regulations mandated by the European Union (there may be some basis for the latter). Rather, it was a lightning rod for an intertwined set of long-simmering issues that have plagued the UK economy:

stagnant incomes as a result of languishing productivity growth — it has essentially not risen in a decade — which the chief economist of the Bank of England, Andrew Haldane, notes is “almost unprecedented” in the modern era; the regional divide, in part brought on by trade and deindustrialization; rising inequality; inadequate funding for welfare programs and the National Health Service; and so on. To blame the European Union for these underlying issues is incredible.

Moreover, Brexit will only intensify these issues: if the United Kingdom can’t afford the current system, how will they afford it with lower national income?"

https://www.cigionline.org/articles/long-simmering-economic-issues-behind-brexit/?utm_source=google_ads&utm_medium=grant

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/issues-surrounding-scottish-independence-vote-2022-06-28/

Jimbuna

07-05-22, 07:54 AM

Boris it would appear is also responsible for bringing No 10 into disrepute.....hardly surprising really.

No 10 did not tell the truth when it said the PM was unaware of formal complaints about Chris Pincher's behaviour, the former top civil servant in the Foreign Office has said.

Simon McDonald said the PM had been briefed about an inquiry on Mr Pincher, then a Foreign Office minister.

Minister Michael Ellis confirmed Mr Johnson had been made aware of the complaint about Mr Pincher.

But he said the PM had "did not immediately recall the conversation".

"As soon as he was reminded, the No 10 press office corrected their public lines," he added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883

Skybird

07-05-22, 11:11 AM

This is the UK Politics thread Skybird, shouldn't the above post be in your bicycle thread, unless of course you slap in a picture of Boris riding a bike, and I don't mean a bicycle. :haha:
Even a bike rider is a zoon politicon. ;)

:O:

Jimbuna

07-05-22, 12:16 PM

Health Secretary Sajid Javid quits the government, telling Boris Johnson he can "no longer, in good conscience, continue serving in this government"

He writes in his resignation letter that the prime minister has "lost my confidence"

Boris Johnson says it was "a mistake" to make Chris Pincher deputy chief whip given complaints about his conduct.

The PM says "with hindsight it is the wrong thing to do and I apologise to everyone who has been badly affected by it"

Pincher was suspended as a Tory MP last week after being accused of groping two men at a private members club while drunk.

The incident - and many subsequent allegations - have put pressure on Johnson to explain what he knew about Pincher's past when he appointed him.

Lord McDonald, the former top civil servant in the Foreign Office, has accused No 10 of not telling the truth.

Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner says "this constant charade just will not wash"

Jimbuna

07-05-22, 12:26 PM

NEXT!

Could the house of cards be toppling?

Rishi Sunak has just resigned from the cabinet.

In his letter he says "the public rightly expect government to be conducted properly, competently and seriously".

He adds: "I believe these standards are worth fighting for and that is why I am resigning".

Sunak says "our country is facing immense challenges".

"I publicly believe the public are ready to hear that truth. Our people know that if something is too good to be true then it's not true. They need to know that whilst there is a path to a better future, it is not an easy one.

"In preparation for our proposed joint speech on the economy next week, it has become clear to me that our approaches are fundamentally too different."

"I am sad to be leaving government but I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that we cannot continue like this", he adds.

Moonlight

07-05-22, 01:29 PM

It won't be long before the Tories self-implode and Bozo has been the root cause of it, any cabinet minister flying their flag on Bozo's flagpole won't be on the front bench much longer either, I can see Mad Nad aka (Nadine Dorries) holding on to Boris's flagpole until the very end, misplaced loyalty has always been Nad's downfall.

@Catfish, the UK has left the EU so why on earth are you bringing Brexit up once again, goodness me you Germans didn't keep moaning when things were tough in the old days, no, they usually gave their military some hardware and told them to give their protagonists a bleeding slap.

Get some politicians with some backbone and put Germany back on the map again, if you start kicking those frogs heads in again I might even buy you a LEOPARD 2 A7 + for Christmas.

Skybird

07-05-22, 03:34 PM

Das war's.

Prick him with a fork, he's done.

Catfish

07-06-22, 02:27 AM

[...]
@Catfish, the UK has left the EU so why on earth are you bringing Brexit up once again,
The referendum of the UK unity had explicitly claimed that the whole UK would remain in the EU, which was a guarantee and one of the main reasons Scotland voted for remaining in the UK and against scottish independence.

"In 2016, the UK voted, by 51.89% to 48.11% to leave the EU.
Scotland, on the other hand, voted 62% to 38% to remain.
Scotland, the SNP and others argued, was being “dragged out” of Europe against its will.
The links between Europe and Scotland have always seemed strong, and the attitude towards the EU, especially the political attitudes, more positive. The SNP has always argued that Brexit represents significant constitutional change for the UK, and is therefore a reason to hold another referendum."

You know what happened next.

But do not fear, even a new referendum will most probably not bring Scotland to leave the UK even now :03:
Get some politicians with some backbone and put Germany back on the map again,
I wonder who's people are more disgusted of their respective head of state in the moment, England or Germany :shifty:
Just of all the greens Habeck and Baerbock seem to have some faint knowledge of what they are doing, but they still have to put out the fires that stem back from the 1990ies, and deal with the crash of some recent gas treaties with an.. unfriendly nation.
if you start kicking those frogs heads in again I might even buy you a LEOPARD 2 A7 + for Christmas.
Promised? I'm so excited :haha:
But on second thought better working together with France, no one can afford an invasion with those fuel prices.. :arrgh!:

And before i am accused of being a "natzi"[sic!] again by August or whoever, this was meant as a joke even if i did not put 27 smilies behind it :D

Skybird

07-06-22, 07:19 AM

You know how majority votes work, Catfish. Scotland was and still is part of the UK and thus it's counts was added to the general count. That side of the count lost. Period. Scotland is in the same boat together with the others.

Say, a given city voted against Brexit 57 to 43. This now is not subject to Brexit...? The minority that lost a vote is not subject to the vote's outcome?

As long as Scotland is part of the UK, it is subject to any such voting result that is held across all parts of the UK. Referendum, whatever.

This is becoming repetitive, Catfish. Let it be, you have an undefendable cause there. The minority that lost a vote has no claim to make that it should be treated as if it had won it. A referendum on indepedence and a referendum on Brexit were and are two totally different things technically isolated from each other.

And as a German you and me should be happy that Scotland is not yet in the EU. Our economy is fundamentally degenerating, if you have not noticed it, and the counterfeit currency system we call Euro is exploding in slow motion right into our faces. The last thing we need is ever more hungry mouths at the table that demand to be fed at our expenses. We have very big, deep worries ourselves already, and they are existentially threatening. Nothing against the Scots, but they would not be of help, are net takers , not net donators.
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And Habeck, he is a blender, a brilliantly talking "Menschenfänger". But he has no real clue, nor has anyone else in this carricature of an administration filled with incompetent "Quotenweibchen" and attention-craving "Alphabubis". Last May - three months after the beginning of the war ! - Habeck did not mind that germany burnt more of its precious gas for creating electrical power than in any May before since WW2 - record!. And for pure ideological reasons him and the Greens still completely reject any tlak on nculear power and extending the timne for the last three ones. The Greens want ecology only second anyway, they always more were about destroying the burgoise society and replacing it with something far more left-leaning and anti-German. And it is like this since they started as the GAL in West-Berlin. The whole energy revolution they intend to enforce ignores hard facts from reality, economic possbilities and worse: the impossibilities, what is not according to their textbook is completely ignored by them.

Its not just the war and inflation. Even without these we would hit the wall that we currently fall towards at maximum velocity. Have you recently tried to buy heaters? Coal, firewood, petroleum? I know how the martket looked last years, since I bought then. And I know how it looks right now. The supply is down by felt and perceived 90% or more. Refined petroleum of highest cleaning grade 5 (odour-free, that means), is practically impossible to get at Amazon or ebay and three distributors I checked. The stuff you still get, stinks. Delivery times: 2 weeks says the one, several weeks says the other, minimum 2 months said the third.

Kazachstan's oil does not get transported by Russia anymore, news opf this morning. Putin strikes at both Kazachstan (which did not follow Putin into the war, and objects to it), and Europe. After the gas gets shut down, now Russian oil exports will be reduced and finally ended. At the same time it gets reportet that Habeck lied about how much dependencies have been cut already, both gas and oil. They are still significantly higher than he claimed.

It will become a very non-nice winter. Cold, and very ruinous. Extremely ruinous.

Catfish

07-06-22, 07:40 AM

^ this may all be or not, but what Scotland or at least a good part of it feels is that their were betrayed with the UK by leaving the EU, fuelling the new indyref debates.
During the indyref1 a poll revealed that "retention of the pound sterling was the deciding factor for those who voted No, while "disaffection with Westminster politics" was the deciding factor for those who voted Yes"
I do not think that the satisfaction with Westminster has risen much since then.

Of course if Scotland would apply for a EU membership, Spain could block that amid fears of repercussions with separatist movements in Catalonia and the Basque Country.
But I do no think that it will happen anyway, one reason being Johnson will simply not agree to a new referendum.

Skybird

07-06-22, 08:02 AM

Quote of the day :D :

"The sinking ship flees the rat." (some Labour pawn whose name I dont care to remember).

:har:

Jimbuna

07-06-22, 09:49 AM

Quote of the day :D :

"The sinking ship flees the rat." (some Labour pawn whose name I dont care to remember).

:har:

Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition Labour Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw_ertFCAko

Jimbuna

07-06-22, 09:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uF8Kb-ja98

Jimbuna

07-06-22, 10:14 AM

Michael Gove, a senior member of the cabinet, tells Boris Johnson to step down as the number of ministers resigning grows.

At least 31 ministers and aides have now quit the government, including Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak who resigned yesterday.

Javid, who stepped down as health secretary, told MPs at lunchtime that "treading the tightrope between loyalty and integrity" had become impossible.

Boris Johnson has insisted he won't leave No 10. He is answering questions from senior backbench MPs at the Liaison Committee now.

There are calls for the rules of the 1922 Committee of Conservative MPs to be changed to allow another confidence vote in the PM

MPs are angry at Johnson's handling of sexual misconduct claims against former deputy chief whip Chris Pincher - and what he said about what he kn

Jimbuna

07-06-22, 10:26 AM

Who has gone, who is staying?

Resigned

Cabinet

Chancellor Rishi Sunak
Health Secretary Sajid Javid

Ministers

Will Quince, education minister
Alex Chalk, solicitor general
Robin Walker, education minister
John Glen, Treasury minister
Victoria Atkins, justice minister
Jo Churchill, environment minister
Stuart Andrew, housing minister
Kemi Badenoch, levelling up minister
Neil O'Brien, levelling up minister
Alex Burghart, education minister
Lee Rowley, business minister
Julia Lopez, culture minister
Mims Davies, work and pensions minister
Rachel Maclean, Home Office minister
Mike Freer, equalities minister

Parliamentary private secretaries

Jonathan Gullis, Northern Ireland Office
Saqib Bhatti, Department of Health and Social Care
Nicola Richards, Department of Transport
Virginia Crosbie, Welsh Office
Laura Trott, Department of Transport
Felicity Buchan, Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
Selaine Saxby, Treasury
Claire Coutinho, Treasury
David Johnston, Department of Education
Duncan Baker, Department for Levelling Up
Craig Williams, Treasury
Mark Logan, Northern Ireland Office

Others

Bim Afolami, vice-chairman of the Conservative Party for youth
Andrew Murrison, trade envoy to Morocco
Theodora Clarke, trade envoy to Kenya

Still undeclared

Attorney General Suella Braverman
Welsh Secretary Simon Hart
Cabinet Office Minister Michael Ellis
Home Office Minister Kit Malthouse
Cabinet Office Minister Nigel Adams
Leader of the House of Lords Baroness Evans

Intentions clear: staying in the cabinet

New Chancellor Nadhim Zahawi
New Health Secretary Steve Barclay
New Education Secretary Michelle Donelan
Deputy PM and Justice Secretary Dominic Raab
Home Secretary Priti Patel
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace
Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss
Scotland Secretary Alister Jack
Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis
Environment Secretary George Eustice
Leader of the House Mark Spencer
Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries
Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey
Levelling Up Secretary Michael Gove
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps
Brexit opportunities minister Jacob Rees-Mogg
Chief Whip Chris Heaton-Harris
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Simon Clarke
International Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan

Jimbuna

07-06-22, 10:29 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/1Xw36Xj3/b0757bbd-576c-4a84-a71e-491e6e9ba016.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/FFLRwCHX/bfb84174-226c-467f-9535-c15f1fd46d61.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

mapuc

07-06-22, 10:34 AM

Now I wonder why are he hanging on to the bar when other politicians in this case Prime Ministers with common sense would see where the wind is blowing and resign.

Markus

Jimbuna

07-06-22, 11:09 AM

BREAKING: Nadhim Zahawi, who only yesterday accepted the role of chancellor after Rishi Sunak resigned, is among the delegation that is set to tell Boris Johnson to resign, the BBC understands.

Skybird

07-07-22, 03:22 AM

Das war's.

