Well you know some one has to ask - waht about the twisty periscope thingy?

[rascal101]

Hi to you - I'm no modder, not skilled or clever enough but thoise who are seem to be making some progress with turning SH5 into a vialble game - despite the best efforts of Ubisoft I may add

Any way I remeber in SH3 there was a mod that accurately portrayed the twisty loop thingy round the length of perescopes which were used to disperse the tell-tale perescope bow-wave when submerged - is any one able to confirm if this can be done in SH5

And while we are about it - so much effort was spent on getting the Radio Loop to raise in SH3 - is any one looking into repeating this in SH5 - not to mention radar when or if we ever get one -

By the way I'm playing arounf mid 1941 - I have a heap of points but have not seen any new subs or upgrades for a while - I know the game centres on the Type 7 - are there any other upgrades to look forward to apart from a single conning tower upgrade and some new AA guns - or is that all you get

Regards
R

[LukeFF]

Any way I remeber in SH3 there was a mod that accurately portrayed the twisty loop thingy round the length of perescopes which were used to disperse the tell-tale perescope bow-wave when submerged - is any one able to confirm if this can be done in SH5

It's already there.

[rascal101]

Where?

Its not on my stock game and I havnt seen a mod for it - not on the observation scope mast nor on the attack scope mast

[rascal101]

Repaeat where is the twisty thing and whre is the radio mast I dont see it or a command for either

Please enlighten us

R

It's already there.

[kylania]

Twisty thing in question:

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4316/2005914216133225.jpg

[mobucks]

i believe the obs scope has one twisty tethered around it you can see in the control room. but thats it.

[Kptlt_Lynch]

Attack scope was the one that had the disruption wire around it.
I'd like to see the round antenna working again a' la' GWX too.

[oscar19681]

i believe the obs scope has one twisty tethered around it you can see in the control room. but thats it.

What are you talking about? It should only be visable on the outside.

[rascal101]

Once more for the slow ones - On my game there is no disrupter coil, you cannot see it on either scope inside or out. OK


SO the question remains is there a way to get these in the game FOR THOSE OF US WHO DONT HAVE THEM IN THE GAME and while were about it has any one worked out how to raise the radio loop arial


R

What are you talking about? It should only be visable on the outside.

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Bump once for a must have feature. You would think that they would at least have the radio loop up and turning after all.
I mean geeb-us, I can not mod anything like that and get tired of asking others to do it.
I appreciate everything, but after a while I feel guilty for all the hard work you guys put in fixing stuff, that in my mind should be in the game not as extras but as must have inorder for it to even be considered realistic.
Imagine a train sim being released and the locomotives don't puff smoke, or have a whistle ?
So once again Hats off to you guys. ( insert a serious salute here )


Also, a side note, where's the Biscay Cross ? I have seen some posted pics with it, but have not found the mod for it, is it actually in game ?

[RFB Team]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/LukeFF/SH5Img2010-04-13_1637.jpg

This is very simple to mod. First, open up the SNS file in each submarine's folder (/Data/Submarine/NSS_***). You will see two lines in there for the periscopes:

LinkName=atack_periscop,data\Objects\Sensors\UBoot _Sensors

and


LinkName=obs_periscop,data\Objects\Sensors\UBoot_S ensors


Change atack_periscop to atack_periscop_wire and obs_periscop to obs_periscop_wire. That's all there is to it.

[reaper7]

This is very simple to mod. First, open up the SNS file in each submarine's folder (/Data/Submarine/NSS_***). You will see two lines in there for the periscopes:



and



Change atack_periscop to atack_periscop_wire and obs_periscop to obs_periscop_wire. That's all there is to it.


Nice find, thanks :up:

[Kptlt_Lynch]

You gotta be kidding........

why the heck didn't they release it that way!!

[kylania]

Was it only the attack scope that had this feature or did the obs too? I took a quick peek online and in my VII sub book, and only found pictures of attack scopes with it.

I made up a real quick mod with all the attack scopes changed, but if the obs scopes should have it I can add that too. All thanks to RFB's find of course. :)

[LukeFF]

Was it only the attack scope that had this feature or did the obs too? I took a quick peek online and in my VII sub book, and only found pictures of attack scopes with it.

Yes, this is something I'm not sure about. I have seen one photo in which the caption claims the periscope pictured with the wires is the observation one, but the angle at which the shot was taken makes this conclusion a shaky one. I'm going to keep looking to see if I can find more conclusive evidence.

[rascal101]

Why thank you have added the required editing will see if this works

Interesting to note there is also an entry for the radio direction ariel, see below so does this mean there is a way to activate it or raise and lower it or have it raise and lower automatically when surfaced or submerged - any one know the answer


;RadioDF
[Sensor 8]
NodeName=D01
LinkName=Dummy_Round_Antena,data\Objects\Sensors\U Boot_Sensors
StartDate=19380101
EndDate=19451231




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/LukeFF/SH5Img2010-04-13_1637.jpg

This is very simple to mod. First, open up the SNS file in each submarine's folder (/Data/Submarine/NSS_***). You will see two lines in there for the periscopes:



and



Change atack_periscop to atack_periscop_wire and obs_periscop to obs_periscop_wire. That's all there is to it.

[LukeFF]

Why thank you have added the required editing will see if this works

Interesting to note there is also an entry for the radio direction ariel, see below so does this mean there is a way to activate it or raise and lower it or have it raise and lower automatically when surfaced or submerged - any one know the answer

No problem but please, stay on topic.

[BowfinSS287]

is it possible that this was not left out of the game
but is a upgrade you get later, and it will make the
scope harder to spot....does anyone know for sure?

i really wouldn't want to mod something that is a game
feature.....but if it was left out.....thanks

[LukeFF]

is it possible that this was not left out of the game
but is a upgrade you get later, and it will make the
scope harder to spot....does anyone know for sure?

