I think I found my new home!

[TarJak]

She never said you were the youngest. I'm far from being the oldest here, but I get the brunt of the jokes. Why? Because I post constantly and make no bones about my age. You do the same, so you have to expect some ribbing. Don't be so defensive - nobody's out to get you. :sunny:


Don't be so sure about that. Paranoia can sometimes be a good thing.:O:

[Red October1984]

Don't be so sure about that. Paranoia can sometimes be a good thing.:O:

I'm paranoid on here because I don't know any of you! :03:

[Spiced_Rum]

I'm paranoid on here because I don't know any of you! :03:

Although we know you...

[TarJak]

And we know where you live.:03:

[Red October1984]

And we know where you live.:03:

I'm going to need to see some proof there pal. :)

[frau kaleun]

Yesterday's projects:

Had these slide-outs in the apartment and finally decided to put them in the base cabinet next to the sink - kind of a no-brainer since it's the only kitchen cabinet narrow enough for them to go in without wasting a lot of space.

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/8130/21os.jpg

The rubber safety caps on the bottom one had falllen off and I can't remember when they did that... it's possible that they fell off in removing them or in packing them up and are floating around here somewhere in the bottom of a box or one of the many collections of odds, ends, and "what the hell is this thing"s that I've amassed over the last two months. :haha:

Anyhoo, if I find 'em I'll slap 'em on there, if not I'll figure out something else or just leave it like that.

Later in the day I decided to tackle the sagging kitchen countertop issue, seeing as how I finally got to Lowe's on Friday and picked up these little helpers:

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/6279/ecd5.jpg

Hammered them into the space under the counter from inside the cabinet, worked like a charm!

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Once I had the counter raised up enough along the middle, I was able to get my "support beam" in place

http://imageshack.us/a/img507/121/n9o4.jpg

and slide it out to brace the previously unsupported center of the countertop.

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/3035/2j4o.jpg

Then it was just a matter of wiggling it into a good spot to be secured to the existing structure, for which I once again raided my small personal hardware collection. :O:

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/7684/te1c.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img401/7407/nui7.jpg

No more saggy countertop! :woot:

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http://imageshack.us/a/img4/9041/vrni.jpg

:rock:

And to the victor, my friends, go the spoils.

http://imageshack.us/a/img9/6629/xgfc.jpg

OM NOM NOM.

And now, gentlemen, you know what I did for a Klondike Bar. :O:

[BrucePartington]

Very nice Frau. Keep'em coming. I think it's safe to say we all relate to "Home Sweet Home".:up:

[Sailor Steve]

Most impressive! You could hire out on the side.

You could demand a lot more than a Klondike bar. :yep:

[Red October1984]

Nice Frau!

And I agree with Steve. You could demand at least a crate of Klondike Bars. :)

[Wolferz]

I'm hungry.:dead:

[Sailor Steve]

I'm hungry.:dead:
Well, get to work! :O:

[nikimcbee]

Oh-fically started house hunting on Friday.:yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Most impressed :cool:

[TarJak]

Impressive tool work Frau and a fitting reward.

Oh-fically started house hunting on Friday.:yeah:

:timeout:We need a separate thread on this search. C'mon Jason you know you want to.

[vienna]

Again, late to the game; been off for a couple of days...

Regarding The Marx Brothers, I have been a lifelong fan of their work. I once even dragged my first ex to a clandestine screening of one of their "unavailable" film being held in the basement hal of a UCLA frat. (A couple of the Marx's films were taken out of circulation due to disputes over releasing rights, now long settled. The only way to see those films was if someone had a bootleg print.) I have had the joy of introducing many people to the joys of the Marx Brothers over the years, much in the same way I have been able to introducew them to the early films of Woody Allen and Mel Brooks...

Here is one of my favorite scenes where Groucho, as President of a mythical country holds a cabinet meeting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsW-atvN9y0

And the infamous "What's the Password" scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySqec8WrEQQ


I'm glad, Frau, you were able to resolve you countertop problem. Does this now establish you as an expert in counter intelligence?...


Frau is the epitome of style, grace and class.:up:
I would also add brave and adventurous. A true Buckeye.



Perhaps...

But has she ever won a Buckeye Newshawk Award?...

http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/b/b6/Les_Nessman.jpg


<O>

[frau kaleun]

@ vienna: LOL!

Well I do feel good about getting the countertop taken care of, I may add some more support later on but for now I think it's good. At least with it level I've been able to start sitting things out where I want them to go which frees up room I need in other places.

I did get quite a lot accomplished today, got all the kitchen drawers organized and things put away in them where they need to go. I *think* all my kitchen utensils, etc., are accounted for with a place to call home and if there's something I haven't yet found and unpacked it can't be much.

Got a lot of stuff sorted as to where it will sit on the counters and figured out what I'm gonna do where for the most part. Still need to take care of the sagging half shelf in the peninsula cabinet, I have some pretty heavy duty shelf brackets that would probably do the trick but there's no framing there I can attach one to - the back of the cabinet is too thin to screw anything into. I'll have to find or cut something the right size to wedge up against the cabinet back between the base and the bottom of the shelf and attach the bracket to that. :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

A place for every thing and every thing in its' place.:up:

I like the way you shimmy too.:03::D

[frau kaleun]

HOW TO FIX A SAGGING HALF SHELF IN A KITCHEN BASE CABINET,
by Frau Kaleun

Step one: go to Lowe's and spend a hundred dollars. Not because you need that much stuff to do the job, but for the simple reason that it has now become impossible to go to Lowe's and NOT spend a hundred dollars.

Step two: go to Jimmy John's and get something for dinner, because they are freaky fast and you don't have time to fool around either making your own dinner or waiting on someone else to make it. YOU HAVE A SHELF TO FIX, DAMMIT!

Step three: go home and eat your dinner while standing over the kitchen counter looking at the bag full of stuff you bought at Lowe's and wondering why so much of it has nothing whatsoever to do with the job you are about to tackle.

Step four: forget about the job you were about to tackle while playing around with the cool new flashlight you just bought at Lowe's. Put batteries in flashlight. Read directions on back of package warning you about intensity of light beam produced by said flashlight, and instructing you not to shine beam directly into your own eyes.

Step five: turn on flashlight. Shine beam directly into your own eyes.

Step six: blink profusely for several seconds until normal vision returns. Store flashlight in back of kitchen junk drawer pending day when sun burns out and entire solar system descends into the perennial blackness of unlit space.

Step seven: realize that after working late, going to Lowe's and spending a hundred dollars, eating dinner, playing with flashlight, and sorting through the rest of the stuff you bought, you are now too tired to mess with the stupid saggy half shelf and it's almost nine o'clock and oh look there's another Top Gear marathon on BBC America.

Step eight: go watch Top Gear. During commercials, wander back into kitchen to refill glass. Open kitchen junk drawer and admire new flashlight. Wonder if it has a 'stun' setting more appropriate for basic home use. Resist temptation to shine it into your own eyes again just to be sure.

Step nine: look at other stuff you bought at Lowe's and think about how when you get home tomorrow you are gonna fix the hell out of that shelf, yessirree no two ways about it. Consider the fact that you have a second long half shelf in another base cabinet that isn't sagging yet, but doesn't have any center support either. Realize that you only have one white shelf bracket.

Step ten: go to Lowe's and spend a hundred dollars.

[TarJak]

Wash, rinse repeat?:D

[Wolferz]

That's like working up a lather and the hot water heater fails, explodes violently through the roof and creates numerous new projects to tackle.:huh:

At least you'll have a flashlight.:sunny:
Did you buy duct tape?


This is where women differ from men...
Shopping.
We know what the quarry is, we hunt it down, kill it and bring it home.
Women head out with a target in mind but, get distracted by that nice blueberry bush and start shopping.
Retailers know this and plant blueberries to distract and entice you into picking them. The gift card/s took one for the team, eh?:03::D

[frau kaleun]

Wash, rinse repeat?:D

Lol, I may skip step ten and just buy one bracket from Amazon.

Because I'm sure I can TOTALLY go to Amazon and just buy one thing and not spend a hundred dollars. :shifty: :O:

The good news is that the other cabinet with the long half shelf sits up against a wall, so I can screw the bracket into the back of it and not have to worry about putting some kind of framing in just to attach the shelf support.

[Jimbuna]

Step ten: After fixing said shelf....don't dare put anything on it :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Look at it this way: Once all the projects are done :har: and life settles down to a boring routine, you'll always have that cool lightsa...flashlight to keep you entertained. You've also learned a valuable new lesson: Eye protection is important. Never shine the flashlight directly into your eyes without first putting the Jedi lampshade over your head.

[AVGWarhawk]

Home ownership....the projects are never done. The is always something to paint, fix or replace. :yep:

[frau kaleun]

The gift card/s took one for the team, eh?:03::D

:har: :har: :har: :har:

Like I have any gift cards left. :O:

Never shine the flashlight directly into your eyes without first putting the Jedi lampshade over your head.

I KNEW I BOUGHT THAT LAMP FOR A REASON! :haha:

[Wolferz]

:har: :har: :har: :har:

Like I have any gift cards left. :O:
Well, I figured as much but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.:03:



I KNEW I BOUGHT THAT LAMP FOR A REASON! :haha:

Put that on and stretch out with your feelings. No, don't swing the lamp around.:huh:
It's not the flashlight you're looking for. Move along.

[frau kaleun]

HOW TO *REALLY* FIX A SAGGING HALF SHELF IN A KITCHEN BASE CABINET INSTEAD OF WASTING AN EVENING SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY AT LOWE'S AND WATCHING TOP GEAR,
by Frau Kaleun

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/6231/cnu4.jpg

Saggy shelf is saggy. But first, I had to deal with the bare nails sticking out everywhere.

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/7916/3mr.jpg

I don't know if they were originally supposed to be nailed into the shelf and cabinet frame or what, but whoever did the work missed all over the place... either that or someone ripped out what they were originally hammered into and just left them there. I found three of them sticking out like that just under the shelf and another in a back corner of the cabinet. Plus a couple that had already been bent back towards the back of the frame, so I did the same with these after an aborted attempt to snip them off flush. I figured if I did a bad job snipping I'd just end up with a more jagged thing that wasn't sticking out far enough to bend back, and trying to snip them while half laying down and half hunched up in the cupboard proved to be almost impossible anyway.

That bit of business taken care of, I proceeded to break out the stuff I bought to get the main job done.

http://imageshack.us/a/img407/6899/dj4h.jpg

Now you may ask yourself, how do I work this?
And you may ask yourself, what is that beautiful house?
You may ask yourself, am I right, am I wrong?
You may say to yourself, my god, what have I done?

But in that case you'd be singing a Talking Heads song, which is completely irrelevant to this story, even though it's a really really awesome song.

What you *should* be asking yourself is, what the heck does that wooden coat rack have to do with fixing a saggy cabinet shelf?

Well, the answer is - I decided that rather than use the bit of board I had, which would have to be cut to fit anyway, I'd look for a bit of board that was a similar size and was already finished and painted white so it would blend in with the existing cabinet innards. I knew that if I didn't I'd be looking at that raw bit of board every single time I opened the cabinet and kicking myself for using it because it would look so ugly up against the white cabinet back.

So I found this cheapo white wooden coat rack at Lowe's, and since the pegs were already falling out of half the ones on the shelf, I figured it would be suitable and all I'd have to do is wiggle the pegs a bit and they would just come right out.

WRONG!

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The pegs on the one *I* bought were in there so tight that no amount of fiddling would get them out. I had to cut every single one of them off. :haha: Good thing I needed to cut the board itself and so picked up that saw thingy.

Then it was time to measure the height of the existing side shelf supports and cut the board to match.

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Now to get the bracket attached...

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and wedge it into place under the middle of the shelf. But how to raise the shelf up enough while I push the support into place? What do I have a ready supply of, that could be used to form a pylon of the precise desired height, and then be easily shifted from one spot and/or height to another while I work on placing the makeshift frame and securing the bracket under the shelf?

:hmmm:

:hmmm:

:huh:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2323474688/hE8CF3866/

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http://geniusmeme.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/genius-meme.jpg

Then I just needed to wedge myself into the cabinet again and apply a little elbow grease, and that was that!

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http://imageshack.us/a/img838/9386/qgh5.jpg

:rock:

Oh, and just for Jimbuna: what you see in that last picture is what we in the saggy shelf fixin' trade like to call "a buttload of cast iron." Don't know exactly how many pounds are sitting on there, but it's a fair amount, and so far, so good! :O:

[Sailor Steve]

I see the no-longer-saggy kitchen countertop has been temporarily converted into an on-the-spot workbench. Good job utilizing the tools at hand. :rock:

[Wolferz]

:Kaleun_Applaud:

[Jimbuna]

Oh, and just for Jimbuna: what you see in that last picture is what we in the saggy shelf fixin' trade like to call "a buttload of cast iron." Don't know exactly how many pounds are sitting on there, but it's a fair amount, and so far, so good! :O:

LOL....my wife says "She's handier around the house than you are, besides, when was the last time you washed a pan to find out how heavy it was"?

:oops:

:/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!!

:)

[AVGWarhawk]

Worked like a charm, Frau. Nice work. :yeah:

[Wolferz]

What would you do if you didn't have Idea Kitteh and a stack of books on odd subjects?:hmmm::haha:

[u crank]

HOW TO *REALLY* FIX A SAGGING HALF SHELF IN A KITCHEN BASE CABINET INSTEAD OF WASTING AN EVENING SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY AT LOWE'S AND WATCHING TOP GEAR,
by Frau Kaleun

You're hired. Can you start tomorrow?:O:

Nice work and play by play commentary.:up:

[frau kaleun]

Thanks guys!

I am really focusing on the kitchen right now, obviously.

