[WIP] Wolves of the Kaiser:1914-1918 Mod

[iambecomelife]

Ah, but are those work uniforms or dress uniforms worn for having their portraits made?

Based on my photo collection they did wear a dark blue winter uniform that was nearly identical to the surface fleet uniform. I believe the only difference would have been the cap band & patches for individual units.

Again, this was not a good choice for a submarine interior, and most of the late war photos I've seen show a mix of leather coveralls & warm civilian clothes.

For variety's sake I will use the SH4 foul weather gear to represent coveralls, and I'll try to add in a sweater or two.

The collar, sadly, may not be doable - altering the obj files for the torso causes horrible-looking errors (crewmen = jagged blobs). :rotfl2:

Strangely, adding 3d objects to the head object does NOT cause crashes. In other words, accessories like pipes, cigarettes, & eye glasses are feasible. :ping:

[Sailor Steve]

Strangely, adding 3d objects to the head object does NOT cause crashes. In other words, accessories like pipes, cigarettes, & eye glasses are feasible. :ping:
:rock: Especially the pipes. Perfect touch for a WW1 u-boat. :D

[iambecomelife]

Wolves of the ocean? More like a chihuahua of the ocean. Still, this type sank quite a few ocean liners & battleships. Tiny but mighty. :D

I could have just ported in the "Shells of Fury" model, but I think it's more rewarding to make a sub from scratch. It was lots of fun to do, and there seem to be plenty of good plans for this boat out there - unlike many of the Mittel-U submarines.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/UB-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/UB-2.jpg

[iambecomelife]

More heavy units for the Royal Navy. All parts built from scratch.
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[Sailor Steve]

Ah, Bellerophon class (or St. Vincent - they're very similar).

[iambecomelife]

Ah, Bellerophon class (or St. Vincent - they're very similar).

You sure know your ships!

I like this class, even though their turret arrangement wasn't the best. Unfortunately I have not been able to find a good profile drawing of their original configuration. The profile pic from "Conway's" shows the layout of "Superb" from 1918, so it's been a matter of extrapolating with photos taken from 1909-1916.

I also need good pictures of the class's amidships area, around where the boats were kept. Unfortunately, photographers of WWI battleships preferred dramatic, bows-on views. :damn: If anyone can help out, it would be welcome.

[Sailor Steve]

I have Roberts' Dreadnought book, so I have good info on the daddy of the class. Unfortunately I only have Conways myself for Bellerophon and later. I do have some line drawings, but they don't have anywhere near the detail you need.

I also have the drawings I did for my WW1 miniatures game, which I never completed, but they aren't any more detailed than the standard book overview drawings, so again not much use.

I do, however, have extreme detail on the armor layouts, if that helps at all.

[iambecomelife]

I have Roberts' Dreadnought book, so I have good info on the daddy of the class. Unfortunately I only have Conways myself for Bellerophon and later. I do have some line drawings, but they don't have anywhere near the detail you need.

I also have the drawings I did for my WW1 miniatures game, which I never completed, but they aren't any more detailed than the standard book overview drawings, so again not much use.

I do, however, have extreme detail on the armor layouts, if that helps at all.

Thanks. I don't think the information on armor layout will be necessary. By necessity, armor modeling will be basic, with no real breakthroughs. British battlecruisers will have lower armor values than, say, German dreadnoughts, & so forth. Maybe someday there will be a sim that models things like Krupp armor vs. nickel armor - that would be quite interesting.

[iambecomelife]

Shameless post of more shiny stuff. The Spartan, modern looking Silent Hunter 4 interfaces really get to me, so I decided on a style that emphasizes a classical/nautical theme. In other words, Poseidon & his hot water nymph babes representing the ocean. The whole thing's sort of inspired by "Shells of Fury", which actually has a nice ambience.

Loading screens will have synopses of historical events, plus quotes whenever possible:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Loading-Historical-Lores.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Double-Menu2.jpg

[Sepp von Ch.]

Crews uniforms, loading screens... Absolutely 1+ Really great work!:up:

[iambecomelife]

Another modeling update:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-35-v2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-37-v2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-36-2.jpg

[Sledgehammer427]

You had me at Dreadnought. :D

[Hitman]

Nice:up:

But for tripod mast should be behind funnel. I guess both masts are not yet moved to position? Both seem too forward placed :88)

[iambecomelife]

Nice:up:

But for tripod mast should be behind funnel. I guess both masts are not yet moved to position? Both seem too forward placed :88)

No; this is "Bellerophon" and her sister ships - not the "Dreadnought".

http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/great_britain/battleships/temeraire/01_hms_temeraire.jpg

[Chrisi078]

Super mod cool weiter so gg aus Germany

[Hitman]

Oh cool so I have been having a picture of Bellerophon hanging in the wall all these years and always thought it was Dreadnought :har:

Jeeez live and learn :88)

[iambecomelife]

Oh cool so I have been having a picture of Bellerophon hanging in the wall all these years and always thought it was Dreadnought :har:

Jeeez live and learn :88)

It's very funny how irresponsible the Royal Navy was with tripod mast placement. Even after they discovered the problem with smoke interference, dreadnoughts like "Orion" and "Colossus" still had their tripod masts placed behind the funnel. Long range gunnery is hard enough without hot smoke suffocating you & blocking your view. German dreadnoughts, OTOH, never had this ridiculous feature.

[keltos01]

nice to see this mod is steadily going forward !:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

It's very funny how irresponsible the Royal Navy was with tripod mast placement. Even after they discovered the problem with smoke interference, dreadnoughts like "Orion" and "Colossus" still had their tripod masts placed behind the funnel. Long range gunnery is hard enough without hot smoke suffocating you & blocking your view. German dreadnoughts, OTOH, never had this ridiculous feature.
What's really weird is the reason behind it - boat cranes. They didn't want to add separate cranes to hoist the boats out, so they put the tripod mast closer to the boats, and behind the forward funnel.

This, coupled with the bad positioning of the aft rangefinder, meant that Dreadnought was effectively blind at any speed above about 10 knots until extra rangefinders were mounted on the compass platform and 'A' turret in 1912.

@ Hitman and Sledgehammer: I pointed out that it was Bellerophon in post #505. :D

[iambecomelife]

What's really weird is the reason behind it - boat cranes. They didn't want to add separate cranes to hoist the boats out, so they put the tripod mast closer to the boats, and behind the forward funnel.

This, coupled with the bad positioning of the aft rangefinder, meant that Dreadnought was effectively blind at any speed above about 10 knots until extra rangefinders were mounted on the compass platform and 'A' turret in 1912.

@ Hitman and Sledgehammer: I pointed out that it was Bellerophon in post #505. :D

Interesting. How could they possibly think that boat cranes were more important than spotting? I realize one could argue they're important for abandoning ship but in practice WWI ships' large lifeboats were useless. During the sinkings of the "Cressy" cruisers, "Hawke", etc most boats were unusable due to lack of winch power after the engine rooms went dead. The German approach - give everyone life jackets & hope for the best - was more logical.

Anyway, I made minor improvements to the model & hope to start more dreadnoughts soon. Watch out for another update this weekend.

[Sledgehammer427]

@ Hitman and Sledgehammer: I pointed out that it was Bellerophon in post #505. :D

-cough-
My knowledge of WWI era equipment isn't nearly as good as the rest of the wars, that happened afterward.:88)
And for the record I haven't been following this thread very closely

[iambecomelife]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-40-1.jpg

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Getting good sources for this class was a Herculean task. A Colossal one, too.

The secondary armament will be modeled later. Research on the superstructure continues - this class changed pretty dramatically in appearance. The ship's boats are placeholders until more detailed ones are made.

[FurphyForum]

One of the many good things about this (Dreadnought to the Bellerophon class) is it will provide you with the platform (Bellerophon) to launch onto further classes (St Vincent, Collingwood and Vanguard) with minor modifications as you build your library of mods :woot:if thats your intent :06:
Truely well done iambecomelife:salute:

[Sailor Steve]

Getting good sources for this class was a Herculean task. A Colossal one, too.
King Neptune thanks you.

PS for what it's worth, I can supply intimate armor details.

[iambecomelife]

Another high profile target...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Whocares.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Inthecar1.jpg

[iambecomelife]

More details added...
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/wireframe-lion1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/wireframe-lion2.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Additional details, plus a skin. Propellers, shafts, the secondary armament, and anti-torpedo cranes have not been added.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Overall-2.jpg

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[Sailor Steve]

I'd be lion if I said that wasn't pretty.

[iambecomelife]

I'd be lion if I said that wasn't pretty.

Thanks! The convenient thing is, if you just add a sternwalk & a round forward funnel this model can serve as "HMS Queen Mary" - "Lion" & "Princess Royal's" unfortunate half sister.

It's a little ironic that "Queen Mary" had the best armor of the three, but she was the only one to suffer a magazine explosion. Poor Mary! :cry:

[CCIP]

Fantastic BCs!

I can't help but imagine that chill up my spine that I'll get when out on patrol in the North Sea, looking out my periscope, and seeing Beatty's beasts charging out of the mist. Brr! :up:

It's great to see the level of detail of course. Seems like you got most of the BCs covered by now except the Tiger?

[iambecomelife]

Fantastic BCs!

I can't help but imagine that chill up my spine that I'll get when out on patrol in the North Sea, looking out my periscope, and seeing Beatty's beasts charging out of the mist. Brr! :up:

It's great to see the level of detail of course. Seems like you got most of the BCs covered by now except the Tiger?

I still need to do "Indefatigable" and her sisters.

Hope to knock out a few more of the modern capital ships - then some of the older pre-dreadnoughts like "Triumph" and "Majestic".

[Hitman]

You could also ask the guys who did the models showcased at Tony Lovell's web for permission to use them: http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/

Seeadler and Manel Ortega from these forums did some of them :up:

[iambecomelife]

You could also ask the guys who did the models showcased at Tony Lovell's web for permission to use them: http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/

Seeadler and Manel Ortega from these forums did some of them :up:

Thanks for the link, although I will probably just keep using them as references. Their model of the "Dreadnought" is the best I've ever seen.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Continued nice work here :yep::up:

[Sailor Steve]

It's a little ironic that "Queen Mary" had the best armor of the three, but she was the only one to suffer a magazine explosion. Poor Mary! :cry:
I forgot about it when I first read this, but better late than never. When compiling my WW1 tabletop game one of my prime sources was John Campbell's Jutland: An Analysis Of The Fighting. He ignores the usual Beatty-Jellicoe debates and pretty much all of the command decisions on both sides, sticking strictly to the battle itself. He gives a detailed account of the fleet movements in small sections, then describes who fired at whom, and ends with a description of where each shell hit each ship and what damage was done.

He starts with a pretty good account of Dogger Bank, and the fact that the British officers noticed that the Germans were firing faster than they were. They attributed this to the anti-flash doors covering the magazine hoists. The solution was to manually lock the doors open. All three battlecruisers which exploded at Jutland were observed to take turret hits moments before the blasts that destroyed them.

[keltos01]

He starts with a pretty good account of Dogger Bank, and the fact that the British officers noticed that the Germans were firing faster than they were.

They attributed this to the anti-flash doors covering the magazine hoists. The solution was to manually lock the doors open. All three battlecruisers which exploded at Jutland were observed to take turret hits moments before the blasts that destroyed them.
:o:o:o

how utterly stupid !

keltos

[Sailor Steve]

:o:o:o

how utterly stupid !
In hindsight, yes. I'm sure at the time they were more concerned with getting the maximum rate of fire. After Jutland they reversed the practice, and every capital ship was fitted with extra armor on the turret tops and over the magazines. The former may have helped, but the latter did nothing to fix the problem, assuming that fires in the turrets did indeed find the path down the internal tunnel to the magazines.

On the other hand the Germans didn't have flash doors at all until Dogger Bank. SMS Seydlitz was hit by fire from HMS Lion which knocked out both rear turrets. An immediate explosion was prevented by the fact that, unlike the British who kept their cordite powder in bags, the Germans used metal casings even for their largest shells. A fire might still have spread to the magazines if not for the quick action of Obermaschinist Wilhelm Heidkamp, who opened the valves to flood the magazines, suffering severe injuries from the red-hot valves. The Kriegsmarine destroyer Z21 was named for him. By the time of Jutland all German heavy ships had anti-flash doors on the magazine hoists.