Prick him with a fork, he's done.
FINALLY...! :yeah:

Catfish

07-07-22, 03:57 AM

FINALLY...! :yeah:
Careful .. he says he will step down from being party leader, but he will remain prime minister at least until fall 2022

Jimbuna

07-07-22, 05:23 AM

Careful .. he says he will step down from being party leader, but he will remain prime minister at least until fall 2022

Quite worrying potentially considering the harm and division he could still create.

Jimbuna

07-07-22, 05:27 AM

Boris Johnson is to resign as Conservative leader today and make a statement to the country.

But he plans to continue to serve as prime minister until the autumn to allow a Tory leadership contest to take place in the summer.

Calls are growing for him to step down sooner, with some Tory MPs saying he must go now and it's impossible for him to stay on.

More than 50 government ministers and aides have quit.

Labour leader Keir Starmer welcomes Johnson's impending resignation, saying the Conservatives have "inflicted chaos upon the country" during a cost of living crisis.

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss - who has remained silent for days - is cutting short a foreign trip and returning to London.

Nadhim Zahawi this morning told Johnson he must "go now", two days after being made chancellor.

While New Education Secretary Michelle Donelan and Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis resigned from cabinet.

Skybird

07-07-22, 05:42 AM

Pah, what he plans and what he can realise are two different things. He's done. This manouver will not save him. It will enrage even more people in his party.

He's done, he is just "aping" around. Last twitches before exitus.

Skybird

07-07-22, 05:54 AM

German press writes there are rumours from Westminster that Theresa May wants to take over the helm.

:dead:

Zombiecalypse in Londown.

Jimbuna

07-07-22, 05:56 AM

German press writes there are rumours from Westminster that Theresa May wants to take over the helm.

:dead:

Zombiecalypse in Londown.

Not a cat in hells chance....it would be hard to choose which one was the worst.

Jimbuna

07-07-22, 06:15 AM

Boris Johnson is expected to make a statement outside Downing Street at 12.30 BST confirming his resignation as Conservative leader.

mapuc

07-07-22, 06:36 AM

Even our Danish and Swedish newspaper have it as breaking news.

One of the Danish newspaper had an issue on FB and here a person wrote

Directly translated

"Best PM since Thatcher. politicians without a spine have stabbed him in the back."

There are also a discussion whether he only resign as leader of the party and stay as PM or he is resigning from both. Some say he is also resigning as PM and not just as their leader.

Markus

Moonlight

07-07-22, 08:45 AM

Downfall of the Greased Pig

Incompetent Ministers, Chaotic Leadership, Sleaze Allegations, Wallpapergate , Paterson Scandal, Partygate, Pincher Pervert, Illegal Immigration, Brexit.

Every one of those mentioned above and a lot more not mentioned is steeped in Prime Minister failure, the only thing the Tories didn't **** up was Austerity, aye, they did a bleeding good job on the disabled and the poor on that one, but for the rich and those big corporations it was fill yer boots time.

Austerity Success Rating 10\10.

The Tories have been in power for 12 years, the damage they have done to communities around the country is so profound that most of them will never ever recover, and while devastating those communities they have increased the UK National Debt to £2 Trillion and 697 Billion, and this, from the Political Party that supposedly keeps a tight grip on the country's finances.
Financial Failure Rating 10\10 on that one.

Year upon year they have given the Rich and the Huge Corporations tax breaks without fail, while they steamed full throttle ahead implementing a benefit system that practically blamed the disabled and the poor for the country's financial woes. Not the rich, not the corporations, not the huge amount of illegal and legal immigrants but the disabled and the poor.
Citizen Failure Rating 9\10 on that one.

Infact it's pointless selecting any other area of government that they haven't ****ed up, if a Tory Minister got their sticky little fingers on it you can guarantee that if it wasn't already ****ed it soon would be.
Minister Competence Failure Rating 9\10 on that one as well.

Overall the political structure in the UK is ****ed up from Top to Bottom, there are very few Lords or MPs who deserve to be in Westminster as a visitor never mind going in there and bleeding working in it every day. Then there's your Local Councillors, (Crikey, I need to go and relieve the contents of my stomach, again) I hate to say this but the Bottom dwellers are as corrupt as the Top one's are, dearie me what a set of bleeding useless political Knob Heads we've got trying to run the country.
National Political Party Failure Rating 9\10 on that one again.

What about the Labour Opposition Party some people ask?, yeah, they would be brilliant if you wanted a National Debt of £5 Trillion and a UK population of over 110 Million, yeah, vote for them if that's what you want, but lets not forget that the Labour Party can't even define what a Woman is, so, running the country is a big bleeding, No, No until they stop ****ing about and start to get a grip on things that really matter.
Labour Party Opposition Failure Rating 10\10

Skybird

07-07-22, 09:25 AM

One of these eight?

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/polit-beben-in-grossbritannien-gleich-acht-kandidaten-kommen-fuer-johnson-nachfolge-in-frage_id_112032762.html

ET2SN

07-07-22, 10:12 AM

"Prime Minister of the Flies", that's some coalition. :har:

:O:

MGR1

07-07-22, 10:49 AM

BoJo represents everything wrong with English Conservatism to the Scottish eye, so no doubt the Scottish Tories are breathing a sigh of relief now that particular millstone around their necks is on his way out.

I would say that the overall feeling in Scotland is quiet satisfaction, tempered with caution as to who will be next.

Mike.

mapuc

07-07-22, 12:05 PM

Von Due

07-07-22, 12:59 PM

Boris is to be a caretaker PM. Ask Man Utd how well caretakers do.

mapuc

07-07-22, 01:20 PM

One of the former Danish Minister of Foreign affairs wrote this on his wall

Bye bye Boris.
Wild personality. When we ran (very slowly) a trip together in Central Park NY, he recited classic English poems - and asked curiously about Denmark.
He has written a fabulous biography of Churchill - and for summits he delivered the wildest punch-lines.
Now he has hit the wall.
His greatest strength and enemy was himself. What his legacy will be, besides unruly wild bass, time will tell.
But thanks for the run.
PS: with Boris you never know - I do not think we have heard the last of him - he sees first and foremost himself as a new Churchill, the man who won World War II and then was thrown at the gate by the voters. To regain power in the next election… ..

Markus

MGR1

07-07-22, 01:51 PM

Makes me wonder if the Scottish people are convince they will get their referendum, when a new PM take place in Downing street 10.

Markus
Not the Scottish people, Markus, just the SNP and it's supporters.

Boris was a gift that kept on giving as far as the Nats were/are concerned. He's made things very complicated for his successor when it comes to Scotland.

Mike.

Moonlight

07-07-22, 02:05 PM

One of the former Danish Minister of Foreign affairs wrote this on his wall
Markus

PS: with Boris you never know - I do not think we have heard the last of him - he sees first and foremost himself as a new Churchill, the man who won World War II and then was thrown at the gate by the voters. To regain power in the next election… ..

With a worlds eye view like that Markus I'm very happy to know that he isn't the current Danish Minister of Foreign affairs. :O:

Moonlight

07-08-22, 06:02 AM

Well blow me down and kick me in the goolies, why did Boris not get Carrie to look into his crystal balls and say to him this "Pincher Pervert" saga is just one too many scandals that you can't fob off to anyone any more matey.
Like a magnet it's attracted large groups of miscreants together from both sides of Westminster all of them on a mission to get this disgrace of a Prime Minister ousted from office, I was looking forward to a summer of discontent but all we'll be subjected to is the witterings of the malcontents who stuck a knife into him when he needed a steadying hand instead.
Well whoever gets to be the next PM is going to be the most squeaky clean candidate they can find amongst the current contenders, that doesn't mean "Morals and Integrity" are a pre-requisite, "Oh No", **** that **** the cry will go out from the rank and file, what we need is a new Prime Minister who doesn't have any skeletons in their cupboard, and if they do have some they need to be buried alongside any one who knows about them.
Penny Mourdant for PM, most unlikely, she hopefully has more oil in her lamp than to get involved with the shenanigans that are going to take place soon, if she has put herself forward for the job she needs to reconsider her position and pull out before the nasty backstabbing begins.

Jimbuna

07-09-22, 05:42 AM

Not really bothered who gets the job.

Sunak will possibly win but I'd love to see Jeremy Hunt or Tom Tugendhat succeed.

MGR1

07-09-22, 09:54 AM

Ben Wallace has ruled himself out:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62106884

Mike.

Skybird

07-09-22, 10:22 AM

Not really bothered who gets the job.

Sunak will possibly win
The Vulcans are coming. Will there also be a Sarek, a Saavik, a Sitak and Solok? :D

but I'd love to see Jeremy Hunt or Tom Tugendhat succeed.Tugend hat, wer Tugend tut.
Tut er? Dann hat er!
:O:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddoHQIZQto

Moonlight

07-09-22, 11:02 AM

After Ian Duncan Smith the next thickest man in a suit in Westminster is Jeremy Hunt, if he gets to be leader of the Tory Party he won't just **** up the NHS he'll **** up the whole country. :haha:

Aktungbby

07-09-22, 11:15 AM

"When the herd moves, it moves."-Boris Johnson meets: "Get 'em up; move 'em out" -Gil Favor: Rawhide:yep:

Jimbuna

07-10-22, 01:35 PM

No indyref2 for a decade say Tory leader hopefuls

Hopefully that will be the case :yep:

mapuc

07-10-22, 02:46 PM

This story belong both here and in our Ukraine thread- I have decided to post it here, cause it has to do with an English Minister

In Russia, Boris Johnson is accused of attacks on "peaceful territories of the Russian Federation"

Russia, which attacked Ukraine, has accused British Prime Minister Boris Johnson of allegedly striking their "peaceful territories" and is threatening him with a lawsuit.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/10/7357387/

Markus

Moonlight

07-11-22, 06:17 AM

We might never know what was said in the meetings with those Uber officials but I can guarantee that those ministers weren't there to talk about the weather, drain the swamp you might say, well that's easier said than done as everyone in Westminster is probably as bent as a butchers hook, and most of them have been involved in something similar to this so it's probably spoken of as a perk of the job.
One must remember that those MPs are not there to serve their constituents, no, they are there to serve themselves. :O:

Uber Files: Tech firm lobbied top ministers at undeclared meetings
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62099061

Jimbuna

07-11-22, 06:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQvrrP8k1WE

Moonlight

07-11-22, 12:08 PM

A vote of no confidence in the Government by Labour's Shadow leader should be tabled in the next couple of days if Starmer has the bottle to go for it, and that brings up a political crisis for the Tory party which they won't be able to avoid either.
They can't very well oppose this vote as they've just put the knife into their glorious leader, the leadership race is already descending into the backstabbing smear campaign which I thought it would do so, perhaps a General Election is needed to put this sorry saga behind them all.
Leaderless and bloody clueless the Tories are in disarray and an Election should take place this year if Starmer plays his cards right, hehehe, maybe 2 birds will fall with one stone here, Boris gone and Starmer to fall on his sword if he loses the GE.
I'm sure that Angela Raynor the guttersnipe woman would love to see Starmer fail so she can put the knife in him and take over, crikey those MPs don't take any bleeding prisoners do they. :haha:

Jimbuna

07-11-22, 12:13 PM

The former health secretary Sajid Javid says "over the last couple of years" the Tory Party's "reputation on most values and policies has slid away."

Prime Minister Boris Johnson tells reporters he "wouldn't want to damage anybody's chances" by offering his backing to a candidate to replace him
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss is pledging to start cutting taxes "from day one" as part of her leadership bid.

Meanwhile, Bob Blackman, joint-executive secretary of the Tories' 1922 Committee, says it's likely candidates will need the support of 36 MPs to progress from the first round.

Former chancellor Rishi Sunak is the current bookies' favourite for the top job - there are 11 candidates now in total.

Labour leader Keir Starmer says Tory candidates are engaged in an "arms race of fantasy economics"

Catfish

07-11-22, 12:21 PM

A vote of no confidence in the Government by Labour's Shadow leader should be tabled in the next couple of days if Starmer has the bottle to go for it, and that brings up a political crisis for the Tory party which they won't be able to avoid either. [...]
Main point is their united hate of the continent and their anti-EU stance as a founding member :D :arrgh!:

Jimbuna

07-12-22, 09:36 AM

The UK government has urged judges to dismiss the Scottish government's request for a ruling on whether it has the power to hold indyref2.

The Scottish government has asked the Supreme Court to examine whether a referendum could be staged without formal consent from Westminster.

The UK government has now questioned whether the court should agree to hear the case.

And it said it was clear that Holyrood does not have the necessary powers.

The case was referred to the Supreme Court last month by Lord Advocate Dorothy Bain - the Scottish government's top law officer.

It followed First Minister Nicola Sturgeon setting out her route map to securing another referendum on independence, which she wants to hold on 19 October 2023. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-62138075

Jimbuna

07-12-22, 09:39 AM

Candidates vying to be Conservative Party leader - and the next PM - must secure nominations from at least 20 MPs by 18:00 BST to enter the contest.

Home Secretary Priti Patel thanks supporters but says she has decided not to stand in the race to replace Boris Johnson.

Meanwhile, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has pulled out and endorsed former chancellor Rishi Sunak, along with Deputy PM Dominic Raab.

Speaking at his campaign launch, Sunak pledged to cut taxes only when inflation is under control, in contrast to rivals.