Went to Ikea tonight and picked up two of these

http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0143865_PE303284_S3.JPG

one of which will go on the wall above the sink and the other above the stove. Got two of these

http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0163036_PE318129_S3.JPG

to hang on the rail over the stove. I'm used to keeping small cooking needs - salt and pepper, etc. sitting on the upper ridge of the back of my stove but this newfangled model isn't flat but curvy which makes that habit problematic. Thus the little shelves, which will let me still keep that stuff handy without risking it falling onto the stovetop or (more likely) me knocking it over all the time. Or as much, anyway. :O:

Got a third shelf for the rail that will go over the sink, plus one each of these:

http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0150027_PE308159_S3.JPG

http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/0150021_PE308155_S3.JPG

The round one I can store my Oxo dish scrubber in when I'm not using it so it's not just laying in the sink. The other one I figure I can use for the bottle of dish soap and whatever other cleansers I use all the time at the sink. Both those containers have solid bottoms but a drainage insert at the bottom so they should do nicely for storing items that are frequently wet, I'll just need to remember to wash out the insides once in a while. :haha:

The shelf I can put hand soap on and maybe a dish scrubbie, I dunno. Anyway it'll get all that clutter off the counter around the sink while still keeping it handy for everyday use. :yeah:

The one over the stove will be just a matter of measuring and marking and putting it up, the one over the sink will be more complicated since I'll have to take down the paper towel holder that's already up there - which I would do anyway, so no great loss there - but I'll have to spackle the holes where it's mounted and maybe dab some paint on there after it dries. Or maybe it'll dry just the right shade of white and blend in with the rest of the wall, we'll see.

Then I'll need to take down the flourescent light that is mounted under the cabinet and put my own paper towel holder up there, and put some new lighting up. Already ordered a wireless LED lightstrip for that but won't have it til Monday and I don't want to mount the towel holder until I know where the light will go since both will be mounted under the cabinet.

But I should be able to put a full roll of towels on the holder and just hold it up there to give me some idea of how high or low I should place the rail on the wall. :hmmm: So I may still get that done this weekend. But I'll probably do the one over the stove first anyway, so who knows.

OTOH if I want to buy a new fridge before my 10% discount card expires in mid July, I also need to pull the fridge out and at least measure back there and I want to clean back there and possibly tear the baseboard off and clean and paint the newly exposed wall... and that will take a while. Doesn't have to be a perfect job, if I rip that baseboard off it'll only be because I want to put a larger fridge in the space and that means none of the exposed wall will be exposed for long, so I dunno. Another "we'll see" project.

[TarJak]

I'm more interested in the titles of some of them books. Looks like you've got some interesting philosopical reading done.:salute:

[danasan]

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/562/lors.jpg

This would have been the ultimate solution for me...:yeah:

[HundertzehnGustav]

naah.
i woulda used religious books for dat.
those right there seem to be worth reading at least halfway.
:D

[Onkel Neal]

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/562/lors.jpg

This would have been the ultimate solution for me...:yeah:


:har: awesome!

[frau kaleun]

I'm more interested in the titles of some of them books. Looks like you've got some interesting philosopical reading done.:salute:

Lol I just grabbed the first stack that was handy.

I think I've only read maybe half of those. :oops: I'm like Steve, I acquire books way faster than I can ever possibly read them all. :haha:

[Sailor Steve]

Everybody keeps reposting that picture. Why does everybody feel the need to do that. Don't you have any respect for Subsim's operating cos...

Oh, hi Neal! :oops: :D

Sorry, couldn't resist. :O:

[TarJak]

Lol I just grabbed the first stack that was handy.

I think I've only read maybe half of those. :oops: I'm like Steve, I acquire books way faster than I can ever possibly read them all. :haha:

I'm the same. I've currently got two books half read with about another dozen waiting to be started.

[Sailor Steve]

Wotta buncha losers! :nope:

Thanks to that four-year stint at the book warehouse and their policy of letting employees take home damaged books, I currently have several hundred books waiting to be read. Considering that was fifteen years ago, I should get through them all in another eighty years or so. :dead:

[frau kaleun]

Wotta buncha losers! :nope:

Thanks to that four-year stint at the book warehouse and their policy of letting employees take home damaged books, I currently have several hundred books waiting to be read. Considering that was fifteen years ago, I should get through them all in another eighty years or so. :dead:

:haha:

I keep thinking that I'll have a lot of great reading coming my way when I retire and have nothing else to do. But now that I've bought a place that I'll likely be paying off well into my 70s, not only can I never afford to retire but I'll also always have something else to do. :O:

Got the extra shelf bracket from Amazon yesterday and got it in the other big base cabinet last night since that was nothing more than finding six screws that fit and sticking it up there.

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/9136/y5bf.jpg

I have to work tomorrow so took today off and got started on the little wall storage stuff I bought at Ikea. Got the one up over the stove (another simple "measure and attach" job) and I really, really like the way it turned out.

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/1360/d788.jpg

For those who know enough to care, yes that is a garlic keeper on the right shelf and no I will not be keeping it there that close to a heat source, lol. I only sat it there to make the picture look pretty. :smug:

More than likely I'll pick up a stoneware salt crock and sit it up there somewhere, right now I've got the kosher salt in that tall spice jar behind the kittycat S&P shakers and that's not very handy when I need to grab a pinch of it for something.

Second rail will go over the sink and that will be more of a job. Already took down the old paper towel thing and wired task light and yep I've got some spacklin' and paintin' to do before I go any further.

http://imageshack.us/a/img835/1162/6nzc.jpg

Fortunately I've got plenty of spackling stuff left over from what I used in the apartment, and the previous owner left two cans of paint and a paintbrush in the storage room. But I got no trays and nothing to wash the brush out with and it looks brand new so I don't want to use it once and toss it. Plus it's a little big for using just on that little bit of cabinet frame. So, I dunno. Gonna have to pick up a couple items at least to get the job done right up there. Probably need a small roller for the wall too since I think the holes are too big to just dab paint over them once they're spackled. :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

What are we having for dinner and what time?:03::)

[AVGWarhawk]

We have a similar spice rack from IKEA. It is quite functional and makes the kitchen counter area tidy. IKEA has some cool stuff.

[Sailor Steve]

Got the one up over the stove (another simple "measure and attach" job) and I really, really like the way it turned out.
That does look nifty. :sunny:

[Red October1984]

I've missed the last few episodes of Frau in the Condo

What's new? :D

[frau kaleun]

What are we having for dinner and what time?:03::)

Well I'll be having the salad that I ordered from LaRosa's for supper yesterday but didn't eat. Probably in the next half hour or so. As for you...

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f75/basilsblog/blazing-saddles-on-your-own.jpg

...son, you're on your own. :O:

We have a similar spice rack from IKEA. It is quite functional and makes the kitchen counter area tidy. IKEA has some cool stuff.

Yeah, I love going in there and just walking around looking at what's available. I bought a little steel expandable pot lid rack that is now being used to hold potholders on my kitchen counter.

http://imageshack.us/a/img46/9329/1pb3.jpg

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Originally I bought it thinking I would use it to hold cutting boards, but decided on this instead. I wasn't even looking for something to use for either purpose when I was in there and didn't know the product existed... just saw it sitting on display and knew I could make good use of it.

That does look nifty. :sunny:

I would have said "adorable" but to each his own. :haha:

I've missed the last few episodes of Frau in the Condo

What's new? :D

I sold the place and moved to Tahiti. Try to keep up, sheesh. :shifty: :O:

Got started on the preliminaries on the wall behind the sink, spackling the holes in the drywall and putting wood filler in the ones in the cabinet.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/5548/6kh1.jpg

Yes I know the spackle is pink, it dries white, that's how you know it's dry, lol. It's shrinking up quite a bit as it dries out so I'll have to put some more on tomorrow afternoon and then probably have to wait until Sunday to do any painting, which sucks as I was hoping to deal with the longstanding "clean and measure behind the fridge" issue then - and that will likely take up a good chunk of the day. OTOH the only issue with leaving the wall like that for longer than I thought is that I have to go looking for the paper towels every time I need one and if I didn't keep moving the roll around that wouldn't really be an issue. :O:

I thought I was gonna get out there and spray the rest of the weeds on my patio this afternoon when it cooled down a little but the reason it cooled down was because it got cloudy and the reason it got cloudy was because it wanted to rain, which it did, so that job got put off yet again. Some of those weeds are almost knee high now and I'm hoping the weather will cooperate more tomorrow so I can get to them without getting baked to death and risking spontaneous combustion in the process. :dead:

[Sailor Steve]

I would have said "adorable" but to each his own. :haha:
I tend not to fall in love with my furnishings.

Though there was this one bookshelf that just stood out from all the others...

[Red October1984]

I tend not to fall in love with my furnishings.

Though there was this one bookshelf that just stood out from all the others...

For me, it's the memory foam bath mats....

They just...comfort you so well after a long day on your feet... :har:

[frau kaleun]

Oy, what a day.

Had to work until noon, then run to a hair appt after that and wasn't finished there until around 2 PM, then checked out a big sale at one of the dept stores in the same mall but their housewares dept was crap so I didn't find anything I wanted much less needed. Then I went to Lowe's where I managed to spend only about $75 instead of the typically requisite hundred bucks.

Then I had to put gas in the car because I was practically running on fumes, then I decided to stop and get something to bring home for dinner since I hadn't eaten all day and it was almost four o'clock. Ended up getting home about half an hour after that and was dead tired.

Nevertheless I rebounded after a short rest and decided to get something, ANYTHING done. I'd decided a couple days ago that I didn't like the "full shelf" that my false floor in the pantry cupboard had created, mostly because I realized I would probably want a small step stool in there for better access to the top shelf and what I'd done to protect the water line was gonna make that impossible. :/\\!!

Resolved to cut the shelf down to a smaller size (or maybe just use the leftover piece of plywood from what I bought the first time, which is already the right width, just depends on how I feel about how shallow a shelf it would be) but that would leave part of the water line exposed which I don't want. So I put on my thinking cap and found what I think will be a solution for that, the first part of which involved cutting a larger hole for it to pass through on its way into the cupboard.

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With that done and all the stuff pulled out of there, I decided to go ahead and paint that lower area since some of it will also be exposed if I do what I think I'm gonna do there. I didn't scrape off all the residue from where the baseboard was pulled off, because I don't really care if it looks all nice and smooth - I just don't want it to look as grimy and dirty. Also figured it would be a good way to get the hang of painting in an area that isn't as visible as other places that will need it. I need the practice, I haven't painted anything since 8th grade art class. :O:

So I spackled up any "mystery holes" (probably aborted prior attempts to run that water line through) and other spots that looked like they would benefit from a spackling. I bought some additional stuff today that is supposed to be spackle + primer in one application, which I figured would be useful if I was gonna paint over it. Plus it's not like I won't need more spackle eventually. :haha:

It was supposed to be dry and ready to paint in 30 minutes but I waited a while longer anyway and then got ready to paint.

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As you can see I went all out and splurged on the disposable tray and roller, lol. I did buy a nice little brush for spots the roller wouldn't work on. Anyhoo after doing the area down by the floor I went ahead and painted all the way up to where the supports for the first shelf are since that was a built-in cut-off point, and really the whole area below them had some stains that I couldn't scrub off so it seemed like a good idea.

It's not perfect, but I think it looks at least a little better.

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The back part will be covered by whatever makeshift shelving I put back in there anyway so I'm not too worried about that. I'll have to see if I'm happy with the rest of it when it's dry and I pull the paper and tape out of there tomorrow.

While I was waiting to get started on the painting I decided to go ahead and fill in all the holes made by whatever the previous owner had hanging on the inside of the cupboard door:

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There were a couple sets of holes on the top half and more on the bottom... filled them all in with wood filler and let them dry as well, then painted the whole inside of the door. I was reasonably careful going around the doorknob but didn't worry too much about it as it already had paint on it anyway which I haven't bothered to scrape off, plus I plan on replacing pretty much every bit of door hardware in this place eventually because it's all this yellow gold stuff which I hate hate HATE with a passion.

There was so much crap on this door that had already been painted over at least once that without taking it all down to bare wood and starting from scratch it wasn't gonna be possible to get it looking that great, I mean seriously I pulled off two strips of cellophane tape that were stuck to it and just painted over. WTF? How hard is it to pull up a piece of Scotch tape? It came right off for me as soon as I got a corner up and that was AFTER it had been painted over at least once. :nope:

Anyhoo, it IS the inside of a cupboard door, and I'll be putting little storage racks for spices and whatnot up there at some point, so again perfection wasn't the goal, just something better than a door with holes in it and pieces of tape stuck to it and painted over.

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Having broken the paint barrier with those two jobs, I decided to try to paint over the little bit of patching I did on the wall behind the sink. I'd already put a second application of spackle on there when I first got home, so I sanded it down a bit and started painting over that. Used the brush for the bit of cabinet underframe where I had to fill the holes from the old light fixture mount, and that seems okay... but my gut feeling is that when it dries I'm gonna see that the paint I used was not the same paint that was last used for the kitchen walls. Especially looking at it in this picture... it really does NOT match up at all.

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See, the previous owner left two cans of white paint in the storage room. They are both "pure white" or whatever, and they're both somewhere between flat and semi-gloss, and it's clear one or both of them were used in the kitchen and probably the bathrooms but I can't tell if both were used and if so which one was used for what. One can was full and the other half full, so I went with the half full one since clearly that paint must've been used for something.

But watching it dry on the bit of kitchen wall I painted (yes, I actually did spend part of my evening watching paint dry :haha: ) I really think the other paint was used on the walls and maybe that's just a full can of it that was left over or barely touched, I dunno.

I've got another tray and roller so if I have to I can crack open the full can and go over it again with that. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't match up either, in which case I'll just paint that whole section of wall with it... whatever it is, I don't think it'll be different enough from what's on the rest of the walls to be noticeable if the only place one meets the other is along one corner that will have something sitting in front of it anyway.

At any rate I know in my gut that the reason what I used today won't match up is that I went to Lowe's and didn't spend a hundred dollars. I broke the rule and now I'm paying for it. :O:

Also not happy with Lowe's in general right now as they are indeed having another sale on major appliances for the upcoming holiday, and the one I want is on sale at a significant discount, but ONLY IN STAINLESS STEEL. I want a white one, dammit. This is the second time they've run a major sale on appliances but only the stainless steel models. And it's a big discount - the one on sale is marked down by 900 DOLLARS for Pete's sake, but the white model is still the same price as always which is $800 more than the sale price on the stainless steel one. :stare:

Are they worried that stainless steel is going out of style and so they're trying to unload as much of it as possible? Seriously, it's about all they keep in stock, almost anything white has to be special ordered. I must be the only person in the universe who isn't ga-ga over stainless steel appliances.