Information from German Destroyers of World War Two, by A.J. Whitley.

[iambecomelife]

:o:o:o

how utterly stupid !

keltos

Yes; that never made much sense to me. The British should have been aware of the problem b/c the Armored Cruiser "HMS Kent" very nearly exploded at the Falklands Battle in 1914 due to a flash-fire in the magazines. Unfortunately, in all the excitement over sinking "Scharnhorst" & "Gneisenau", little attention was paid. This had disastrous consequences at Jutland 1.5 years later.

Also interesting is that British explosives were dangerously unstable compared to other countries and were not stored in metal cylinders, as was the practice in France & Germany. The Brits used silk bags as containers - these tended to rip and leak powder all throughout the turrets & magazines.

At Gallipoli one of the French battleships was hit in the magazines but only suffered a fire-not a huge blast, as a British ship probably would have. The propellant defect remained unfixed during WWII, and probably sank the "HMS Hood" in 1941.

[Chrisi078]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWuMYrlnyU0&feature=related

[iambecomelife]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWuMYrlnyU0&feature=related


Thank you very much! I'd never seen that clip; that is some priceless footage. I'd never seen any movies with WWI-era battlecruisers before. It will make a good menu movie for the game.

[keltos01]

nice movie indeed !

a few pictures :

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2294/subsmoke.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/subsmoke.jpg/)

white smoke

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/3222/perii.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/perii.jpg/)

periscope view (looks a lot like the british periscope I made for the T-Class !)


Teil 2/4

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4069/subn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/subn.jpg/)


1:05


http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9651/sub2d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/sub2d.jpg/)

5:35


Teil 3

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8712/sailb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/sailb.jpg/)

near the end, a sailing ship sinks

[Hitman]

periscope view (looks a lot like the british periscope I made for the T-Class !)

No wonder, as the pic was apparently taken from a british sub during maneuvers :DL

[iambecomelife]

There will be a slowdown in the pace of updates between now and mid-November. Expect more news about the mod towards the end of the year.

[Chrisi078]

There is a nice christmas-game video
or a small beta?

[Cappin']

First Post... YAY :O:

Will there be a lot of single merchant ships cruising on their own, not escorted. Because many did during ww1, as the allied superiors in all their wisdom. Didn't consider U-boats much of a risk, until later on. Only then did they begin to perfect their convoy system.

Cheers.
,Brett

[iambecomelife]

There is a nice christmas-game video
or a small beta?

Unfortunately, no. I am doing this project by myself, in between studies & work. A ton of changes still need to be made to stock SH4 before it's in a beta state. Or fit for an interesting video.


@ Cappin - yes, there will be a lot of solitary merchant traffic up until 1918. At that point, according to U-Boat skippers, the "seas became empty" as convoying suddenly made lone targets rare.

Still, 1914-1917 will be no picnic with all those Q-Ships sneaking around. Not to mention mines, drifters, trawler-submarine combos, patrol craft, airships, seaplanes, and all the other things WWI submariners had to deal with.

[Cappin']

@ Cappin - yes, there will be a lot of solitary merchant traffic up until 1918. At that point, according to U-Boat skippers, the "seas became empty" as convoying suddenly made lone targets rare.

Still, 1914-1917 will be no picnic with all those Q-Ships sneaking around. Not to mention mines, drifters, trawler-submarine combos, patrol craft, airships, seaplanes, and all the other things WWI submariners had to deal with.

Thanks for the info. Looks forward to this mod. Keep up the good work! :salute:

[WWII44]

This mod is for SH4 right? or are you also going to port it to SH3 aswell?

[iambecomelife]

This mod is for SH4 right? or are you also going to port it to SH3 aswell?

It is intended for Silent Hunter 4. I was considering SH3 mainly because I didn't know how to make certain changes to SH4 - particularly to the crew uniform 3d models. Recent advances in this area have made it unnecessary to use SH3 as a platform.

[WWII44]

It is intended for Silent Hunter 4. I was considering SH3 mainly because I didn't know how to make certain changes to SH4 - particularly to the crew uniform 3d models. Recent advances in this area have made it unnecessary to use SH3 as a platform.
will the campain be like SH3?(i could never seem to understand the setup of SH4s campain particualy returning to base). Also Will I need the U-boat expansion for this mod?

[iambecomelife]

will the campain be like SH3?(i could never seem to understand the setup of SH4s campain particualy returning to base). Also Will I need the U-boat expansion for this mod?

I don't quite understand what you mean - As far as I SH4 has the same sort of campaign model as SH3, with randomized traffic and the option to return to base whenever you want.

I haven't decided if you will need the U-boat expansion - there is a good chance it won't be needed. All shots of uniforms & subs have been modified US Navy items.

[WWII44]

I don't quite understand what you mean - As far as I SH4 has the same sort of campaign model as SH3, with randomized traffic and the option to return to base whenever you want.

I haven't decided if you will need the U-boat expansion - there is a good chance it won't be needed. All shots of uniforms & subs have been modified US Navy items.
indeed, as for the campain I when ever I hit escape in sh4 during a campain it dosn't give you the option of "return to base" like sh3 it just has "exit to main menu" or "exit to desktop".

[iambecomelife]

Just wanted to thank Jan Kyster and Sailor Steve for providing additional print sources. They and my other contributors have been a big help. :up:

[iambecomelife]

The entire staff of "Wolves of the Kaiser" (iambecomelife) is seriously ill & bedridden.

On the plus side, everyone on the staff passed the bar exam. Woohoo! (I was warning of fewer updates b/c I'd have to start studying for my state's February bar if I'd failed). Expect more updates - involving predreadnoughts and the submarines themselves - this November once I am well.

[USS Drum]

Do you have any ideas when this mod will be finished and by the way will Lusitania be in it? Because I'd like to sink Lusitania and have a party.:woot:

[Hitman]

The entire staff of "Wolves of the Kaiser" (iambecomelife) is seriously ill & bedridden.

On the plus side, everyone on the staff passed the bar exam. Woohoo! (I was warning of fewer updates b/c I'd have to start studying for my state's February bar if I'd failed). Expect more updates - involving predreadnoughts and the submarines themselves - this November once I am well.

Congrats for your exams and get well soon :salute: Is there any relation between your illness and the after-exams party? :haha:

[peabody]

Congrats for your exams and get well soon :salute: Is there any relation between your illness and the after-exams party? :haha:

He did say it was a bar exam. :03:

[iambecomelife]

Haha... Thanks - I am well now. Two new developments:

-I am negotiating with some modelers for another game - an exchange of 3d models may be in the works. I will probably give "Lion", "Bellerophon", etc & I may get some pre-dreadnoughts out of it. Their work is quite impressive.

-I have begun looking for maps of the English Channel coastline at the turn of the 20th Century. They are needed so that I can place ports accurately. Towns will have several destructible buildings to be used in bombardment missions. Even small towns were large by game standards so don't expect 100% fidelity. Instead, I intend to have standardized, modular harbor pieces with several buildings to shoot at.

[iambecomelife]

Work on destructible shore targets. Mostly civilian dwellings & a radio mast. Pretty low poly stuff...

You can spend your time terrorizing villagers with the deck gun, but don't expect to earn many points for it. Other targets, like supply dumps & barracks, will have a greater point value. Then again, they'll also be defended with shore batteries - unlike most civilian ports.

Certain shore structures like field hospitals, etc. will be assigned a negative point value to discourage attack.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/ShoreTargets.jpg

[Lindley]

Many years ago I spoke to an elderly fisherman in West Cork. He told me that during WW1 his father also a fisherman had watched as a U-boat surfaced near them. Some of the crew spoke English and asked them if they had caught any fish and also would they come and fight for the Kaiser. He told me it was a true story and it is possible that it happened.
Roger Casement did try to recruit an "Irish Brigade" consisting of Irish prisoners of war in the prison camp of Limburg an der Lahn
to fight for the Germans.
This mod looks great a welcome upgrade after the enjoyable Shells of Fury.

[USS Drum]

Your going to have to create a new unit to defend Scapa Slow in WW1 the British would give sailors mallets and a row boat and when they saw a periscope they would row over to it and bang the periscope with the mallet.:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2: Yes this is true the British disapproved of subs in WW1.

[Karle94]

Your going to have to create a new unit to defend Scapa Slow in WW1 the British would give sailors mallets and a row boat and when they saw a periscope they would row over to it and bang the periscope with the mallet.:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2: Yes this is true the British disapproved of subs in WW1.

They also filled dummy subs full of fish so the seagulls would swarm all over periscopes and parts of the conning towers sticking up from the water. Of course, neither of these two ways worked for obvious reasons.

[Sailor Steve]

Can you cite a source for that? I've done years of research on WW1 naval history, and I don't recall reading of any u-boats inside of any British naval base during that war.

[iambecomelife]

Can you cite a source for that? I've done years of research on WW1 naval history, and I don't recall reading of any u-boats inside of any British naval base during that war.

UB-116 penetrated Scapa Flow in October 1918. It was a desperate, last ditch attack designed to sink the Grand Fleet dreadnoughts at anchor. She got within about 10 miles of the fleet, only to be destroyed by remote-control mines. Sadly, none of the crew survived.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

According to family stories passed down there were at least five German submarines that penetrated British ports, several of them more than once, the Limeys were according to family tales, fairly contemptuous of the submarines in principle until the sinking of the three aging cruisers off the coast..and even after that they did not think much of them.

Great to see the mod continuing ...i saw your models over on Total War for the great War mod but i hear sadly they cant be used because the engine wont allow substitutions yet. Maybe someday. I am so glad your exams went well and you are doing ok. This remains among the most waited for mods for SH IV for me. Great to see work continuing.

Charts i can help you with:

here are zoomable ones :

http://www.harbourguides.com/charts.php/English-Channel

more here:

NGA/DLIS Catalog of Maps
http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/SD/Pub191/Pub191bk.pdf

Imray C10 Western English Channel Passage Chart
http://www.force4.co.uk/2259/Imray-C10-Western-English-Channel-Passage-Chart.html

Ships Chart Map Channel
http://danieljlewis.org/files/2009/12/WorldShipsMaps.png

http://www.syadele.com/nor_den_eng_slices/nor_sw_eng_chart_lg.gif

http://www.syadele.com/nor_den_eng_slices/eng_chart_lg.gif

Encyclopedia Britannica
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/media/95736/The-North-Sea-the-Baltic-Sea-and-the-English-Channel

[USS Drum]

Here is where I found out about the mallets, in a documentary.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

1-4 See Krieg.1914-1918.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvomQg7WMiQ&feature=related

excellent footage of High Seas Fleet Submarine boats

3-4 See Krieg.1914-1918.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXvhnvZozLI&feature=related

4-4 See Krieg.1914-1918.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2I0CiiJ9kQ&feature=related

DAS GRAUEN IN FARBE - World War One

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wdUEAwRn5M&feature=related

footage of Observation balloons towed by Dreadnoughts

U - 35 in action WWI 1917

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrP5WSGcxZ8&feature=related

Dettailed footage of siezure of allied ships by German U boat

a dvd of the U-35's log (KTB). Contact me at judgeyacht@yahoo.com. Regards, Al Hunt, near USNA, Annapolis, Maryland, USA

U 35 1916

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V41gaKzIxkY&feature=related

excellent footage of submarines, including inside control room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P7vQ18rc44&feature=related

[Sailor Steve]

UB-116 penetrated Scapa Flow in October 1918. It was a desperate, last ditch attack designed to sink the Grand Fleet dreadnoughts at anchor. She got within about 10 miles of the fleet, only to be destroyed by remote-control mines. Sadly, none of the crew survived.
Thank you. Learning new stuff is always fun. I have a reputedly good book on the subject that I've never had a chance to read. It's currently buried somewhere in one of sixty boxes in a storage unit. :cry:

[iambecomelife]

Thank you very much, Admiral! Especially for the U-35 movie, which I'd given up hope of finding. Another website had a dead link to it, which was a huge disappointment. It looks like I'll have a busy next few days.

[USS Drum]

Any chance of the U.S 6th battle squadron, which was a U.S battle squadron sent to Britain, it had the USS Texas, New York, Delaware, Florida, Wyoming and Arkansas.

