Diving me mad - CTD

[craigt47]

Hi guys and girls,

Can someone here help please as this is driving me mad.

PC spec:
i7 Ivy bridge 4.5 water cooled
8GB 1600 ram
800w PSU
XFX 6950

I have SH5, updated to 1.2. The game crash after just a few seconds. my screen goes black there seems to be game sounds for a few seconds and then sounds goes stuttery like BSOD. This happens when you are pulling out the Harbor in the campaigne.

What i have done so far:
Ripped the system out and rebuilt
re flashed Bios
Fresh install of windows
reformat system
stress test GPU and CPU for about 3 hours no errors reported
SH5 default install - runs fine (hence i think it is mod related)

Mod list:
Accurate German Flags
Cerberus62 Corrected Depth Charge Projector 1.0
Dynamic Environment SH5-V2.1
Equip_Upgrades_Fix_1_4_AFFOE_151
FX_Update_0_0_19_ByTheDarkWraith
IRAI_0_0_30_ByTheDarkWraith
MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 Alt w beards
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_alt_officer_wounded_by_Torpedo
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_AltAdvSpeedGraphics_by_naights
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ByTheDarkWraith
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_Das_Boot_Crew_Mod_by_Illyustrator
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ERM_Reaper7_NightVision
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ERM_Reaper7_NightVision_Black_Ski n
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_jimimadrids_map_tools
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_New_radio_messages_German
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_No_Snorkel_Exhaust_Smoke
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_RadCapTools_0_2_alpha
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_Real_Navigation
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_WWIIInterface_by_naights
No Logo Intro Menu_Animation v. 01.00 by AvM
NOZAURIO'S SKIN (Standar No Emblem) v-1.1.0
OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2
Reworked Morale and Abilities v.1.1
SH5_7A_Conning_Fix
SH5Lifeboats_by_Rongel_TDW_stoianm_v2.11
smaller flags for Warships 1_0b
SteelViking&Com Underwater ModV1.0
SteelViking's Interior Mod V1.2
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 additional crew sounds beta6
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 HOTFIX 3
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional scary creaks
TDW_Mines_Subnets_Detectable_in_hydro (OH II v2)
Trevally Automated Scripts v0.6
Trevally Harbour & Kiel Canal Pilot v2.9
Trevally Tutorials - All v0.2 (for TDW UI)

If anyone had got any idea it would be very thankful.

[THE_MASK]

For a start
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_Scopes (do not enable - read)

oh , and hello .

[Fish In The Water]

I'm still fairly new to SH5, so I don't claim to be an expert on all the mods just yet. But based on what you've done so far, (and given that stock is running), I'd suggest a trial and error check by testing one mod at a time.

I now it's time consuming, but often it's the only way to nail down exactly which mod is causing the issue.

Just looking at your list, I see you've already got 'Dynamic Environment' enabled plus 'SteelVikings Underwater,' so there could be a possible conflict there. Not saying it's so, but that's where I'd start.

If they both pass, I'd move on to NewUIs by TDC. I know this one causes stuttering during load, but I haven't heard about the harbor issue before. :06:

Good luck! :sunny:

[craigt47]

Sorry, i did not enable the do not enable scope mod.

[Trevally.]

Does this ctd happen when you start a new career.
Have you made any changes with the options editor

[Zky]

Personally I dont have much patience, so some times I just throw some new mods in and well it happens that there is a ctd on first start, then I move around the mods I just installed. If it doesnt help it have happend that I just take out all my mods and throw them in again in a order that looks good to me and try to play, worked last time I fixed a CTD.

My way is not very good and can create problems but I dont have any patience so what ever floats your boat so to say :smug:

[THE_MASK]

There are some tools to help .
In the mod
NewUIs with TDC for SH5 by TheDarkWraith you will find the applications
JSGME mod validator and SH5 Validator .

Also in the mod NewUIs with TDC for SH5 by TheDarkWraith is the application Dbgview . Place Dbgview on your desktop and click on it to run before you run SH5 .

Open the mod enabler with all your mods enabled and click on Tasks\save mod profile . Now un enable all your mods by clicking on disable all mods . Now click on Tasks\generate snapshot of game files . Now enable all your mods by clicking on Tasks\save mod profile . Now click on Tasks\load mod profile . Once all the mods are loaded click on Tasks\compare game files to snapshot . Save the snapshot to file . Now you can see new files the mods add and NEW,SAME,DIFFERENT .
EG:
data\Campaigns\CampaignProjects\Missions\Mare_Nost rum_M\HT_DFN_Patrol9.mis NEW
data\Campaigns\CampaignProjects\Missions\Mare_Nost rum_M\HT_FK_Patrol0.mis DIFFERENT
data\Campaigns\CampaignProjects\Missions\Mare_Nost rum_M\HT_MES_Patrol2.mis SAME

[GT182]

You're computer looks to be fine to run SH5, and I don't think it's the CTD cause.