Meanwhile, Johnson loyalists Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nadine Dorries have backed Liz Truss.

Ten candidates are competing to replace Johnson; Nadhim Zahawi, Sunak, Penny Mordaunt and Tugendhat are all said to have secured the necessary nominations.

Conservative MPs will begin voting on Wednesday, with the final two candidates selected before the end of next week. The winner will be announced on 5 September.

Jimbuna

07-12-22, 10:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsYgJo_c-mc

Jimbuna

07-12-22, 11:40 AM

Conservative leadership candidate Rehman Chishti has withdrawn from the contest after being unable to "secure the necessary parliamentary backing".

Jimbuna

07-12-22, 12:01 PM

Add former Health Secretary Sajid Javid to the above.

Gorpet

07-13-22, 12:05 AM

Add former Health Secretary Sajid Javid to the above.

The Democrat party in America has already picked the next PM. Let's see they will back the war in Ukraine till it's very end. First above all. No politician in the United States will tell the American people what we will get in return for the billions that they are sending to Ukraine and that's just the money.
Now all these weapons that we are sending must be replaced. So when this war is over will every citizen from the Allied Nato Nations that poured their money into their government's coffers for this war get anything in return? Hell i would at the very least want to receive an Authentic bloodied Russian belt buckle wouldn't you ? something to hand down to your grandchildren. A symbol of the power of Nato and Democracy and it will be a warning to any country that doesn't believe !

Well the the New World Order will be collecting a lot of belt buckles. Hell who knows one day in the future depending on the,Hive Mind your grandchildren will be the dead they take those belt buckles from. After all this Planet can't support everybody.

nikimcbee

07-13-22, 12:23 AM

Jim, go find Steed and see if he'll run for PM?

Jimbuna

07-13-22, 06:07 AM

Jim, go find Steed and see if he'll run for PM?

We've just got rid of one clown....isn't that enough for awhile now :O:

Jimbuna

07-13-22, 06:07 AM

The candidates so far - and their odds from Betfair as of 6.20pm on Tuesday 12 July - are:

Rishi Sunak: 2/1
Kemi Badenoch: 13/1
Tom Tugendhat: 14/1
Nadim Zahawi: 50/1
Jeremy Hunt: 80/1
Suella Braverman: 87/1
Liz Truss: 7/2
Penny Mordaunt: 21/10

Moonlight

07-13-22, 06:10 AM

From what I've seen over this last week the Tory candidates are looking like a bunch of Ugly contestants in a Beauty competition, why does Rishi remind me of a 1970's used car salesman that makes my skin crawl every time I see him.

Rishi Sunak, Honesty.
His wife was recently Outed as a Non-Dom Tax Avoiding currant and Rishi knew about it as well, as the Chancellor of the Exchequer you need someone in charge of the country's finances who has a modicum of Honesty about them, well Rishi doesn't fit that bill.

Rish Sunak, Trust and Loyalty.
Boris must regret turning his back on Rishi because at the moment Boris needed him the most Rishi was plunging the knife of Betrayal into his back. Sunak's loyalty stretches to his wife and her money, if the common citizens think for one moment that this currant is going to help them out then they need taking to the nearest funny farm for re-education.

Rishi Sunak, Prime Minister.
Well, he has a great chance of being PM hasn't he?, no morals, ethics, trust or loyalty issues for the Tory Faithful as they don't believe in any of that bollocks, so it's full steam ahead Rishi, look after the Rich Corporations and they will look after you. Just make sure you follow the Tory Hierarchy's Agenda that's been ongoing for the last 12 years and they'll look after you, until it's your time to receive a knife in the back that is. :O:

H'mmmm, if this pillock told me it was raining outside I would have to go and see for myself, as you've already guessed I'm not a fan of this Greasy Pig or any of the other contenders either but, someone has to win it, he has got as good a chance of becoming our next Greased Pig Prime Minister as any of the others.

Jimbuna

07-13-22, 06:38 AM

Boris Johnson is taking MPs' questions during rowdy scenes in the Commons - for the second-to-last time before he leaves his job.

Labour's Sir Keir Starmer attacks pledges to cut tax and spending by Conservative leadership candidates - but Johnson says their commitments so far are "very good"

The PM insists he is "leaving with my head held high" after being forced to resign last week.

Shortly after PMQs, Tory MPs will start voting to elect his successor (13:30 - 15:30) with eight candidates on the ballot paper.

Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Jeremy Hunt, Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss, Tom Tugendhat and Nadhim Zahawi are all in the running
Mordaunt launched her leadership campaign with a promise to return to traditional Conservative values earlier.

The result of the ballot is expected at about 17:00. Candidates need at least 30 votes to go through to the next round.

Jimbuna

07-13-22, 07:18 AM

Meanwhile...the viewing figures for the Comedy Channel continue to surge.

'Shut up!' Furious Commons Speaker Hoyle KICKS OUT two MPs before Boris Johnson's PMQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvLcy8R9Tg

Moonlight

07-13-22, 08:22 AM

^They're like a pack of unruly schoolchildren, the plonkers. :haha:

My Second and Final choice to be the New Tory leader is Penny Mordaunt.

Bloody Hell Penny, you're not bent enough to be the next Greased Pig Tory Prime Minister, go forth and create some bleeding mayhem for ****s sake or you'll never be the PM.
I've always wanted to give Penny one, (my vote you bleeding perverts, my vote) so I looked her up a bit, not up her skirt you morons but on the interweb, there's not much to be said about this candidate as she's almost as squeaky clean as a bleeding NUN, this won't do Penny, it won't do at all.

She hasn't got a Police record, she hasn't fiddled any of her family's taxes and she doesn't pretend to be Thatchers re-incarnation, bleeding hell Penny you're a boring bitch, what she needs to do is be a bit controversial but don't make a fool out of herself while having some of these mad moments, people love politicians who are unpredictable Penny, remember that. :O:

I think Penny Mordaunt would be the safe bet to be PM if Rishi fails in his bid, but, and it's a big but, will the Tory Hierarchy go with a bleeding NUN as a Prime Minister. H'mmmm, I think this is a Tory leader election too soon for Penny, but maybe, just maybe, the Tory Party might benefit from having her as a leader as she doesn't appear to have any skeletons in her cupboard.

She won't have much opposition to beat as Starmer is too busy keeping up with the fruitcakes of the country instead of being a Labour leader with some bleeding gravitas about him, go get him Penny. :O:

Jimbuna

07-13-22, 08:37 AM

A snap poll of Conservative Party members has shown Penny Mordaunt has the most support among card-carrying Tories.

The trade minister secured 27% support in the overnight poll of 879 Conservative members by YouGov.

Kemi Badenoch secured 15%, while Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss both secured 13%.

Tory party members will choose between two final candidates, selected by MPs, as part of the two-stage selection process.

YouGov also paired off candidates to simulate head-to-head contests - its analysis suggests Mordaunt would be the victor against any of the other seven contenders - among party members.

MGR1

07-13-22, 11:14 AM

Jimbuna

07-13-22, 11:19 AM

Rishi Sunak leads the first ballot in the Conservative leadership race with 88 votes.

Penny Mordaunt gets 67 votes and Liz Truss secures 50 votes
Nadhim Zahawi and Jeremy Hunt fail to achieve the required 30 votes and exit the contest.

Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman and Tom Tugendhat are all also in the remaining six candidates going through to another vote tomorrow.

Johnson has taken MPs' questions during rowdy scenes in the Commons - he said he was "leaving with my head held high"

Labour's Sir Keir Starmer attacked tax and spending pledges set out by Tory leadership candidates, but Johnson said their commitments are "very good"

The government will table a confidence vote in itself - due next week - after blocking a Labour bid.

https://i.postimg.cc/qqQLW7ZM/53b14d1a-7902-406e-8048-2bdb2fd13547.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Moonlight

07-13-22, 03:04 PM

It's all a load of ballots and sour grapes from Jeremy Hunt as usual, did major disaster Hunt seriously think that the country would allow that pillock to have another chance of destroying the NHS, not a chance you bleeding buffoon, and those Tory MPs knew that as well, goodbye Mr Hunt, good riddance and **** off into the night.

If it all goes to plan it will end up as a race between Sunak, Mordaunt and Truss, I can't see any of the other runners being Prime Minister material but stranger things have happened before. There's 43 votes available and maybe a few more up for grabs if some MPs decide to switch their allegiance, so it's not all over yet as the balloting will go into a second week.

Jimbuna

07-14-22, 05:23 AM

Liz Truss and Tom Tugendhat have been setting out their pitches to be the next Conservative leader and prime minister.

Truss, the foreign secretary, says she would be ready to be PM from day one, as her campaign tries to gain momentum.

Former Chancellor Rishi Sunak won the first round of the Tory leadership contest but Trade Minister Penny Mordaunt beat Truss to second place.

Lord Frost, the former chief Brexit negotiator, intervenes in the contest to say he has "grave reservations" about Mordaunt becoming the next PM

Sunak has been defending his credentials, saying his wealth doesn't mean he can't understand people's financial struggles.

Other candidates that remain in the contest are former Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch and Attorney General Suella Braverman.

Tory MPs will vote again later today and the last-placed candidate will be eliminated.

Jimbuna

07-14-22, 05:27 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/hGydd33v/cef493b8-f637-414b-9cc4-3573d58f137a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

07-14-22, 10:15 AM

Rishi Sunak wins the second ballot in the Conservative leadership race with 101 votes.

Penny Mordaunt gets 83 votes and Liz Truss secures 64 votes.

Suella Braverman finished last in today’s vote has been eliminated from the contest.

Kemi Badenoch and Tom Tugendhat remain in contention.

Gorpet

07-16-22, 06:49 PM

Moonlight

07-17-22, 07:37 AM

Tom Tugendhat
Another round of voting on Monday and I expect Tom to be given the boot, it doesn't matter what the hell he spouts on TV tonight as the one's who matter in the voting are not your ordinary people of the country but the Paid Up Tory Member Elite. That's enough to send shivers down your spine by the way, most of them will be extremely wealthy and it's these ****rs who will be selecting the next Prime Minister and not those useful idiots in Westminster.

Kemi Badenoch
She, just like Tom will face the firing squad on Tuesday, her loudmouthed Activist backers will almost certainly be her undoing and she needs to disassociate herself from them and fast. There's nothing much wrong with this lady but, and that's a big But, will the Tory Member Elite select this woman as the next leader of the Tory Party?, I'm going to say No and Tuesday's vote should confirm that. If those useful idiots in Westminster do put her through to the next round on Wednesday the Paid Up Members of the Tory party will be ready to put the knife in.

Penny Mordaunt
I wondered what all the nonsense about Trannies was all about so I looked on the truthful pulpit of the interweb, apparently she has a brother who is Gay and also supports Gay and Trans rights. Hmmmmm, if she can be so easily manipulated by someone from her own family then those sharks of the establishment will have her for breakfast. There's no point in Penny trying to backtrack now as her previous views are out in the wild, will this be a major setback for her?, I believe it could be, she has come across as a two faced bitch and that's not a good thing after all that bollocks with Boris Johnson. I still think it will be a Face Off between her and Rishi but HMS Penelope is in stormy waters.

Rishi and Liz
They were sat at the top table making decisions and backing and supporting all of Boris Johnsons screw ups, they knew what was going on in 10 Downing Street and didn't say anything about it. These two shouldn't even be in the running for the top job as they were already in the cabinet and shouldn't have been allowed to put their names forward for the job, the worst pair of Untrustworthy scumbags from all Five contestants.

Jimbuna

07-17-22, 08:01 AM

Penny Mordaunt and Tom Tugendhat have been on Sunday Morning with Sophie Raworth.

Both were quizzed on how they would pay for their plans for tax cuts - Mordaunt says she'd borrow to deal with "day to day costs"

Tugendhat emphasised his lack of attachment to Boris Johnson and said the prime minister's Partygate account was "more fictional than reality"

Mordaunt slams media "smears" about her record on gender self-identification for trans people.

She defends comments she made during the Brexit referendum, when she said Turkey was set to join the EU

Meanwhile, the government's climate tsar has warned about "lukewarm" attitudes to the net zero target during the contest so far.

This evening all five candidates will take part in a TV debate - the second in the contest - at 19:00 on ITV

Jimbuna

07-18-22, 06:08 AM

The next live TV Tory leadership debate has been cancelled, after host Sky News said Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss declined to take part.

The two contenders clashed repeatedly during a debate on Sunday over each other's economic plans and record in office.

It comes amid concerns in the Tory party about infighting in the contest.

The five remaining candidates face another round of voting among Tory MPs later to stay in the race.

It is understood that Foreign Secretary Liz Truss wants to focus on hustings sessions between fellow Conservative MPs.

A source close to frontrunner and ex-chancellor Mr Sunak said: "We are very happy to do more debates if we are lucky enough to get to the next stage."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62206727

Aktungbby

07-18-22, 10:37 AM

I suspect that Mr Johnson may remain in office...even after September...:hmmm:

Jimbuna

07-18-22, 12:31 PM

I can assure you that isn't going to happen.

Jimbuna

07-19-22, 01:48 PM

Beginning to look like which of the two women will make it to the final round against Sunak.

Moonlight

07-20-22, 05:25 AM

Everything has played out exactly as I expected it would do so far, it's the last vote tonight and it's between Rishi, Liz and Penny, I would say these three are a poor choice of Prime Minister from a poor set of Tory politicians.