[USS Drum]

Have you had any ideas about making a Deutschland submarine? Wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschland_(submarine)

[USS Drum]

While lurking the forums I came across these possibly you could ask him for the models?

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9223/schutzepromo2.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8162/jocwittelsbach03.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9068/jocpromoorion01.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3552/jocvolverinepromo4.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3079/cvarguspromo03.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3172/udeutschland01.jpg

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8033/sh3shippromo3.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/612/jocsh3prom2.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/736/jocsh3pup.jpg

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/8836/airshipfix2.jpg

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/6597/jocdehavilland01.jpg

Original thread:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=178716

[iambecomelife]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/predread03.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/predread02-1.jpg

Some fun with pre-dreads, as promised...

[iambecomelife]

Any chance of the U.S 6th battle squadron, which was a U.S battle squadron sent to Britain, it had the USS Texas, New York, Delaware, Florida, Wyoming and Arkansas.

American battleships are not a very high priority because they appeared late in the game & none of them were sunk or damaged by the Germans. You will see American destroyers, cargo ships, and submarines for sure. Battleships only if there's time.

I already have permission to use some of the models you showed in those screenshots. The Bristol fighter's nice - I hadn't seen it before.

The Deutschland submarine may be included in its post-1917 military configuration. Probably not as a cargo submarine, because there is no way to create interesting cargo-carrying missions with the SH4 engine.

[Sailor Steve]

Some fun with pre-dreads, as promised...
Duncan!

[Karle94]

American battleships are not a very high priority because they appeared late in the game & none of them were sunk or damaged by the Germans. You will see American destroyers, cargo ships, and submarines for sure. Battleships only if there's time.

I already have permission to use some of the models you showed in those screenshots. The Bristol fighter's nice - I hadn't seen it before.

The Deutschland submarine may be included in its post-1917 military configuration. Probably not as a cargo submarine, because there is no way to create interesting cargo-carrying missions with the SH4 engine.

One American sub was "rammed" or if you want, collided with a German sub and had a huge dent and a lost shaft. Needless to say, the sub sank with all hands. The American 6th squad did play a big role in keeping the German fleet in port and escort missions. Even the Brits admitted that the 6th was important. I have the New York from SHV and I made the Wyoming/Arkansas. If you want them, they`re yours.

[USS Drum]

If you want I can help make the ships in the campaign with mission editor.

[iambecomelife]

One American sub was "rammed" or if you want, collided with a German sub and had a huge dent and a lost shaft. Needless to say, the sub sank with all hands. The American 6th squad did play a big role in keeping the German fleet in port and escort missions. Even the Brits admitted that the 6th was important. I have the New York from SHV and I made the Wyoming/Arkansas. If you want them, they`re yours.

Thanks for the offer. Are they configured to look like WWI versions? The USS New York, for example, would have had cage masts instead of tripods prior to being modernized after World War I.

I know that a lot of old US battleships are already in Silent Hunter 4 but I really want to make sure they look historically accurate for the time period.

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot/ships/battleships-us/uss-bb-34-new-york-1915-battleship.gif

By the way, page one of this thread has been revised with various WIP screenshots.

[jhapprich]

I guess i forgot to answer your request, so yes, you are welcome to use my dreadnoughts! this is what i am currently working on: SMS Emden, model still needs some texturing of minor details and i am working on the 105mm cannon( 90% done).do you have any plans or pictures on the 5,2 cm torpedoboat gun? besides, Helgoland is done and i`ll continue to work on the Derfflinger soon. best regards!

[USS Drum]

I have some pics of the ships in WW1 configuration:

New York/Texas:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/USS_Texas_%28BB-35%29.jpg/170px-USS_Texas_%28BB-35%29.jpg
Florida:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/USS_Florida_BB-30.jpg/300px-USS_Florida_BB-30.jpg
Wyoming/Arkansas
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/USS_Wyoming_BB-32_circa_1912-13.jpg/300px-USS_Wyoming_BB-32_circa_1912-13.jpg
Delaware:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Delaware_%28BB28%29._Starboard_bow%2C_Guantanamo_B ay%2C_01-01-1920_-_NARA_-_512950.jpg/300px-Delaware_%28BB28%29._Starboard_bow%2C_Guantanamo_B ay%2C_01-01-1920_-_NARA_-_512950.jpg

[Karle94]

Don`t worry iambecomelife. I`ll help make, if not make the American battleships my self. I have some older ones that are easily demodernised. One class is an evolution of an older one. That`s why they will be relatively easy to make.

[Chrisi078]

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Wilhelm_der_Gro%C3%9Fe_%28Schiff%29
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse_01.jpg/250px-Kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse_01.jpg (http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Kaiser_wilhelm_der_grosse_01 .jpg&filetimestamp=20090126153344)

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/default_kaiserliche_marine.htm?name=http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/sms_kaiser_wilhelm_2.htm
http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/S.M.S.%20Kaiser%20Wilhelm2%20color+.jpg

[Karle94]

I have the Nevada class done for you, if you want it. http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-0600-53-51-56.jpg

[USS Drum]

Why don't you post all of your WW1 ships.

[USS Drum]

American battleships are not a very high priority because they appeared late in the game & none of them were sunk or damaged by the Germans. You will see American destroyers, cargo ships, and submarines for sure. Battleships only if there's time.

I already have permission to use some of the models you showed in those screenshots. The Bristol fighter's nice - I hadn't seen it before.

The Deutschland submarine may be included in its post-1917 military configuration. Probably not as a cargo submarine, because there is no way to create interesting cargo-carrying missions with the SH4 engine.

Actually the game engine has supply drop missions such as before the U.S entered the war there can be "You will insert supplies via life raft to New York harbor.

[Karle94]

Why don't you post all of your WW1 ships.

I don`t have many of em` done yet.

[USS Drum]

I don`t have many of em` done yet.

Just one question what problems are you having on the lady lex?

[Karle94]

Just one question what problems are you having on the lady lex?

Texture problem. Some parts show up wrong in S3D. But shows up the way it should look like in MM3D.

[USS Drum]

Texture problem. Some parts show up wrong in S3D. But shows up the way it should look like in MM3D.

Is the ship black in game?

But well here's the three ships I've wanted playable in game:

1.USS Pennsylvania

2.USS Washington(yes I know It's already playable but I want a new version not the stock games's one. It also has the name of my home state I'm a yank.)

3.Super Yamato class(It can probably invade Pearl on it's own.:rotfl2:)

[iambecomelife]

I have the Nevada class done for you, if you want it. http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-0600-53-51-56.jpg

Thanks a lot; I like how you made the superstructure much more sparse. is there a link to a dl?

[iambecomelife]

The reason why pre-dreadnoughts are needed for the campaign (can you read the text? for some reason this screenshot keeps getting resized)...:damn::damn::damn:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Loading-Historical-Predre2copy.jpg

More progress shots. The chain links are larger than they were historically to reduce the # of polygons. The 6" guns are low poly placeholders that will be replaced with a more detailed model. I obtained some nice plans for the Royal Navy's land-transportable 6". Designing a version without the 6"carriage for horse-drawn transit should be pretty simple.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-5-24.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-6-24.jpg

Small craft:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-7-21.jpg

Might try the HMS "Triumph" next, since she was one of the pre-dreads actually sunk by submarine. Along with her sister "Swiftsure", she was one of just two Royal Navy battleships in WWI armed with 10" guns, as opposed to the usual 12" on predreadnoughts.

There's a beautiful model build at the link below, showing "Triumph" as she would have looked at Gallipoli:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/hms/triumph-700-cb/triumph-02.jpg

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/bb/hms/triumph-700-cb/cb-index.html

HMS "Triumph" today. Once again, some excellent pictures:



http://www.turkiye-wrecks.com/triumpheng.html

[CCIP]

The pre-dreads certainly appear not only in the Dardanneles (plenty of historical probability that they could've been torpedoed in the North Sea as well), but I am excited to hear that you're modeling that campaign as well. I'm guessing as with MFM, you're aiming to release the whole thing rather than going modular (i.e. North Sea first, then other flottillas/operations)?

Either way, excellent work. I'm especially intrigued by the addition of land bombardment.

[Karle94]

Thanks a lot; I like how you made the superstructure much more sparse. is there a link to a dl?

I`ll send you a pack containing all the American Dreadnoughts from South Carolina to New Mexico. That happens when I´m done with the models.

[iambecomelife]

Triangulating and texturing destructible land objects. Once again, it's fairly crude & low-poly stuff. Partly due to my lack of experience, and partly to keep your processors from struggling. At this point I've only skinned four basic types of buildings but adding different skins gives the illusion of diversity.

There are several old Navy radio masts near where I live; for some reason they never tore them down. They look a little bit like the one in the screenshots. Might add a radio shack, some troops, & misc. other items to make it a more interesting target..

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Mast-town01.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/mast-town02.jpg

[Karle94]

Have your battleships done. Since the South Carolina class would operate with the pre-dreads, they would`t operate with the rest of the battleships. I therefore decided not to make that class. Anyhow, here they are:

Delaware class:
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-1102-22-17-81.jpg

Florida:
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-1102-22-35-81.jpg

Wyoming
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-1102-22-49-06.jpg

New York
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-1102-23-10-45.jpg

Nevada
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-1102-23-25-50.jpg

Pennsylvania
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-1102-23-38-81.jpg

New Mexico
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-1102-23-50-00.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Thanks for your help! They are very non-WWII looking, which is excellent. And the lack of modern bridge structure is 100% accurate.

I have a request for any European fans out there; if you know anything about the following, please post a reply:

-Which smaller coastal towns in your nation should be modeled

-Important industries in these towns that existed before/during WWI

-Any coastal military bases & airfields in your country that date from WWI

In between modeling I've had to do a fair bit of research on North Sea towns. It's been hard to tell what facilities were around back then and what construction dates from the later 20th Century.

[Karle94]

Thanks for your help! They are very non-WWII looking, which is excellent. And the lack of modern bridge structure is 100% accurate.

I have a request for any European fans out there; if you know anything about the following, please post a reply:

-Which smaller coastal towns in your nation should be modeled

-Important industries in these towns that existed before/during WWI

-Any coastal military bases & airfields in your country that date from WWI

In between modeling I've had to do a fair bit of research on North Sea towns. It's been hard to tell what facilities were around back then and what construction dates from the later 20th Century.

Here`s a link for the ships. I noticed that the bridges on the Nevada, Pennsylvania and New Mexico was too modern, so I raplaced them with a slightly modyfied New York bridge. All the weapons and textures you need for the ships are included. http://www.gamefront.com/files/21080664/American_Battleships.rar

[USS Drum]

Here`s a link for the ships. I noticed that the bridges on the Nevada, Pennsylvania and New Mexico was too modern, so I raplaced them with a slightly modyfied New York bridge. All the weapons and textures you need for the ships are included. http://www.gamefront.com/files/21080664/American_Battleships.rar

Will they work in the stock game?

[Madox58]

The download is only the 3D models and textures.

[iambecomelife]

Here`s a link for the ships. I noticed that the bridges on the Nevada, Pennsylvania and New Mexico was too modern, so I raplaced them with a slightly modyfied New York bridge. All the weapons and textures you need for the ships are included. http://www.gamefront.com/files/21080664/American_Battleships.rar

Thank you; it has been downloaded.

[iambecomelife]

Sailor Steve, please check your PM. Also, anyone who's emailed me information on WWI U-Boats within the past year, please PM me ASAP if you're watching this thread. It's extremely important.

Thanks.

[Sailor Steve]

Done and done. :sunny:

[iambecomelife]

Thanks. Please check your PM again; sorry for the inconvenience.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I hope all is well, I keep a weather eye on this fine effort with great hopes for the future release.

[iambecomelife]

Pre-dreadnought with texturing about 90% complete.

Torpedo net booms, the Admiral's Walk, and miscellaneous other details are not yet in place.

I had designed the hull to be easy to texture (in theory). In practice it ended up a disaster & I had to redo the whole thing from scratch. :damn:

The texture size is only 1024 x 1024, compared to the 2048 square texture for "HMS Lion".