So now I have to decide how much I *really* want a white refrigerator. Or maybe I can talk to my bro-in-law about how likely it is they would cut me some kind of deal on the white model. I'm almost sure it was cheaper at one of their local competitors the last time I checked, but I really don't want to deal with them. Maybe I can print out some of the other local ads where it's cheaper (if it still is) and take those in as a bargaining chip. I do have a 10% discount card I was going to use which would knock off about $250 from the regular price, but that hardly makes up for the fact that the white one is 800 DOLLARS more due to not being included in the sale.

The biggest issue will be whether or not my fridge magnets will stick to that model in the stainless steel version. I've heard that some "stainless steel" appliances don't really use steel for the doors and so magnets won't stick to them. And I'm not giving up my fridge magnets. :nope:

[Red October1984]

The biggest issue will be whether or not my fridge magnets will stick to that model in the stainless steel version. I've heard that some "stainless steel" appliances don't really use steel for the doors and so magnets won't stick to them. And I'm not giving up my fridge magnets. :nope:


We have a Stainless Steel Refrigerator. :hmmm:

Magnets have never stuck and they most likely won't change their minds. :03: We used to have all kinds of stuff on our old fridge but we got rid of it all when we got the new one.

[Wolferz]

True stainless steel is non ferrous. Magnet no sticky. But, there are lower grades of stainless that are ferrous. Magnet do sticky. I'd advise taking a little fridge magnet with you when you go appliance shopping just to quickly check it before you drop a dime on it. OOps, you're wanting the high maintenance goods. never mind.
I guess stainless is the rage these days because white gets dirty and it shows.
It used to be that stainless was the expensive option. Now white porcelain costs more. A flip flop of grand proportion. Go figure.:nope:

[Gargamel]

^ Yup.

The grade of stainless is determined by the amount of chromium in the steel. The more chromium, the less magnetic it is.

I know stainless welds up real nice, but isn't good for magnets.

[Sailor Steve]

Then I went to Lowe's where I managed to spend only about $75 instead of the typically requisite hundred bucks.
BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!!!


Are they worried that stainless steel is going out of style and so they're trying to unload as much of it as possible? Seriously, it's about all they keep in stock, almost anything white has to be special ordered. I must be the only person in the universe who isn't ga-ga over stainless steel appliances.
Probably just the opposite. Everybody wants a white one and nobody wants the stainless ones. They're on sale just to get rid of them and they can easily get full price for the white ones.

[Jimbuna]

Mrs buna is starting to look at this thread more often of late and I think I can guess what she is thinking regarding odd jobs around the buna house :o

I notice we have the same taste in tomato ketchup :cool:

[Red October1984]

Mrs buna is starting to look at this thread more often of late and I think I can guess what she is thinking regarding odd jobs around the buna house :o

RUN!

RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! :har:

[Jimbuna]

I couldn't run for a bus right atm :-?

[Red October1984]

I couldn't run for a bus right atm :-?

Why? What's wrong with the mighty Jim? :hmmm:

You could always drive... :salute:

[Jimbuna]

Drive her mad...now that's an idea :hmmm:

[Red October1984]

Drive her mad...now that's an idea :hmmm:

I had no part of this.... :)

[WernherVonTrapp]

These are some seriously awesome repairs you're making Frau. I know people who make very good money making similar repairs on other peoples homes. Ever consider going into business for yourself? :yep:

[frau kaleun]

Got quite a bit done today!

Remember when I said I'd decided to redo the "accommodations" for the water line in the pantry cupboard? Well, the reason for the bigger hole was that I decided I would use a cable/wire raceway for it and turn the hole in the cupboard into a proper outlet.

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With that taken care of, it was just a matter of rebuilding a smaller little shelf than the one I had before.

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This also meant cutting the original shelf down from 20+ inches to about a foot deep total.

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If you want to know how long it takes to cut through 20+ inches of plywood with a little utility blade like that, the answer is: probably not as long as you'd think, but a damn sight longer than you'd like. I'd give you an exact number but I think I blacked out somewhere in the middle of it and just lost track of time. :O: But it was worth it, as I like the new arrangement a whole lot better:

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With that job done, I set about repainting the wall behind the sink, since what I did yesterday didn't match up any better with the older paint this morning than it did last night. This time I just bit the bullet and painted the whole wall down to the corner; it's not much more area to cover anyway, so it didn't take very long.

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(to be continued...)

[frau kaleun]

Then, since it had cooled off some and - miracle of miracles - wasn't raining as a result, it was time for the Showdown At The FK Corral.

*cue dramatic music*

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One big honkin' tub of Roundup, vs.

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the Patio Weed Gang. (I call the big one in the back corner "Ike." :O:)

So, yeah, I sprayed 'em. I sprayed 'em real good.

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Then I went and did laundry and took a shower and ate some dinner and other boring stuff. Afterwards, since the wall I'd painted and made all pretty and new looking seemed dry enough, I decided it was high time to start poking holes in it again. Like the stuff over the stove, I think it turned out really well.

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Meanwhile, out at the FK Corral...

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...Ike doesn't look so good. :D

[Sailor Steve]

I am in awe. I like to think there was a time when I had that kind of energy and drive. I'm pretty sure I did, but I can't remember exactly when. Maybe another lifetime. :dead:

[vienna]

Work...

I like work...

I could sit and watch work for hours...

<O>

[danasan]

Requiescat in pace, Ike. I feel sorry for you and your comrades... :D

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[Sailor Steve]

I don't. They chose their path. They could have been beautiful flowers, but they took the bad road to weedhood. Some might argue that they had no choice, that it was their nature, or the soil made them do it, but they got their just reward, and may the Great Tree Of Life have mercy on their weedy souls.

[Wolferz]

Kill 'em all before they multiply. Now if you could just stop the wind from blowing... or install a hermetically sealed bubble over the veranda.:up:

When the smoke had cleared, Ike and the Weed gang lay dead in the FK corral, drying in the hot sun. Soon to be victims of the farrier's knife. Marshall Kaleun had at last made it safe for the iron horses.

Oh, BTW, brilliant idea on the water line.:up: I would have suggested it but, I like to allow people to find their own solutions. That way, I don't appear to be an insufferable know-it-all. It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. Right?:03:
Idea Kitteh deserves a treat.:D

[Jimbuna]

Must try to find that brand of Ike killer over here...either that or my weeds are super mutants :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

Must try to find that brand of Ike killer over here...either that or my weeds are super mutants :hmmm:

Mutants? Nah. Probably all that rain and fog you get in the Bweedish isles.:03:

[AVGWarhawk]

Coming along really nice Frau. Some innovative ideas for odd situations. I love the routing of the water ho:up:se you set up.

[frau kaleun]

Oh, BTW, brilliant idea on the water line.:up: I would have suggested it but, I like to allow people to find their own solutions.

Thanks. I didn't think about it until I started looking into some way to get power outlets over on my kitchen penisula for appliances like my food processor, etc. Still thinking that one over but the raceways and outlet stuff came up when I was searching around looking for ideas. And then the light bulb went *ding*! :O:

Must try to find that brand of Ike killer over here...either that or my weeds are super mutants :hmmm:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roundup-Fast-Action-Litres-Weedkiller/dp/B00187TTUQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_2

This looks like it might be the same stuff... can't see the manufacturer's name in the picture but maybe it's packaged differently and not sold with the "Ortho" name on it over there?

[Jimbuna]

Mutants? Nah. Probably all that rain and fog you get in the Bweedish isles.:03:

Most likely :)





http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roundup-Fast-Action-Litres-Weedkiller/dp/B00187TTUQ/ref=pd_sim_sbs_kh_2

This looks like it might be the same stuff... can't see the manufacturer's name in the picture but maybe it's packaged differently and not sold with the "Ortho" name on it over there?

OMG!!....the wife read this then dragged me downstairs into the garage and said "You were using that brand yesterday...if you took more pride and notice into what you were doing you would have realised. I'll do the weeding tomorrow least this time I know it'll be done right"!!

:oops::oops::oops:

My turn to change the bedding for that :/\\!!

[Wolferz]

Power to the peninsula might be a little trickier than the water line I'm afraid. Depending on your local electrical codes, which may, by law, require a licensed electrician to perform the work. Not that anyone will be out hunting for rule breakers or anything. That would only occur if, heaven forbid, there was some catastrophic failure that burned down your condo.
I usually do my own wiring and work on such things because I'm thoroughly versed in electron and homotron theories and I have the proper tools. Use your best judgement. Please. :)

[Wolferz]

But we love them so.
Poor Jimbuna.:hmph::03:

[frau kaleun]

Power to the peninsula might be a little trickier than the water line I'm afraid. Depending on your local electrical codes, which may, by law, require a licensed electrician to perform the work. Not that anyone will be out hunting for rule breakers or anything. That would only occur if, heaven forbid, there was some catastrophic failure that burned down your condo.
I usually do my own wiring and work on such things because I'm thoroughly versed in electron and homotron theories and I have the proper tools. Use your best judgement. Please. :)

I'm looking for something ready-made in terms of the power supply that can just be mounted on there somewhere and plugged into an already existing outlet. There's one on the wall where the peninsula meets it, but that's hardly handy for food prep appliances I'd be using down at the other end. I don't mind running the cord under the countertop, especially since I really don't have any other choice. :haha:

I could mount a power strip along the outer edge of the thing, to the cabinet frame just under the countertop, sadly I've not found anything designed for that kind of integration that isn't 1) ugly, 2) way too long, or 3) not for sale directly to the public.

Plugmold makes a white, "kitchen-ready" tamper-resistant power strip that might be okay if it wasn't 3-4 feet long - I'd have to mount that directly to the top of the counter, which would be awesome in terms of using it, but I would hate to drill into the countertop like that. To mount it on the side of the cabinet under the counter it would have to be cut down to two feet or so, and I'd probably lose half the outlets by doing that even if I could. Plus it would have to be hardwired into something no matter where I put it.

I found some other options that I've been considering:

http://www.mockett.com/pcs34.html

would still involve cutting into the countertop, plus I don't much like the spot where I'd have to put it to keep the entire thing inside the cabinet when not in use... and it might not even fit behind/between the drawers. I could mount it on the part of the countertop that overhangs the cabinet, but then it would be visible and exposed when not in use and I'm not crazy about that.

Then there's this:

http://www.mockett.com/pcs47c.html

which would just clamp on to the edge of the countertop. They have a horizontal clamp-on model that I prefer the look of, sadly it won't work for my counter as the surface is just a tad too wide for the clamp used. This tower one would fit but I dunno, it's a bit ungainly. OTOH now that I've got other larger/taller stuff sitting on the counter, I can see where this thing might not stick out so bad. And no drilling.

No matter what I do the cord/wiring is gonna have to run underneath the countertop overhang, as I can't access the interior of the cabinet frame all the way to the wall anyway. I can hide or camouflage it with some sort of cord management dealio but that's about it.

[Jimbuna]

But we love them so.
Poor Jimbuna.:hmph::03:

Yep....Can't live with em and can't live without em :)

[Wolferz]

That PCS34 looks like a nifty little gizmo, if you want to drill a hole in your countertop. Note: The GFI supply requirement means it's not good plugged into a standard outlet. I would advise a hardwired socket in a convenient spot.
Preferably a GFI socket to keep the homotrons at bay.
But, I think you know this already.:)

[frau kaleun]

That PCS34 looks like a nifty little gizmo, if you want to drill a hole in your countertop.

Yeah, and I think it's even cheaper than the clamp-on model. And has a longer cord.

Note: The GFI supply requirement means it's not good plugged into a standard outlet. I would advise a hardwired socket in a convenient spot.
Preferably a GFI socket to keep the homotrons at bay.
But, I think you know this already.:)

There's an outlet I wouldn't be using for anything else at the end of the peninsula next to the wall but I haven't checked to see if it's GFCI or not. I would think it would be, being in a kitchen, but I can't remember for sure. I know the one by the sink is but that wouldn't be an option. And I'd almost rather run the cord down to the floor in the corner and over to the wall outlet in the dinette, but the cord wouldn't be long enough for that.

[Wolferz]

<snip>

There's an outlet I wouldn't be using for anything else at the end of the peninsula next to the wall but I haven't checked to see if it's GFCI or not. I would think it would be, being in a kitchen, but I can't remember for sure. I know the one by the sink is but that wouldn't be an option. And I'd almost rather run the cord down to the floor in the corner and over to the wall outlet in the dinette, but the cord wouldn't be long enough for that.

Di-hydrogen oxide is the main cause of most ground faults. If the outlet is at the end of the counter it will probably be a normal outlet. GFCI outlets are easily identified by their square shaped housing and cover and the two buttons in the center. One black, one red. It operates like a secondary circuit breaker on that wire run from the mains.
If you wish to run the cord over to the wall and it's not long enough, you could build your own cable of the right length with components and hide it with some more of that wire channel. A screw driver, multi-meter, wire cutters and wire strippers are all you'll need for tools. If you really want to get fancy with it, you could just rewire the socket strip with your custom cord. Lowes carries every flavor of bulk wire by the foot. Ampere rating is the only concern to watch for and making sure to put the right color wire where it's supposed to be.

I should shut up now before I get you electrocuted. Well, zapped at the least.:03: That's the nice thing about alternating current. It pinches you and lets go sixty times a second..:huh:

[frau kaleun]

Yeah, I always notice the test and reset buttons. Pretty sure the outlets I'd want to use don't have them. I'm sure the one in the dinette doesn't, it doesn't have any reason to have them.

Really what I'd like is an under-the-counter power strip on the end of the peninsula - right along the top of the cabinet just under the lip of the counter. Wouldn't have to worry so much about moisture from food prep and it would still be handy. But there's not much depth there to work with and as I said everything that I can buy myself that would be suitable is at least a foot too long. I guess if I find out what the hard-wired ones are made of, I can decide whether or not I want to get one that's 3 feet long and cut it down - depending on how the outlets are spaced I might only lose two or three out of six and really three is probably more than I need.

If I could wire it into a power cable with a nice plug on the end and run it under the counter overhang, channelling it through one of those raceways down the back of the counter to the floor and to the outlet in the dinette would certainly be doable. :hmmm:

Edit: oh, and I've been electrocuted. I don't seem to remember it letting go at all until I let go of it. :O:

[Jimbuna]

Forgive my ignorance but what is a 'peninsula' ?

[Wolferz]

Forgive my ignorance but what is a 'peninsula' ?