Me thinks that the final two will be Rishi and Liz, not because those two are better than Penny but because of articles like this One (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11030073/I-KNOW-Penny-Mordaunt-trying-rewrite-history-trans-views-argues-STEPHANIE-DAVIES-ARAI.html/), the damage they are doing to her cause must be tremendous.

Rishi Sunak, whose wife was a tax dodging bitch living in the UK under Nom Dom status tells me everything you need to know about this currant, he'll be a poor choice of Prime Minister but to the rich Tory Member Elite he's one of theirs and that's why he will become Prime Minister.

mapuc

07-20-22, 06:19 AM

Will there be any major changes in the politics and in the daily life of the British people if one of these 3 candidate take over ?

Markus

Jimbuna

07-20-22, 08:35 AM

Will there be any major changes in the politics and in the daily life of the British people if one of these 3 candidate take over ?

Markus

I suspect not.

Jimbuna

07-20-22, 08:37 AM

Truss could well beat Mordaunt tonight and possibly/hopefully the party membership will vote her in over Sunak....the best of a bad bunch.

Moonlight

07-20-22, 08:56 AM

Not much Markus, things might slightly change for the better in the first couple of months but in the long term everything will go back to Tory normal.

Meanwhile in the UK Newspapers you get articles like the ones below.

Amazon paid nearly £3bn of tax in the UK last year: Internet giant publishes accounts in bid to fend off criticism

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-11029157/Amazon-paid-nearly-3bn-tax-UK-year.html

The headline above is a load of creative spin and bollocks as usual from that American tax dodging company, hey Amazon, consumers pay the VAT and not you, you just collect it and pass it on to HMRC you bleeding Morons.
The real issue is in relation to the corporation tax on your profits on earnings in the UK, that's what you're trying to hide with announcements like this one, anything else you're blabbing on about is just smoke and mirrors.

This is one of the reasons why the UK is in so much debt, and let's not forget an incompetent political party like our present government helps the Tax Dodging Bastards year upon year.

Payup you Tax Dodging Currants.

mapuc

07-20-22, 11:11 AM

Thank you for your answers.

As I expected nothing major changes will come to the British people.

Just like here in Denmark whether it's the socialist or the right wing who's in charge-There ain't any major changes.

Markus

MGR1

07-20-22, 04:46 PM

Rishi Sunak, whose wife was a tax dodging bitch living in the UK under Nom Dom status tells me everything you need to know about this currant, he'll be a poor choice of Prime Minister but to the rich Tory Member Elite he's one of theirs and that's why he will become Prime Minister.
His ethnicity may be an issue for at least some among the Tory Grassroots.:hmmm:

Mike.

Skybird

07-20-22, 04:49 PM

Truss could well beat Mordaunt tonight and possibly/hopefully the party membership will vote her in over Sunak....the best of a bad bunch.
Thats my impression too, but I am not that deep into British politics. They only said in our media here that the vote now is not some priviliged party members or a committee, but the party base, and I think that ticks more for Truss than Sunak. Which they also said in the media over here. Sunaks lead in the race so far may not mean much.

mapuc

07-20-22, 05:17 PM

Skynews had a survey on their yt channel.

Who do you want to be the next PM.

And here with a good length ahead was Truss, then came Sunak

One thing is what the common people like to see as their PM another thing is political reality.

If I remember correctly it will be up to members of tory who in the last end decided which of these 3 contestant going to be UK's next PM

Markus

Gorpet

07-21-22, 04:46 AM

Yes, The Democrat Party in the United States has decided that Liz Truss will be your next PM. She has the connections.And she will carry on the war against those dirty dog Russians.
Yes the war could go on for years. But it's a good war every war that NATO has followed the USA into has always been a good war right! And look at the Democracy's that NATO has created.Right! I don't know anymore, If the NATO alliance was so strong why does a Presidential election in any country have such profound disruption in the Alliance.

Especially the American's.If it is in your backyard why do you need the Americans ? I think now is the time to show the rest of the World what European NATO is all about.

American Politician's certainly would never except an Invasion in our Hemisphere. Right ?

Moonlight

07-21-22, 04:55 AM

Thats my impression too, but I am not that deep into British politics. They only said in our media here that the vote now is not some priviliged party members or a committee, but the party base, and I think that ticks more for Truss than Sunak. Which they also said in the media over here. Sunaks lead in the race so far may not mean much.
Your media knows nothing Skybird.

What you're going to get in the next few weeks is some of the wealthiest people in the UK who will vote for the next leader of the Tory Party, these pillocks are the "Tory Party Member Elite" who couldn't give a rats ass if the leader was bent or not, as long as the leader throws them a bone to play with occasionally then these pillocks will be happy to go along with everything they do.

If you're living hand to mouth or are middle class this is going to be a weekly Red Pill, Blue Pill moment when he becomes Prime Minister. :O:

Gorpet

07-21-22, 05:41 AM

Liz Truss. Every American knows that she is a, well here in the USA not even a woman can define what a woman is. But Americans know! Who is the best leader of your country and it will be a Strong Women as it should be.

We Americans unfortunately elected a party, And the leader of our current party and our President got more votes than the last President of the same party.
That President got a Nobel and he could walk on water, Hell he brought hope and change across this Planet. He didn't stop any wars across the globe but he Barack Hussein Obama brought providence to this World and the Guilt of not only the dead. But every Politician any living caucasian on this planet that has a bloodline.

And the bloodline is strong in the Democratic Party of United States. They and their kind across this Planet will circle their wagons and institute a new World Order. Rather than have you go back and look into their bloodlines.And that is a Fact.

Skybird

07-21-22, 06:50 AM

Jimbuna

07-21-22, 08:57 AM

My impression was that the majority of the Tory party base still ticks strictly pro Brexit and anti-EU, as defined in course plotting by Johnson, and that Truss has some of the heavyweight speakers of that camp are on her side supporting her.

Precisely and Truss who originally voted for Remain has publicly declared today that she made a mistake and was confident she could make Brexit a success.

Whilst I find that hard to believe I expect her to beat the man who is wealthier than our monarch.

Truss for the win.

Jimbuna

07-21-22, 09:01 AM

Could this clowns shenanigans eventually be going to catch up with him?

Partygate: Boris Johnson may face by-election if found to have misled MPs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62252046

Jimbuna

07-21-22, 01:23 PM

Skybird

07-22-22, 09:06 AM

One day adter the Commons passed the Northern Ireland Protocol bill, the EU has opened another set of four charges against London over failing to apply cusotms and tax rules, after already having sued on two points in February.

The thing can take years to resolve and will be negotiated at an anything but unbiased referee auditorium: the very much pro-EU European Court of Justice ECJ. Thankfully there is no conflict of interest involved... :doh:

Jimbuna

07-23-22, 06:11 AM

^ QFT :)

Jimbuna

07-24-22, 01:31 PM

Now is the time when Sunak and Truss will promise everything under the earth to get elected.

Jimbuna

07-25-22, 09:49 AM

Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss's campaigns have been clashing over policy in the lead up to their first head-to-head TV debate.

The race to be the next Tory leader and prime minister was initially dominated by tax and the economy - but the candidates are now focusing on immigration and China.

The former chancellor has accused Truss of helping Beijing to infiltrate British universities, while the foreign secretary's camp claims Sunak has consistently been soft on China.

Veterans Minister Johnny Mercer has said the "puerile nature of this leadership contest is embarrassing"

Meanwhile, Labour leader Keir Starmer says Sunak and Truss are involved in "Thatcherite cosplay" and neither "has the answers" to the UK's economic challenges.

The pair will face each other in a BBC debate this evening in Stoke-on-Trent, facing an audience of people who voted Tory in the last election.

Our Next Prime Minister will be broadcast at 21:00 BST and presented by Sophie Raworth on BBC One,

Jimbuna

07-25-22, 01:13 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/1tB48wJZ/5b46bc06-5457-4ac1-8e82-491edae1b84a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/T1P1g145/ad73e7eb-41c3-4555-ae83-847b41305753.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

blackswan40

07-25-22, 02:02 PM

At best Lizzie will only have two years then she will get knifed in the back by her own party once the general elections won theres plenty of stalking horses waiting the shadows like Michael Gove and Jacob Rees-mog .

Jimbuna

07-25-22, 02:03 PM

Oh christ no! not Jacob!

blackswan40

07-25-22, 02:07 PM

when it comes to the general election ive narrowed it down

1. Lord Bucked Head

2. Guy Fawkes

:D

Jimbuna

07-25-22, 02:10 PM

I'd like to see Maggie back but unfortunately that'll never happen.

blackswan40

07-25-22, 02:31 PM

ho yes never a truer word spoken Jim iron lady by name and iron lady by nature they dont make them like that any more cut from the same cloth as Winston Spencer Churchill and Queen Elizabeth 2nd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4YXzRURNs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1UIuGUBzJA

Jimbuna

07-26-22, 09:59 AM

Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss attacked each other's economic policies in the debate in Stoke-on-Trent.

Both campaign teams need "to be mindful of tone" and have a debate that's "respectful and dignified", Conservative MP Amanda Milling tells the BBC

The two contenders talked over each other and clashed on taxes, their Brexit records, the schools they went to and their records in government.

Sources close to Sunak said they believed he had "won the argument" on the economy, but one Truss supporter accused him of "mansplaining"

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer says both Tory leadership candidates "are the architects of the mess this country is in"

About 160,000 Conservative members will take part in a ballot to choose the next party leader and prime minister, with the winner announced on 5 September.

Jimbuna

07-27-22, 11:29 AM

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has sacked his junior shadow transport minister who joined striking rail workers on a picket line.

Ilford South MP Sam Tarry attended the protest at London's Euston station despite Sir Keir saying his frontbench MPs should stay away.

Speaking to reporters, Mr Tarry said "any Labour MP" would have "absolute solidarity with striking workers".

Labour said he had been fired for making unauthorised media appearances.

MGR1

07-27-22, 12:19 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/1tB48wJZ/5b46bc06-5457-4ac1-8e82-491edae1b84a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/T1P1g145/ad73e7eb-41c3-4555-ae83-847b41305753.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
I think that data shows why the Tories will always struggle in Scotland. Too South of England orientated.

Mike.:hmmm:

MGR1

07-27-22, 12:22 PM

I'd like to see Maggie back but unfortunately that'll never happen.
Just as well! That would really make the Clyde Valley even more unbearable to live with!

Mike.

Moonlight

07-27-22, 03:27 PM

I don't know why that Thatcher bitch is so lauded after what she did to the UK all those years ago, after destroying tens of thousands of people's jobs and the businesses that went down the pan as well she was the worst kind of Tory PM that anyone could wish for.

More corrupt than Bozo Johnson with all the brown envelopes she received from the banking sector, and her prime goal was to privatise everything she could get her bleeding hands on (oh lordy, the bitch was coining it in), all under the promise that they would be cheaper services in the long run, (look how well that turned out heh).

What she did was sell the nations silver tea sets to the highest bidder, and that meant that the profits the nationalised utilities brought in on a yearly basis to the Treasury was gone forever. The Tory government were as shortsighted then as the government of today are, no profits coming in from them means they didn't have any fallback options anymore and it's led right up to the present day National Debt mountain the UK is currently in.
Well Done Maggie Thatcher the Milk Snatcher. :O:

Catfish

07-27-22, 04:20 PM

Under Thatcher (and i mean this literally, there was no public influence of what was done in #10) it was decided that all real production was to be killed and the rest privatized, and the working sector was told to get lost, the rest to cut each other's hair and make a living out of that.
(Sorry Jim :O:, i was in England at that time and it was not pretty)
How anyone can support this is beyond me. But hey there are russians who support Putin, so why not.

Gorpet

07-28-22, 02:54 AM

Rishi Sunak says he's the candidate best-placed to beat Labour in a general election, and suggests Liz Truss would lose to Keir Starmer.

Speaking to LBC, he reiterated his plans to cut personal taxes once inflation is more manageable, saying it was important to be honest about the challenges the country faces.

He also said he averted a national lockdown last December due to the omicron variant when he argued successfully against it.

Earlier, Liz Truss told the BBC the consensus on economic policy over the last 20 years had not delivered growth, as she pledged to make tax cuts.

In YouGov's latest poll, Truss is leading Sunak by 62% to 38% among Tory members, a 24-point lead.

The winner of the leadership race will be announced on 5 September, with Boris Johnson in charge until then.

The Democrat Party, "aka The across the ocean Leaders of The New world Order in collusion With the Chinese Communist Party" Has decided that Lizz Truss Will become the next PM. Until the real elections are held and. Then the sheep will elect Keir Starmer. Here in America the buzz is this man is the future of the U.K. And he will stand by the U.S. for however long and it doesn't matter many young British soldiers or maybe even all of the Uk. For the Ukraine and your Island's could disappear from this planet. if that's what it takes to Defeat.Those evil Russians! Look at the U.N torn between two lovers one of power and one of fear. And to many sheep on this planet.And there must be an Enemy. I'm sorry i poked my finger in my eye and i can't see anything.