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/alb-03.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Alb-01.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/alb-02.jpg

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mitchelmore/Tucker/images/goliath.jpg

[Reichsjager]

Looks beautiful, I very much look forward to further updates, and then, a release :)

but take your time, the better you do it the first time, the less you have to do in updates! :D

[Chrisi078]

mhhhhhh ship ww1 Napolione Total war mod?

[iambecomelife]

mhhhhhh ship ww1 Napolione Total war mod?

Er - if you mean my work for the Total War series, it is currently suspended. Unfortunately, nobody has figured out how to alter the Total War naval models. If/when an ETW or NTW ship editor is created, I will resume my work.

[Karle94]

I have made something from SHV ships:

A ship that truly earned the name queen.
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-3100-14-02-57.jpg

A ship that never truly earned the name revenge.
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/mm3d2011-12-3100-13-03-90.jpg

[USS Drum]

Now I'm really desperate for the Lexington.

[Sailor Steve]

A second time, would you please not quote pictures unless absolutely necessary, especially to make one comment, and when yours is the very next post?

[USS Drum]

I will edit it out.

[Sailor Steve]

Thank you. :sunny:

[Chrisi078]

is a release of the 2012 mod possible?

[iambecomelife]

Thank you very much Karle! This sort of thing makes my work a lot easier.

BTW, I tested some of your US battleships in Wings3d and everything looks fine, except for one thing - the texture for the USS Florida was corrupt and did not extract. Otherwise, excellent job.

As for the release date, I will try to aim for late 2012 - early 2013, but this will depend on numerous things, such as work commitments, additional studies, & so forth.

I am working on a new model of Unterseeboot U-9, which sank the three British cruisers, and more pre-dreadnoughts. Screenshots in 1-2 weeks hopefully.

[Karle94]

Thank you very much Karle! This sort of thing makes my work a lot easier.

BTW, I tested some of your US battleships in Wings3d and everything looks fine, except for one thing - the texture for the USS Florida was corrupt and did not extract. Otherwise, excellent job.

As for the release date, I will try to aim for late 2012 - early 2013, but this will depend on numerous things, such as work commitments, additional studies, & so forth.

I am working on a new model of Unterseeboot U-9, which sank the three British cruisers, and more pre-dreadnoughts. Screenshots in 1-2 weeks hopefully.

For the Florida, use the textures from the Delaware class. Both look pretty much the same. I will see if I can come up with more British ships. I am think that the Renown class is up next.

[ratrace24]

cool

[iambecomelife]

For the Florida, use the textures from the Delaware class. Both look pretty much the same. I will see if I can come up with more British ships. I am think that the Renown class is up next.

Someone has already created the Renown/Repulse for SH3 & SH4. Of course it's your decision if you want to model them, but I was planning on using this preexisting model for "Wolves of the Kaiser". Thanks again for your help.

[iambecomelife]

Work on the U-9 class submarines - small coastal boats which burned paraffin instead of diesel fuel. Consequently, they suffered from poor range compared to more modern U-Boats. Their fuel source also generated huge clouds of white smoke, making them easily visible. There were four boats in the class (U-9, U-10, U-11, and U-12). U-9, which sank "Aboukir", "Cressy", and "Hogue", was the only boat in the class to survive the war.

http://uboat.net/wwi/types/?type=U+9

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Unterseeboot-9-01.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Unterseeboot-9-02.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Unterseeboot-9-03.jpg

[Sepp von Ch.]

:up:
Looking forward to this great mod iambecomelife!

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm looking forward to this mod with great anticipation!

[Madox58]

The 12pdr I'm working on for Kafka BC could be easily adapted for your useage if you'd like.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I'm looking forward to this mod with great anticipation!

:yep::up:

[iambecomelife]

The 12pdr I'm working on for Kafka BC could be easily adapted for your useage if you'd like.

Thank you; that's very kind. Would be a useful 2ndary for many of the larger Royal Navy ships.

As for progress on the mod, texturing attempts on U-9 are going well. I plan to do the U-19 class soon. These are "must-have" player controlled units, considering they were Germany's first diesel U-Boats. What's more, they were involved in historically important successes - HMS Pathfinder, HMS Triumph, HMS Majestic, and of course the Lusitania.

I ordered a new book on WWI boats that's received great reviews for its technical drawings, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed until the weekend.

[Madox58]

If that book has any good details on weapons let me know.
:yep:

For some reason I enjoy doing weapons more then anything else.
:hmmm:

Maybe it's that the stock ones just don't look good to me.
I know why they were done as they are and have no complaints about that.
I enjoy a higher poly mesh is all.
Makes the many screen shots POP!
:D

[iambecomelife]

Size comparison of U-9 and U-19.

I am getting lots of contradictory info about what U-19 type boats' conning towers looked like, so the model is subject to change. Maybe my new book can clear things up.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U-19-and-9-v1-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U-19-and-9-v2.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

There were sometimes variations within ship types for the High Seas Fleet, and that may account for varying conning tower info. I will see if i can find a photo.... there is a good site for Ship data i will check too.

Index of U boat Photos:

http://www.german-uboats.com/Uboat%20Photos/

this site has some good info and pics on WWI sub warfare against Allied ships:

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/WSL-Uboat.htm

Execellent images of interior of U 88 including control panel, engines and more

http://www.cawreckdivers.org/Wrecks/ub88.htm

Type (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/)

U 19 (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/?type=U+19)

Shipyard Kaiserliche Werft, Danzig (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/shipyards.html?yard=Kaiserliche+Werft%2C+Danzig) (Werk 13) Ordered 25 Nov 1910 Laid down 20 Oct 1911 Launched 10 Oct 1912 Commissioned 6 Jul 1913 Commanders 1 Aug 1914 - 15 Mar 1916 Constantin Kolbe (http://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/146.html)16 Mar 1916 - 10 Aug 1916 Raimund Weisbach (http://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/394.html)11 Aug 1916 - 4 Jul 1917 Johannes Spieß (http://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/335.html)5 Jul 1917 - 15 Oct 1917 Heinrich(i.V.) Koch (http://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/145.html)25 Oct 1917 - 16 Nov 1917 Hans Albrecht Liebeskind (http://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/176.html)17 Nov 1917 - 31 May 1918 Kptlt. Johannes Spieß (http://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/335.html)1 Jun 1918 - 11 Nov 1918 Hans Albrecht Liebeskind (http://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/176.html) Career 12 patrols 1 Aug 1914 - 19 Sep 1916 III Flotilla
19 Sep 1916 - 1 May 1917 Baltic Flotilla
1 May 1917 - 11 Nov 1918 III Flotilla
Successes57 ships sunk for a total of 97,893 tons.
2 ships damaged for a total of 4,052 tons.
1 ship taken as prize for a total of 733 tons.
1 ship sunk for a total of 1,261 tons. Fate 24 Nov 1918 - Surrendered. Broken up at Blyth in 1919-20.

U 9 Class Boat

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/img/articles/u9_w606_h341.jpg

the U - 9

http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoWW1-12ssGerU3-22-U9GW.JPG

U - 20

http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/u20.jpg

U 23

http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoWW1-12ssGerU3-22-U20MQ.JPG

UC - 42

http://www.xray-mag.com/files/German_UC-1_class_submarine.jpg

U 106 -
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/03/16/t1larg.uboat.gi.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Thank you once again. It's a shame there are so few pictures of WWI boats, compared to the Type VII's and IX's of WWII.

Torpedo fodder for your submarines. Still have lots of merchants to make, because I will not be using the "Merchant Fleet Mod" ships in WOTK.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Small-S02.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Small-S01.jpg

[USS Drum]

The medium European Composite freighter in game could serve as a good WW1 ship.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I love the myriad small freighters of that era, that is a very nice centre island one you just made.

Let me know specific boats you may need photos of and I will be happy to dig for you, i am member on a number of naval history forums and there is a lot out there but it takes digging sometimes. thanks so much for your amazing efforts, this remains I believe potentially the only and best WWI full size naval sim yet, the others are strategic, or too small (Storm Eagles) .... i am praying that you have the strength to complete..and will do what I can to help you out.

This is an excellent site for photos and info on any ship from just about any navy:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/index.php

it is frequented by professional naval historians and actual naval officers including formerly some from WWI, and a number from WWII

[iambecomelife]

I love the myriad small freighters of that era, that is a very nice centre island one you just made.

Let me know specific boats you may need photos of and I will be happy to dig for you, i am member on a number of naval history forums and there is a lot out there but it takes digging sometimes. thanks so much for your amazing efforts, this remains I believe potentially the only and best WWI full size naval sim yet, the others are strategic, or too small (Storm Eagles) .... i am praying that you have the strength to complete..and will do what I can to help you out.

This is an excellent site for photos and info on any ship from just about any navy:

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/index.php

it is frequented by professional naval historians and actual naval officers including formerly some from WWI, and a number from WWII

Great; I will take a look. I would like any pictures you might have of the following:

U-19 class
U-66 class
U-63 class
U-93 class
U-139 cruiser subs
UB-II class

I already have a few photos of them, and I realize you already posted some pix of U-20 etc. but of course the more the merrier.

I received my book yesterday and it's a dream come true! Beautiful full-color profile drawings, hundreds of pages, and photos I've never seen before. I hope the moderators don't mind the plug, but it's a must have for anyone who is a WWI sub fan:

http://www.amazon.com/Kaisers-U-Boote-Histoire-Collections/dp/2913903967/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326055720&sr=1-1

It also cleared up one issue for me: I was having trouble with U-20's conning tower because one of my sources had misidentified a photo of a later U-Boat as U-20. I will update the model to remove the bulges at the side of the tower - among other changes.

@ USS Drum: Yes; I may include some of the better looking stock freighters as long as they have an early 20th Century look to them.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

OK i have started a thread over on the history of ships forum and will add those boats for pictures....

re early 20 cent merchants, a very common feature was a plub ie straight up and down bow, counter sterns and high stacks due to the coal fired boiilers...also distinctive early 20th century vents and blowers and fog horns..high profile compared to later in the century....

I do love those early ships, they had a beauty all their own. Sad to say over 5000 of them were sent to the bottom of Davy Jone's locker by the U boats but that was war.

Here is one of the very best sources for images and information for merchant ships of that era:

US Department of the Navy World War I Era Cargo Ships Organized by Type:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/usnshtp/ak/w1ak.htm

i think that one site will give you may pictures of ships that you may need...

and for British Merchant shipping, the best site is:

the Red Duster:

http://www.red-duster.co.uk/


that book looks wonderful congrats...

[Hylander_1314]

Great; I will take a look. I would like any pictures you might have of the following:

U-19 class
U-66 class
U-63 class
U-93 class
U-139 cruiser subs
UB-II class

I already have a few photos of them, and I realize you already posted some pix of U-20 etc. but of course the more the merrier.

I received my book yesterday and it's a dream come true! Beautiful full-color profile drawings, hundreds of pages, and photos I've never seen before. I hope the moderators don't mind the plug, but it's a must have for anyone who is a WWI sub fan:

http://www.amazon.com/Kaisers-U-Boote-Histoire-Collections/dp/2913903967/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326055720&sr=1-1

It also cleared up one issue for me: I was having trouble with U-20's conning tower because one of my sources had misidentified a photo of a later U-Boat as U-20. I will update the model to remove the bulges at the side of the tower - among other changes.

@ USS Drum: Yes; I may include some of the better looking stock freighters as long as they have an early 20th Century look to them.


Don't know if this will help, but Osprey Publications has a huge list of WWI books, and many on surface vessels, and subs.

It looks like this may be out of stock, but would be great for any 3D moddler. If you want, to left side of the page, unde the Period heading, click on WWI and scroll through the pages of books they have on the subject.

They are also loaded with pictures. I used there books for references when i made skins for the old Red Baron 3D Albatros DIII and DVa wings and tail colors. Lots of great info in them too!