No, it's not.

[rascal101]

Err - well as I started the thread I thought I might have some leeway to stray from topic - and seeing as you've very cleverly discovered a way to solve the issue - I did the required edits last night and they work!

So the issue with the wires is kind of solved so I thought it would be good to move on to the next obious question ie the radio direction loop

Do you know if there would be a simple solution re the direction loop


R

No problem but please, stay on topic.

[Madox58]

What about it?
:hmmm:

[kylania]

What about it?
:hmmm:

I think the question is can you "deploy" or "raise" it, as in here:

http://www.uboat.net/photos/u67.jpg

Should it rotate too? This pic seems to indicate that:

http://www.richiekohler.com/u869/images/1944/U%20869%20Training%204.JPG

[Kptlt_Lynch]

Yes, it should rotate.

They managed it in SH3 to have it up and rotating... a super cool detail.
I'm sure it's possible in SH5, just no idea how.

[LukeFF]

Getting the DF loop to animate shouldn't be hard to do, in theory. If someone else doesn't take a stab at it I'll take a look (after the patch is released).

[oscar19681]

Yes, this is something I'm not sure about. I have seen one photo in which the caption claims the periscope pictured with the wires is the observation one, but the angle at which the shot was taken makes this conclusion a shaky one. I'm going to keep looking to see if I can find more conclusive evidence.

Its only the attack scope that had the twisted thingy. Just read u-boat war patrol. It features a page that cleary shows (and also writen) That only the attack scope featured this to reduce the periscope wake by sucking the wake into the water a bit . But since the observation scope was only used in bad weather or night-time and thus the wake would make no differance it would not need the thingy.

[Madox58]

You should be able to add the Watchman controller or maybe the
GenericAxisRotation Controller with Goblin.
You'll also need to add the obj_extensible controller.
Only the square Radars have this in the sim.

[Madox58]

Here's a picture that clearly shows the Twisty on both scopes.
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii221/lisset158/Save0003-26.jpg

This is from a type XXI

[kylania]

So the VII had it only on the attack, but later boats on both perhaps?

[Sailor Steve]

You gotta be kidding........

why the heck didn't they release it that way!!
I thought someone would actually have to make it for a mod. If it's already there but turned off I'm guessing that the first boats didn't have them, and it was a later addition.

If that's true then we need to find out exactly when they were installed, so we can put them in at the right time.

[scl]

Great fix for the "twisty-turny-thing". I'm about to edit and try it for myself.

BTW, according to one of my books (U-Boats Under the Swastika - Showell, p32) "The wires around the periscope were supposed to have added additional stability by spiralling the flow of water around it".

Thanks for the headsup!

[subaxe]

Installed on my attack scope.

Looks good

Thanks

:yeah:

[Hitman]

It seems that at least it wasn't in the observation scope of the Type VIIC, but as Privateer showed, it certainly was in the XXI. Probably it simply depended on the model of periscope installed, or was later added as general feature.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9527/notwistything.jpg

[Madox58]

I've also got a picture of an IXB showing the observation scope with this.
This is the U-106, Type IXB
Picture was taken sometime between September 1940-October 1941
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/U-106.jpg

U-875 and U-805 which were both Type IX D2 also show this on both scopes at wars end.

A picture of U-79, a Type VIIC, may have this on both scopes also.
But it's not a good enuff picture to say for sure as the top of the scope is cut off.
And the picture is taken from the front looking back at the Turm.
So even it's postion in the Turm is uncertain.

[TheDarkWraith]

Great fix for the "twisty-turny-thing". I'm about to edit and try it for myself. Thanks for the headsup!

already edited all my subs (even the AI ones) and both scopes on each sub. Excellent find :yeah:

[oscar19681]

I've also got a picture of an IXB showing the observation scope with this.
This is the U-106, Type IXB
Picture was taken sometime between September 1940-October 1941
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/U-106.jpg

U-875 and U-805 which were both Type IX D2 also show this on both scopes at wars end.

A picture of U-79, a Type VIIC, may have this on both scopes also.
But it's not a good enuff picture to say for sure as the top of the scope is cut off.
And the picture is taken from the front looking back at the Turm.
So even it's postion in the Turm is uncertain.

Negative. You are misinformed . What it shows (in the pictue) is the attack scope extened. The the obs scope is always to the front in u-boats. It seems to me that judging from the tower it actually is a type VIIC.

[Madox58]

You better check Blueprints for the type IX boats.
:03:
The Observation scope is NOT at the front of the Turm.
:DL

And if you check the Emblem?
That's a dead giveaway of which U-Boat it is.
http://uboat.net/special/emblems/u106.html

[LukeFF]

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/subgeek/witte.jpg

U-759, Type VIIC. Both scopes have the wires.

[Madox58]

Nice find!
:salute:

[rascal101]

What is this man doing in his underpants! - and a scarf!!!

One can only guess at the standard of behavious on this boat

I begin to suspect why Germany lost the war - this is an outrage!

R



It seems that at least it wasn't in the observation scope of the Type VIIC, but as Privateer showed, it certainly was in the XXI. Probably it simply depended on the model of periscope installed, or was later added as general feature.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9527/notwistything.jpg

[panosrxo]

The wired observation periscope is lower than the normal one. That results in seeing underwater at maximum height...Tried on my VIIA boat:D

[EgoApocalypse]

Got this badboy working, Looks great.:03:

I cant understand why they just didnt put this into the game, But then I'm only a simple soldier and cant fathom vastness of the marketing mind.

I also heard that UBI got slated for this carry on, Having all this stuff in game then realsing it as "Downloadable content"..............No proof, So I might be wrong.