Moonlight

07-28-22, 04:16 AM

These are the ones the candidates have to impress as they will be the people electing the next PM, if they screw up in front of these Tory Members tonight then their cause will hit a brick wall, there will be other opportunities, but this is where "First Impressions" will really count in their favour.

Rishi Sunak unveils controversial plan to BAN homes from being built in green belt countryside in bid to woo back Tory heartlands despite the UK's housing crisis as the leadership rivals face their first test in front of party members TONIGHT

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057147/Rishi-Sunak-unveils-controversial-plan-BAN-homes-built-green-belt.html

Jimbuna

07-28-22, 06:20 AM

Thatcher reminded me of Churchill, a leader you could rely on in times of crisis, not like the fool we currently have in No10

She did have her faults but what politician hasn't?

Jimbuna

07-28-22, 06:25 AM

Heaven forbid this should be true (despite the source)

Boris Johnson allies plotting to find safe Tory seat for PM to launch comeback

Senior sources claimed Mr Johnson was “testing the water” over moving to a constituency with a much larger Conservative majority amid fears he is in danger of losing his own seat of Uxbridge at the next General Election.

Recent polls have suggested he could be in danger of losing his own seat of Uxbridge, where he has a majority of just 7,210, at the next general election.

The PM is understood to want to remain on the back benches and there have been reports he hopes to stage a political comeback with another bid for No 10.

One insider even suggested Mr Johnson’s allies were prepared to offer honours - including knighthoods and peerages - to loyalist MPs and Tory veterans in safe seats who might contemplate retirement.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-allies-plotting-find-27594449

mapuc

07-28-22, 07:19 AM

Heaven forbid this should be true (despite the source)

Looks like he will do a Nixon

Markus

Jimbuna

07-28-22, 08:06 AM

He will do what benefits himself most, always has done and always will do.

Moonlight

07-28-22, 09:16 AM

Meanwhile, in the Labour Party ranks the two sides are sniping at each other again. :haha:

Unions react angrily to sacking of Labour shadow minister Sam Tarry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62329521

They all know that sooner or later a Labour split by the Lefties is coming, the question is, when?, even if they do split then both sides know that they couldn't muster up enough MPs to win a General Election inside the next 20 years. Angela Rayner is constantly testing the water, Starmer can't fire her so she's using her boyfriend as a weapon to create some strife, a thoroughly despicable bitch if ever I saw one.
So, they're stuck in this stalemate they've created for themselves, screwed if they do and screwed if they don't. They both want rid of the other side but it's going to create Political Suicide for them if they do, what a shambolic Shadow Government this country has got, get it over with and do it you idiots. :o

Jimbuna

07-28-22, 09:53 AM

Rare indeed to see so much truth from Labour.

Former Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell has accused Labour of treating a Jewish group within the party "brutally".

Last week a report on Labour's handling of the anti-Semitism row under Jeremy Corbyn found supporters and critics had used it as a "factional weapon".

Mr McDonnell claims the report shows the party used its disciplinary procedures to target members of the pro-Corbyn Jewish Voice for Labour (JVL)

He said a disproportionate number of JVL members had been disciplined, suspended and expelled from the party.

Members of the group were up to 35 times more likely to face anti-Semitism investigations than other, mostly non-Jewish, Labour members, he claimed.

The JVL says it stands for "rights and justice for Jewish people everywhere, and against wrongs and injustice to Palestinians and other oppressed people anywhere".

Barrister Martin Forde QC was asked by the party to chair an inquiry into the contents and leaking of an internal Labour dossier in 2020.

He concluded factionalism was "endemic" within the party and the issue of anti-Semitism was weaponised by both sides, not just the right.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62319342

Jimbuna

07-28-22, 12:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AanmsYiOQh8

Moonlight

07-29-22, 07:58 AM

Rishi Sunak has been given a smack in the kisser from the Members who are the only ones allowed to vote on who is going to be their next leader. All that privilege and wealth doesn't mean a damn thing to these pillocks Rishi, and if you dare to throw the race card into the mix you'll go down faster than the Titanic.

I'll say it again so even a dickhead like you can understand it, "they want to know how much money they are going to save under your government" do you get it now?, so forget your grand inflation ideas as these folk will just tell you to "bollocks" and vote for Liz Truss who knows what they want. :haha:

Can you remember that ABBA song Rishi, NO, no, no, not the "Dancing Queen" you stupid pillock but that other one "Money Money Money" at last, I think he's getting it, fire some of your advisers as they're as clueless as you are and start all over again.

Jimbuna

07-29-22, 08:12 AM

It wasn't quite as big a crowd as you get on a Saturday afternoon, but it was a big one nonetheless.

The first Conservative leadership hustings for party members took place at Elland Road in Leeds last night.

About 1,500 party members turned up to hear from Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss and put their questions.

We got a smorgasbord of policy questions. Not just the economy and integrity.

Rishi Sunak was asked if he was in favour of more grammar schools in England. He said yes, although his team said afterwards he meant the expansion of existing ones.

Liz Truss was asked about single-sex toilets in schools, amid the rows about transgender rows. She strongly defended what she saw as the need for women and girls to be protected.

The welfare of greyhounds, the future of inheritance tax, the welfare state, the future of the UK union, the questions flowed.

A couple of observations: Liz Truss seemed to energise more of the audience more of the time than Rishi Sunak. Her pitch was more targeted at the West Yorkshire crowd than Rishi Sunak's.

And there was definitely a respect for Boris Johnson in the room - with outbreaks of applause for him whenever his time as prime minister was mentioned.

This matters, because it wounds Rishi Sunak - and Team Truss is trying to harvest that Johnson loyalism and translate it into support for her. One audience member accused Mr Sunak of "stabbing" the prime minister "in the back" and questioning which "planet he was on".

And Liz Truss went out of her way to emphasise her loyalty to Mr Johnson and her respect for him. And she's landed a big new endorsement - the Defence Secretary Ben Wallace.

Speaking to Conservative activists, they are well aware of the awesome responsibility on their shoulders, selecting a prime minister on behalf of us all.

As things stand, Liz Truss is the firm favourite - and both she and her team seem to be growing into the role of being frontrunners and appear to be growing in confidence with every passing day.

But, but, but remember not a single vote has yet been cast. Ballot papers go out in the post in the next week. And there are 11 more hustings to go.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62342965

Jimbuna

07-29-22, 11:33 AM

Truss promises increased military aid to Ukraine if she becomes British prime minister

British Foreign Minister Liz Truss has announced an increased military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine if she becomes the country's prime minister.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to Reuters.

She also intends to make her first call in her new position to the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky.

"As Prime Minister, I will be Ukraine's best friend, follow in Boris Johnson's footsteps, and fully commit to ensuring that Putin fails in Ukraine and suffers a strategic defeat," Truss said.

According to her, the war in Ukraine is far from over and now is not the time to think about concessions and compromises with the President of the Russian Federation.

Truss is leading in opinion polls among members of the Conservative Party, who have to decide who will become the next prime minister of Great Britain.

Skybird

07-30-22, 10:05 AM

Rumour has it that tomorrow Wembley Stadium could become the starting location of another war in Europe between two old enemies... :D
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/images/vorteil_ts/28561824/1-format1007.jpg"England with home advantage? They'll be surprised when Olaf Scholz, the man who sets the mood, starts to whip up the German fan block!"

Jimbuna

07-30-22, 12:47 PM

Should be a good game, both teams appear to be evenly matched.

blackswan40

07-30-22, 02:47 PM

Leeds as always had transport problems train station just off city square in the town centre and the bus station at the other end of town.
Leeds has been promished a supertram system on three seperate ocasions and each time its been knocked back due to ever increasing costs the nearest leeds got was the steel posts being erected in middleton belle isle and hunslet in the mid 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeAtseioCqY

blackswan40

07-30-22, 03:03 PM

Leeds as always had transport problems train station just off city square in the town centre but the bus station is at the other end of town.
Leeds has been promished a supertram system on three seperate occasions and each time its been knocked back due to ever increasing costs the nearest leeds got was the steel posts being erected in middleton belle isle and hunslet in the mid 90's.
Since the 90's the leeds skyline as changed lots of new student acommodation lots of new office space and shopping malls leeds is now the second largest financial center outside london lots of money and redevelopment going on maybe this time leeds will get the supertram the building blocks of the so called northern powerhouse.
Wil the money be spent elseware like on type 26,31,83 warships or on new military helicopters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeAtseioCqY

Jimbuna

07-31-22, 06:37 AM

The momentum is stronly on the side of Liz Truss.

Tory leadership: Tom Tugendhat backs Liz Truss

Former Tory leadership contender Tom Tugendhat has become the latest senior Conservative to back Liz Truss in the contest.

Mr Tugendhat, who was knocked out in fifth place, said the foreign secretary could unite the Conservative Party.

Writing in The Times, he said Ms Truss's international experience also persuaded him to endorse her.

Ms Truss and former chancellor Rishi Sunak are the final candidates in the contest to replace Boris Johnson.

Mr Tugendhat's endorsement of Ms Truss, who is now seen as the frontrunner in the contest, follows that of Defence Secretary Ben Wallace on Thursday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62354297

Jimbuna

07-31-22, 07:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBSbQo62WfQ

Jimbuna

08-01-22, 06:29 AM

The latest bribe and coming from a man who is richer than our Queen.

I wonder who will benefit the most? :hmmm:

Rishi Sunak has said he will cut the basic rate of income tax from 20% to 16% by the end of the next parliament if he becomes prime minister.

This would amount to a 20% tax reduction, he said - the "largest cut to income tax in 30 years".

But supporters of his Tory rival Liz Truss have accused the ex-chancellor of a U-turn on the issue and said that people cannot wait for tax cuts.

Conservative Party members will start receiving ballot papers later.

The winner of the leadership contest will be announced on 5 September, with Mr Sunak and Ms Truss competing for the No 10 job.

Mr Sunak said the policy is part of his "radical" tax vision, but it builds on his previously-announced 1p cut to income tax in April 2024.

He said he will take a further 3p off by the end of the next parliament, which could be as late as December 2029.

Supporters of Ms Truss said she would "cut taxes in seven weeks, not seven years", as she has pledged to scrap April's National Insurance rise, cancel a planned corporation tax rise and temporarily suspend green levies on energy bills.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62373675

mapuc

08-01-22, 06:32 AM

Don't tell me that a majority of the Torie member believe this ?

Those who on Sept. 5th has to decide who shall lead the Tories after B.J.

Markus

Jimbuna

08-01-22, 06:37 AM

I still believe Truss will win.

mapuc

08-01-22, 06:48 AM

I still believe Truss will win.

I think so too. It was this sentence:

"Rishi Sunak has said he will cut the basic rate of income tax from 20% to 16% by the end of the next parliament if he becomes prime minister."

Which made me write "Don't tell me...

For me it sounds like words from a desperate politician.

Markus

Jimbuna

08-01-22, 06:53 AM

Only desperate to be the next PM

Jimbuna

08-04-22, 06:10 AM

Tonight the pair (Truss and Sunak) will go head to head in a televised debate on Sky News at 8pm in front of a live audience.

I wonder what promises we will hear tonight and especially after the announcement (not an hour ago) by the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee that interest rates are rising from 1.25% to 1.75%.

Moonlight

08-05-22, 09:07 AM

Fishy Rishi has stabbed himself in the back now, the bleeding idiot doesn't know how to run a campaign never mind run the country, someone ought to sellotape his mouth shut before he makes any more cock ups like this one. Liz Truss will smack him round the head with this story and make him pay for de-levelling the country down.

Tory leadership: I took money out of deprived urban areas says Sunak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62436193

Jimbuna

08-06-22, 05:17 AM

When your worth £730 million I'm not sure he will be all that bothered.

Moonlight

08-07-22, 07:18 AM

^Yep!, I believe it's the prestige of being Prime Minister of the UK that he's after, well at the rate he's going he's only going to get this one chance and he's doing everything politically wrong to achieve that aim, the bleeding moron needs to engage his brain before his mouth in future. :haha:

Migrants
Nobody likes being taken for a fool – but that is the way voters have been treated over migrant crossings.

It is bad enough that Home Secretary Priti Patel has been unable to stop ever larger groups of individuals coming to the UK by this perilous and illegal route. Worse, we now know that we have been duped.

All this time, an army of well-intentioned but misguided Left-wing politicians, lawyers and do-gooders have been spinning the line that the vast majority of people who make these dangerous journeys are desperately fleeing war, persecution and terror.

It’s a narrative that suits the Government, playing into the generosity and compassion of the British people who believe that this country should offer refuge to innocent foreign nationals fleeing bullets and bombs.

Unfortunately, all too often it’s rubbish

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11088147/How-migrants-foot-soldiers-crime-gang-bosses-RICHARD-TICE-asks.html

Four in 10 Channel migrants are from ALBANIA - not a country devastated by war of famine - secret military file reveals
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11088107/Four-10-migrants-arriving-Britain-boats-war-free-Albania.html

Jimbuna

08-07-22, 12:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIkVvY8mIo

Jimbuna

08-07-22, 01:08 PM

Former Labour prime minister Gordon Brown has called for an emergency budget before the UK hits a "financial timebomb" this autumn.

Mr Brown said millions would be pushed "over the edge" if the government does not address the cost of living crisis.

Conservative leadership rivals Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak have clashed over how they will address high inflation.