By any chance did you happen to install any mods directly out of the zipfiles, or the extracted mod folder directly to JSGME's MOD folder in SH5, and not check what was in the folder? If so the Document folders or and readmes, if they had/have them, would be installed. They can/will corrupt the mod install and cause the sim to CTD. Or if they don't cause CTD they can cause a Microsoft error message and cause the sim to shutdown when you click Send or Don't send.

[kiwi_2005]

sound stutter could mean sound card driver problem not the game problem. I couldn't get SH5 working at all for 2 weeks this was after going back to Windows 7 64bit from windows 8. Now its working fine with only a small mod list enabled.

Before i went to win 8 and running win7 it didn't matter how large the mod list was the game ran without any ctd. This time round with a fresh install of win7 updated to sp1, video drivers etc SH5 will crash with any mods longer than what im using

Try this mod list and if it works then ctd could be from any other mods you left out, i could probably add one or two more but once its too big i'll get CTD everytime now. So i stick to the small mods trying to set it up to make the game playable for my liking.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2yp0kkx.jpg

[craigt47]

Hi guys,

Sorry for the delay, i have been away. I will try the one by one approach and see what happens. Will report back

Thanks for all the suggestions.

[craigt47]

Hi guys,

Quick update, still having the problem.

I have just gone with 3 mods (as this is min i would take). However, below is JSGME mod validator read out as i am still having the problem. Any idea?

JSGME Mod Validator v1.0.11.0 by TheDarkWraith

D:\Ubisoft\MODS\JSGMEModValidator_v1_0_11_ByTheDar kWraith\jsgmemodvalidator.cfg exists=True
Reading in items to look for in mods...
not looking for any items

using Silent Hunter 5

SH5 version is 1.2.0.0

MODS installed:
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod
NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ByTheDarkWraith
OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2

Validating mods...

Validating d:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS\Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod
d:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS\Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod installed correctly

Validating d:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS\NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ByTheDarkWraith
d:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS\NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ByTheDarkWraith installed correctly

Validating d:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS\OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2
d:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS\OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2 installed correctly

Checking for items to look for...
no items to look for defined

Determining each mod conflict's conflicting files...

Mod conflicts:
+D = creation dates equal, -D = creation dates not equal
+A = last accessed dates equal, -A = last accessed dates not equal
+W = last accessed write dates equal, -M = last accessed write dates not equal
+S = sizes equal, -S = sizes not equal

OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2 conflicts with NewUIs_TDC_7_1_0_ByTheDarkWraith
\data\RadioMessages\WWIIShipNames.txt -D -A +W +S
\data\RadioMessages\English\1941\03\radiomessages. txt -D -A +W +S
\data\RadioMessages\English\1941\04\radiomessages. txt -D -A +W +S
\data\RadioMessages\English\1943\03\radiomessages. txt -D -A +W +S
\data\Roster\SOANNames.cfg -D -A -W -S
\data\Sea\NKMSS_HogIsland\NKMSS_HogIsland.cfg -D -A -W +S
\data\Sea\NKSCS_N3SA1\NKSCS_N3SA1.cfg -D -A -W +S
\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat2a\NSS_Uboat2a.dsd -D -A -W -S
\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat7a_AI\NSS_Uboat7a_AI.dsd -D -A -W -S
\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat7b_AI\NSS_Uboat7b_AI.dsd -D -A -W -S
\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat7c41_AI\NSS_Uboat7C41_AI. dsd -D -A -W -S
\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat7c_AI\NSS_Uboat7c_AI.dsd -D -A -W -S
\data\Submarine\NSS_Undine\NSS_Undine.dsd -D -A -W -S

OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2 conflicts with Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod
\data\Sound\motor_Diesel_LOOP.wav -D -A -W -S
\data\Sound\Sh.sdl -D -A -W -S
\data\Sound\Submarine_diesel_exterior.wav -D -A -W -S

[Targor Avelany]

depending on your computer, it might not be able to handle all the extra ships in the harbor. Try going with OHII base and enviro parts.

[Trevally.]

Try one at a time and start new career after adding each - just get to stage where you can take to sea before adding the next mod.

Then let us know at what stage it stopped working and we can then help:up:

[craigt47]

Hi,

So i started with just OH11 only and got the same problem. I have tried the full and bases version. Any ideas? I am starting to think this might be hardware problem. I ran some stress tests the temps are:
CPU: 67
GPU: 75 - xfx 6950

Temps seem to be ok, so i then thought power. I have 750w PSU which should be more than enough for my system. I have noticed that the water in the loop is very low. So this might be leading to the pump rushing and drawing on power, causing the power in increase along with the demands of GPU could be causing power outs. I have just filled the loop and will report back.

[Trevally.]

Hi,

So i started with just OH11 only and got the same problem. I have tried the full and bases version. Any ideas? I am starting to think this might be hardware problem. I ran some stress tests the temps are:
CPU: 67
GPU: 75 - xfx 6950

Temps seem to be ok, so i then thought power. I have 750w PSU which should be more than enough for my system. I have noticed that the water in the loop is very low. So this might be leading to the pump rushing and drawing on power, causing the power in increase along with the demands of GPU could be causing power outs. I have just filled the loop and will report back.

OHII v2 Full should work fine with your system on a fresh SH5 stock - patched to v1.2:hmmm:

Could be an issue with the download - you should try a fresh version of OHII:yep:

[craigt47]

Hummm Just filled the loop! happened again! i am stumped!

[craigt47]

Ok, so clean install with oh11. No joy. I did download it again. I really not sure this is a mod issue. If it was a mod issue would the game just CTD or hang? My problem is screen goes black, computer hangs and then a forced restart is required.

Are there any debug reports for sh5, if so where are they? I have looked at the event viewer and all I can see is critical that relates to unexpected shutdown. I think there might be a bsod happening, is there a problem that will record it?

[THE_MASK]

Its not a dodgy graphics card ? Try downclocking it with the graphics card software and see if it still happens .

[GT182]

Is this the download version of SH5 or the DVD version?

If it's the download, then that's the reason for CTDs. I can't remember which ones, but some of TDW's UI mods will cause the crash with running the download version.

Someone needs to start a thread on this problem with reasons and have it made a Stickie. Maybe in both SH5 forums would be a good idea too. It could save a lot of headaches for those just getting into SH5, and save us time on finding out which version they're running.

[volodya61]

Is this the download version of SH5 or the DVD version?

If it's the download, then that's the reason for CTDs. I can't remember which ones, but some of TDW's UI mods will cause the crash with running the download version.

There is no problem with the downloaded versions..
The problems causes only with the steam versions..

[craigt47]

I will down scale the card and report back. It is a box version of the game.

[GT182]

There is no problem with the downloaded versions..
The problems causes only with the steam versions..

Sorry.
That's what I meant..... Steam. :oops:

[craigt47]

Ok fixed it!!!!

If anyone has a 6950 then you will need to set the GPU fan to 50%. It seems that the card is overheating causing Black screen and system crash. It is a built in function with GPU so not to destroy the card.

It might be a faulty card so i am RMA it to be on the safe side. However, for now all is well.

[Tro1086]

Were those temps you posted in C or F? If there in F then that is REALLY cool, but if they are in C, then that is a bit warm. You mention water cooling but then you talk about the GPU fan, so Im assuming you only have the water cooling on the CPU? If your CPU is water cooled then 67C seems extremely hot, you should get better temps than that.

You should be able to set your GPU fan to automatically adjust fan speed with heat increase, they normally do this from the factory. And if you get a program like MSI Afterburner you can create your own "fan speed vs. temp" graph and adjust it to your liking.

The problem may not be the GPU at all but could also be a problem with the ventilation of your case. My old comp just had a single large exhaust fan in the rear and a small intake fan on the side. The rear fan began failing and would only spin very slow or not at all, but I didnt realize because it was a pretty quiet fan. I would be able to game for a while but eventually without good ventilation the case would build up enough heat inside the GPU would overheat and system would hang, black screen, and forced reset, exactly like what you said yours did. The game I was playing most at that time was very temperamental to begin with (much like all SH5 games seem to be) so I just assumed it was a software problem with the game/mods/addons. I chased the problem forever thinking it was a software issue, finally to figure out in the end it was just my $10 fan had **** the bed. Put new fan in and game was running fine again.

I have water cooling on a AMD Phenom II 975 quad core and a Radeon HD 5770, there both in the same loop, with a 360x120mm radiator. There both overclocked with more voltage(heat). They both idle around 30-32c depending on room temp. The highest I have ever seen the CPU go while stress testing is about 45c, but it never gets that high during gaming. With Kombuster stressing the GPU 100% it will only get up in the low 40's. Before I had the GPU water cooled It would get up maybe in the 60's. It was a ****ty reference cooler and when the fan ramped up it sounded like a hair dryer. So to me the best part about water cooling is the just the quietness of it. A few quiet fans in the case and a few quiet fans on the radiator. No matter how hard you stress the computer the sound is always the same, no GPU fan ramping up sounding like a jet engine preparing for take off!

[THE_MASK]

Ok fixed it!!!!

If anyone has a 6950 then you will need to set the GPU fan to 50%. It seems that the card is overheating causing Black screen and system crash. It is a built in function with GPU so not to destroy the card.

It might be a faulty card so i am RMA it to be on the safe side. However, for now all is well.Just download smart doctor and put the fan setting on smartcooling . Also run the antilag at 38fps .