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/U-boats-of-the-Kaisers-Navy_9781841763620

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

U 20

http://www.cityofart.net/bship/smu-20.jpg

U 53

http://www.cityofart.net/bship/uboat_jeer_1916.jpg

Zeebruge WWI Sub Pens

http://www.cityofart.net/bship/zeebrugge_sub_pens.jpg

U 14

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/U-14_%28WW1%29.jpg/220px-U-14_%28WW1%29.jpg

U 53 Rhode Island 1916

http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/German_submarine_SM_U-53.jpg/300px-German_submarine_SM_U-53.jpg

U 35

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p292/herrmill/U-35.jpg

Assorted Boats

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p292/herrmill/U-Boatsatpier.jpg
French Boat, U 133 and U 24 after surrender

U 20

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p292/herrmill/U20sunkLusitania.jpg


U 20 Scuttled

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/u_boat_U20.jpg

U 20 Austo Hungarian Fleet

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Undervandsb%C3%A5den_Havmanden_1914_gs.jpg/300px-Undervandsb%C3%A5den_Havmanden_1914_gs.jpg

U 22

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p292/herrmill/U-22.gif

U 88

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/U-135%20Mittell%20type.jpg

UC 67

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/u-boat4444.jpg

U 58 (being captured by US Navy)

http://www.ww1medals.net/U58surrenderB.jpg

U 53

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/web%20cpe_u53_01.jpg

U 53 conning tower

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/u53.jpg

U 53

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/German_submarine_SM_U-53.jpg

U 53

http://www.ww1medals.net/U53CREW%20The3%20Graphic%20Oct%201916.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

U 103

http://www.ww1medals.net/U-103xx.jpg


good example of dazzle paint Olympic

http://www.ww1medals.net/RMS%20OLYMPIC.jpg

U 123

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/U%20-%20123.jpg

U 9

http://www.ww1medals.net/images/cnp_submarine_u15_01.jpg

U 15

http://www.ww1medals.net/u-15.jpg

amazing site with great info on many of the most famous U boats of WWI

http://www.ww1medals.net/ww1_german_uboats.htm

U 88

http://files.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content_2010_04_21__23_01_13/U88_overall.jpgca222afc-5061-4089-b382-27fca842236eLarger.jpg

U boats in Keil in 1916

http://uboat.net/history/images/wwi_pic1.jpg
U 12, U 7, U W, U 6

http://warandgame.wordpress.com/files/2008/11/wwiubfg.jpg

Deck view unkown type

http://warandgame.wordpress.com/files/2008/11/wwwidf.jpg

U 9

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/SM_U_9_800px.jpg

In Port

http://diodon349.com/images/Nesting_subs_images/German_U-boats_pier_side_prior_toWorld_War_I.jpg
this picture above shows U 19, U 20 U 21 and U 22, better view at bottom of this post

At surrender

http://diodon349.com/images/Nesting_subs_images/Surrender_of_German_Uboats_at_end_of_WWI.jpg

U 19, U 20 U 21 U 22

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/75/u19202122.jpg

[USS Drum]

http://www.warchat.org/pictures/world_war_1_german_u_boats.jpg
Those aren't WWI the one a the far right is a IX-D2.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

OK i will delete that one, sorry, i am just finding pictures by their listings. thanks for the correction.

Here is a nice summary I found:

WWI German U Boat Classes

" kerosene-powered boats

o Type U 1, Type U 2, Type U 3, Type U 5, Type U 9, Type U 13, Type U 16, Type U 17

" Mittel-U MAN diesel boats

o Type U 19, Type U 23, Type U 27, Type U 31, Type U 43, Type U 51, Type U 57, Type U 63, Type U 66, Type Mittel U

" U-Cruisers and Merchant U-boats

o Type U 139, Type U 142, Type U 151

" UB coastal torpedo attack boats

o Type UB I, Type UB II, Type UB III

" UC coastal minelayers

o Type UC I, Type UC II, Type UC III

" UE ocean minelayers

o Type UE 1, Type UE 2

[steve_the_slim]

Some of those pictures appear to be mislabeled. The one that says "U 58 (being captured by US Navy)" is the same as "U 20 aground", and near the bottom you have two identical pictures labeled "U 9" and "U 15". You can clearly see a "15" painted on the bow, so I'm pretty sure that's not U9.

[Sailor Steve]

"U20 again" is the same picture as the first "U20".

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I agree on the sub that appears in two different picture titles, someone got it wrong...i am just conveying resources i am finding, i think that is indeed the captured boat if i recall it from other sources...and not U 20 going aground.

I will try to come back and edit and correct shortly just posting more and an archive of new pics to share.

U 125 1918 just before being given to the IJN

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg535/scaled.php?server=535&filename=u125.jpg&res=medium

U 9 Returning to Port after sinking three RN Cruisers

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg62/scaled.php?server=62&filename=u902a.jpg&res=medium


http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg404/scaled.php?server=404&filename=u35inthemed.jpg&res=medium (http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg404/scaled.php?server=404&filename=u35inthemed.jpg&res=medium)

U 35 sub that sank over 200 ships....

195 ships sunk for a total of 466.518 GRT
2 warships sunk for a total of 2.500 tons
3 ships sunk for a total of 21.536 GRT

U 25 with a scouting Seaplane

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg607/scaled.php?server=607&filename=u251afriedrichshafenff2.jpg&res=medium

U 25 shown here with what is said to be a 1A Friedrichshafen FF-29 Seaplane


U 12 and U 1

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg72/scaled.php?server=72&filename=u12andu1.jpg&res=medium


excellent thread with many photos and some info

http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1555&highlight=WWI+german+submarines

any and all corrections very welcome as I do not know much at all about this era with submarines...my knowledge of WWI has been mostly surface ships.

Archive of Photos of German WWI U boats with interiors, conning tower views, con positions on conning towers, deck views, posters and ship pictures..

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21166682/German+U+Boat+Photos+WWI.zip

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I will try to find more...and please post any further corrections or additions to the info that anyone knows....

[iambecomelife]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/piecesof8.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/88-gun-v1.jpg

Work on the 88mm gun for medium-sized U-Boats. A short barreled weapon totally different from the famous World War II 88. I have few sources and not much XP modeling weapons, unfortunately. If you have pictures of WWI 88's, you know what to do. ;)

I checked Naval Weapons and they don't have a detailed diagram of this weapon; most of the details are being eyeballed in from what few photos I located.

[CCIP]

I believe the pictures I have from the Ottawa War Museum have a preserved 88 in a WWI U-boat mount...

I don't have any further details on which boat that is from though, unfortunately, and it seems like this one is missing a few parts.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/stuff/881.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/stuff/882.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/stuff/883.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/stuff/884.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/stuff/885.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/myspb2006/stuff/886.jpg

[Deamon]

Work on the U-9 class submarines - small coastal boats which burned paraffin instead of diesel fuel. Consequently, they suffered from poor range compared to more modern U-Boats. Their fuel source also generated huge clouds of white smoke, making them easily visible. There were four boats in the class (U-9, U-10, U-11, and U-12). U-9, which sank "Aboukir", "Cressy", and "Hogue", was the only boat in the class to survive the war.
Whereas the shorter range of the paraffin boats was not due to the fuel type but due to an inefficient fuel tank arrangement. The first boats didn't had the arrangement where the oil drifts on water in the tank but had closed tube shaped tanks, that means there were extra tanks that were kept empty and then filled with water as the fuel is being expended to account for the weight loss. Overall this reduced the room left for the fuel to only 50% or less, which then obviously accounts for the shorter range.

Hey iam how's it going ? Nice to see your project still going.

[Sailor Steve]

I agree on the sub that appears in two different picture titles, someone got it wrong...i am just conveying resources i am finding, i think that is indeed the captured boat if i recall it from other sources...and not U 20 going aground.
Cool. I was just bringing to your attention, not trying to say that "you" were wrong. It's a great thing you're doing here, and some awesome pictures. :rock:

[Deamon]

I love the myriad small freighters of that era
I second that! This era is just so beautfull and in my own project i invest considerable efforts to get the environment and the diversity of the merchant shipping right.

[USS Drum]

Here's a picture of a WWI 88:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/U-19_gun_Ward_Park_Bangor_right_view_geograph.org.uk _646194_8c3d0bd1-by-Ross.jpg/300px-U-19_gun_Ward_Park_Bangor_right_view_geograph.org.uk _646194_8c3d0bd1-by-Ross.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Whereas the shorter range of the paraffin boats was not due to the fuel type but due to an inefficient fuel tank arrangement. The first boats didn't had the arrangement where the oil drifts on water in the tank but had closed tube shaped tanks, that means there were extra tanks that were kept empty and then filled with water as the fuel is being expended to account for the weight loss. Overall this reduced the room left for the fuel to only 50% or less, which then obviously accounts for the shorter range.

Hey iam how's it going ? Nice to see your project still going.

Hi Deamon! I was afraid you were no longer on the forums.

Thank you for that point about paraffin. Making this mod has gotten me much more interested in U-Boat engines, propulsion, and fuel. It will be interesting in this mod to deal with smaller subs (U-9, UB-I) that have small diesel/paraffin tanks. Instead of charging everywhere at maximum speed, conserving resources will be necessary. This, of course, will help determine how many ships you sink per patrol.

[iambecomelife]

I second that! This era is just so beautfull and in my own project i invest considerable efforts to get the environment and the variability of the merchant shipping right.

I really like the way ships look in your work, Deamon. In SH3 and SH4 the ships seem too small somehow. I think the field of view in the camera file is incorrect. In your renders the field of view seems to be more accurate - IUF ships seem massive, the way they should be. I've been up close to the wrecked ship below and she was huge - despite being a "small" buoy tender of maybe 180 feet long.

http://transparencyinsport.org/Peter_Hargitay_Spindoctor_to_the_world/Images-Spindoctor_to_the_world(page2)/(6)Pilar(full).jpg

Thank you to the others for your photos of 88mm's - I had seen the picture of U-20's gun but couldn't remember where it was. :damn:

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Yes I am glad you caught that duplicate of that one photo, i am very new to this era of U boats and learning as I go along.

One of the most remarkable finds so far is a full deck plan and side elevation of U 63-65 in very large scale, over 6000, so you get a very large total plan of it. I put it into that pack of pictures but here is it alone as a zip of anyone is interested.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg710/scaled.php?server=710&filename=u6365langsschnitteinric.jpg&res=medium

Zip of Ship Plan in High Resolution:

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21169310/U+63-65+Plan.zip

U-63 was one of the most successful German WWI U-boats * 74 cargo ships sunk for a total of 210,865 tons, plus British cruiser Falmouth. Laid down : 30.04.1915 (Germaniawerft, Kiel), launched : 8.02.1916, commissioned : 11.03.1916. displacement * 810 / 927 tons
overall length * 68,36 m
beam * 6,30 m
draft * 4,04 m
armament (late war fit) * 4 torpedo tubes 500 mm (2 bow, 2 stern), 1 x 105 mm, 1 x 88 mm


More Pictures found:

Remarkable pictures of U 118 went aground off UK

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/1992/u1181.jpg

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg51/scaled.php?server=51&filename=u1182.jpg&res=medium

UB 111 with excellent view of conning tower at time of surrender, and paint scheme

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg28/scaled.php?server=28&filename=ub111classboatatsurrnde.jpg&res=medium

U 14

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/U-14_%28WW1%29.jpg

U 1

http://warandgame.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/uboatonekero.jpg

Victim of the Flanders Flotilla...

http://silentseawolvesmsw.devhub.com/img/upload//ipoionoi.jpg

U 155 1917, looking from Bow to Stern

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2905/simonbangcollectiongerm.jpg

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2905/simonbangcollectiongerm.jpg


The Austro- Hungarian SM U-21 loads a torpedo during World War I.

http://storeagemsw.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sm_u-21_28austria-hungary29.jpg
Leviathan in Camoflage

http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/49ff0bc9a2a1646c9a4b1668c90637cd70439626_m.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

U 21

http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages7/WW1SubCaptains/U-21OttoHersing.jpg

Boat of an unusually successful captain: summary i found as follows:

Introduction.
In WW1, the submarine as a lethal weapon of war was in its infancy, however, two German Naval Officers, Kappitanleutnants, Otto Hersing, and Lothar von Arnauld de la Periera in command of SM U-21 and SM U-35 respectively, soon seized the initiative to make their presence felt, so much so, that the British placed a 100,000 Pound bounty upon Otto's head.

Otto Hersing and his Command, SM U-21.
Early in WW1, Kptlt. Otto Hersing in his SM U-21, ordered the firing of the very first torpedo to be sent on its way in a time of war. Off the Firth of Forth, on Scotland's east coast, ( which he had recently penetrated ) he found the 3,000 ton, British Light Cruiser HMS Pathfinder. His torpedo ran true, and the cruiser sank in minutes, taking 259 out of 296 of the crew with her.