He wants them to agree an emergency budget with PM Boris Johnson this week, or for parliament to be recalled.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62456429

Gordon Brown!

Heaven help us :o

Jimbuna

08-08-22, 02:09 PM

Boris Johnson has no plans to introduce big tax and spending measures before he leaves office to ease the cost-of-living crisis, Downing Street has said.

Business group leader Tony Danker has urged ministers to "grip the emerging crisis", arguing it "made no sense to wait" for the next PM to arrive.

And Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland's first minister, has called for an urgent meeting with the devolved governments.

Downing Street said it recognised the public were facing "challenging times".

However, Mr Johnson's spokesman argued it would be up to his successor to make any decisions on further help.

Mr Johnson is due to leave office in early September, and No 10 said "by convention it is not for this prime minister to make major fiscal interventions during this period".

Cabinet Office minister Kit Malthouse said the government had already and was continuing to do work on cost-of-living problems.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62467987

Jimbuna

08-09-22, 09:03 AM

Energy bills for a typical household could hit £4,266 next year, consultancy Cornwall Insight has warned.

The higher estimate means the average household would be paying £355 a month, instead of £164 a month currently.

The energy bill warning comes as the government rejected calls for further help on energy bills until a new prime minister is in place. The CBI business lobby group said it "made no sense to wait" for a new Conservative party leader.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62475171

Jimbuna

08-10-22, 08:34 AM

Many households are already falling behind on energy payments, even before bills go up further in October, and then January.

It's now being estimated that the average household could be paying £355 a month next year, instead of £164 a month currently.

Consumer expert Martin Lewis says it's "a national crisis" on the scale of the Covid pandemic.

But Education Secretary James Cleverly says there will not be any major support packages until parliament returns in September.

Tory leadership candidate Liz Truss has dismissed calls to agree immediate plans with her rival Rishi Sunak and outgoing PM Boris Johnson.

Citizens Advice meanwhile says: "Every day we hear from people who can't afford to turn the lights on or cook their kids a hot meal"

Top ministers are meeting energy giants on Thursday to discuss what can be done.

Jimbuna

08-10-22, 09:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5pF39OrZEo

Jimbuna

08-11-22, 07:13 AM

Rishi Sunak has said he would rather lose the Tory leadership race than "win on a false promise".

In a BBC interview, the former chancellor said he would tell people what "they needed to hear" and stay "true" to his values.

He added the next prime minister had a "moral responsibility" to support poorer households with payments for energy bills.

And he said rival Liz Truss's plan for tax cuts would not help the most needy.

He told the BBC's Nick Robinson he would spend billions of pounds on further targeted payments to pensioners and those on low incomes.

The plan marks a contrast with Foreign Secretary Ms Truss, who argues tax cuts are a more Conservative way to help with rising living costs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62496858

Jimbuna

08-11-22, 07:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-AxmHCapB8

Jimbuna

08-13-22, 05:17 AM

Another 'rat' leaving the sinking ship.

Sir Robert Buckland has become the first cabinet minister to publicly switch his support from Rishi Sunak to Liz Truss in the Tory leadership race.

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Sir Robert said Ms Truss was the "right person to take the country forward".

The Welsh Secretary had previously backed former chancellor Mr Sunak, citing his experience and judgement.

Mr Sunak won every vote among Tory MPs, but Ms Truss is now consistently tipped to win the backing of party members.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62528855

Jimbuna

08-13-22, 05:21 AM

It has been a long time since I believed anything this fool said but on this occasion I sincerely hope he is being truthful.

Boris Johnson has admitted the current help for people struggling with energy bills is not enough, and said he expects more money to follow.

Mr Johnson will step down as PM in September, but said he was "making sure there is extra cash" for his successor to provide additional support.

He also said people were starting to receive the money which the government announced earlier in the year.

The topic of rising bills has come to dominate the Tory leadership contest.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62516772

Moonlight

08-14-22, 08:31 AM

Water Privatisation has Failed the UK.

Thatcher's privatisation disaster, no long term strategy of any kind to upgrade the water infrastructure, and no water reservoirs built in the last 30 years either, this is the price the country is paying for Thatcher's dash for cash which went ahead at full throttle.
Billions of pounds have been paid out in dividends to shareholders over the years though, she wanted the minority to benefit and the majority to pay the price, and boy oh boy have we ****ing paid. :o Most of that money should have been spent on reservoirs and water pipe upgrades but the greed of the few takes precedence over small matters like that. :haha:

How to fix this mess.
Re-nationalise the water companies with no compensation given, they have had more in dividends paid out than they have put in, the teat is running dry and it's time for those who have milked it to this level to pay for it.

£3bn bonanza for fat cats: How investors (including the Chinese) took out cash that firms could have used to fix Britain's creaking water network
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11109475/How-water-investors-including-Chinese-took-cash-firms-use-fix-Britains-network.html

Jimbuna

08-14-22, 11:27 AM

Labour is to call for the energy price cap to be frozen this autumn, part of a plan to deal with the cost of living.

Sir Keir Starmer is expected to make the call on Monday, in which he will explain how Labour would pay for the plan if it was in power.

The cap - the maximum amount suppliers can charge customers for average use - is £1,971 a year.

But experts expect it to climb to around £3,500 a year and for every household to see steep rises in bills.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62537011

I'm all for that but it still doesn't make Labour a party fit to govern.

Jimbuna

08-15-22, 01:50 PM

Sir Keir Starmer has said Labour's plan to freeze energy prices for all consumers is justified by the scale of expected rises this winter.

He defended his call to spend £29bn on keeping bills down for everyone across the board, rather than more targeted payments.

Many millions - not just "the hardest up" - would find it hard to keep up with payments, he told the BBC.

He also claimed freezing prices for all would also help tame rising inflation.

All households are due to receive £400 payments to help with rising bills, with additional payments for the low-paid, pensioners and the disabled.

Labour has now suggested the £400 payments should be cancelled, with the government footing the the bill to keep the price cap at £1,971 a year for typical households between October and March.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62553338

Sounds much fairer but I would say that seeing as how I would then receive some financial help.

Jimbuna

08-16-22, 07:39 AM

Pay has fallen further behind the rising cost of living, according the latest official data.

While average wages rose 4.7% between April and June, that was outpaced by inflation - or price rises - which is growing at a much faster pace.

As a result, the "real value" of pay fell by 3%, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Household budgets are being hit by soaring energy bills as well as higher food and fuel costs.

The rise in prices has fuelled the UK inflation rate to a 40-year high. The latest inflation figure, due out on Wednesday, is forecast to be higher.

The gap between pay growth and inflation is the biggest since records began more than 20 years ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62550069

Catfish

08-17-22, 08:41 AM

"It'd be so tempting to support Liz Truss in becoming the next UK PM, followed by Dominic Raab, who should be followed by an ape with mediocre intelligence, because that's exactly what post-Brexit Britain would deserve ending up with. I wonder, though, if that'd be only pure evil on my part."
Not from me, but .. :hmmm:
:D

Skybird

08-17-22, 09:44 AM

Throughout the West, its the time of truths. All the accumulated follies and hopes and false beliefs the West based upon, crumble.

And with every relief packages paid out, the fire is extinguished with spilling more inflation into it.

This merry go round is a viscous circle. The only escape lies in that it completely derails and shatters. And that won't get funny. Not here, not there, nor anywhere.

Those who have no savings, will suffer what they must. Those who have savings, will loose a lot.

The recession is not a bad thing. It cuts away what is already dead and zombie in the economy, and puts the rest back to its true proportions, if only it is allowed to run long enough. Its a correction. Not the recession is the thing to fight against, but the rotten stuff it mercilessly exposes.

For many the ride will become brutal.

Things are out of control now.

Jimbuna

08-17-22, 11:34 AM

Soaring food costs have pushed UK inflation into double digits for the first time since 1982, with prices continuing to rise at their fastest rate for more than 40 years.

Inflation hit 10.1% in the 12 months to July, up from 9.4% in June, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

Soaring living costs are eating into household budgets, with prices rising faster than wages.

The Bank of England has said inflation could peak at more than 13% this year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62562025

Catfish

08-17-22, 02:59 PM

Not much to do with the UK directly, but since you (Jim) mentioned that somewhat earlier.. energy prices are going up here, not only gas but electricity.
We paid 74 Euros/month last and this year, new price from october on will be 192 Euros – at least.
Heating, oven, washing machine, refrigerator, computer, tv... no air condition or such but together with rising fuel prices, gas, materials.. will be hard to cope.

Skybird

08-18-22, 05:24 AM

True?

German media report Truss wants to end the "independence" of the central bank/Bank of England and wants to subject them to political instruction.

Jimbuna

08-18-22, 05:55 AM

Yeah, tis getting a little worrying now Kai.

Up until two months ago my energy bill was £70/month and has now risen to £163 and is expected to rise to £355 within the next four to six months.

Jimbuna

08-18-22, 05:57 AM

The Labour Party lost about 91,000 members last year, according its accounts.

The party had 432,213 members at the end of 2021, down from 523,332 in 2020.

Leader Sir Keir Starmer said party membership always declines between elections - but left-wing critics said Jeremy Corbyn's departure had sparked an "exodus" of members.

Labour is still thought to have more than twice as many members as the Conservative Party.

The Conservatives do not publish membership figures, but the party recently indicated that it was more than 160,000.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62582014

Gorpet

08-21-22, 03:37 AM

Jimbuna

08-22-22, 04:48 AM

Rishi Sunak says Tory leadership rival Liz Truss cannot afford tax cuts and cost-of-living help in his latest attack on her economic plans.

Mr Sunak said Ms Truss would put the public finances in "serious jeopardy" and stoke inflation if she becomes PM.

But Ms Truss's team said tax cuts were the best way to help people urgently with rising living costs.

Mr Sunak is trailing Ms Truss in polls of Tory members, with 12 days to go until voting closes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62628176

mapuc

08-24-22, 04:05 PM

Here In Denmark the war in Ukraine has been pushed down on the list of what our news channel is concentrating on beside domestic news. It is this story

A few times of the day-We are getting updates on the latest.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-62648427

Markus

Jimbuna

08-25-22, 08:43 AM

Conservative leadership: Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak policy guide

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60037657

Jimbuna

08-26-22, 04:11 AM

Foreign Secretary Liz Truss has been criticised after she said the "jury was still out" on French President Emmanuel Macron.

Her remark came as she was asked if Mr Macron was a "friend or foe" of the UK at a Tory leadership hustings.

She added that if elected PM she would judge him on "deeds not words".

But Labour's David Lammy accused Ms Truss of "a woeful lack of judgement", saying she had insulted one of "Britain's closest allies".

Ms Truss, widely seen as the clear front-runner to be the next Conservative leader and prime minister, made the remark at the penultimate leadership hustings in Norwich, to loud applause.

Her comment came at the end of the hustings during a series of "quickfire questions" posed by the host, TalkTV's Julia Hartley-Brewer.

When asked the same question Mr Sunak said Mr Macron was a "friend".

One Conservative minister said Ms Truss's comments had "completely undermined our relationship with France", calling her a "faux Thatcher", a reference to the infamously Eurosceptic former Tory prime minister.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62682448

Gorpet

08-27-22, 01:44 AM

Jimbuna

08-27-22, 12:02 PM

Emmanuel Macron has warned of "serious problems" for France-UK relations after the favourite to be the next British prime minister refused to say if the French president was "friend or foe".

Mr Macron reacted to remarks made by Foreign Secretary Liz Truss, who said the jury was out on the French leader.

Mr Macron insisted the UK remained an ally, despite the occasional error made by its leaders.

And Prime Minister Boris Johnson said Mr Macron was a "good buddy" of the UK.

Senior politicians have accused Ms Truss, who is the frontrunner in the contest to succeed Mr Johnson as prime minister next month, of damaging the UK's relationship with France, a close ally.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62687295

Jimbuna

08-28-22, 12:33 PM

This is it! Truss gives EU just TEN days in final ultimatum over hated deal

The Northern Ireland protocol, introduced as part of Boris Johnson's Brexit deal, kept Northern Ireland in the EU single market for goods, effectively creating a border in the Irish Sea - something Mr Johnson had promised voters would only happen "over my dead body". Tory leadership favourite Ms Truss will look to trigger Article 16, allowing the UK to act unilaterally on the protocol, as soon as the existing arrangements to ease checks on goods travelling between Northern Ireland and Great Britain expire on September 15, according to Government sources.

Article 16 can be triggered if the agreement is causing "serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties" or a "diversion of trade", and Ms Truss has warned: "I will not accept anything that does not deliver on the key issues I talked about."

A source close to the likely next Prime Minister told The Times that her preference remained for a "negotiated solution".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/this-is-it-truss-gives-eu-just-ten-days-in-final-ultimatum-over-hated-deal/ar-AA119MFd?ocid=mailsignout&li=AAnZ9Ug

Jimbuna

08-28-22, 01:57 PM

At least 25,000 migrants have crossed the English Channel to Kent so far in 2022, according to the latest figures from the Ministry of Defence.

A total of 915 people reached Kent in 19 small boats on Saturday.

Women and children were among a group brought ashore by an RNLI lifeboat at Dungeness.

There have been 8,747 crossings detected in August so far, with 3,733 in the past week. Monday saw 1,295, the highest daily total on record.