Like Florida or Italy or Viet Nam Basically a long counter that sticks out 90 degrees from the main cabinets.:know:
This will be on the test.:)

[Wolferz]

Edit: oh, and I've been electrocuted. I don't seem to remember it letting go at all until I let go of it. :O:

That's known as getting shocked. You let go really fast didn't you?:O:
If the voltage that zapped you didn't have a zero volt reference to it, you wouldn't have been able to let go and you would die. ( electrocution)
See link for Alternating Current 101.:know:

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[frau kaleun]

Forgive my ignorance but what is a 'peninsula' ?

Like Florida or Italy or Viet Nam Basically a long counter that sticks out 90 degrees from the main cabinets.:know:


But is still attached to them at one end. Unlike a kitchen island, which sits in the middle of the room unattached to anything. Except, unless you have a really careless contractor, the kitchen floor. :O:

That's known as getting shocked. You let go really fast didn't you?:O:

Not nearly as fast as I wanted to! :haha:

What I remember is my body falling backwards and gravity pulling me to the floor which caused my hand to be pulled off the thing I was holding, which was the metal door handle of an old refrigerator and therefore attached to something much too heavy for me to pull over on top of myself. :hmmm:

We kept this old fridge down in our basement for extra food and drink storage and I'd go down there just about everyday to get something out of it. I said for days that I kept feeling something wrong when I touched it which felt like a slight shock but my mother didn't believe me. One day I went down and grabbed the handle to open it and got well and truly zapped - it knocked me right off my feet.

IIRC they later found that an old metal window fan had fallen down behind the thing and gotten up against the wiring and we also, it turned out, had some issues with water getting into that basement in some areas. But I don't know for sure what it was that caused it to become a hazard. They told me that they took care of it and nobody else ever got shocked for all the years they kept that fridge, but I still wouldn't touch the door with anything but a wooden broom handle til the day I moved out. :O:

Anyway - went to Home Depot after work and they have a couple things I might consider for peninsula power, including the white model of the three foot power strip which looks like it might do nicely IF I can cut it down to size. It's metal but I've cut everything else so why not that? But I'll have to see what the end caps look like, they'd have to be something that would cover my handiwork well enough AND I'd have to be able to run the wiring out the back of the thing. Which I'm pretty sure is possible, since there's hardware in there for the option of mounting it over an existing standard outlet which would require the wiring to go out the back.

They also have a clamp-on power grommet that is about half the price and looks like it would fit over the edge of the counter, so I'm considering that as well.

[Wolferz]

That sounds like a diet fridge.:haha: Meant to deter cheating.:03: Still a bit dangerous though. It's fortunate that the basement floor wasn't wet when you grabbed the handle or we might not be having this conversation.:hmmm:
At any rate, it sounds like you know what you need and you have enough common sense to accomplish the task without giving yourself a new hairdo.:)

[Jimbuna]

Like Florida or Italy or Viet Nam Basically a long counter that sticks out 90 degrees from the main cabinets.:know:
This will be on the test.:)

Ah yes, an island attached to a wall......or a kitchen bench :)

[Wolferz]

Ah yes, an island attached to a wall......or a kitchen bench :)

Well, you folks invented the language so I guess a little quid pro quo is due when describing things.:)
But, just like a geographical peninsula is attached to a continent, a kitchen peninsula is attached to a wall or cabinet.

[Red October1984]

Ah yes, an island attached to a wall......or a kitchen bench :)

Soooo....like a bar? :hmmm:

[frau kaleun]

Soooo....like a bar? :hmmm:

Could be, if you have enough countertop overhang on one side to scoot barstools up underneath it. Mine does, but I'm not planning to use it for that since I can't see the point of having a place to eat at the counter and a dining table and chairs right next to it. Although a couple simple stools with no backs to them and a small footprint that wouldn't clutter up the space - that's a possibility. It would be more for someone to sit at the counter and chat while another person is on the other side doing something in the kitchen, not for sitting there to eat and drink at mealtime. I'll have to see how the space works out once I get the table and chairs and other dinette stuff where I want it all.

[Red October1984]

Could be, if you have enough countertop overhang on one side to scoot barstools up underneath it. Mine does, but I'm not planning to use it for that since I can't see the point of having a place to eat at the counter and a dining table and chairs right next to it. Although a couple simple stools with no backs to them and a small footprint that wouldn't clutter up the space - that's a possibility. It would be more for someone to sit at the counter and chat while another person is on the other side doing something in the kitchen, not for sitting there to eat and drink at mealtime. I'll have to see how the space works out once I get the table and chairs and other dinette stuff where I want it all.

We have an overhang on our kitchen island. We have stools there but we never use it as eating space. Just another place to sit.

It's sometimes a handy thing to have. The stools also double as steps to reach things on upper shelves. :)

[frau kaleun]

Have pretty much decided on this Samsung refrigerator now...

http://www.lowes.com/pd_360811-149-RF4267HAWP_0__?Ntt=rf4267hawp&UserSearch=rf4267hawp&productId=4196473&rpp=16

available in white and Lowe's has it at $2099, it may be a discontinued/superceded model which would explain the lower price. I looked at it in the store and ruled it out for some reason, probably concerned about it being too deep but having looked at the dimensions again and measured the space it's definitely doable. Provided I can use my discount card I can get it for close to what the stainless steel sale prices are on the LG models I was originally looking at.

Given that it's only 33" wide ripping the baseboard off and measuring to ensure the width of the alcove becomes less of a pressing issue altho I do plan to go ahead and do that before making the purchase. The nice thing is that if I get this one there would be room enough to put baseboard just around the corners into the alcove when/if I redo them kitchen-wide, which would give a cleaner look than cutting them off flush at the corners.

And it's a good bet that since it's not stainless, my magnets will stick to it. :woot:

Will still have to wait almost a month for delivery but I'd have to do that with any white fridge anyway, so that's no biggie.

My only concern is the door having enough clearance to open on the right hand side without hitting the wall there, which extends out further than the cabinet on the left. I will look at the configuration of the thing in the store but if all else fails the fridge can be scooted to the left to get the necessary clearance... another benefit of going with the 33" model. Altho I think it's deep enough that the hinges and door will be out far enough beyond the end of the wall that it won't matter. The end of the wall is 29" out from the back of the alcove, and the fridge is already deeper than that without the doors on - plus you have to add on at least another inch because it won't be jammed right up against that back wall.

So, I dunno. Funny for some reason I had a feeling I would end up with a Samsung, well I've had good luck with all their other products I own so why not.

[Red October1984]

You should get that one refrigerator that keeps recipes in it's internal computer and can go online and stuff.

:)

[Wolferz]

You should get that one refrigerator that keeps recipes in it's internal computer and can go online and stuff.

:)
Or the one with GPS and a replicator.:03::D

[Red October1984]

Or the one with GPS and a replicator.:03::D

Yes, fridge I'd like another dozen donuts.

"Coming right up"

*beep*

WOW! Another dozen donuts! :arrgh!:

[frau kaleun]

Bad idea, I'd never be able to resist the temptation to stand there all day just ordering "tea, Earl Grey, hot" over and over again. And I don't even drink the stuff. :haha:

[BrucePartington]

Bad idea, I'd never be able to resist the temptation to stand there all day just ordering "tea, Earl Grey, hot" over and over again. And I don't even drink the stuff. :haha:
:sunny:I do, it's actually my favorite. And I'm going "convertible" as well. It's probably something in the tea:haha:

[Wolferz]

:hmmm:Bad idea, I'd never be able to resist the temptation to stand there all day just ordering "tea, Earl Grey, hot" over and over again. And I don't even drink the stuff. :haha:
:haha:

Why would the fridge need GPS you ask? If it's running, you'll be able to find it. Maybe a lo jack system would be better.:shifty:

[frau kaleun]

Today's big job is underway!

Got the fridge moved out of the alcove with far less trouble than I expected. I imagine putting cardboard under the front feet and (eventually) some sliders under the back ones helped. :know:

http://imageshack.us/a/img692/2396/ex8t.jpg

Certainly not as bad as I expected, and definitely not as bad as what I found when I dropped a screw behind the stove while putting those little shelves up and pulled the big bottom drawer all the way out to see if I could find it. I wish I had never ever had a reason to look under there. :huh: On the plus side, I *did* find a quarter, but I'd happily give it back to unsee what I have seen. :O:

But that's a job for another day, today it's all about the fridge alcove. Got the wallboard all pulled out, so it will already be gone whenever I get around to replacing it kitchen-wide. At that point I'll only go just around the corners into the alcove a couple inches at most anyway, but there won't be any mismatched stuff back there that still has to come out.

http://imageshack.us/a/img443/3805/oddo.jpg

Since then I've cleaned the area up and prepared it for the painting I'm going to do. I've discovered that spackle, like love and really good airbrushing, will cover a multitude of evils.

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/3580/s4jk.jpg

That was about 45 minutes ago, now I'm just waiting for the spackle to dry enough to sand it down a bit and paint that area down around the floor. Like the pantry cupboard this is another job where perfection won't be necessary since almost every area I'm working on will have fridge in front of it or be covered eventually by some new baseboard... but I'm hoping it'll at least look a bit more "finished" and, above all, clean. :sunny:

I did get a couple little jobs done last night, I put up the paper towel thingie and new light I bought to go over the kitchen sink:

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7669/i9ns.jpg

Putting that light up turned out to be a bit of a nightmare, it came with two variations of mounting bracket, both of which proved to be useless for an under-the-cabinet mount despite the item's description. In theory it should have worked, in reality the brackets were too thin and flimsy to hold the light fixture up without just bending under the force of gravity.

Kind of a stupid design, really, since the way you mounted the light onto the bracket I wanted to use made it possible to mount the light itself directly to the cabinet WITHOUT a thin, flimsy piece of plastic in between trying vainly to hold onto both and failing - making the bracket completely unnecessary anyway.

But the light is nice, and I can still get it down and back up just as easily to change the batteries whenever that becomes necessary. The lights are LED and it won't be on that much so probably not very often.

Anyway - the spackle is supposed to dry in 30 minutes, and it's been an hour. Time to get back to work!

[Jimbuna]

Slacker :O:

[frau kaleun]

Slacker :O:

Pfffffffft. :haha:

It's not quite dry enough yet, not in a couple areas where I had to actually fill in some stuff. So I'm sitting here eating Goldfish crackers and watching you losing loser McLose-a-lot British lose the Revolutionary War on the History Channel.* :O:

I did go out and pull up some of the dearly departed Patio Weed Gang but it's raining again, has been all day really. At least there's no mail today so my stuff won't be soaking wet when I get it out of the box. That is one crappy mailbox out there, every time it rains in the afternoon I come home to a sloppy wet mess of mail.

Got a new one last night that should be better but haven't put it up yet. Gotta wait for it to STOP FREAKING RAINING. Plus I don't know if the existing holes will be spaced right, so I may need to get the proper drill bit and drill a new one. :hmmm:





*Did I mention you lost? Because you totally did. :smug:

[Red October1984]

It's not quite dry enough yet, not in a couple areas where I had to actually fill in some stuff. So I'm sitting here eating Goldfish crackers and watching you losing loser McLose-a-lot British lose the Revolutionary War on the History Channel.* :O:

*Did I mention you lost? Because you totally did. :smug:

http://i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/698703971/because_merica_thats_why_us_flag_american_eagle_sw .jpg?color=Black&padToSquare=true

'MERICA! :rock: :03:

[Jimbuna]

Pfffffffft. :haha:

It's not quite dry enough yet, not in a couple areas where I had to actually fill in some stuff. So I'm sitting here eating Goldfish crackers and watching you losing loser McLose-a-lot British lose the Revolutionary War on the History Channel.* :O:

I did go out and pull up some of the dearly departed Patio Weed Gang but it's raining again, has been all day really. At least there's no mail today so my stuff won't be soaking wet when I get it out of the box. That is one crappy mailbox out there, every time it rains in the afternoon I come home to a sloppy wet mess of mail.

Got a new one last night that should be better but haven't put it up yet. Gotta wait for it to STOP FREAKING RAINING. Plus I don't know if the existing holes will be spaced right, so I may need to get the proper drill bit and drill a new one. :hmmm:





*Did I mention you lost? Because you totally did. :smug:

You should be more civilised like us Brits and have functional letterboxes on your doors...and we didn't lose, we decided India was more valuable instead :)

[Schroeder]

You should be more civilised like us Brits and have functional letterboxes on your doors...and we didn't lose, we decided India was more valuable instead :)
...and consequently lost it too.:O:
(don't even think about saying something along the lines that Germany used to be bigger too!):shifty:

[Sailor Steve]

(don't even think about saying something along the lines that Germany used to be bigger too!):shifty:[/SIZE]
Germany was never bigger too, but not for want of trying. :O:

[Jimbuna]

...and consequently lost it too.:O:
(don't even think about saying something along the lines that Germany used to be bigger too!):shifty:

Germany was never bigger too, but not for want of trying. :O:

Best not go there but 2-0 springs to mind :O:

[Schroeder]

Germany was never bigger too, but not for want of trying. :O:
I think I even botched up the grammar.:dead:
I wanted to say that Germany once was bigger than it is today. We lost some territory to Poland after WW2.

Was this originally a thread about the Frau's new home?:D

[Sailor Steve]

I think I even botched up the grammar.:dead:
No, your wording was fine. Mine was not, since I parroted yours, and intentionally so.

Of course I was just teasing, as I assume you were. :sunny:

Was this originally a thread about the Frau's new home?:D
If this thread hadn't been derailed dozens of times already it would now be about twenty pages long.

[Red October1984]

Best not go there but 2-0 springs to mind :O:

Back to Back World War Champs... :03:

[frau kaleun]

If this thread hadn't been derailed dozens of times already it would now be about twenty pages long.

I don't know what you're talking about, I'd never allow this thread to be derailed.

http://frothygirlz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/thor_trainer.jpg

Now, what were we talking about again?

Oh, right, Independence Day. I guess I should get back on track with that.

http://www.nerve.com/files/costume.jpg

'MURICA!!!!

[THE_MASK]

I don't know what you're talking about, I'd never allow this thread to be derailed.

http://frothygirlz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/thor_trainer.jpg

Now, what were we talking about again?

Oh, right, Independence Day. I guess I should get back on track with that.



'MURICA!!!!Wow , for a second i thought you had a picture of myself somehow .

[Red October1984]

Wow , for a second i thought you had a picture of myself somehow .