Pathfinder was only the second warship to be sunk by a submarine, the first, USS Housantonic, despatched by H L Hunley on the 17th. of February 1864.


1915 and beyond.
In 1915, we find U-21, arriving in the Dardenelles area, sent to assist in the defense of Turkey, in her struggle against the Allies. On the 25th. of May, Hersing sank the British battleship HMS Triumph, and but two days later had further spectacular success, when he despatched her sister battleship HMS Majestic, the third British warship to carry that name, to the bottom.

He now sailed his boat into Constantinople on the 5t. of June, to be rewarded with the top award of the Pour le Merite, unlike some of his contempories, Otto lived to enjoy his Medal. The crew of U-21 were all decorated with the Iron Cross First Class. In 1915 in Germany, a Medal was manufactured by R Ball, to mark Otto Hersing's success in U-21.

Further success.
In July 1915, the French Transport, the 5,600 ton, Cartage was sunk. Otto now seemed to rest on his laurels, and it took him until the 8th. of February 1916 before he was able to find and sink the French armoured cruiser Amiral Charner, only one member of her crew was to survive out of 335 on board.

By April of 1916, Otto Hersing had taken his submarine out of the Dardenelles arena into the Mediterranean, and about 60 miles east of Malta he sank the British Merchantman City of Benares.

U-21 now negotiated the Straits of Gibraltar safely to go home to Germany, and later undertook patrols around Britain, Hersing came close to being sunk in August 1917, whilst attacking a convoy, but Otto was a true survivor and saw out the war.

His U-Boat on its way to surrender, was being towed by a British ship, but her Commanding Officer, defiant to the end, opened up her seacocks to scuttle her on the 22nd. of February 1919, her resting place: 54 degrees 19 minutes North, 3 degrees 42 minutes West.

National Underwater and Marine Agency.
An expedition organised by NUMA over May/June 1984 located both the wreck of HMS Pathfinder and U-21.

Kptlt Lothar von Arnauld dela Periera takes command of SM U-35.
At the end of 1915, Kptlt Lothar von Arnauld de la Periera assumed command of SM U-35. Over his career in this submarine he only ever fired four torpedoes, one of which missed its target. He favoured using his 88mm deck gun as the mode for sinking his victims, at which he was very successful, in all he accounted for 194 ships whose tonnage added up to 454,000 tons, a record which still stands in 2005.

Over a five week stint in April/May in 1916, 23 ships went to the bottom, and they equalled 68,000 tons, but this master U-Boat Captain bettered that feat in four weeks in July/August of that year, when he sank 54 ships to come to 91,150 tons. He remained in this one U-Boat until 1918, over 15 patrols.

He was quite a modest seaman, and describing one of these patrols stated: "My record cruise was quite tame and dull. We stopped the vessels, the crews boarded the lifeboats. We inspected the ship's documents, told the crew how they could reach the next port and then sank the stopped prize."

This Naval Officer served in theTurkish Navy in the thirties, rejoined the German Navy when WW2 came in 1939. He died in an aircraft accident close to Paris in 1941.both of these captains might make good missions for the sim...not sure if you have done the older Majestic RN pre dreadnoughts but that one captain sank two of them.

[Deamon]

Hi Deamon! I was afraid you were no longer on the forums.
I am still around it's just that i do not post much these days. I am too immersed into development.

Thank you for that point about paraffin. Making this mod has gotten me much more interested in U-Boat engines, propulsion, and fuel.It absolutely is interesting! And wait till you have seen the next release. You know i work this stuff out in great detail and in the newer prototype i worked out the propulsion system of U 1 in great detail already, it's not complete yet but fiddling around with it is just awesome, you have full control about everything and i even have included the authentic starting procedure for the engines and they can be run only in high rpm range just like in real. The simulation is fully dynamic so that you have countless fluctuations depending on the situation and load. And i have a real simulation of the engines, it's not just a parameter giving off power depending on the telegraph setting, i actually simulate combustion, engine cooling, lubrication, fuel/air mixture and stuff. It's just awesome, you got to see to believe it. It's hilarious what can all happen when you fiddle around with the propulsion system controls. I still remember when i couldn't get the engine to start and couldn't figure out what was wrong, frustrated i started to look into the code to see if there was a newly introduced bug somewhere, just to realize that i had forgotten to open the fuel valve or forgot to crank up the governor or something trivial like that :har:

The electric motors are also simulated in all details, that means speed control is achieved by anchor and battery wiring and shunt field control. You can even take individual battery banks offline if you want. You also have full control of the clutches and propeller pitch.

The engines need to be pre-heated with hot air before you can start them and have to be rotated with the electric motors for that time and up untill ignition. That means you actually need to have enough current left in the batteries and need to have working electric motors in order to start the engines. That all means that casting off and docking you do with the electric motors just like in real. Overal the electric plant is of central importance in IUF since you can't even start the engnines without it ( although diesel engines can also be started with pressurized air as well, if my memory serves me right ).

The simulation isn't complete yet but it is awesome already and is a simulation in itself. Together with a, once again, vastly improved ship dynamics system the experience reached a whole new level from what you have seen in the last release. Actually i am quite dumbfounded by its potential. I will probably never be able again to go back to SH and that alike.

But it will still take time till the next release since the development took an unexpected turn. I got a new idea for an SDK that made most of the other that i was developing till then obsolete. The new SDK concept was so superior to the old ones and so promesing that i dedicated all of 2011 to it, it's almost finished now. I was wondering if you would like to participate in testing it ?

This new SDK provides unprecedented possebilities. You can not only mod everything with it but also define the low level logic of the game. That means you can define the functionality of the ships, the environment, physics, AI and all that. There is almost no limit to what yo can do with it. In other words you can develop a great deal of the the game with it instead of merely moding it. You can use it to add all thouse little things you always wished to have but no studio ever cared for. The most intriguing thing about this new SDK is the development speed that you can achieve with it. The SDK is straight forward and features a capeable programming language that is easy to learn. You can achieve results very fast, much like in Blitz3D. This is why i had focused all efforts into it in 2011, to complete this thing as fast as possible. When it's done i will use it extensively to catch up with the progress i had to freeze once again for a whole year. I really grew tired of that but this time it was worth it, also because this new SDK nails them all. It makes most other SDK's superfluouse because it can do it all. It's the most brilliant thing that i came up with so far.

Developing all this takes very long but the results can be described only as epic. IUF turns out epic in just every respect and just like i have envisioned it. Once the new SDK is complete i expect rapid progress again, much faster than before.

It will be interesting in this mod to deal with smaller subs (U-9, UB-I) that have small diesel/paraffin tanks. Instead of charging everywhere at maximum speed, conserving resources will be necessary. This, of course, will help determine how many ships you sink per patrol.This aspect bothered me for a long time now in this u-boat games. You almost never have to bother about fuel. I can't remember ever having expended my fuel prior to my torpedos. In reality fuel was of course of great concern. In WWI it was even a common practice to tow the shorter ranged boats to the open sea just to save some fuel, at least this was a practice in the east sea theatre.

I agree on the different boat types. It will be awesome to simulate them in IUF in great detail one day. The simulational depth of the IUF will be particularly suitable to highligh the differences in this boats and explore their potential.

I really like the way ships look in your work, Deamon. In SH3 and SH4 the ships seem too small somehow. I think the field of view in the camera file is incorrect. In your renders the field of view seems to be more accurate - IUF ships seem massive, the way they should be. I've been up close to the wrecked ship below and she was huge - despite being a "small" buoy tender of maybe 180 feet long.
I can't agree more. This aspect adds so much to the experience at least for us both. Ironically you are the only tester who have ever pointed that out. I guess not everyone is able to appreciate that. But anyway i use a camera azimuth that reflects that of the human eye and i am more than pleased with the results.

[USS Drum]

You've made a mistake the Lusitania never was in camouflage and was a four stacker the one seen here says it is the USS Leviathan:
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/49ff0bc9a2a1646c9a4b1668c90637cd70439626_m.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Thank you, i was hurrying and my old eyes misread the caption..thanks for that help.:salute: corrected it. That is quite a snazzy dazzle pattern they used. It would give U boat captains eye strain if nothing else.

[Madox58]

@ iambecomelife,

I have a few good images of the Krupp 8.8cm used on u-boats during WWI if you'd like them.

There were 2 different versions that I have images of from what I see.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/88.jpg
I also think that there were versions mounted on collapsible mounts and a version that stowed away under the deck when diving?

[iambecomelife]

I can't thank you guys enough! @ Privateer: That's great; you can post pictures of the 88mm's here or PM me for my new email address.

I tested the barrel for the 88mm gun ingame last night, using the USN 3.5" mounting - thankfully it worked fine. No additional animations are needed; the recoil effect from stock SH4 will do nicely. The only issue was the gun barrel had no texture & showed up as black. I suspect it's an AO problem.

Here is an updated roster of subs that I am thinking about:


U-9 Class Small Coastal Sub (2 bow, 2 stern TT, 6 torps, 14.2 kts)
UB-I Class Small Coastal Sub(2 bow, 0 stern TT, 2 torps, 6.5 kts)
UB-III Class Small Submarine (4 bow, 1 stern TT, 10 torps, 13.6 kts)
U-19 Class Diesel Submarine (2 bow, 2 stern TT, 6 torps, 15.4 kts)
U-31 Class Diesel Submarine (2 bow, 2 stern TT, 6 torps, 16.4 kts)
U-51 Class Diesel Submarine (2 bow, 2 stern TT, 6-8 torps, 17.1 kts)
U-63 Class Diesel Submarine (2 bow, 2 stern TT, 6-8 torps, 16.5 kts)
U-87 Class Diesel Submarine (4 bow, 2 stern TT, 16 torps, 15.6 kts)
U-139 Class Large U-Cruiser (4 bow, 2 stern TT, 24 torps, 15.8 kts)

I'm open to suggestions. I'd especially like to know what people think about the UB-I class. They will be nice for people who like a challenge, but on the other hand some players might be bothered by the low speed and only having 2 torpedoes.

The U-139 class will be rare & require lots of renown to obtain - to my knowledge, they were mostly entrusted to aces like Lothar von Arnauld de la Perière.

[Madox58]

I'll PM you with my e-mail and connect that way.
Some of the images are copy righted so I'd not like to post them here.
There are very few that I have found but they are all very good for doing models from as there are good reference points to judge sizes.
Once I get several good reference images and the specs on the weapons?
It get's to be a pretty quick process to create the weapon to a pretty good scaled model.
I also work 100% or more scaled up then scale down when done modeling.
SH3/4 scale is a bit weird to work with in some programs.
I have a free scaler I use that is perfect for doing this!

[andypandy1996]

This thing looks great! Has it come out yet???

[Sailor Steve]

II'm open to suggestions. I'd especially like to know what people think about the UB-I class. They will be nice for people who like a challenge, but on the other hand some players might be bothered by the low speed and only having 2 torpedoes.
I'd certainly be bothered by it, but I'd take my assignment and make the best of it, just as I take totally empty patrols in WW2.

If it ain't real, it ain't worth playin'.

[CCIP]

Yeah, why not? And they'd certainly make for some very interesting short but risky patrols.

By the same token, I haven't heard anyone complaining about Type XXIII being included in SH3/4 WWII mods - although I don't know a lot of people who play it, it's a nice inclusion.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

That is a great photo Privateer, shows the deck details, top hamper and very good detail of the 88, thanks for sharing that. Really nice picture. Amazing how much there is when one starts digging considering how many years ago it was...and the chaos that hit the German Imperial government and services at the end of the war.

[Madox58]

A good line drawing of the Krupp 8.8cm L/30 would help. It's my understanding most of Krupp's documents were destroyed after the War.
:nope:
Krupp survived by owning a large share of Bofor's and moveing thier people out of Germany.

The WWII version of the 88 does share some details but one will need to study any images of the WWI U-boat Guns to do a good model.
As it's a player used Gun it will require better details then what would be done for non-player Guns.