The provisional total of crossings for the year so far was now 25,146, according to the Ministry of Defence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-62705913

Jimbuna

08-31-22, 01:40 PM

Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak are set to make their final pitches to become Conservative leader in front of party members in London.

The two candidates are expected to face intense questioning over the cost-of-living crisis and plans to help households with energy bills.

The twelfth and last hustings comes after Truss cancelled a TV interview with the BBC's Nick Robinson scheduled for Tuesday evening.

At least 160,000 Conservative party members are voting for the next Tory leader - and UK prime minister - with the ballot closing at 1700 on Friday.

The UK will find out who its new prime minister will be in five days - on Monday.

Jimbuna

08-31-22, 01:42 PM

Boris Johnson resignation: Did the outgoing prime minister meet his pledges?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58401767

Catfish

09-01-22, 02:46 AM

This (^) is a very friendly approach :haha:

Jimbuna

09-01-22, 07:06 AM

Conservative leadership candidates compared: Liz Truss v Rishi Sunak

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60037657

Jimbuna

09-03-22, 02:00 PM

Eight people have been arrested after climate activists glued themselves together around the Speaker's chair in the House of Commons.

The protestors, from Extinction Rebellion UK, were on a guided tour of Parliament when they took the action, a spokeswoman said.

MPs are currently on their summer break, and are due to return next week.

The Met Police said it had launched an investigation into the "full circumstances of the incident".

The protesters read out a speech demanding a "citizens' assembly" on climate issues, the group said.

Other demonstrators were pictured draping banners outside Parliament.

Extinction Rebellion spokeswoman Nuala Lam told BBC News around 50 people had taken part in action in and around the Palace of Westminster.

She added the activists were calling for a "democratic system" that allows "ordinary people to be consulted" on climate change issue.

"I understand there is is some singing going on, and I think that security and police are there," she added.

Following the arrests, the Met Police said in a statement: "Four protesters who were present in the chambers and had glued themselves to each other were de-bonded and arrested.

"None of these protesters were glued to the Speaker's chair and there has been no damage to the Speaker's chair.

Two others - one who had climbed onto scaffolding outside Parliament and another who had glued themself to the pavement inside parliamentary premises - were also arrested, the force said.

Another two protesters who had locked themselves to the Carriage Gates were removed and also arrested.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62767480

Jimbuna

09-04-22, 01:32 PM

Liz Truss has promised to announce a plan to deal with soaring energy costs within a week if she becomes prime minister on Tuesday.

The Tory leadership hopeful, the favourite according to pollsters, told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg she would "act immediately" to help with bills.

But she offered no details, saying she would need time in office first in order to finalise exact proposals.

Her rival Rishi Sunak said he would target further payments at the poorest.

One of the two contenders will be announced as the next Tory leader on Monday, and will replace Boris Johnson in Downing Street the next day.

They have come under pressure to spell out how they would protect households with rising bills, as well as give help to businesses, which are not covered by the domestic price cap.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62786065

Catfish

09-05-22, 03:20 AM

re Liz T.
"Giving handouts to the wealthy voters that back her party will fix all the UK's problems. What was done wrong before was not giving billionaires enough money. Maybe if they just get a little more there will be that golden rain one day."
via Imgur :haha:

Jimbuna

09-05-22, 05:33 AM

A freeze on energy bills is one of a number of options for tackling the soaring cost of gas and electricity due to be presented to the new prime minister this week.

BBC News has been told a menu of options has been worked up in Whitehall to help struggling households.

Energy industry sources are optimistic the government will back a plan to freeze the energy cap.

Either Rishi Sunak or Liz Truss will be announced as the new PM later today.

Ms Truss's team is understood to have been working on a support package for energy bills "for weeks" and an announcement on what they will do is pencilled in for this Thursday.

"Lots of measures have been considered, some have progressed and some have not" a source said. Her team do not deny they might introduce a freeze on energy bills.

There have been multiple meetings between the energy industry and government, including ministers close to Ms Truss, who is seen as the front runner to replace Boris Johnson.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62791113

Skybird

09-05-22, 07:39 AM

Truss it is. Herzliches Beileid. Could happen if the only choice is between pest and cholera.

Catfish

09-05-22, 08:22 AM

When i first became aware of this abomination woman i would never have thought that it would be just of all her to become pm one day.
Not (yet) converted to be a russian troll, and yes i know what a representative democracy is, but could it be all this is not much of a democracy at work? :hmmm:

Congratulations.

Platapus

09-05-22, 03:12 PM

But she offered no details, saying she would need time in office first in order to finalise exact proposals.

Isn't that like purchasing a swine in a shed?

Trust me that I will fix the problems, but I won't tell you the details until it is too late.

Rockstar

09-05-22, 03:48 PM

Lol, kinda like “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it..”

mapuc

09-05-22, 04:11 PM

This new Leader of Tories and the new P.M is she a modern version of Margaret Thatcher ?

Markus

MGR1

09-05-22, 04:44 PM

This new Leader of Tories and the new P.M is she a modern version of Margaret Thatcher ?

Markus
She'll try to be (the Tory Party grassroots seem to have a "dommy mommy" fixation), but she doesn't appear to have the wit or intelligence.

As much as detest Sturgeon and the SNP, I think Truss would lose in a cat fight between the two.

Mike.

Skybird

09-06-22, 02:21 AM

This new Leader of Tories and the new P.M is she a modern version of Margaret Thatcher ?

Markusshe is a turncoat, proven. Thatcher stuck to her principles, against resistence.

Catfish

09-06-22, 02:22 AM

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, I have others." (Marx)
.. Groucho, of course
Just the best humanity has up its sleeve :88)

JU_88

09-06-22, 02:44 AM

Well both Liz and Rishi have buddy buddy ties to Engergy companies, so dont expect any action from them to reduce your bills this winter.
Conservative party should just be called the 'sellout party' at this point, they have zero principles or values, they'll just do what ever it takes to stay in power and line their mates (and their own) pockets.
At least the Labour party have some principles even if they are Clueless sheltered middle class activist ones the University Campuses shat out 10 years ago- they have SOME at least.

Skybird

09-06-22, 04:32 AM

Naughty! The strongly left-leaning, woke Süddeutsche Zeitung comments:

Like a five-year-old who has just run into a door: the new head of the UK government is Liz Truss - and she is stumbling from one gaffe to the next. By January, the kingdom will be dysfunctional.

:haha:

Jimbuna

09-06-22, 06:01 AM

I'm all for giving her a chance and hopefully she will do better than that of Germany's 'efforts' for their citizens.

Soaring household bills look set to be subsidised by energy companies using government-backed loans.

It's thought the government plans to freeze household bills at their current level for roughly 18 months.

Small business are also expected to be offered some relief in the plan set to be announced on Thursday.

Incoming Prime Minister Liz Truss used her victory speech on Monday to pledge to "deliver on the energy crisis" - with a price freeze widely expected.

Energy bills are rocketing and the cap on prices will go up on 1 October, meaning a typical British household is set to pay £3,549 a year on gas and electricity.

Energy bosses have insisted for some time that a government-backed superfund from which they could borrow to subsidise bills "is the only game in town".

Under such a plan, the government would guarantee loans to energy companies that would be used to freeze or at least lower bills this winter and beyond. These loans would be repaid from bills over the next 10 to 20 years.

Scottish Power has said that freezing all bills at the current price cap of £1,971 for two years would cost nearly £100bn.

However, Dermot Nolan, former chief executive of energy regulator Ofgem, warned that this estimate could be "conservative", and also questioned how much it would benefit the most vulnerable.

"This kind of price freeze means that a multimillionaire will get exactly the same level of protection as everybody else," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"I hope that at the very least the £400 that is currently being given to more vulnerable people is kept, and hopefully extended," he added.

He said there were a number of questions about what a price freeze would mean in practice, including how long the support would last, and whether it would mean higher energy bills over time.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62801913

Jimbuna

09-06-22, 06:04 AM

One alternative.....Heaven help us.

https://i.postimg.cc/130dV8gS/1111.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fVLC6Tjq)
https://i.postimg.cc/3wKcX3pv/2222.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

09-06-22, 10:23 AM

Two in the same day.

https://i.postimg.cc/t4xL9XG0/Untitled.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Skybird

09-06-22, 10:34 AM

She must govern against her party, and against her people, and against the EU.

Her party still favours Johnson, massively. Her people, I read only 13% would vote for her, she would loose against Starmer. She is expected and demanded to attack the EU agreements, but if she does that, the UK gets what it in no way currently is fit for: a trade war, and that after corona, war, inflation, energy prices. A killer crisis.

That all is so self-contradictory, I cannot see her to succeed.

If she becomes a turncoat again and appeases the EU (,mind you, orogoinally she was a remainer), her party will hate her. If she sticks with her promises and goes against the EU, she will crush the UK.

We will never know if and how Brexit would have worked out if these many crisis would not have coincided with it. But now all these crisis are there, and Brexit in the midst of it. "Women and children first."

And there is potential for more conflict with the EU. The UK is a country with many household boilers and gas heaters, and a big consumer of gas. And while it has quite some natural gas and imports lots of LNG, it has little reserve storage facilities, and so depends desperately on a constant flow of incoming/newly produced gas, its storage capacity is 13 times smaller than that of Germany. Its likely that in winter the UK will and need to cut the supplies it exports to Europe via pipelines to Belgium and Holland, therefore. And that will not be appreciated in Brussels and countries on the continent. I see the conflict as inevitable.

(Germany has the by far biggest storage capacity in all Europe, but even if these are filled up, that gas would not bring us over the winter - it still needs constant imports of gas).

mapuc

09-06-22, 10:36 AM

And the Labour party weren't "On the side of oil and gas companies" When they had to key to number 10 ?

Markus

Jimbuna

09-06-22, 10:41 AM

Jimbuna

09-06-22, 11:16 AM

Same show, different clown.

https://i.postimg.cc/YC8RYZHn/305451272-5706965376015891-8806396093958772923-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/21bnfH3h)

Catfish

09-06-22, 01:16 PM

^ love the blue sign .. russian money and laundering it is safe in Switzerland and London :haha:

You wrote "Give her a chance", ok and what else can you and we do?
And if she screws it up exactly what will happen? Nothing.
Honestly after some of her speeches and what was written i think she is not quite right in her head.
The dialogue/interview with Sunak was such a clear win for Sunak that I do not understand the outcome of the vote.
(But then of course i understand, it always is about donations and advantages given to those really in charge).

Yes yes, a chance, maybe she will disprove the critics. I hope so, we could all need it, even the rest of Europe and the EU.

Jimbuna

09-06-22, 02:48 PM

Skybird

09-06-22, 04:25 PM

Same like in Germany. None of them all is suitable to lead a government or country.

I red a comparison between Thatcher and Truss somewhere today, after that it is clear to me that Truss does not even rank close to Thatcher. Thatcher was a rational and deep thinker, and she called surprisignly many people into her closest circle of advisors and cabinet who did not agree at all with her. She did so because she did not want servile Yes-sayers, but "opponents" asking her questiosn and giving her different views toi her own, that she then considered (and rejected mostly :) , but not for no reason). Truss does exactly the opposite , she only collects Yes-sayers and loyalists around her so far. I also have not heard anything from her that gave me the impression that she is an especially bright light. And certainly no rational deep thinker.

Give her a chance? Why not. In an endless universe anythign seems to be possible, so why not this.

I would not have had Sunak either btw. As I said: nobody suitable in sight, nowhere. Not in the UK, not in germany, not on EU level. All political cabinets seem to have been called up by Madame Tussaud these days.

Jimbuna

09-07-22, 09:16 AM

New cabinet: Who is in Liz Truss's top team?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62796077

Jimbuna

09-07-22, 09:22 AM

Liz Truss and Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer have clashed over how to fund energy bills support at her first Prime Minister's Questions.

Truss promised to help people with soaring energy bills, but ruled out a new windfall tax on energy producers.

But Sir Keir said "the money's got to come from somewhere" after Truss also pledged to cut taxes.

The PM has vowed to increase energy supply with more North Sea gas and nuclear energy stations.

Her government is set to announce a package of support with energy bills tomorrow and her cabinet discussed this during its first meeting this morning.

Truss has appointed the most diverse cabinet in history, with no white men in any of the top four jobs.

She has appointed Kwasi Kwarteng as chancellor, James Cleverly as foreign secretary and Suella Braverman as home secretary.

Jimbuna

09-07-22, 10:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icXmKG7YYwE

Jimbuna

09-08-22, 06:17 AM

Prime Minister Liz Truss has announced plans to cap average household energy bills at £2,500 a year from October.

The support will last for two years, she announces in the Commons, saying "this is the moment to be bold"

A typical household's gas and electricity bill had been due to rise from £1,971 to £3,549 in October.

Businesses are also getting a support package for six months which will provide "equivalent support"

After the six-month period, further support will be targeted at "vulnerable industries", Truss says.

The government is also lifting the ban on fracking - which involves extracting gas and oil from shale rock.

mapuc

09-08-22, 12:59 PM

It was wrong of me to post this on the day of the British Queen Elizabeth death

Markus

Jimbuna

09-08-22, 01:11 PM

^ I'll not type a response in public on the above Markus but is this the right time so early after her passing...

mapuc

09-08-22, 01:17 PM

^ I'll not type a response in public on the above Markus but is this the right time so early after her passing...