As if any of us had an actual chance with Frau Kaleun.... :har:

[frau kaleun]

Wow , for a second i thought you had a picture of myself somehow.

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Especially if it's illustrated. :O:

As if any of us had an actual chance with Frau Kaleun....

Well, you don't, if only because you're underage, and homey don't play dat. :haha:

I dunno, I may start taking applications here shortly. There's got to be at least one single dude on here within 100 miles who's got a set of masonry drill bits and knows how to put his pants on and go home. :hmmm:

[frau kaleun]

Done and done!

A little more work than I initially intended, but isn't it always? Once I got started painting in the alcove I couldn't stop, so I ended up painting the whole thing up to the ceiling and/or cabinets plus the bit of attached wall over behind the counter next to it.

http://imageshack.us/a/img826/2376/bld4.jpg

I also painted around the other (right hand) corner, and got the bit of wall around the pantry door and around the *next corner* above the kitchen doorway.

Got the mess cleaned up in the alcove and everywhere else - I'm now pretty satisfied that the area behind the fridge, once a fridge is back in there, will not be an eyesore given what you can see and what you can't.

http://imageshack.us/a/img843/6251/7eip.jpg

Pushed the old fridge back into place but left it out to match where the new fridge will be in terms of depth if I get the one I'm looking at. I think the depth was why I might have ruled that particular model out to begin with but now I can't imagine why I thought it would be a problem. I can certainly live with the size of it as far as that's concerned.

http://imageshack.us/a/img826/1584/0srs.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/5949/32fb.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img20/2078/4y2s.jpg

[Wolferz]

Home sweet home takes a personal touch.:yep:
Are we getting the Martha Stewart confessions now?:03::yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

Wow, 3D rush! All the kitchen pics were take looking downward. Since I've already seen them I'm scrolling past quickly, and the bottom three all look like they're moving away! Cool! :doh: :D

[Red October1984]

http://imageshack.us/a/img20/2078/4y2s.jpg

Sooo....

Just a bit curious here....

Why do you have 3 mats over there in the back? Is one not enough? :hmmm:

[danasan]

Sooo....

Just a bit curious here....

Why do you have 3 mats over there in the back? Is one not enough? :hmmm:

That are the places where he:

http://frothygirlz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/thor_trainer.jpg

would be allowed to put his clothes on when entering... :haha:

[Jimbuna]

That are the places where he:



would be allowed to put his clothes on when entering... :haha:

^ :har:

[Wolferz]

I have masonry bits and other tools. :03:

" Old enough to know better but still young enough to do something about it"

[frau kaleun]

Sooo....

Just a bit curious here....

Why do you have 3 mats over there in the back? Is one not enough? :hmmm:

Those are doormats that were left by the previous owner, they might as well stay in front of the doors until I have something to replace them with (or decide I don't need them).

That are the places where he:

http://frothygirlz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/thor_trainer.jpg

would be allowed to put his clothes on when entering... :haha:

:up:

I have masonry bits and other tools. :03:


By "other" I hope you mean a circular saw cuz that would come in real handy on occasion. :O:

[Wolferz]

By "other" I hope you mean a circular saw cuz that would come in real handy on occasion. :O:



Circular saw, saber saw, variable torque drill and a lantern. All powered by the same batteries in one convenient kit.
What did you think I meant by other?:hmmm::03:
Would you like to see what I can do with a spatula?:yep:

Have tools
Will travel

[TarJak]

What you do with a spatula in the privacy of your own home is best left that way.:O:

[Wolferz]

What you do with a spatula in the privacy of your own home is best left that way.:O:

Don't worry, I won't be sharing my secrets. At least not with you guys.:arrgh!:

[frau kaleun]

Bought the fridge! With the 10% discount card plus the extra 5% they gave me for using my Lowe's card, the total cost (with tax) ended up being just a little over $1900. Three weeks to get it here since it was not a model they keep in stock, delivery is tentatively set up for the 27th. :woot:

Provided this fridge is not a lemon and functions up to spec, I feel like I got an awesome deal. The original list price was just over $3000 on this model, which I think has been discontinued and replaced with something else in Samsung's lineup. Whatever. It's bound to be a far better fridge than anything I've had in the past, so yay!

Given the size of the freezer on this thing, which is basically a pull out chest freezer being on the bottom and all, I'm wondering if I'll even want a small extra chest freezer in the storage room. :hmmm: It would sure give me some extra space to work with out there if I took a pass on that idea.

[Sailor Steve]

The real question is: Is it big enough to keep Mr. Pecs cool until needed, and still have room for the food?

[frau kaleun]

The real question is: Is it big enough to keep Mr. Pecs cool until needed, and still have room for the food?

:hmmm:

:hmmm:

:hmmm:

:hmmm:

Clearly this is why God invented the pizza delivery industry. :O:

[TarJak]

:hmmm:

:hmmm:

:hmmm:

:hmmm:

Clearly this is why God invented the pizza delivery industry. :O:

So, other than for Mr. Pecs, what's the fridge for?

Oh that's right, beer!:Kaleun_Cheers:

[frau kaleun]

So, other than for Mr. Pecs,

I guess you guys are talking about this dude?

http://frothygirlz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/thor_trainer.jpg


LOL J/K I know who you mean, I just like reposting that picture. SORRY STEVE! :O:

[Wolferz]

New fridge?

Cool.:D

[TarJak]

New fridge?

Cool.:D

Ice say the punnery should be put on ice.

[Sailor Steve]

SORRY STEVE! :O:
For what? I never looked like that even in my best days. I was a 98-pound skinny weakling until I started working out. Then I became a 198-pound fat weakling. These days I'm stuck in the middle, my biggest excersize goal is to get to go swimming again someday.

[frau kaleun]

Ice say the punnery should be put on ice.

Let him pun if he wants to... it's a freon country, after all.

@Steve: I was just trying to rib you cuz I know you sometimes have a thing about people continually quoting and thus reposting the same pics all the way down a thread. :O:

[Red October1984]

LOL J/K I know who you mean, I just like reposting that picture. SORRY STEVE! :O:

I think it's funny that the link address is from frothygirlz.com :har: :har:

Since you can repost continually the same picture....I'll post a different picture of the same person. :o :O:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/946849_674678055880024_1364114717_n.jpg

Was on my facebook news feed this morning.... I was scrolling pretty fast til I saw those eyes. :O: :har:

Let him pun if he wants to... it's a freon country, after all.

BOOM! :arrgh!:

When I was at church camp, the meals did not go 5 minutes without somebody making a bad food pun.

Somebody would stand up with a gallon of milk and go "I think we're milking these puns for all their worth!" and stuff like that.

Don't ya just love puns. :sunny:



*We're derailed again! :rotfl2:

[TarJak]

Let him pun if he wants to... it's a freon country, after all:

Ooh that pun gives me chills.

[Red October1984]

Ooh that pun gives me chills.

:har:

I was trying to give you the cold shoulder

[Wolferz]

There's no rime or reason to this new train wreck.:huh:

Frau knows better than to keep her dream fella in the chiller. Cold would cause shrinkage and leave her blue.:03:

Icy we're way off the tracks.

[Sailor Steve]

@Steve: I was just trying to rib you cuz I know you sometimes have a thing about people continually quoting and thus reposting the same pics all the way down a thread. :O:
Ah. I didn't even think of that angle. Stupid Steve strikes again. :D

[Sailor Steve]

Don't ya just love puns. :sunny:
I do. Especially good ones. Too bad there haven't been any yet. :O:

[Wolferz]

I do. Especially good ones. Too bad there haven't been any yet. :O:
You're just jealous because you didn't think of them first.:O:

I'll give you an out by blaming it on your age. Not because you are older but, because you were exposed to leaded gasoline exhaust longer than most of us.:03:

[Sailor Steve]

You're just jealous because you didn't think of them first.:O:
I think the word you were looking for was "envious".

However, you raise a real hotpoint with me. It's a marvel you managed to get out of the heartland, but you've only lowered yourself into a whirlpool. We may tag you as less than useless at kitchen aid.

[frau kaleun]

However, you raise a real hotpoint with me. It's a marvel you managed to get out of the heartland, but you've only lowered yourself into a whirlpool. We may tag you as less than useless at kitchen aid.

And that, gentlemen, is how we do that. :haha:

See what you can accomplish if you just appliance yourself?

[Platapus]

I think the word you were looking for was "envious".


Jealousy v. envy is one of the peeves I like to pet. :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

@ Frau Kaleun: I just barely noticed your new 'Location'.
:rotfl2: :rock: :sunny:

[Wolferz]

I resemble that remark.:up:

[Wolferz]

@ Frau Kaleun: I just barely noticed your new 'Location'.
:rotfl2: :rock: :sunny:

Just like an undocumented immigrant.:03::haha:

[Red October1984]

I do. Especially good ones. Too bad there haven't been any yet. :O:

A Pun is a Pun no matter how bad. :03: Chill out will ya?

[Platapus]

A pun, at maturity, is fully groan.

[Sailor Steve]

And that is also how it should be done. :sunny:

Though I suspect not quite original.

[Red October1984]

I can't top that one. I'll need some time to think. :hmmm: :har:

[Wolferz]

He got that one from Ben Dover.:woot:

Use of symbols is for the symbol minded.^

[Dan D]

"I think I found my new home";
no comma here after "think".

Great thread anyway!

[Sailor Steve]

Why would there be a comma there?

[Red October1984]

Why would there be a comma there?

Depends on how you use the sentence I think.

Not sure. I've never been good at grammar. :-? Always hated it.

[Sailor Steve]

Depends on how you use the sentence I think.
And that's why I asked him, not you. I wanted to know what he meant before I commented.

[Red October1984]

And that's why I asked him, not you. I wanted to know what he meant before I commented.

Okay. Sorry.

Carry on... :timeout:

[Sailor Steve]

A pun, just for the Frau, written by Leonardo da Vinci.

"L'amore mi fa sollazar."

[Jimbuna]

Depends on how you use the sentence I think.

Not sure. I've never been good at grammar. :-? Always hated it.

As I've suggested before....you often don't think before you post :O:

[Red October1984]

As I've suggested before....you often don't think before you post :O:

I know...I know... :oops:

[Wolferz]

Posting requires thinking!?!?:know:

[frau kaleun]

Posting requires thinking!?!?:know:

Don't worry, we're in General Topics - where civility is mostly mandatory but thinking is always optional. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

No guesses yet? Okay, here's a hint, in Leonardo's own handwriting.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/Lamore_zps65be9aee.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/media/Lamore_zps65be9aee.jpg.html)

[Wolferz]

No guesses yet? Okay, here's a hint, in Leonardo's own handwriting.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/Lamore_zps65be9aee.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/media/Lamore_zps65be9aee.jpg.html)

Looks like Do Re Mi to me.

[Wolferz]

Don't worry, we're in General Topics - where civility is mostly mandatory but thinking is always optional. :O:
Be sure brain is in gear before mouth is engaged?

I stripped the synchronizers long ago trying to power shift without the use of a clutch.:O:

[frau kaleun]

It's one of his little puzzles, I think the idea is that the names of the notes spell out the phrase (more or less). My Italian ranges from rusty to nonexistent but I think it's something about being amused by love, or loving to be amused, or amusing himself in a loving fashion... which... er... let's just stop right there. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Yep. Wolferz figured it out plenty close enough.

"L'amore mi fa sollazar" is a play on the Italian for "Love gives me solace".

Of course "Amo" means "I love", but it is followed by re mi fa so and la.

I found it in the notes for an album I picked up which uses the phrase for its title. I don't know if Leonardo was a musician or composer among his other talents, but he did draw designs for several musical instruments. The beauty of this one is that while the songs are from various Renaissance composers, the instruments were all made from Leonardo's designs. :sunny:

Now back to our regularly scheduled program "Frau Kaleun tears down her house with her bare hands."

[Red October1984]

Now back to our regularly scheduled program "Frau Kaleun tears down her house with her bare hands."

When did it change from "Frau in the Condo"?

:har: I like the new title though.

[Wolferz]

It's a condo. Not a house.:hmmm:

But, it is nice to be given a peek into the urbane Frau Kaleun turning it into her home.:yeah:

I feel so voyeuristic.:D
I can't wait to see the new fridge.


Work is a spectator sport for me these days.:haha:

>sigh<

[Sailor Steve]

It's a condo. Not a house.:hmmm:
It's a separate building, not apartment-style. Therefore it qualifies as a house even if there is a condo association to deal with. As far as the dwelling itself goes the two are interchangable. Go pick somebody else's nits.

[frau kaleun]

It's a separate building, not apartment-style. Therefore it qualifies as a house even if there is a condo association to deal with. As far as the dwelling itself goes the two are interchangable. Go pick somebody else's nits.

Actually the building in question contains a whole row of condos, and I do share walls with the people in the next condo on one side. But I'm on the end so I'm not sandwiched in between two other units, and of course there's no one above or below since the units aren't stacked.

I don't care what it is, though, as long as it's mine and there's no yardwork involved. :haha:

[Wolferz]

I stand to correct myself after looking up the official definition for the word condominium: "apartment house"
Here's your nits. ,,, Feed them to your monkey.:03:

Nitpicking is a communal, socially acceptable behavior that keeps the group free of lice. But, if you wish to be lousy Steve, I won't stop you.:03:

Look at that Frau. You're still living in an apartment. The only difference being, you'll own said apartment after you pay your bank prescribed rent.:up:

[Red October1984]

I don't care what it is, though, as long as it's mine and there's no yardwork involved. :haha:

That's the spirit. :woot:

[Sailor Steve]

Actually the building in question contains a whole row of condos, and I do share walls with the people in the next condo on one side. But I'm on the end so I'm not sandwiched in between two other units, and of course there's no one above or below since the units aren't stacked.
So it's a townhouse. :D

I don't care what it is, though, as long as it's mine and there's no yardwork involved. :haha:
Given your penchant for repairs and such, I would have thought you'd like yardwork. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

I stand to correct myself after looking up the official definition for the word condominium: "apartment house"
Here's your nits. ,,, Feed them to your monkey.:03:

Nitpicking is a communal, socially acceptable behavior that keeps the group free of lice. But, if you wish to be lousy Steve, I won't stop you.:03:
:rotfl2: :rock:

Dang! With a comeback like that I'm gonna have to take back all the bad things I've said about you.