I hope the images I've collected help.
:up:

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_88mm-30_skc97.htm



Campbell, John (2002). Naval Weapons of World War Two. London: Conway Maritime Press. ISBN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 0-87021-459-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-87021-459-4).
Gander, Terry; Chamberlain, Peter (1979). Weapons of the Third Reich: An Encyclopedic Survey of All Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the German Land Forces 1939–1945. New York: Doubleday. ISBN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 0-385-15090-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-385-15090-3).
Hogg, Ian V. (1997). German Artillery of World War Two (2nd corrected ed.). Mechanicsville, PA: Stackpole Books. ISBN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 1-85367-480-X (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/1-85367-480-X).
Rolf, Rudi (1998). Der Atlantikwall: Bauten der deutschen Küstenbefestigungen 1940-1945. Osnabrück: Biblio. ISBN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number) 3-7648-2469-7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/3-7648-2469-7).
Rolf, Rudi (2004). A Dictionary on Modern Fortification: An Illustrated Lexicon on European Fortification in the Period 1800-1945. Middleburg, Netherlands: PRAK.

[Madox58]

Here's a shot of the 12pdr with MKI type barrel end.
It's more accurate for your era.
This is shot in SH3 but once all the work is done it's a quick click to convert it to SH4.
I'll burn the AO and Normal stuff then also.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/12pdrMKI_1.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Here's a shot of the 12pdr with MKI type barrel end.
It's more accurate for your era.
This is shot in SH3 but once all the work is done it's a quick click to convert it to SH4.
I'll burn the AO and Normal stuff then also.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/12pdrMKI_1.jpg

Thank you for the model. What program do you use for AO's and normal maps?

[Maki4444]

Words cannot express the great ammount of admiration and awe I hold for you wonderful and dedicated people. I await the day when all of us will be able to relive the glorious era of the Kaiserliche u-boote. The conflict is not forgotten....thank you

[iambecomelife]

Skinning progress on the submarine U-9. The hull is symmetrical and can feature hull numbers, so you can select a skin that corresponds to your assigned boat (although this skin is "plain"). The final product may change a little or a lot depending on whether I improve my alpha channel & AO map skills:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-22-12.jpg

[ReallyDedPoet]

Continued good luck with this one :yep::up:

WWI will be a great change of pace for many here at SUBSIM.

[Madox58]

Thank you for the model. What program do you use for AO's and normal maps?

Autodesk's SoftImage Mod Tool 7.5 (FREE!) for AO's
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/item?siteID=123112&id=13571257

The SH5 Devs told me how they did the AO's and they look much better to me.


NJob (FREE!) for Normals.
http://charles.hollemeersch.net/njob

You'll need a paint program that can switch the Green and Blue channels.
danlisa has a tutorial here in downloads on Normal creation in PhotoShop.

The Life Boat I released for SH4 was done with the above programs.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

U 9 looks great, very nice work!

[jason210]

I could probably help by providing models of North Atlantic merchant ships of the period, as I have a special knowledge of that.

I work with 3D Studio Max, though, so can provide files in .X format, .3DS or native Max.

PM me if you are interested.

[iambecomelife]

I could probably help by providing models of North Atlantic merchant ships of the period, as I have a special knowledge of that.

I work with 3D Studio Max, though, so can provide files in .X format, .3DS or native Max.

PM me if you are interested.

Thank you very much - I will be in touch with you.

To everyone else I just obtained a nice model of HMS Tiger. If it can be implemented ingame then I will have models for all of the British battlecruisers except the Indefatigables. Which means more time for less well known ships. :DL
http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h393/delta_strife/Unit%20Creation/HMSTiger.png

[iambecomelife]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/leyland-01.jpg

A sample of the ship profiles I pm'ed you about; if you need reference drawings for a certain ship, let me know.

[Sailor Steve]

I just googled the title, and there are 40 volumes in the series!?!? :o
http://www.marinersinternational.com/haws.html

[edit] Never mind. I just found at least one of the collected copies in hardcover. :sunny:

[edit 2] Hmm. What I thought was a collected edition was just one volume. Looks like I have some saving to do.

[Madox58]

To everyone else I just obtained a nice model of HMS Tiger. If it can be implemented ingame then I will have models for all of the British battlecruisers except the Indefatigables. Which means more time for less well known ships. :DL


Nice Model indeed.
Does it need the UV's re-worked?

[iambecomelife]

Nice Model indeed.
Does it need the UV's re-worked?

Yes - it doesn't have a texture.

I just opened the model and as nice as it is it's extremely high poly and it hasn't even been triangulated yet. Not sure if I will use it after all, although I am very grateful to the contributor.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Hi I
Check your PM, I sent you some more data. Cheers

what a lovely Tiger! She was a beautiful ship.

[Hitman]

Excellent job :up:

As you know I kitbashed some models for the sadly cancelled JMFM, so if you want them they're all yours. They were ex-british WWI era ships, so they could fit well with some tweaking here and there.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/tatersw/SH4/aden_v1.jpg

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/180/adamaruwip.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Those are nice Hitman, nicely detailed.

[iambecomelife]

Those are nice Hitman, nicely detailed.

Yes - They look a lot like typical WWI ships, with the tall funnel & straight bows.

@Admiral Von Gerlach - Thanks for the documents! The plans are precisely what I was looking for.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

My Pleasure sir, i will keep digging.

[iambecomelife]

Deamon check your PM, please.

Thank you.

[iambecomelife]

Fine-tuning the U-9 model. I finally discovered how to create the streamlined indentation for the forward torpedo tubes (see before and after pix). This will be useful for creating other openings in hulls, like vent holes, portholes, & casemates.

A bit embarrassing that it took so long to do this, but better late than never.

The skin has been updated, with a hull number added.

BEFORE:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/aaabefore.jpg
AFTER:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/aaaa-after.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Wow! That looks fantastic!

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Wonderful, congrats. Looks fantastic. Good job!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Looks great :yep:

[iambecomelife]

It's been a bit quiet but that's for a reason - lots of modeling work getting done! I'd like to recommend Adm. von Gerlach and Deamon for the Blue Max - their rare images of WWI U-Boats have exceeded all my expectations. A heartfelt thank you to everyone who's contributed, but they deserve special mention.

Expect a SPECIAL UPDATE within 1-2 weeks. Until then, enjoy the Superbowl (or ignore it, if you're one of our European friends). :rotfl2:

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Danke. It is a pleasure for this old sailorman to be of service in your fine work. You are achieveing things i have dreamed of for years, seeing these beautiful ships of that long ago era come to life...and the men who served on them thus honoured. I am still digging :)

[ajeganwalsh]

This looks quality, can't wait! :)

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Keep up the great work the Kaiser is very pleased I am sure..wherever he is now. :)

He loved his Fleet.

[jhapprich]

Sorry to interrupt, but i wanted to show you my wip R-Class which i would like to contribute to this fine mod. note this is just the raw model, no floodholes or other detailes at the moment.
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7181/r1wip.jpg

[Chrisi078]

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/sms_koenigsberg_1.htm

[iambecomelife]

Thank you, Chris and jhapprich, for your contributions.

Regrettably, due to new professional commitments I will have to slow the pace of updates on this mod. The update I had planned has been postponed. However, I will do my best to complete WOTK in the timeframe indicated.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Good luck with the work schedule..i too have had to focus on work..but will wait with great hope the outcome here...a wonderful project and I will keep a weather eye out for data for you. Glad you saw that fine Helgoland being made...and also an Emden too i understand tho i have not seen her.

[jtdude100]

so to my understandnig, this great undertaking is not done yet? i am just asking. first screenshot made me think this was another game :) it looks great

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

It is a one man proiject and he is very busy with RL but we are standing by to help as we can...

release is a ways off, and it is a mod for SH IV

[leadtail]

Guess the ship.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/SHIII/Bisson02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/SHIII/Bisson01.jpg

iambecomelife send me a pm when you see this please.

[iambecomelife]

Ermm - I'm a bit stumped. Is it the "Jacob Jones"?

Very nice work, whatever she is!

[Chrisi078]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5foWKctuI

[iambecomelife]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5foWKctuI

Your video has been blocked by youtube, Chrisi078.

I was really hoping for an extensive update this month, including videos - unfortunately, I'm in no shape to mod after work. I wish I could but I just can't focus when I'm tired. The whole situation is very frustrating for me.

Anyway, here's a small update with screenshots, instead:


-Taking the U-9 kerosene-powered boat for a spin. The radar, of course, will be removed from the final version. The model also needs masts and smaller details. Also need a particle effect for white kerosene smoke coming from the exhaust. The gun barrel is from the 88mm I'm working on, but the base is an american weapon.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/petrol-boat.jpg

-Particle effects. The standard SH4 fire & smoke have always been a big sticking point for me, so I redid them. The flame shape is from TMO, but the textures, colors, smoke shape, and .dat file adjustments are all mine.
Two varieties of flame are shown; one dark red, the other pale. I think the lighter one is better-not sure if anyone has a preference.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/particle1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/particle2.jpg

-A destructible target you should probably leave alone. Then again, maybe you have a thing for blasphemy. Or maybe you enjoy reading Allied propaganda about "Godless Huns" when you get back to port. :-?

Anyway, I need lots more props for coastal towns near the English Channel & North Sea. My plan is to use standardized, modular rows of destructible buildings to simulate these settlements. There will be a few landmarks, but 100% faithful models of towns aren't feasible. Even the smaller ports had hundreds of houses, etc.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/church1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/church2.jpg

[JapLance]

Wow, that darker smoke looks... REAL :o :up:

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Looking Great Kapitan! here are more plans from some fellow naval historians ...

this time U 63 class plans WWI High Seas Fleet

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21498638/U+63+WWI+U+Boat+Plans.zip

dont worry about work, i am in the same boat...and understand totally. Just do what you can when you can.

If you let me know file formats you can use for buildings, i can get you some probably, and also what formats you can convert to what you need. I have access to hundreds of buildings in a number of formats. Many will be from that era for it is an era that I study extensively. Do the textures used in the SH series need Alphas? let me know via PM and we can discuss things i may be able to get to you including some civilian harbor ships like coasters, trawlers, small sail boats, and thames sailing barges.

PS two more photos from contributors...among naval historians...

one a very widely seen photo but this is a fine example with good detail... the other of the D 7 at full speed a nice fleet picture with the bow of a sister ship to the port...

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6908/u7u12.jpg

and another...

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3212/uboats.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

U 64-65 plan large scale

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6166/u63tou65.jpg

[Soviet Creeper]

Oh mah gawd.

I cannot wait for this mod to be released. Its nice having something to look forward too :yep:

[Markus_1987]

Hallo, der Mod sieht spitze aus.

Wie weit seit ihr eigentlich schon?

Wird das ein Großmod geben?


Ich vermute mal, dass ein Release Date noch in weiter ferne ist!

Gute Arbeit!!!

Weiter so!!!!

[Chrisi078]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=473&pictureid=5514

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=473&pictureid=4372

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=473&pictureid=4426
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=473&pictureid=3900

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=473&pictureid=4449

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=183101&page=19

The ships will do well in ww1

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

are these ships available as add ons? Are they for SH V?

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Markus,

das Projekt wird noch einige Zeit, bevor es fertig ist, wie nur ein Mann arbeiten daran wird sein, wir alle beitragen, Informations-und Modell-Quellen, wenn möglich. Behalten Sie die Kontrolle zurück.

for english, ...this just says it will be a while before done, and being done by one man, and we do what we can to help with Information.

[jhapprich]

so isses,genosse!

[Oesten]

Wow! I had no idea this mod even existed!

The work so far is incredible, the ships and artwork are amazing. I haven't felt this excited since I heard about 1914: Shells of Fury being released, and then was gutted when the game turned out to be too difficult for me to play due to the AI being far too good.

This mod is a dream come true, hope it gets finished someday. I'll hang on to my copy of SHIV now....

[Deamon]

Oesten!!! :o

Man, where have you been ? Haven't seen you for an eturnity!

[iambecomelife]

Wow! I had no idea this mod even existed!

The work so far is incredible, the ships and artwork are amazing. I haven't felt this excited since I heard about 1914: Shells of Fury being released, and then was gutted when the game turned out to be too difficult for me to play due to the AI being far too good.

This mod is a dream come true, hope it gets finished someday. I'll hang on to my copy of SHIV now....

To you (and everyone else)...

At present I am devising a schedule so that progress on the game goes more smoothly. Things have gotten complicated since February. I'm an [inexperienced] attorney by day, I operate a small business at night, and in some of my spare time I train for a career outside of the law. Most nights I simply come home too tired to focus.:rotfl2:

I tried working while tired on week-nights when I was doing the "Merchant Fleet Mod" years ago, and the quality of work suffered badly. Making better use of weekends and holidays will be key.

Anyway, although things have quieted down thank you for your interest, and I hope to have more to show to you.:up:

[Oesten]

Oesten!!! :o

Man, where have you been ? Haven't seen you for an eturnity!

Yeah, the bitter disappointment of Shells of Fury put me off subsims for ages! I even started trying to mod the game, but couldn't work out how to mod the AI. Didn't really get into SHIV, and haven't even bought SHV.

Got interested in Europa Barbarorum mod for Rome: Total War - ancient history being my main hobby.

But if this 'Kaisermod' gets released, I'll go back to submarining again, since I'm now more interested in WW1 history than WW2. Might even finally try manual targeting, since there was no TDC in WW1 U-boats...

[Oesten]

To you (and everyone else)...

At present I am devising a schedule so that progress on the game goes more smoothly. Things have gotten complicated since February. I'm an [inexperienced] attorney by day, I operate a small business at night, and in some of my spare time I train for a career outside of the law. Most nights I simply come home too tired to focus.:rotfl2:

I tried working while tired on week-nights when I was doing the "Merchant Fleet Mod" years ago, and the quality of work suffered badly. Making better use of weekends and holidays will be key.

Anyway, although things have quieted down thank you for your interest, and I hope to have more to show to you.:up:

Don't worry - real life must come first, I understand completely! I'd hate for this mod to get abandoned though you getting overtired and frustrated - so take all the time you need and only work on it when you feel enthusiastic and fresh and have the time. If modding's not fun, it's not worth doing.

[Deamon]

Yeah, the bitter disappointment of Shells of Fury put me off subsims for ages! I even started trying to mod the game, but couldn't work out how to mod the AI. Didn't really get into SHIV, and haven't even bought SHV.

Got interested in Europa Barbarorum mod for Rome: Total War - ancient history being my main hobby.

But if this 'Kaisermod' gets released, I'll go back to submarining again, since I'm now more interested in WW1 history than WW2. Might even finally try manual targeting, since there was no TDC in WW1 U-boats...
I am with you on that. I didn't got into SHIV&V neither. SHIII was good enough to wetten my appetite but this games just don't fully deliver. SOF was cute but obviously nowhere near a killer sim.

Btw do you still feel ambitions to put your sleeves up and do something for your ultimate WWI sim if there would be the right opportunity ?

Btw have i ever showed you any of the IUF prototypes ?

[Oesten]

Wouldn't mind helping, but I'm not a very good modder or even a very good player of SHIII/IV. Bit of a noob really!

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Oesten, i agree re Shells of Fury, among other problems, the environment in that sim is terrible when it could have been decent. I too am intrigued by WWI and have wargemmed it for decades and look forward to the chance to see it here in SH IV as this is the best possible sim platform WWI has reached yet. Jutland and Distant Guns were promising but the view point is so small to be rather distant and unintersting tho they have just released finally a Falklands add on with the Scharnhorst and Gneisnau but ...you have to buy the most expensive full version of the main game over 50.00 US to then buy the add one which is a rip off in my book.

I also am intrgued by Ancient and have most of the add on mods for the Rome era, will go thru my notes and see if there is something that you may find interesting you may not know of yet. They have dome some great work on the mod environments for the original TW Rome that all the other eras are using now and it greatly enhances that sim. But this effort here is a fine one and I hope to see it luanched when the time is right, agree re real life and real life needs should come first. Thanks for the update I.

[Deamon]

Wouldn't mind helping, but I'm not a very good modder or even a very good player of SHIII/IV. Bit of a noob really!
I am asking cause my super SDK is almost finished and very soon there are lots of positions open in the IUF team. You don't really need skills as long as you have steam and willingness to learn.

My new super SDK is easy to use for game logic development, requires no skills to get started but just a little practice.

btw, haven't you missed one question from my post above ?

@Admiral von Gerlach:
Haven't you forgot something ?

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

iambecomelife...in case helpful, i found some info on Autro Hungarian Submarines which is in PDF format here..you may find these interesting sorry it is not in english.

These should give you what you need...

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6j853825nam9594

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?geqpiier3v2bvwt

Let me know if you might need anything else...


D, i have not forgotten just have been overwhelmed with life and its demands so have not had a chance ... thanks

[leadtail]

iambecomelife...in case helpful, i found some info on Autro Hungarian Submarines which is in PDF format here..you may find these interesting sorry it is not in english.

These should give you what you need...

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6j853825nam9594

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?geqpiier3v2bvwt

Let me know if you might need anything else...


D, i have not forgotten just have been overwhelmed with life and its demands so have not had a chance ... thanks

If Iambecomelife isn't interested I sure am as it will help in my mod! Thanks!

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Excelllent, you are welcome to the data, let me know if you or Iam need more information and we can scan the data and transmit what may be helpful.

Cheers :):salute:

[iambecomelife]

iambecomelife...in case helpful, i found some info on Autro Hungarian Submarines which is in PDF format here..you may find these interesting sorry it is not in english.

These should give you what you need...

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6j853825nam9594

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?geqpiier3v2bvwt

Let me know if you might need anything else...


D, i have not forgotten just have been overwhelmed with life and its demands so have not had a chance ... thanks

Thanks a lot! I really want to concentrate on Germany in the North Sea before making promises about Austria but I'll file it for future reference.

Fun fact: I went to school with the Great-Grandson of Georg Ritter von Trapp (yep, the "Sound of Music" guy). :rotfl2: He was a very successful Austrian commander, who sank the "Leon Gambetta" among others.

http://www.the-sound-of-music-guide.com/images/maria-georg.jpg

http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/bibl/mil/ww1/technika/hajok/jpg/leon_gambetta2.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Glad you liked that data

The Von Trapp family are family friends and the Von Trapp of SOM was a close friend of my Great Uncle's, he was a very nice gentleman with impeccable courtesy but was stern and very much a naval officer even after he left the service in the well known events so many will be familar with a popular version of. ..they had for many years a ski lodge ...

interesting how life touches many of our shores in interesting ways. I thought the comparison of the Austrian with the German boats might be interesting, there was some cooperation between the services but there was a lot of rivalry too, even up into WWII and after. The Austrians of today including my own family are NOT germans very decidedly. :)

[don1reed]

As a lad my first read of Lowell Thomas' " Raiders of the Deep" set my imagination ablaze. iambecomelife you and your team have put flint to steel and made fire.

Best of Luck!

[bdd458]

Looking nice :D.

I can't wait for this mod :3

[iambecomelife]

Work has started on the U-93 class boats. I had lacked sources for them but now they can be included, thanks to detailed pictures that the posters on this thread provided. :sunny: No screenshots yet, because the model is still in its early stages.

They were excellent submarines with higher speeds, faster diving times, and better weapons than the U-9 class & other pre-WWI boats. U-93's had four bow and two stern torpedo tubes, making it easier to attack convoys or well-armored ships. Unfortunately, they entered service too late to have much of an impact on the war - a bit like the situation in WWII with Type XXI and XXIII boats.


http://uboat.net/wwi/types/?type=U+93

I will also be polishing the U-9 model, doing more research on shore targets, and a few other things in the next few days.

[Bubblehead1980]

Work has started on the U-93 class boats. I had lacked sources for them but now they can be included, thanks to detailed pictures that the posters on this thread provided. :sunny: No screenshots yet, because the model is still in its early stages.

They were excellent submarines with higher speeds, faster diving times, and better weapons than the U-9 class & other pre-WWI boats. U-93's had four bow and two stern torpedo tubes, making it easier to attack convoys or well-armored ships. Unfortunately, they entered service too late to have much of an impact on the war - a bit like the situation in WWII with Type XXI and XXIII boats.


http://uboat.net/wwi/types/?type=U+93

I will also be polishing the U-9 model, doing more research on shore targets, and a few other things in the next few days.

:yeah:

[Fritz Klum]

This mod looks really interesting. When might a beta version be available for download?

[iambecomelife]

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/AA1-Mboat-2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/AA1-Mboat-1.jpg

Some screenshots of the U-93 boats. They still need conning towers & many other fittings. Note the rounded hull, which was very different from the ridged hull of early U-Boats. All blueprints are from the U-160 and U-166 sub-types, which were very similar externally. I was unable to find any blueprints of U-93 herself but these should work out well enough.

And Fritz, unfortunately I don't see a beta anytime soon. I'm working fulltime, and doing my modeling in snatches whenever I can.

[dsawan]

bump.:DL

[SilentOtto]

This looks so promising and beautiful... Sending some kudos and energy! :salute:

[iambecomelife]

Did some work on U-93 after getting home late... :stare:

The conning tower shape will be changed slightly to taper more towards the back. Torpedo tubes & net cutter will be added later. It's easier to texture the hull, then add torpedo tubes, than to do it the other way around. I practiced texturing the bow several days ago - results were very encouraging.

These were very pretty boats IMHO and effective war machines. Too bad you won't be getting your hands on one of them until 1917, when the war's practically lost.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/93-3.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/93-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/93-2.jpg

[Diablo2]

Looks great. :o

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

The Development program and improvements in the boats was remarkable considering all the other demands from the war on German industry, and the general atmosphere of increasing social and societal unrest. They achived a lot in such a short time on so many fronts. Looking very nice indeed.:Kaleun_Applaud:

[iambecomelife]

I've been doing more work on U-93 and a lot of work on uniforms. I'm trying to texture the uniforms so that the colors are acceptable for both interior lighting and environmental lighting - for example, when crew are on the bridge. Right now the textures for uniforms look too pale due to SH4's ambient light. Note how the Petty Officer's uniform is a strange sky blue, while the officer's tunic (inside the submarine) is a more natural color.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/AAofficer-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/aaPO01.jpg


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/aaPO02.jpg
On the plus side I've learned how to make cap badges & buttons luminescent at all angles; before, they were hard to see in the submarine interior.

There was a mod for SH4 with different post-process filters that were more suitable for an Atlantic environment. I can't find it. If anyone has it saved, let me know, please.

[Sepp von Ch.]

Oh ian... This is now the most important and most expected mod for me at all! When, when, when???:ahoy:

[dsawan]

probably this thread shd be a sticky or top of forum

[Sailor Steve]

probably this thread shd be a sticky or top of forum
If a thread recieves posts every day there is no need to sticky it. If every thread that somebody suggested actually were stickied, the new posts would start on page 3.

[iambecomelife]

probably this thread shd be a sticky or top of forum

Thanks but that's probably not a good idea. I often go for weeks without being able to post updates, so I wouldn't want to take up space that more active threads use.

No time for modeling this week, but I did create a loading screen about the most famous U-Boat incident of either world war. It's nice looking but mainly due to the talents of Ken Marschall (http://www.kenmarschall.com/)- not my own. :ping: It, and other loading screens with the Poseidon background, will be tested on Sunday, along with miscellaneous work on uniforms and the U-9 class. Don't expect screenshots but things are moving.

[dsawan]

just a thought. CFS @ and # sometimes post stickies of mods there.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Good to hear about the screens and the movement, thanks again for all the work. Happy Summer :)

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nice to see the ongoing progress here.

[iambecomelife]

Come to think of it, there will be some screenshots after all. A test-run of U-9, along with minor improvements to the uniforms...Now the officers have epaulettes. The fabric textures don't fade as badly in different environmental conditions.

The sub model is a bit low poly, and still needs some changes, such as German deck guns. I added rigging, and made the sensors like radar & hydrophone domes invisible. The parent unit is the "Porpoise" class.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Conning.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Hi-speed.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Lookout-01.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Sunset-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Lookout-03.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Lookout-02.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Underwater.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Still.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

:o

:D

:rock:

Lookin' mighty fine!

[Hitman]

:o

:D

:rock:

X2 :shucks:

[Sepp von Ch.]

Really great job ian!

[Chrisi078]

Sexy:woot:

[Sailor Steve]

Really great job ian!
His name isn't Ian.

[Sepp von Ch.]

Sorry iambecomelife:lurk:

[Herr_Pete]

what's the latest on this mod?

Pete