You are right I feel ashamed (The post will be erased)

Markus

Jimbuna

09-12-22, 01:21 PM

A mini Budget to outline how the government intends to pay for measures to tackle the cost-of-living crisis is still set to take place this month.

Politics has largely been put on hold during the 10-day period of mourning for the Queen, which lasts until her funeral on Monday.

But No 10 said it would deliver a "fiscal event" this month.

Some new ministers are also yet to be appointed, after Liz Truss became prime minister last Tuesday.

Jimbuna

09-17-22, 02:18 PM

A mini Budget to deliver tax cuts promised by Liz Truss during her Tory leadership campaign will take place on Friday next week, it is understood.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62917548

Jimbuna

09-19-22, 09:00 AM

The indyref2 questions facing the Supreme Court

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61974087

Jimbuna

09-20-22, 07:24 AM

The prime minister has said that higher energy bills "are a price worth paying" for the UK's long-term security.

Liz Truss is in New York for the UN General Assembly where she will use her speech to rally support for Ukraine.

Typical household energy bills will rise to £2,500 a year from 1 October, in part due to reductions in Russian gas exports during the war in Ukraine.

Ms Truss said the UK "cannot jeopardise our security for the sake of cheap energy".

Speaking to BBC Political Editor Chris Mason on her flight to New York, Ms Truss said higher fuel bills were "a price worth paying for Britain, because our long-term security is paramount".

But she said plans to be outlined later this week would curb future energy bill increases, and "guarantee" that households "won't have to pay fuel bills that are unaffordable".

Labour have said plans set out by Ms Truss "will not cut bills, nor will they strengthen our energy security".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62968072

Jimbuna

09-21-22, 06:12 AM

UK considers joining new European nations club

The UK is weighing up whether to attend a new European political "club of nations" next month.

The first meeting of the "European Political Community" is due to be held in Prague in early October.

Downing Street wants to see more detail on the summit before Prime Minister Liz Truss commits to attending it and no final decision has been made.

The European Political Community is an idea championed by the French President Emmanuel Macron.

He proposed it, in May, as a "new space" for co-operation.

Mr Macron suggested the group could discuss security, energy and transport as well as the movement of people, particularly the young.

The broad intention is to establish a forum that goes beyond the immediate 27 EU member states.

Similar ideas have been floated for decades but this is the first big push for such a forum since Brexit.

UK officials are said to be seeking assurances that the meeting will not be too dominated by EU countries or institutions.

Britain would want to see other "big players" from outside the EU in attendance.

All 27 members of the EU are set to be invited as well as the UK, Ukraine, Norway, Switzerland and Turkey.

Six Western Balkans nations are also likely to be invited, along with Iceland, Liechtenstein, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.

EU officials have told the BBC that a "save the date" memo has gone to capitals, with formal invitations to follow.

But, before responding, there are indications Britain also wants to consult Ukraine's government, as well as the defensive military alliance, Nato.

The inaugural meeting of the "European Political Community" is due to take place on 6 October in the Czech capital, Prague.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62967084

Jimbuna

09-21-22, 06:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf1l4X-elv4

Moonlight

09-25-22, 06:53 AM

Kwasinomics
Well, all I can say is this mini budget will put the country in even more debt than we've ever been in before, I think that the £3 Trillion National debt could be hit in our lifetime and it's mostly down to Tory Failed Economics. What we've had in Westminster since the year 2010 is University types who have never experienced the real life struggles that the peasants go through on a daily basis, if they had that experience to call on, just maybe, they might have seen their way out of this mess, as it is, the British Class System is bringing the country down to its knees.
Jobs for the boys, it's not what you know but who you know, that's what is wrong here, no one has been getting promoted on merit and over time we've ended up with these bleeding failures, and it will only get worse as time goes by.

At a glance: What's in the mini-budget?
Income tax
A cut in the basic rate of income tax to 18% would have been better, and he should have kept the 45% higher rate of income tax too.
Cut in basic rate of income tax to 19% from April 2023
Government estimates 31 million people getting £170 a year more
Currently, people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland pay 20% on any annual earning between £12,571 to £50,270 - rates in Scotland are different
45% higher rate of income tax abolished for England, Wales and Northern Ireland taxpayers
One single higher rate of income tax of 40% from April next year

National Insurance
Nothing to complain about here.
Reverse recent rise in National Insurance (NI) from 6 November
Workers and employers have paid an extra 1.25p in the pound since April
New Health and Social Care Levy to pay for the NHS will not be introduced.

Corporation tax
This should have been left as it is, it's a tax on the profits a company makes, if you don't make profits you don't get taxed on it, simples.
Cancel UK-wide rise in corporation tax which was due to increase from 19% to 25% in April 2023.

Benefits
Here we go again, it's always the working classes at fault and not the tax dodgers, let me remind you once again Kwasimodo that tax dodgers cost the country at least 10 times more in lost revenue than the working classes cost in benefits. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you bleeding moron. :O:
Rules around universal credit tightened, by reducing benefits if people don't fulfil job search commitments
Around 120,000 more people on Universal Credit to be asked to take steps to seek more work, or face having their benefits reduced
Jobseekers over 50 to be given extra time with work coaches to help them return to job market

Stamp duty
200,000 more people will be taken out of paying stamp duty altogether the government claims, they pull these numbers out of thin air just like Theresa May's magic money tree.
Cut to stamp duty which is paid when people buy a property in England and Northern Ireland
No stamp duty on first £250,000 and for first time buyers that rises to £425,000 - comes into operation today
200,000 more people will be taken out of paying stamp duty altogether, government claims

Energy
I don't think this will do any good at all, it won't bring your energy bill down and that's a fact.
Freeze on energy bills, which the government claims will reduce inflation by 5 percentage points.
Total cost for the energy package expected to be around £60bn for the six months from October

Bankers' bonuses
Kwasi you thick currant, all the banks did to counter that was to increase their salary, just how thick are you and Truss?.
Rules which limit bankers' bonuses scrapped
Package of regulatory reforms to be set out later in the autumn

Shopping
WTF is this bollocks Kwasi, you should be helping the peasants of England out instead of some bleeding wealthy foreigners. I can see what you're up to Kwasi, get everyone in a drunken stupor so that they couldn't care what you're bleeding doing :o
VAT-free shopping for overseas visitors
Planned increases in the duties on beer, for cider, for wine, and for spirits cancelled

Jimbuna

09-26-22, 11:50 AM

The Bank of England says it won't hesitate to raise interest rates by as much as needed to return inflation to the 2% target.

It says it is monitoring developments in the financial markets very closely, after the pound fell to a record low this morning.

Meanwhile, the Treasury has confirmed it will set out a medium-term fiscal plan on 23 November - seen as a bid to calm the markets.

It will come with an Office for Budget Responsibility forecast - an independent assessment of the nation's finances.

The raft of tax cuts announced by the chancellor on Friday did not come with an OBR report.

A low pound means it will cost more to import commodities - including oil and gas - that are priced in dollars.

Jimbuna

09-26-22, 11:53 AM

Five ways the falling pound could affect your money

Higher prices: A fall in the value of the pound against other currencies will increase the price of goods and services we import. Firms could pass on higher prices to customers.

Fuel bills: Oil prices are based on the dollar means that petrol and diesel could be more expensive. Although oil prices have been falling in recent weeks, drivers are not likely to see the benefit at the pump due to the slide in the value of the pound.

Stronger sales for UK firms who sell goods abroad: A cheaper pound makes it less expensive for people from around the globe to buy goods and services from British firms, making them more competitive.

Higher repayments for some mortgages: Some two million people in the UK on a tracker or variable rate mortgage could see their monthly costs going up even further as a result.

More expensive trips abroad: The plunge in the pound means that holiday money won't stretch as far on things such as hotels and meals out - especially in the US.

Jimbuna

09-27-22, 10:46 AM

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer attempts to reposition the Labour Party in a major speech to conference in Liverpool.

Sir Keir promises a "fresh start" for the UK, and pledges to invest in the NHS, green energy and "spread opportunity to all"

He says the Conservative government has lost control of the economy with its tax cutting agenda - "don't forget, don't forgive", he says.

He says they "crashed the pound" and vowed to get the UK out of an "endless cycle of crisis"

He says the war in Ukraine was the spark that caused rising energy costs, but that the country was not in a position to deal with it.

He pledges to set up a publicly-owned green energy company within a year if he is elected, with 100% clean power by 2030

And he vowed that a Labour government would "make Brexit work" and "deliver change" in Scotland - but would not do a deal with the SNP

Catfish

09-27-22, 01:43 PM

^ The NHS is a good thing in my book.
"Make brexit work" will still be the winning party slogan of a hundred years ahead.
But as long as uk politicians promise to "make brexit work" to a majority of people that really rejected it (brexit getting a small majority just by some being too lazy to vote) such promises probably will not have the desired effect.
:O:

Jimbuna

09-28-22, 06:49 AM

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Jimbuna

09-28-22, 06:53 AM

The Bank of England announces it will step in to calm markets after the government's tax-cutting plans causes the pound to slide.

The Bank said it would buy government bonds on a temporary basis to help "restore orderly market conditions"

The pound tumbled to $1.05 after the news, down almost 1.6% against the dollar.

It comes as financial leaders react to the International Monetary Fund's criticism of the UK's tax-cut plan.

In its unusually blunt statement, the IMF says the £45bn proposal is risky and will "likely increase inequality"

It says the government's planned fiscal statement on 23 November could be an early chance to "re-evaluate" the tax changes.

But Labour leader Keir Starmer calls on the government to "urgently review" the plan before then.

UK Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng has strongly defended the tax cuts - he is meeting with investment banks today.

Jimbuna

09-28-22, 11:58 AM

Minister rejects U-turn on tax-cutting mini-Budget

A Treasury minister has rejected calls for the government to abandon last week's mini-Budget in the face of market turmoil.

Labour has called on ministers to ditch the proposals after they sparked a fall in the pound and a surge in borrowing costs.

But Financial Secretary to the Treasury Andrew Griffith said they were the "right plans" to grow the UK economy.

He claimed "every major economy is dealing with exactly the same issues".

Mr Griffith said the £45bn package of tax cuts announced last week would repair "underlying problems in the economy".

He added the Bank of England had "done their job" by announcing it would buy government debt to stabilise the economy.

Mr Griffith is the first minister to comment on the market turmoil in the last few days that has seen the pound drop to record lows against the dollar.

Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng, who unveiled the tax-cutting package last Friday, is yet to speak publicly on the effect of the package on markets.

Speaking to broadcasters, Mr Griffith insisted the UK had a "very strong balance sheet" and one of the lowest debt to GDP ratios of major economies.

Asked whether the government had any plans to change Friday's measures, he replied: "We think they're the right plans, because those plans make our economy competitive".

"At the end of the day, that's ultimately what we've got to do," he said, saying ministers were focused on "getting on and delivering" its plans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63067163

Jimbuna

09-28-22, 12:52 PM

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Jimbuna

10-03-22, 06:25 AM

The government is abandoning its plan to abolish the top rate of income tax for the highest earners following a growing backlash.

Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng say "it is clear that the abolition of the 45p tax rate has become a distraction", adding "we get it, and we have listened"

The U-turn comes after several senior Tory MPs voiced their opposition to the plan, announced just 10 days ago in the mini-budget.

As the Conservative Party conference started in Birmingham on Sunday, Prime Minister Liz Truss vowed she would not abandon the policy.

But Kwarteng now insists he and the PM agree they must scrap the tax cut.

He adds the government can now "move forward with making the push for the growth plan", and says he has not considered resigning.

The proposal to scrap the rate paid by people earning over £150,000 a year had been criticised as unfair at time of rising living costs.

Skybird

10-03-22, 06:52 AM

No matter which country and capitol I look at these days, the sight is always the same: a madhouse. The staff and nurses are locked out, the patients run the institution and dress and pose as directors.

Reminds me of that movie "Stonehearst Asylum", based on E.A. Poe: "The system of Doctor Tarr and Professor Fether".

Jimbuna

10-03-22, 07:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuK3JmwqDmE

Jimbuna

10-06-22, 01:51 PM

Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney has said he does not believe the dispute over the Northern Ireland Protocol will be solved within weeks.

The UK and EU are holding technical talks over the protocol on Thursday afternoon, in a bid to make progress.

The meeting will be via video link, with a timetable for further negotiations yet to be confirmed.

Mr Coveney is also due to meet Foreign Secretary James Cleverly on Thursday evening.

Earlier, Mr Coveney told the Dail (Irish Parliament) that his meeting with Mr Cleverly would "focus on timelines and subjects where we think it's possible to make progress sooner rather than later".

"I don't believe it's going to be possible to resolve the issues linked to the implementation of the protocol by 28 October," he added.

"But I do think we can make significant progress on some of the issues that really matter to the people of Northern Ireland - in particular to the unionist community and the business community."

Under current rules, if devolution is not restored by 28 October, Northern Ireland Secretary Chris Heaton-Harris is obliged to set a date for a fresh Stormont election.

He has rejected suggestions the government would delay the deadline if talks on the protocol have not made progress by then and said he would "push the button" on an election, if required.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-63151898