Naw, I'll just blame them on Armistead. :O:

Look at that Frau. You're still living in an apartment. The only difference being, you'll own said apartment after you pay your bank prescribed rent.:up:
The only downside I can see to that is you still have the Association, who can kick you out whether you own it or not. I can't see Frau doing anything that would precipitate that, though.

A house is not a home, but a home can be a house. If Frau tears down the house, does that make her a homewrecker?

[frau kaleun]

So it's a townhouse. :D

Officially, it's a landominium.

Given your penchant for repairs and such, I would have thought you'd like yardwork. :O:

I like repairs that can be done indoors in a climate-controlled environment with minimum exposure to wind, precipitation, bugs, assorted other creepy crawly things and other living beings in general. In short:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6304439040/hBC1061B7/

[Wolferz]

:rotfl2: :rock:

Dang! With a comeback like that I'm gonna have to take back all the bad things I've said about you.

Naw, I'll just blame them on Armistead. :O:

Great idea.:up:


The only downside I can see to that is you still have the Association, who can kick you out whether you own it or not. I can't see Frau doing anything that would precipitate that, though.

I'd wager that she'll soon be the head of the association, thus making herself immune to any and all repercussions.

A house is not a home, but a home can be a house. If Frau tears down the house, does that make her a home wrecker?



Demolition ...girl familiar with wrecking balls?:03:

[Red October1984]

I'd wager that she'll soon be the head of the association, thus making herself immune to any and all repercussions.

I instantly thought of the Companions in Skyrim. :har:

Frau will kick out the huntress who she hates...and keep some of who's left them around. Aaaannnd of course Ulfric will join... :arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

Don't worry, we're in General Topics - where civility is mostly mandatory but thinking is always optional. :O:

LOL....how true :)

[frau kaleun]

I'd wager that she'll soon be the head of the association, thus making herself immune to any and all repercussions.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :timeout: :nope:

No no no no no they are not putting me in charge of ANYTHING. Then other people would be coming to me with their problems.

I'm not even going to the meetings, it's just too risky.

I instantly thought of the Companions in Skyrim. :har:

Frau will kick out the huntress who she hates...and keep some of who's left them around. Aaaannnd of course Ulfric will join... :arrgh!:

Except the Harbinger isn't really the leader, so I don't think he/she is invested with that kind of power. Besides it's more fun to cure Farkas, Vilkas, and myself and leave her as the only WW in the whole crew. With that no longer part of the official tradition, she's the odd person out both in the Circle and in the group as a whole and her authority and status are greatly diminished. She's just a sad lonely relic who can't move on with the times. :haha:

Ulfic doesn't need to join, I just marry him or take him as a follower and then he's as much under my thumb as the game allows anyway. He is the most awesome follower, though, especially at high levels. :up:

[Red October1984]

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :timeout: :nope:

No no no no no they are not putting me in charge of ANYTHING. Then other people would be coming to me with their problems.

I'm not even going to the meetings, it's just too risky.

You seem to be responsible enough to own a house....what's going and sitting in a chair for a few minutes listening to people talk going to do? :O:

Except the Harbinger isn't really the leader, so I don't think he/she is invested with that kind of power. Besides it's more fun to cure Farkas, Vilkas, and myself and leave her as the only WW in the whole crew. With that no longer part of the official tradition, she's the odd person out both in the Circle and in the group as a whole and her authority and status are greatly diminished. She's just a sad lonely relic who can't move on with the times. :haha:

Ulfic doesn't need to join, I just marry him or take him as a follower and then he's as much under my thumb as the game allows anyway. He is the most awesome follower, though, especially at high levels. :up:

Been a while since I played some Skyrim.

You seem diabolical in the way you ruin lives. "You, I don't like you, I'm going to make you an outcast and nobody will like you." :O:

Maybe it's a good thing they aren't putting you in charge of the Association. :o

[frau kaleun]

You seem to be responsible enough to own a house....what's going and sitting in a chair for a few minutes listening to people talk going to do? :O:

I can't go any place where responsibilities are likely to be handed out, because someone will hand *me* one. And before my brain has the chance to answer "thank you but no" my mouth will be saying "oh sure I can do that for you." STORY OF MY LIFE. :dead:

Been a while since I played some Skyrim.

Tell me about it. :wah:

You seem diabolical in the way you ruin lives. "You, I don't like you, I'm going to make you an outcast and nobody will like you." :O:

Not really. It's not like I set out to do that to Aela, it's just how it turns out because that's the way it goes when you finish the questline and keep taking jobs from the twins. Assuming you cure yourself as well, which I do because I'd never be a WW if it wasn't forced on me during that storyline.

Having her left out in the cold at the end of it all is just a bonus, lol. I have played the questline where I stayed a WW long enough to do her totems quests, just so I could do them the one time, don't think I realized that I'd have her along on those fetch jobs which I hated.

OTOH when I play again I will have modded her character (which is screwed up quite a bit due to her vanilla class assignment) so that she's not quite as useless on those main faction quests where you're forced to do stuff with her. So maybe I won't hate her quite as much when she's not taking a knee after two hits and leaving me to deal with a roomful of enemies.

I'll still hate her though. I have a head canon of my own that explains, at least to my satisfaction, the way that questline plays out and it doesn't put her in a very good light. Or Skjor either, but he has the good grace to die early and not have a voice like an off-key trumpet in your ear.

[Dan D]

Why would there be a comma there?

A comma there would make no sense, or you could say, it would give the statement a whole different meaning:
"Frau Kaleun thinks she found her new home", which is what she actually said vs. " Frau Kaleun thinks,(and) she found her new home", which is not what she said.

I am learning English. My punctuation sucks. "comma or no comma", that is my new running, gag. Sorry!:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

I am learning English. My punctuation sucks. "comma or no comma", that is my new running, gag. Sorry!:salute:
Oh, okay. I'm sorry I missed the joke. If there's any way I can help, let me know. :sunny:

[Red October1984]

I can't go any place where responsibilities are likely to be handed out, because someone will hand *me* one. And before my brain has the chance to answer "thank you but no" my mouth will be saying "oh sure I can do that for you." STORY OF MY LIFE. :dead:

Well...that means you're a nice person. The moment you say no, they all hate you because "you always support us and our ideas" :dead: :O:

Try this book. It might work while plundering the dangerous caves of Skyrim. :D

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/minestrone/pages/41/attachments/original/1350504942/How_to_Say_No.png?1350504942

Tell me about it. :wah:

But you're going to build a Skyrim room though aren't you?

...only to have to redo it once the next TES game releases

I'll still hate her though. I have a head canon of my own that explains, at least to my satisfaction, the way that questline plays out and it doesn't put her in a very good light. Or Skjor either, but he has the good grace to die early and not have a voice like an off-key trumpet in your ear.

Why don't you use your infinite modding wisdom to mod Aela into at least a tolerable character?

I married her in my game so I could get free archery training. And now I think my Archery is around 85-90 (all I use is my bow)....but it's been a while since I played. I don't remember what it is. :doh:

[frau kaleun]

Well...that means you're a nice person.

No, it means I'm a Virgo, and attract responsibility like honey attracts ants, and part of me enjoys it, so I end up being put in charge of things and don't realize all the longterm repercussions of that until it becomes clear that I've been given more to bite off than I want to chew. That's when being a nice person becomes a problem, because it's very difficult for me to put down a responsibility once I pick it up because I don't want to inconvenience anyone or leave them in a difficult spot. :-?

But I am much better at saying 'no' than I used to be. A lot of it just comes with experience. Especially if someone is a bit overbearing and wants an answer RIGHT NOW, lol, because if you're not gonna let me think about it, then the only answer you're gonna get is 'no.'

Why don't you use your infinite modding wisdom to mod Aela into at least a tolerable character?

Impossible... well, not impossible, but far too much work to be worth it. Most notably, her character uses the voice that I hate the most of any in the game, so in order to make her tolerable that would be the first thing that would have to go, and since she has unique dialogue you can't just go into the game files and pick out a more pleasing Nord female voice that just says generic stuff and assign it to her.

I dislike (at the very least) just about every NPC who uses that VA - Iona "I HAVE NO INSIDE VOICE" the housecarl, Adrianne Avenicci, Rikke, I forget who else. Some of them are less irritating because their characters are more likable to me, but Aela loses there as well. Some of them you don't have to be around very much, but I like the Companions and if I do that faction (which I always do) I'm stuck dealing with her constantly for a good portion of it.

What I modded was her class, which gives her lousy primary skills for the gear she wears and carries and for a warrior NPC in general. Altho I think that may have been addressed by the Unofficial Patch - I probably don't have the latest version, so I'd have to check when I start modding/playing again. But I think I buffed her basic stats a little as well, so she wouldn't be so useless if I do the Companions at a low level.

I married her in my game so I could get free archery training.

Unless they patched something I've forgotten about, you don't have to marry her to get free training. You just have to take her as a follower, then pay for training, then go in her inventory and take the money back. I used to do that with Vilkas when I had him as a spouse/follower - but I could do it with any trainer if they were also following me. I only did it with Vilkas since we were married and it seemed stupid that he would make his wife pay for training... so that was more of an RP thing.

Unless you were just doing the same kind of RP thing with Aela, in which case, never mind. :O:

[Red October1984]

No, it means I'm a Virgo

I'm not really a horoscope person...but I'll look at mine today just for the heck of it.

"You're not sure if you really know what you're doing, but you should find that your people respond to your actions as if you're on the right track. Shrug your shoulders and keep on moving!" - Leo Horoscope for today

Well, that's probably about right for a lot of things. :hmmm:

As far as you attracting responsibility, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Too much is...but as long as you keep it under control you should be fine...right? :hmmm:

Impossible... well, not impossible, but far too much work to be worth it. Most notably, her character uses the voice that I hate the most of any in the game, so in order to make her tolerable that would be the first thing that would have to go, and since she has unique dialogue you can't just go into the game files and pick out a more pleasing Nord female voice that just says generic stuff and assign it to her.

Ah...I didn't think of that. :dead:

I dislike (at the very least) just about every NPC who uses that VA - Iona "I HAVE NO INSIDE VOICE" the housecarl, Adrianne Avenicci, Rikke, I forget who else.

:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

"Honey, I'm home. What's for dinn-"

"LOTS AND LOTS OF RABBITS!"

"Quiet down. You'll wake the neighbors...again."

What I modded was her class, which gives her lousy primary skills for the gear she wears and carries and for a warrior NPC in general. Altho I think that may have been addressed by the Unofficial Patch - I probably don't have the latest version, so I'd have to check when I start modding/playing again. But I think I buffed her basic stats a little as well, so she wouldn't be so useless if I do the Companions at a low level.

She's not useless to me really...Lydia was useless. Lydia was the most useless follower I've ever had in a Bethesda game. I almost cheered when she finally died. Even though she was carrying a lot of valuable stuff for me, when that dragon kicked her off the Throat of the World...it was priceless. Such a moment that makes me wish I could take screenshots on my Xbox.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gfROz_0qZtI/TVteOytQd_I/AAAAAAAAA5c/Ifbq-20-xF8/s400/so%2Bmuch%2Bwin.jpg

Unless they patched something I've forgotten about, you don't have to marry her to get free training. You just have to take her as a follower, then pay for training, then go in her inventory and take the money back. I used to do that with Vilkas when I had him as a spouse/follower - but I could do it with any trainer if they were also following me. I only did it with Vilkas since we were married and it seemed stupid that he would make his wife pay for training... so that was more of an RP thing.

Unless you were just doing the same kind of RP thing with Aela, in which case, never mind. :O:

Yeah. That's exactly what I do. Pay her and take it back.

It's not like money is an issue in Skyrim. This is the only game where I've never had money issues. I've got like 60K gold on me and another 30 or so in the bedside table in my house in Whiterun. "Free" training is nice though. Beats paying for it. This is why I married Aela. It's better than marrying that pointless lady who has the name that starts with "Y" who wanders around the market in Whiterun. She's some sort of Merchant i think.

I married Aela because she's got skills that will help me dominate Skyrim. :rotfl2: A merchant can't really do that.

[Wolferz]

I get all my followers killed to the point that they all run and hide when they see me coming.:haha:
Skyrim is a cold and lonely place when your reputation precedes you.:smug:

[frau kaleun]

I use UFO which makes followers a lot more fun and useful and also lets you make them essential if you like. I also use a "no friendly fire" mod that prevents them from taking damage from anything you accidentally hit them with. You can also make it so they don't take damage from ANY friendly hits, meaning that if you have multiple followers they can't accidentally kill each other. They still complain about it if they get hit with friendly fire, but it doesn't hurt them at all and as far as I can tell even multiple friendly hits won't cause them to go aggro on the perpetrator.

With that mod enabled I usually don't make followers essential any more since it's less likely that they'll get killed by running in front of my weapons or me doing something stupid. If they die and I'm not willing to accept it, I reload. Then it becomes a challenge to plan out the fight better so they survive it the next time.

I think Lydia always seems so useless because more often than not she's the first housecarl/follower you get, and so is usually acquired at a relatively low level. As far as stats, skills, and class, she's no different than any other housecarl, but if you get her at level 10 she's gonna seem far weaker than the other housecarls you may not meet until you've leveled up your character quite a bit. By then Lydia should have leveled up as well, but she may not have survived or you may be so disenchanted with her that you've left her at home to keep house instead of taking her anywhere. :haha:

As far as housecarls go Argis is definitely my favorite. My first playthrough he was the last one I got and by then he was a powerhouse. I remember watching him kill an enemy with nothing but shield bashes and I thought - well alrighty then, I think I'll keep him. :O:

I like Calder as well since I modded those horrible muttonchops off of his face. :nope:

After that, Jordis, Lydia, and Iona, in that order. Iona is a problem because of the voice - HONOR TO YOU MY THANE!! Seriously lady, Honeyside is a very small home so I think you can dial it down a notch. Lydia's voice is also irritating but IIRC they made some changes to it with one of the patches or DLCs and I haven't played since I got those so my opinion of her might change in the future.

Granted part of it is a gender thing, I'd much rather wander around Skyrim looking at buff dudes than pretty ladies. One queen to a hive, you know how it is. :O: So I rarely take female followers altho I make an exception here and there. That Orc chick in one of the strongholds who was just waiting around to be married off to some chieftain she'd never met - yeah, I sprang her from that cage but good. Still found the voice annoying, all Orc women sound like Marge Simpson on steroids to me. :haha:

Maybe when I play again with Hearthfire I'll go get her and move her into one of the houses as my steward or something. And maybe get that hawt male Orc follower to move in there with her, they'd probably make a nice couple.

[Red October1984]

Granted part of it is a gender thing, I'd much rather wander around Skyrim looking at buff dudes than pretty ladies. One queen to a hive, you know how it is. :O: So I rarely take female followers altho I make an exception here and there. That Orc chick in one of the strongholds who was just waiting around to be married off to some chieftain she'd never met - yeah, I sprang her from that cage but good. Still found the voice annoying, all Orc women sound like Marge Simpson on steroids to me. :haha:

Opposite for me. I'm a guy and that's kinda expected.

I'd rather it be semi-pretty fake women than a bunch of dudes in their underwear like it was in certain parts of Morrowind. :nope: But whatever floats your boat and keeps food on the table...

The voices never really bothered me too much. I do wish I could mod the game a bit though. That's the downside of paying for the Xbox version...but it is really fun on there...like Oblivion and Morrowind. I still think Morrowind was the best. Countless hours were devoted to that one. I just wish there had been a better fast travel than the silt striders and Mage's Guild.

As far as followers, I take them only if they can do something I can't. :know:

[frau kaleun]

As far as followers, I take them only if they can do something I can't. :know:

I take them for the company, and to tote my crap around. But mostly for the company, which is why the voices and personalities matter so much. And sometimes I get a quest at too low a level and know I'm not gonna get through it without some help. There's been times when I went all the way to Riften just to hire Marcurio because the Companions would send me some place I knew was gonna be too hard at my level.

Nice thing about UFO is that I can have multiple followers, which means that even on those Companions quests where I was stuck with a useless low level quest follower as a sidekick I could still have someone else along as backup. As much as I hate taking outside help on Companions jobs from a role-playing perspective, sometimes not doing that just made playing that faction a real PITA. That and the fact that Aela and Farkas were given BS class assignments which screwed over their stats and skills, but at least that's fixable with modding.

[Wolferz]

The bottomless bag mod made housecarl pack mules obsolete for me.

Mine only guard my properties. Out in the world, they just get in my way and I really hate it when they push me around from behind. I had great luck with the vampire chick. At least until the wench bit me.

[vienna]

"Honey, I'm home. What's for dinn-"

"LOTS AND LOTS OF RABBITS!"

Umm, were they boiling, in a pot, on the stove?...

<O>

[Red October1984]

Umm, were they boiling, in a pot, on the stove?...

I've got a fire pit in my house IIRC. :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

Rabbits on the fire?

It beats Mammoth cheese.:woot:

[Red October1984]

Rabbits on the fire?

It beats Mammoth cheese.:woot:

In real life I've shot and cooked a squirrel over a real fire pit in my back yard. :woot: :O:

[frau kaleun]

Umm, were they boiling, in a pot, on the stove?...

<O>

Well naturally. There's only one way to eat a brace of coneys. But what you REALLY need with that is some...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070513082351/uncyclopedia/images/c/cd/PoTaToes.gif

[frau kaleun]

Rabbits on the fire?

It beats Mammoth cheese.:woot:

Ugh, too right. I can never quite bring myself to eat the stuff. All I think of when I see Mammoth cheese is Giant toe jam. :dead:

OTOH I've eaten a Giant's toe to learn its alchemical uses so I probably shouldn't be so picky. :O:

[vienna]

Mmmm....taters.....


http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/5mDFTYzL0lE/hqdefault.jpg



<O>

[vienna]

OTOH I've eaten a Giant's toe to learn its alchemical uses so I probably shouldn't be so picky. :O:



...crawl at the bottom of Fox News screen:

"Frau Kaleun admits to foot fetish"


<O>

[Wolferz]

Ugh, too right. I can never quite bring myself to eat the stuff. All I think of when I see Mammoth cheese is Giant toe jam. :dead:

OTOH I've eaten a Giant's toe to learn its alchemical uses so I probably shouldn't be so picky. :O:
Plenty of meat on that tarsal. If you can get the nail off of it.:O:

[Red October1984]

Cannibal!
You WILL pay!

Can you really make me pay? I headshot a moving squirrel at 40 yards.

Lightsabers need to be close....but I won't let that happen. :arrgh!:

.22 Hollow Points work wonders.

[vienna]

Cannibal!
You WILL pay!

That picture reminded me of a strange and funny experience I had several years ago. I had some major surgery and I had to go ot the office of the surgeon to have the stiches removed. I had never been to his office before and the office happened to be in a small complex of builings on the westside of Los Angeles. I got a bit lost, so I decided to ask for directions in a gound floor office. As I walked (actually staggered a bit; I was using a cane) towards the office, I suddenly became aware of a very large group of squirrels coming out of the trees and bushes behind me. I got to the door, opened it, and got in just ahead of the squirrel group. Looking back through the large glass windows, I asked a young lady behind the reception desk if there was any cause for concern about the group of squirrels now massed at the office door (visions of a possible furry version of "The Birds" were in my mind). She laughed and said "No, they're very harmless. The pepole here in the offices feed them all the time, so, whenever they see someone, they assume that person has come to feed them." She got up, opened the door, and about half of the group ran in and proceeded to raid a dish of nuts and other snacks that were on a table in the foyer...

<O>

[Red October1984]

I find your lack of faith disturbing. The force will deflect your hollow points back at you.:D

Another great thing about Hollow Points.... They don't deflect. :haha:

They might fragment....but not deflect.

[Wolferz]

Can you really make me pay? I headshot a moving squirrel at 40 yards.

Lightsabers need to be close....but I won't let that happen. :arrgh!:

.22 Hollow Points work wonders.


No no no. I won't make you pay.:timeout: However, the Jedi squirrels are a different matter.:03: Especially if they're dark side.

[frau kaleun]

That picture reminded me of a strange and funny experience I had several years ago. I had some major surgery and I had to go ot the office of the surgeon to have the stiches removed. I had never been to his office before and the office happened to be in a small complex of builings on the westside of Los Angeles. I got a bit lost, so I decided to ask for directions in a gound floor office. As I walked (actually staggered a bit; I was using a cane) towards the office, I suddenly became aware of a very large group of squirrels coming out of the trees and bushes behind me. I got to the door, opened it, and got in just ahead of the squirrel group. Looking back through the large glass windows, I asked a young lady behind the reception desk if there was any cause for concern about the group of squirrels now massed at the office door (visions of a possible furry version of "The Birds" were in my mind). She laughed and said "No, they're very harmless. The pepole here in the offices feed them all the time, so, whenever they see someone, they assume that person has come to feed them." She got up, opened the door, and about half of the group ran in and proceeded to raid a dish of nuts and other snacks that were on a table in the foyer...

<O>

My parents went to visit some friends in Maryland once, who had a beautiful home with a huge back yard which opened out onto some woods. A big lovely deck all across the back of the house with glass doors that opened onto it from several rooms, including the guest bedroom. There were curtains hung at the doors, of course, that you could close for privacy.

Well it turned out this couple liked to toss food out for the woodland creatures from the deck and the doors. So my parents spend their first night in the guest room, get up early the next morning - before their hosts were up and about - and open the curtains only to find a whole army of assorted critters assembled on the deck staring back through the glass doors at them, waiting for their breakfast. :haha:

In other news I now cannot get anything done in the condo because I can't stop watching Game of Thrones. :wah:

[Red October1984]

My parents went to visit some friends in Maryland once, who had a beautiful home with a huge back yard which opened out onto some woods. A big lovely deck all across the back of the house with glass doors that opened onto it from several rooms, including the guest bedroom. There were curtains hung at the doors, of course, that you could close for privacy.

Well it turned out this couple liked to toss food out for the woodland creatures from the deck and the doors. So my parents spend their first night in the guest room, get up early the next morning - before their hosts were up and about - and open the curtains only to find a whole army of assorted critters assembled on the deck staring back through the glass doors at them, waiting for their breakfast. :haha:

Aha....city people... :har: :har:

I can turn around and look out the window behind me and see something moving around. My backyard is the woods...my front yard....woods.... :yeah:

When people who aren't used to that react, it makes for some good laughter.

[frau kaleun]

Aha....city people... :har: :har:

Nope. Well, my mother grew up in town, but my dad was born and raised in the Blue Ridge mountains at a time when if you wanted meat AT ALL you went out and killed it yourself. They lived in town for a while when they were first married but spent the last 50+ years of their lives living out in what was then considered "the country." When I was growing up we had one neighbor's house on the other side of the creek that we could see, but on all other sides it was woods and fields. My dad was still going out rabbit hunting with a shotgun when I was just old enough to be taken along.

But we didn't make a habit of throwing food out for the critters because we had a garden every year, and didn't want them to think our back yard was the place to go for free eats. :haha: We had deer and rabbits and squirrels and groundhogs and whatnot, we just didn't do anything to entice them that close to the house.

[Wolferz]

If we feed our timber tigers, they will come knocking when they're hungry and won't stop banging on the storm door until they get what they want. So we don't feed them. I had one come right up on the back step the other day and ask; "'sup dude?"

[Red October1984]

Nope. Well, my mother grew up in town, but my dad was born and raised in the Blue Ridge mountains at a time when if you wanted meat AT ALL you went out and killed it yourself. They lived in town for a while when they were first married but spent the last 50+ years of their lives living out in what was then considered "the country." When I was growing up we had one neighbor's house on the other side of the creek that we could see, but on all other sides it was woods and fields. My dad was still going out rabbit hunting with a shotgun when I was just old enough to be taken along.

But we didn't make a habit of throwing food out for the critters because we had a garden every year, and didn't want them to think our back yard was the place to go for free eats. :haha: We had deer and rabbits and squirrels and groundhogs and whatnot, we just didn't do anything to entice them that close to the house.

Well....nice to hear that you're not completely sheltered to the outside world of the woods. :O: :sunny:

Did you ever go hunting yourself or was it just not your thing?

[frau kaleun]

Well....nice to hear that you're not completely sheltered to the outside world of the woods. :O: :sunny:

Oh, on the contrary. I grew up in the country, digging in the dirt and falling out of trees and wading in creeks and getting yelled at for walking on the pond-ice in the wintertime. :haha:

Did you ever go hunting yourself or was it just not your thing?

I remember going rabbit hunting once with my father when I was very young. Younger than five or six and too young to realize exactly what was happening until we were home and he was cleaning the bunnies to be cooked for dinner.

Don't know if he still went hunting after that, but I don't recall going along. And I didn't eat any dinner that night either. :huh: :O:

Probably not much hunting done after that, TBH, since we moved to Alabama and lived in town there for about a year when I was six, then moved back. When we moved we sold the old house but kept the large plot of land next to it. When we moved back we built a new house on the land we'd kept. But my father was diagnosed as bipolar (or manic depressive, as they called it then) around that time and was in and out of hospital on a regular basis for a long time and in no state to be out hunting or handling guns.

[Red October1984]

Oh, on the contrary. I grew up in the country, digging in the dirt and falling out of trees and wading in creeks and getting yelled at for walking on the pond-ice in the wintertime. :haha:

Nice isn't it? :smug:

I remember going rabbit hunting once with my father when I was very young. Younger than five or six and too young to realize exactly what was happening until we were home and he was cleaning the bunnies to be cooked for dinner.

Don't know if he still went hunting after that, but I don't recall going along. And I didn't eat any dinner that night either. :huh: :O:

Probably not much hunting done after that, TBH, since we moved to Alabama and lived in town there for about a year when I was six, then moved back. When we moved we sold the old house but kept the large plot of land next to it. When we moved back we built a new house on the land we'd kept. But my father was diagnosed as bipolar (or manic depressive, as they called it then) around that time and was in and out of hospital on a regular basis for a long time and in no state to be out hunting or handling guns.

Sorry to hear about your Dad.

I remember my first time out hunting....we were after squirrels. I remember just sitting on rocks throughout our property just waiting. My dad would shoot and we'd go run up to get the squirrel...

Now my first blood...that's different.

I was in 2nd Grade...Had a .223 Single Shot rifle...and I was hell-bent on getting me a deer. I went in youth season and ended up bagging a coyote. :cool:

The next year, I shot my first deer at 10 yards with a .45 Long Colt Cowboy Repeater rifle.

Currently, I'm super-excited for deer season. I want to try out my new gun that I got for Christmas. The Savage Axis .223 :sunny: I've killed a deer every year since 3rd Grade. It's like Christmas in November

Waking up at 0400....dressing in camo....and stalking deer all day. That's the life right there. Everybody should have the chance to experience hunting before they die. Only if done correctly and safely. Poaching is wrong and it ruins it for everybody else.

[frau kaleun]

Just so's y'all don't think I did nothing but play couch potato all week, I did get a few small projects done... after I ran out of GoT episodes to watch. :O:

I mentioned a while back that I'd encountered a reason to look underneath the stove, unfortunately, and since what has been seen cannot be unseen I had to get back down there and clean it out a little. Somebody who lived here before sure loved to punch holes in things and then not patch them up when they're weren't needed any more.

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But I did what I could with the one arm I could get back in there while laying flat on the floor. :dead:

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Not a whole lot more I could do without pulling the whole unit out, which... no. Anyway,

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I also put some spice racks and other little storage racks up on the back of the pantry door.

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But I'm not sure I like the little folding stepstool hanging down at the bottom, so I may put it somewhere else and lower that last rack a little bit. :hmmm:

Also, I made a shelf for the counter in the kitchen to buy me a little extra storage space. I had this lovely bamboo board that I originally intended to use in the pantry but I ended up not needing it there and decided it was too pretty to be hidden away anyway.

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Found some legs at Ikea that looked like they might work for something relatively simple, and got to work.

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I treated it with mineral oil, like I do wood and bamboo cutting boards, because why not? It seemed like a good idea since it was just a hunk of untreated bamboo. Anyway I rearranged things a bit this morning but I really like how it turned out.

Finally bought a real office chair for in here last night, and a floor mat for it, so I hope to get that set up this weekend. I need to rearrange some stuff on my desk as well and will probably shut things down so I can unplug and move and reattach different things, also I hope to get an idea of what I might want in the way of cable managament for the back of the desk and longer/shorter cables where needed. But right now I'm back to working in the kitchen again to get it sorted after those few little projects and maybe I'll finish up organizing the pantry. :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Small jobs but a busy bee all the same :cool:

[Wolferz]

You know what they say...
"Idle hands are the devil's workshop"
:arrgh!: haaarrrr!

Looks like the wall behind the stove is going to need more than a little spackle and I didn't see an anti tip bracket anywhere. So don't set a heavy Turkey roaster on an open oven door.

[Platapus]

Also, I made a shelf for the counter in the kitchen to buy me a little extra storage space. I had this lovely bamboo board that I originally intended to use in the pantry but I ended up not needing it there and decided it was too pretty to be hidden away anyway.

...

Found some legs at Ikea that looked like they might work for something relatively simple, and got to work.







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Very clever! Consider this great idea of yours, stolen! :arrgh!:

[frau kaleun]

Very clever! Consider this great idea of yours, stolen! :arrgh!:

I have a feeling I may be stealing it from myself for uses elsewhere in the condo. It's not fancy but it does the job and the legs are stainless steel and quite nice looking. They're called "Capita" and come in three sizes - 4", 6", and 8"... or at least that's what they had at the local Ikea store.

They also have little pads on the bottom that should protect the surface they're sitting on as well as keep them from sliding around. And there is a spacer between the top of each leg and the bracket that can be adjusted to account for slightly uneven surfaces, which is very nice.

[Wolferz]

Taking a well deserved break Frau K?

Run out of projects?

Bored with the thought of starting another task?

Too busy with life pursuits?

Inquiring minds... et cetera et cetera.:O:
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I find your lack of exhaust port shielding disturbing.

[frau kaleun]

No break, really, just boring stuff like taking things out of boxes and sorting through them, deciding what I will keep and what can be boxed up for a yard sale or donation somewhere.

Next project will probably be putting carpet tile down in the back of the hall closet, it is under the stairwell and extends all the way around and under it but the back part beyond the "coat closet" front is just bare concrete. I have stuff sorted and packed up that I want to put in there, but I don't want to fill it up and then take it all out again to put some cushier flooring in there. I just need to measure the space so I know how much to get.

Also looking at putting together a different monitor stand for the office desk, the one I've been using doesn't raise the monitor up as high as I'd like given that I've got a proper adjustable office chair now and not a kitchen chair with a pile of chair pads on it. :O: Found a shelf board that should do at Home Depot (and I'll prolly pick up the carpet tile there as well) and I'll need to pick up another set of those stainless steel furniture legs from Ikea, provided they still have the 6" ones... I'm sure I saw them in the store but I don't see them on their web site so they may be phasing them out for some reason. :hmmm: Anyway if I can get the legs and the shelf that should be a fairly easy job.

Got a lot of stuff sorted through and put away in the office, working now on deciding what paint I want in there before I start getting more bookcases. The wall that the desk sits up against I want to paint black, but I think I'd like a lighter more neutral color for the other walls. Something that will coordinate with the black wall, the black/brown furniture, the beige carpet (since putting new flooring down would be a giant PITA) and the windows and trim which will probably stay white. And it can't clash with the aubergine curtains I found on clearance for the windows. I don't ask for much! :haha:

Granted most of the other walls will be covered up by bookcases and other storage furniture but all that plain white just looks unfinished to me... if the trim hadn't been painted white it wouldn't be so bad, but it's just TOO much white for a room that's not a kitchen or bath.

Also want to get some shelving up in the storage room off the kitchen, was all set to buy the first few bits of one of Ikea's systems but a couple things I wanted were out of stock and I suspect they may be redesigning them so I'm waiting on that. Plus I need to get some things out of there and into the hall closet first, and into the garage, but for that I need to remember to park the car outside and get up into the garage loft and see what's up there already. That'll be a weekend thing and I can only hope it cools off a bit before I get to it.

Also if all goes well I should have my new fridge next weekend! ICE MAKER WHOOOOOO!!!!! :woot:

[TarJak]

Shhhhhh She's busy watching Game of Thones Series 2

[frau kaleun]

Shhhhhh She's busy watching Game of Thones Series 2

Pffffft I haven't even bought it yet, and I'm NOT buying it yet, because if I had it... yeah, I'd totally be sitting on my arse watching it every night. :O:

[Wolferz]

Oopsie!

I tipped over the blurb box with a shameless bump.:88):03::O::up:

Carpet in a closet? Must be a woman thang.:hmmm:
But I did discover that your condo is built on a slab.:haha:

[Herr-Berbunch]

Pffffft I haven't even bought it yet, and I'm NOT buying it yet, because if I had it... yeah, I'd totally be sitting on my arse watching it every night. :O:


Buy it, NOW!

I've only watched the first one of S2 so far, but it's going well so far. :yeah:

[frau kaleun]

Buy it, NOW!

I've only watched the first one of S2 so far, but it's going well so far. :yeah:

I'll be off work the first week of September, so I'll probably get it then. That way I can watch it all and still have time every day to get some work done. :D

@Wolferz: it's not that I insist on having carpet in the closet, but since it's under a stairwell access to about half of it involves getting down on one's knees and my knees and concrete do not like each other. :nope:

In the absence of any spare carpet that I can cut to fit, some basic carpet tile seems like the best way to go. It's not that expensive and I can put it down myself. It's in the back of the closet so I'm less concerned with how it looks than just having something there that isn't cold bare concrete.

[Wolferz]

Just yankin your chain darlin.:03:

It's your home and you can customize it to suit your kneeds.:D

[Red October1984]

But I did discover that your condo is built on a slab.:haha:

Every building is built on a slab....called the foundation. :woot: :O:

[vienna]

Frau, I saw an episode of "WKRP" yesterday in which Johnny Fever bought a condo for himself and it looked suspiciously similar to yours on the interior. Life imitiating fiction or...

<O>

[Jimbuna]

Every building is built on a slab....called the foundation. :woot: :O:

You might want to do some research first because I can think of three differing types off the top of my head and only one incorporates a 'slab'.

[vienna]

You might want to do some research first because I can think of three differing types off the top of my head and only one incorporates a 'slab'.


You have three different types of foundations on the top of your head? Sounds painful... :hmmm:

<O>

[soopaman2]

My grandmothers home in Florida was built on a slab, a straight concrete block, no basement, but with hurricane/tornado proof support beams, steel and concrete.

My place in NJ has an underground basement, though , usually dry.
Superstorm/hurricane/frankenstorm/whatevertheheck Sandy did a good job on it, it is the exception, not the rule.

My uncle in Alabama, while not so much in a flood area, lives kinda in a filled in swamp, lives on piles, as a foundation. No basement for him, but no need for flood insurance either.

Lucky ducky!:D

[Wolferz]

Every building is built on a slab....called the foundation. :woot: :O:

I beg to differ my young friend. You can have a foundation without a solid concrete slab. The foundation walls can be framed and poured into a trench around the circumference of the structure. There is a footer poured into the trench, usually below the frost line for the area it's built in. In the case of a home with a basement, yes there's a slab floor poured into the void and the foundation walls consisting of poured cement or concrete blocks set on top of it.
I had Architectural drafting classes in my final two years of high school. The senior year was a two hour class at the end of the school day where we designed and built a huge concession stand with a garage on the football field during the second semester. Talk about hands on instruction.:yeah:
My plans were chosen as the basis for the project.:D
The first semester assignment was a home design that I think a classmate's contractor father copied and used without my permission.:-?

My parent's home had an earthen crawl space under the floors, with a block foundation.
A slab foundation serves double duty as a foundation and a floor. Which makes for an interesting experience when you need to get at the plumbing.:hmmm:

[soopaman2]

I beg to differ my young friend. You can have a foundation without a solid concrete slab. The foundation walls can be framed and poured into a trench around the circumference of the structure. There is a footer poured into the trench, usually below the frost line for the area it's built in. In the case of a home with a basement, yes there's a slab floor poured into the void and the foundation walls consisting of poured cement or concrete blocks set on top of it.
I had Architectural drafting classes in my final two years of high school. The senior year was a two hour class at the end of the school day where we designed and built a huge concession stand with a garage on the football field during the second semester. Talk about hands on instruction.:yeah:
My plans were chosen as the basis for the project.:D
The first semester assignment was a home design that I think a classmate's contractor father copied and used without my permission.:-?

My parent's home had an earthen crawl space under the floors, with a block foundation.
A slab foundation serves double duty as a foundation and a floor. Which makes for an interesting experience when you need to get at the plumbing.:hmmm:


So agree on the plumbing on solid slabs. , when you got contractor grade tools, all your relatives expect you to do contractor grade things.



I messed up on grannys house, I released a cloud of radium and herpes on her, but hey, her second toilet works great!:)

[Wolferz]

I messed up on grannys house, I released a cloud of radium and herpes on her, but hey, her second toilet works great!:)


The HORROR!.:haha:

What? No Benzene?:-?

[Jimbuna]

You have three different types of foundations on the top of your head? Sounds painful... :hmmm:

<O>

It would be if I wasn't so thick skinned.

[Jimbuna]

I beg to differ my young friend. You can have a foundation without a solid concrete slab. The foundation walls can be framed and poured into a trench around the circumference of the structure. There is a footer poured into the trench, usually below the frost line for the area it's built in. In the case of a home with a basement, yes there's a slab floor poured into the void and the foundation walls consisting of poured cement or concrete blocks set on top of it.
I had Architectural drafting classes in my final two years of high school. The senior year was a two hour class at the end of the school day where we designed and built a huge concession stand with a garage on the football field during the second semester. Talk about hands on instruction.:yeah:
My plans were chosen as the basis for the project.:D
The first semester assignment was a home design that I think a classmate's contractor father copied and used without my permission.:-?

My parent's home had an earthen crawl space under the floors, with a block foundation.
A slab foundation serves double duty as a foundation and a floor. Which makes for an interesting experience when you need to get at the plumbing.:hmmm:

The three that immediately spring to mind are strip, piled and raft.

My property 'floats' on polystyrene rafts.

[Wolferz]

My property 'floats' on polystyrene rafts.


House boat?

[frau kaleun]

House boat?

Sure, just look at the title under his avatar... he's the chief of the darn thing.








Until Mrs. Buna comes home. :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Better to live on a houseboat than a boathouse. :sunny:

[frau kaleun]

Got the monitor stand sorted. :yeah:

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Raises the monitor up about as high as possible, and is plenty wide enough to let me slide the keyboard up underneath it when I want it out of the way. Also far sturdier than the one I was using.

I don't know if I mentioned that I finally got the desk lamp that I wanted, but you can certainly see the glare of it in that picture. Here it is in all its glory:

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Even up high like that it still lights up the desktop quite well, and the quality of the light seems really good to me so far... I liked the Ottlite tasklight I got so much that I got one of their desk lamps and I'm pretty happy with it. I don't think I'm having the kind of eyestrain trying to read at the desk that I had with the lamp I used to have which was right down on the desktop over what I was looking at.

Also got some cord management stuff at Ikea and Microcenter... might not need all the stuff I got at the latter place so I haven't opened it yet. We'll see once I get the Ikea stuff up under the desk, which I should be able to do this weekend when I have time to unplug stuff and move the desk out a little.

[Wolferz]

:up: I'm going to look into doing the same thing with my monitor. Thanks for the idea. As it is now, I find myself always craning my neck to view the monitor. With a herniated cervical disc it becomes a bit painful.:nope:

[Jimbuna]

Looking pretty cool frau :cool:

[AVGWarhawk]

Should hook the CPU up to your large screen TV. Gaming larger than life! :D

[soopaman2]

Should hook the CPU up to your large screen TV. Gaming larger than life! :D

*springboarding off this comment*

From someone who is a huge gamer, I highly suggest attaching an HD cable from your GPU port to your TV.

Turns any game from good to awesome.

It actually turned a pile of rehashed crap like the latest Call of Duty into somewhat playable.

Imagine what it would do to a an actual good game, Like SH3 with gwx, it looks nice, trust me.:D

[Red October1984]

Should hook the CPU up to your large screen TV. Gaming larger than life! :D

+1

I'd do that if my laptop had an HDMI port. :woot:

[AVGWarhawk]

What's funny is my two daughters play on a 52 inch screen with the Play Station 3. I'm still using a 21 inch monitor when I do get to play. :-?

[Jimbuna]

What's funny is my two daughters play on a 52 inch screen with the Play Station 3. I'm still using a 21 inch monitor when I do get to play. :-?

Just so long as you know ypor position in the household pecking order...pay the bills, put food in their mouths and see they are adequately clothed and you'll live a lot longer :):03:

[AVGWarhawk]

Just so long as you know ypor position in the household pecking order...pay the bills, put food in their mouths and see they are adequately clothed and you'll live a lot longer :):03:

I have been assigned all of the above. It is my lot in life. But, I would not have it any other way. :)

Ok, back to "Today with Frau." :)

[frau kaleun]

I can (and did, in the apartment) run a connection from my GPU to the TV in the same room with my computer. But that was just so I could play a DVD/Bluray if I so desired, using the computer to play it and the TV as a second monitor to display it.

But I doubt if I would ever play games on the TV. One thing I like about playing them on the PC (as opposed to a TV/console type setup) is that I can get much closer to the monitor and still be comfortable than I can the TV. Then there's the whole issue of where do I put the keyboard and mouse when that's what I'm using to play the game? I'd have to set up a secondary tabletop just for those and then move them over to that, assuming that I still got a good enough wireless signal on both in the new position.

I can see firing up a game on the TV once in a while just to see what it looks like, but my monitor's display specs are probably as good as this TV's are and it's a 27" so I don't feel that cheated in terms of the size of the picture.

In short, might be fun just for gits and shiggles but probably not something I'd go to all the trouble for in order to play that way regularly. But it's something to think about for the future, for instance if I decide to get a folding TV tray or something in here that I could set up for that sort of thing. I guess since I usually play with headphones the issue of sounds seeming to come from the wrong direction given my speaker setup wouldn't be an issue.

Altho it would probably just make me want to get a much larger TV for in here, and that's a temptation I should probably avoid. :O:

Edit: darn it you guys, now I want a bigger TV for in here. I do *have* a bigger TV, but that one was destined for the bedroom. Now... I dunno.

[Wolferz]

You know you want a bigger one in the bedroom.:03:

[frau kaleun]

You know you want a bigger one in the bedroom.:03:

I tend to shop for the biggest one that will fit. Not that it's done me any good in the long run. :O: