[WIP] Wolves of the Kaiser:1914-1918 Mod

[iambecomelife]

She looks beautiful in SH4. :up:

Yes; SH4 enabled me to use the huge, 16MB skin that I had designed for her originally. Much better than the SH3 one.

[iambecomelife]

Wow! That just looks amazing. You know how much I love the Great War period warships - just seeing that really made my day.

Did you get to read Robert Massie's Castles of Steel? The U-boat fleet really played a very important part in the Great War but at the start no one could predict it would be such a deadly and feared weapon. Old Forkbeard Tirpitz believed in it but many others thought that they were little more than toys. Of course - as you rightly are trying to simulate - the whole issue revolved around the use of standard Cruiser Rules for sinking merchant ships. And they didn't really know too much what would happen in U-boat vs warship combat until Weddigen sunk the three Cressys.

There's a lot of behind the scenes politicking going on during the war as Tirpitz and the fleet commanders want to push the limits of their weapon as it is the best - and often times the only (because the Hochseeflotte is 'shackled' to port by the Alle Hoch) way to strike back against the Allies. Like there would be times that the ships can undertake more unrestricted submarine warfare tactics and other times they'd be limited (the negotiations with Pres.Wilson would determine that subs could attack only such and such ships or that passenger vessels would absolutely not be attacked) or even withdrawn from the anti-merchant campaign altogether and employed offensively against the Grand Fleet. Indeed the standard Hochseeflotte strategy, harking back to their Jeune Ecole roots, was to try and weaken the Royal Navy strength as it sortied through mine barrages, ambushes of their light forces or catching their scouting heavy ships (ie. Beatty's Battlecruisers and any supporting battle squadron) in a trap with the German battlecruisers as bait and the battleships of the Hochseeflotte as the steel teeth, and of course with submarines which, happily for the Imperial Navy, were more potent than many traditionalists had imagined.

Hopefully as it grows and goes there will be expansions into the Mediterranean perhaps or the possibility to command light warships like small TBs?

Is there a mission editor guide for SH4? I'd like to check that out and perhaps in future I can come aboard as well!

All the best of luck with this project! It looks awesome =)

I really want to buy "Castles of Steel". :up: Might be good Spring Break reading.

I might add mini-mods to the main mod for the player to install depending on what year it was, so that early in the war you will be penalized for sinking passenger ships, while later on they will be legit targets and give you a huge renown bonus.

Also interesting that you mentioned the "Cressy" class - once I design and build better models of the armored cruisers, the engagement with U-9 & Weddigen is sure to be one of the single missions. In the campaign layers, the "live bait squadron" will spawn patrols of these ships until the date of their sinking.

One thing can't figure out is how many cruisers from the 7th Cruiser Squadron would have been on patrol at any given time. I know that Cressy (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/HMS_Cressy_(1899)), Aboukir (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/HMS_Aboukir_(1900)), Bacchante (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/HMS_Bacchante_(1901)), Euryalus (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/HMS_Euryalus) and Hogue (http://www.subsim.com/wiki/HMS_Hogue_(1900)) were all part of the squad, and that Euryalus should have been on patrol that day but lucked out. Perhaps a regular patrol of 3-4 ships would be sufficient.

[GlowwormGuy]

Ah, that's easy - and it's actually in Castles of Steel. The ships were manned by reservists and they were very old. Their main duty was to protect Channel shipping particularly the vital ships carrying men and materiel transiting the channel and as a bonus interdict any possible German merchant blockade runners and smaller ships off the Broad Fourteens but due to weather - this is very important in the book, it mentions how destroyers are sometimes forced back to base by turbulent North Sea weather while bigger ships take damage and burn up fuel - and mechanical issues - also very important! At any given date the Grand Fleet ships and patrolling forces might be reduced by 1 or more ships due to condenser problems, boiler retubing, even collission damage. Jellicoe's policy of constant patrolling took its toll on the ships and men but did maintain the distant blockade policy quite well! - the paper size of the squadrons at sea were difficult to maintain. So yes, 3-4 in rotation. Yes the HMS Euryalus should have been there but she had to return to port to refuel.

Best wishes,
Mountbatten

[iambecomelife]

Ah, that's easy - and it's actually in Castles of Steel. The ships were manned by reservists and they were very old. Their main duty was to protect Channel shipping particularly the vital ships carrying men and materiel transiting the channel and as a bonus interdict any possible German merchant blockade runners and smaller ships off the Broad Fourteens but due to weather - this is very important in the book, it mentions how destroyers are sometimes forced back to base by turbulent North Sea weather while bigger ships take damage and burn up fuel - and mechanical issues - also very important! At any given date the Grand Fleet ships and patrolling forces might be reduced by 1 or more ships due to condenser problems, boiler retubing, even collission damage. Jellicoe's policy of constant patrolling took its toll on the ships and men but did maintain the distant blockade policy quite well! - the paper size of the squadrons at sea were difficult to maintain. So yes, 3-4 in rotation. Yes the HMS Euryalus should have been there but she had to return to port to refuel.

Best wishes,
Mountbatten

Thanks a lot for the information. It reminds me of the sinking of the "Hampshire", where the Destroyers turned back in the storm and were unable to help the survivors after "Hampshire" was mined (although in that weather they might not have done much good).

Anyway, I have made minor changes to the "Invincible", mainly adding crewmembers and part of the secondary armament. The hit boxes & zon file have also been much improved.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-9-16.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-5-17.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-6-15.jpg

This evening I placed the model on land to simulate a shore target. The results were promising; after about one minute the hull stopped moving and no longer incurred damage from being placed on land. It should be easy to swap out ship parts for buildings and human figures - this means that bombarding airfields, supply dumps, and other facilities might be feasible.

[K.u.K Forever]

Possible Features
-Austro-Hungarian campaign with appropriate medals, ranks, & uniforms


Ooooo. I really hope you guys chose to include this!!! :D I'm drooling just thinking about it!

[OneDominatus]

Yes that would be awesome, but then you'd have to do Italy also as they were viewed as their main naval foe, when their Italians lands like Venice were taken by the Italians the Austrian navy took a significant blow as those lands provided the bulk of the navy.

Cheers
Dom

[GlowwormGuy]

I dont think I ever posted it up but one of my early projects was a 'Forcing the Dardanelles' mission. You got the whole kitten caboodle that De Robeck had and risked gunfire from the shore batteries and the danger of mines (in DC's case, these were submarines which couldn't move and fired torpedoes if you were close enough). My biggest problem though was the DC world is about 5-10% too small - I wasn't able to navigate the Dardanelles without running aground and even getting to the sea of Marmara was a pain in the butt because you'd hit ground somewhere. This was also limiting when I did scenarios simiulating the Vaagso raid and that also put any Yangtze River gunboat (Sand Pebbles hoorah!) scenarios out of the window.

I'm loving the idea of ships aground as bases. That's utterly brilliant!

Also the old Invincible is looking suuuweeeeet!

Mountbatten

[iambecomelife]

For all you WOTK fans, work continues. Not much to take screenshots of, but mostly research. I am trying to find out which flotilla would have had which U-Boats at a particular time; thanks to U-Boat.net it looks like I will be able to produce pretty accurate flotillas. Appropriate cap emblems & clothing for the different flotillas will be available as mini-mods that can be activated with the click of a mouse thru JSGME.

I have also been building an aircraft roster. Don't expect "Over Flanders Fields" - I just want a reasonable selection of planes & lighter-than air craft. Here's what I am considering so far:

ALLIED FIGHTERS

-Morane Bullet (1914-1916)
-Nieuport 17
-Sopwith Camel

ALLIED BOMBERS

-BE2
-FE2b
-Royal Aircraft Factory RE8
-Short Seaplane

ALLIED LIGHTER-THAN-AIR CRAFT

-British Airship
-British Barrage Balloon
-French Barrage Balloon

GERMAN FIGHTERS

-Fokker Eindecker
-Albatros DIII

GERMAN BOMBERS

-Halberstadt Two-seater

GERMAN LIGHTER-THAN-AIR CRAFT

-Zeppelin
-Drachen Barrage Balloon

[Turbografx]

iambecomelife, progress is great new. As far as aircraft are concerned, the guys at theaerodrome.com might be able to help you out with regards to anti-shipping/submarine aircraft.

[dcb]

For all you WOTK fans, work continues. Not much to take screenshots of

Great news IABL. No hurry, just take your time and do whatever you think is best. This grows into one helluva supermod:up:

[keltos01]

goodie !

k

[looney]

Should be more than enuf aircraft. I don't suspect that there where lots of Air defense against subs. Probably none.

How do you intend to set gyro angle (they didn't had a TDC)?

[iambecomelife]

Should be more than enuf aircraft. I don't suspect that there where lots of Air defense against subs. Probably none.

How do you intend to set gyro angle (they didn't had a TDC)?


When I was modding changes to the surface torpedoes mod I seem to recall data entries specifying the maximum gyro angle for torpedoes. It will be simple text editing to simulate WWI torpedoes that could only fire straight ahead, as well as variants that had only limited gyro > adjustment capabilities. I hope I am able to eliminate several superfluous pieces of equipment and perhaps replace them with additional food storage, etc. For instance, early boats didn't really have a hydrophone station and definitely had no radar, so I need to think of compartments/items to take their place.

In other news, work started on the U-66 class last night. Once again, it would not make sense to release screenies because of how early the work is at the moment, but I hope to keep you informed as the days go by. This model is being built from scratch due to the unique hull form; some of the smallm& medium sized UB - UC boats may be created with simple modifications to the hulls of WWII Type VII's, Type II's and Type IX's.

[iambecomelife]

Initial picture of the U-66 hull. This boat was roughly comparable with the Type VII's of the Kriegsmarine b/c it had four bow tubes and one stern tube. Because of the prominent "saddle tanks" I decided to create a hull from scratch, instead of basing it on a WWII vessel. The parts have been triangulated to avoid import problems with S3d Editor.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-1-16.jpg

[keltos01]

I love it !

I bought and played Die Schalen des Zorns when it came out but was always sad that the graphics and game engine lagged compared to SHIII/IV

looking forward to this !

keltos

[leadtail]

For all you WOTK fans, work continues. Not much to take screenshots of, but mostly research. I am trying to find out which flotilla would have had which U-Boats at a particular time; thanks to U-Boat.net it looks like I will be able to produce pretty accurate flotillas. Appropriate cap emblems & clothing for the different flotillas will be available as mini-mods that can be activated with the click of a mouse thru JSGME.

I have also been building an aircraft roster. Don't expect "Over Flanders Fields" - I just want a reasonable selection of planes & lighter-than air craft. Here's what I am considering so far:

ALLIED FIGHTERS

-Morane Bullet (1914-1916)
-Nieuport 17
-Sopwith Camel

ALLIED BOMBERS

-BE2
-FE2b
-Royal Aircraft Factory RE8
-Short Seaplane

ALLIED LIGHTER-THAN-AIR CRAFT

-British Airship
-British Barrage Balloon
-French Barrage Balloon

GERMAN FIGHTERS

-Fokker Eindecker
-Albatros DIII

GERMAN BOMBERS

-Halberstadt Two-seater

GERMAN LIGHTER-THAN-AIR CRAFT

-Zeppelin
-Drachen Barrage Balloon

Greetings!

I do 3d modeling for a flight sim called Targetware. It has a new version that is just in alpha at the moment, but I have many models from the first version of that game engine. I may be able to help you with most of these planes and also some other ships if you are interested. And as I see you also work with Wings3D I can provide the models in native wings format for an easier import on your part.

Here are some of the plane I could provide to you.
AGO CI
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/AGO_CI-wiki.jpg

PFALZ DXII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/pfalz-dxii-wiki.jpg

HP 400
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/hp400-wiki.jpg

Spad XIII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/spad_xiii-wiki.jpg

Spad VII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/spadvii-wiki.jpg

MS AI
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/MS_AI-wiki.jpg

HALB DII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/hlb-DII-wiki.jpg

HALD CL2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/halbcl2-wiki.jpg

Gotha GIV
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/gotha-wiki.jpg

AW FK8
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/fk8-wiki.jpg

Scout D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/ScoutD-wiki.jpg

Caudron G4
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/caudron-g4-wiki.jpg

N28
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/n28-wiki.jpg

N24
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/n24-wiki.jpg

N17Bis
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/n17bis_wiki.jpg

French Submarine Cuire (Also have the U14 captuered version of this) Oh and it has been painted since this pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/001.png

SS Risedale costal merchant
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/002.png

I can get better pics of the ship and sub in a few days. I can also knock out some airships rather quickly too, have all the info on them.

[iambecomelife]

Greetings!

I do 3d modeling for a flight sim called Targetware. It has a new version that is just in alpha at the moment, but I have many models from the first version of that game engine. I may be able to help you with most of these planes and also some other ships if you are interested. And as I see you also work with Wings3D I can provide the models in native wings format for an easier import on your part.

Here are some of the plane I could provide to you.
AGO CI
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/AGO_CI-wiki.jpg

PFALZ DXII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/pfalz-dxii-wiki.jpg

HP 400
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/hp400-wiki.jpg

Spad XIII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/spad_xiii-wiki.jpg

Spad VII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/spadvii-wiki.jpg

MS AI
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/MS_AI-wiki.jpg

HALB DII
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/hlb-DII-wiki.jpg

HALD CL2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/halbcl2-wiki.jpg

Gotha GIV
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/gotha-wiki.jpg

AW FK8
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/fk8-wiki.jpg

Scout D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/ScoutD-wiki.jpg

Caudron G4
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/caudron-g4-wiki.jpg

N28
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/n28-wiki.jpg

N24
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/n24-wiki.jpg

N17Bis
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/n17bis_wiki.jpg

French Submarine Cuire (Also have the U14 captuered version of this) Oh and it has been painted since this pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/001.png

SS Risedale costal merchant
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/002.png

I can get better pics of the ship and sub in a few days. I can also knock out some airships rather quickly too, have all the info on them.

Excellent! This really frees up a lot of my time - thank you so much.

One question: Are these models triangulated in obj format? I noticed that S3ditor usually cannot import models with quadrilaterals - all squares must be triangulated. This in turn often means that any model that has already been texture mapped must be redone - a very big inconvenience.

Anyway, thank you so much for your offer - I will be interested in any other airships & units that you can create.

[keltos01]

WOW !

beautiful aircrafts and sub !

:yeah:

getting better everyday !

keltos

[ReallyDedPoet]

Very nice work here :yep: I also have Shells of Fury, but after playing SH3 and 4, and the relative ease of jumping in and playing, plus the graphics, I could not get into it ( SOF ). Seemed clunky and outdated.

[leadtail]

Excellent! This really frees up a lot of my time - thank you so much.

One question: Are these models triangulated in obj format? I noticed that S3ditor usually cannot import models with quadrilaterals - all squares must be triangulated. This in turn often means that any model that has already been texture mapped must be redone - a very big inconvenience.

Anyway, thank you so much for your offer - I will be interested in any other airships & units that you can create.


All the models can be in anything you want as they are done in the same 3d app you use. I can provide them to you in the native wings3d file (for you to export into what ever file type you need) or as triangulated .obj files your choice.:salute:

[keltos01]

they need to be .obj to be imported in SH4 via S3D

they also need uv1 and uv2 (one is for textures 2 for Ambiant occlusion map)

and an occlusion map

regards

keltos

[leadtail]

Some better pics of the sub and ship.

SS Risedale Built 1912 Length: 142' Breadth: 24.1' Tonnage: 391 grt scrapped in 1952
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/3-4-view-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/side.jpg

Sub "Curie" Built 1912 Length 170' - 11" Breadth 17' - 9" (texture is only half done)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/3-4view.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/Front.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/back.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/sideview.jpg

U14 - captured "Curie" in Austrian-Hungarian navy service after refit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/Austro-side.jpg

And heres one that is most likely to high poly for the game. French Battleship Courbet 1911
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/leadtail/RS/3-4-view.jpg

So one texture map and one occlusion map for each model then. The planes have one 1024 x 1024 for the fuse and one 1024 x 1024 for the wings. Not a problem as the new Targetware engine requires the same single texture file so I have to remap them anyway. And again if I send you the native .wings file you can export it as an .obj as many time as you need to get them to work. Unless you really just want the .obj file.

[iambecomelife]

Those are absolutely gorgeous. The battleship just might work in SH4 - the HMS Invincible that I posted earlier is very high poly, and both SH3 and SH4 can handle it just fine. BTW, you have a private message from me.

[iambecomelife]

Updates on WWI uniforms. These will be available for the SH3 version of the mod if/when it's released; some components will be incorporated in SH4.

The coveralls worn by the enlisted men and one of the officers were officially described as "black", but both photographic evidence and paintings show that in reality they often had a grayish tone. Some work is still needed on items like buttons &c.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Off3.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Off2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Off1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-7-16.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-6-17.jpg


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-4-22.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-5-19.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-2-20.jpg


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-1-18.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-9-17.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/WWI%20Uniforms%20A/Untitled-8-16.jpg

[Turbografx]

All of those vessels look fantastic! Keep up the great work!

[linerkiller]

Magnificent work! Loved the new caps for the crew!:yeah:

[iambecomelife]

Thanks!

A few tests I ran of new figures & lifesaving craft to spawn when ships sink. Note the sailor using a life ring as a flotation device in some of the screenshots. I took the life ring from the original lifeboat mod and created a node to which I attached a human figure. The lifeboat is originally the one from SH4; eventually I will give it a better paint scheme and maybe oars, provisions, flares, and so on.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-13-9.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/LW-3.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/LW-4.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/LW-5.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/LW-6-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/LW-6.jpg

[keltos01]

incredible ! the french sub etc..

the uniforms...

bravo !

keltos

[AVGWarhawk]

I did not know you were making a version for SH3 and Sh4! Very cool. Looks great!

[tater]

Move the bridge back and the SS Risedale would be a good fill-in for deep sea trawlers in the PTO, actually.

http://members.spinn.net/~merrick/Stuff/fishing_vessels.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Here's the current situation:

Right now I am in DESPERATE need of more close-up conning tower shots for German submarines - particularly Mittel-U type boats. Profile drawings don't always give you a good idea of the 3d shape, so if you have any good conning tower views, step right up.

More good news - I just got permission from another modder to use his Sopwith Pup and Fokker D.VII. At this point the aircraft problem's all but solved. Although I might try to kitbash an R.E.8 or Fe2b just for fun.

I researched decorations last week - here's the order I have tentatively settled on:

Wound Badge
Iron Cross 2nd Class
Iron Cross 1st Class
Cross of the Royal House Order of Hohenzollern
Pour le Merite
Order of the Red Eagle

If your commander is from somewhere other than Prussia I will try to create minor medals for the smaller regions. However, these medals will have to be installed as separate mods at the beginning of your career, because IIRC there is a hard-coded six medal limit.

[Turbografx]

Here's the current situation:

Right now I am in DESPERATE need of more close-up conning tower shots for German submarines - particularly Mittel-U type boats. Profile drawings don't always give you a good idea of the 3d shape, so if you have any good conning tower views, step right up.

More good news - I just got permission from another modder to use his Sopwith Pup and Fokker D.VII. At this point the aircraft problem's all but solved. Although I might try to kitbash an R.E.8 or Fe2b just for fun.

I researched decorations last week - here's the order I have tentatively settled on:

Wound Badge
Iron Cross 2nd Class
Iron Cross 1st Class
Cross of the Royal House Order of Hohenzollern
Pour le Merite
Order of the Red Eagle

If your commander is from somewhere other than Prussia I will try to create minor medals for the smaller regions. However, these medals will have to be installed as separate mods at the beginning of your career, because IIRC there is a hard-coded six medal limit.


I have a book featuring some photographs of WWI subs, I will see If I can scan anything relevant over the weekend.

[iambecomelife]

I have a book featuring some photographs of WWI subs, I will see If I can scan anything relevant over the weekend.

Thanks - you're such a doll! :rotfl2:

Also, does anyone know which medal was considered more prestigious: the Blue Max or the Order of the Red Eagle?

I know there's a basis for awarding the Eagle because at least one front-line officer received it for combat achievments (The Red Baron). Hence, I imagine it could plausibly have been given to a truly great U-Boat captain. I just don't know if it should be awarded for greater achievments than the Max.

[rod_oil]

Also, does anyone know which medal was considered more prestigious: the Blue Max or the Order of the Red Eagle?

Pour Le'Merite was more... ahem... collective award than Rote Adler, sir.
Order of the Red Eagle was an order which can not be award to any person who were not-a-Prussians. Bavarians, Swabs etc. can't obtain it simply because they were born non-Prussians.

[iambecomelife]

Thanks, Rod_Oil. I might replace it with a different medal then.

Here's a screenshot of the Sopwith Pup I obtained permission to use. It may be a good starting point for the Sopwith Strutter & similar aircraft.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-20-5.jpg

[Lazarus905]

Do we get to listen to the sound of music soundtrack while sailing the U14?

[rod_oil]

Thanks, Rod_Oil.

Thank you also for all what you do for the community! :salute:

I might replace it with a different medal then.

BTW, sir, which awards will include this conversion?

[iambecomelife]

Thank you also for all what you do for the community! :salute:



BTW, sir, which awards will include this conversion?

Maybe this:

Wound Badge
Iron Cross 2nd Class
Iron Cross 1st Class
Cross of the Royal House Order of Hohenzollern
Pour le Merite
Pour le Merite w/Oak Leaves

[rod_oil]

Maybe this:

Wound Badge
Iron Cross 2nd Class
Iron Cross 1st Class
Cross of the Royal House Order of Hohenzollern
Pour le Merite
Pour le Merite w/Oak Leaves

I see. Excellent choice, sir!:up:
But, from my point of view, Order of The Crown (Kronenorden) can effectively replace Rote Adler Order:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Kroonorde_van_Pruissen_Grootofficier.jpg/317px-Kroonorde_van_Pruissen_Grootofficier.jpg

In this case order of obtaining should read as follow:

Wound Badge
Iron Cross 2nd Class
Iron Cross 1st Class
Order of The Crown
Cross of the Royal House Order of Hohenzollern
Pour le Merite

For example, famous WWI submarine ace Max Valentiner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Valentiner)was awarded with Order of the Crown 4th class.

[iambecomelife]

Thanks - I had actually never heard of that one.

Right now I am thinking about merging some of the extremely similar U-Boat classes into single classes, because of the hardcoded limit on the number of playable subs. I will only do this for submarines that had extremely similar dimensions, appearance, and performance characteristics. For instance, instead of the U-19 Class I may have the "U-19, U-23, and U-27 Series". As upgrades you will be able to select the correct equipment for your class, such as Germania Diesels or MAN Diesel engines.

[USS Sea Tiger]

Hello

Did you receive the 4 files emailed to you last week?
each was about 250 MB of items
2 are surface and sub s of the alliesmodels
a is the current version of my shiii
the third was air models and sud models

[iambecomelife]

Hello

Did you receive the 4 files emailed to you last week?
each was about 250 MB of items
2 are surface and sub s of the alliesmodels
a is the current version of my shiii
the third was air models and sud models

No; I didn't get them - please send me the link! I am really anxious to look at them.:DL

[Turbografx]

[QUOTE=iambecomelife;1336366]Thanks - you're such a doll! :rotfl2:


Hi iam,

Sorry, looking through the book there aren't any good shots of the mittel type conning towers. I have some UB shots though.

[iambecomelife]

[QUOTE=iambecomelife;1336366]Thanks - you're such a doll! :rotfl2:


Hi iam,

Sorry, looking through the book there aren't any good shots of the mittel type conning towers. I have some UB shots though.

Thanks; those will be helpful too.

Seatiger, my PM box has been cleared FYI.

[iambecomelife]

Size comparison for several of the ships created.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/sizecomp.jpg

British Destroyer parked next to a small collier. These units were created several months ago; I wish to have some new material to show eventually...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-5-19.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/collierdd.jpg

[iambecomelife]

This is a test of the node designed to launch boats from larger craft. At this point the boat is untextured and only contains one crewmember. Eventually, after a lot of work it will be used as the boat that brings the cargo manifest to your U-Boat. Of course, it could also be used as a Q-ship's "Panic Party" boat, designed to lure you into range of its guns...:ping:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/boatmen.jpg

[VonHesse]

:o

Wow. and wow, and wow.

Thanks for all the work you're doing on this. Been watching this thread for quite some time. Very exciting work you're doing. I can't wait to be a Wolf of the Kaiser. :salute:

[Karle94]

Nice work! I have found some nice 3d models og the Emden and Scharnhorst if you are interested.

[iambecomelife]

Nice work! I have found some nice 3d models og the Emden and Scharnhorst if you are interested.

Thanks but would the authors be willing to give permission for their use?

[Karle94]

The name of the autor(s) is not stated.
Here you have the links:

SMS Emden
http://www.many3d.com/download/warship/8604.html

SMS Scharnhorst
http://www.many3d.com/download/warship/8606.html

N.B. the website is in chinese.

Choose a number wich is the number of verteces the model have and write a code in the empty field and press the button with a lot of small squares.

[iambecomelife]

Very little work was done on the mod this weekend because I am racing to finish the Merchant Fleet Mod's release version.

However, there is some good news: Using the GWX team's Thames Estuary sea forts I managed to link destructible objects to a motionless parent object. In other words, destructible buildings & bombardment missions are clearly possible & will DEFINITELY be in as long as there's time!

http://subterrain.org.uk/maunsell/maunsell32.jpg

[brett25]

very nice work, sir. I am so getting SH4 when this is released!:salute:

[iambecomelife]

Yet another request for information: If anyone has information on German coastal forts from 1914-1918, please contact me. One particular model was doughnut - shaped, with guns protruding around the hole - unfortunately I don't remember the name or where they were installed. It would be nice for a player getting chased by DD's or armed trawlers to be able to seek refuge around them, IMO.

[Sailor Steve]

IABL, your PM box just filled up.:D

[iambecomelife]

I'm having final exams in a few days, so expect fewer updates & posts.

[keltos01]

thought I'd share :

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8281/f00201664aef1a0a5a64b.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/f00201664aef1a0a5a64b.jpg/)

don't have the link to the original anymore, sorry... :oops:

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1166/type25design.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/type25design.jpg/)



http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4263/warpenguin.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/warpenguin.jpg/)

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4847/ussleviathan.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/ussleviathan.jpg/)



http://www.alliancegeostrategique.org/2009/08/06/du-razzle-dazzle-au-navire-invisible/comment-page-1/

[rein1705]

:salute:i canna hardly wait till its ready!!:yeah:

[Hitman]

thought I'd share :

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8281/f00201664aef1a0a5a64b.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/f00201664aef1a0a5a64b.jpg/)

That's WW2 I'm afraid ;)

[keltos01]

:oops:

shame on me ! ;)

this one was posted by EzioAuditore (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=262863) he asks if anyone could build it ?

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6569/77184755.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/77184755.jpg/)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1232/hmsa13.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/hmsa13.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

The A class was the Royal Navy's first class of British-designed submarines. Thirteen were built by Vickers at Barrow-in-Furness between 1902 and 1905 as an improvement on the US Plunger class. While there was considerable variation amongst the boats of the class, they were around 100 ft (30 m) long and displaced around 200 tons when submerged. All of the class were propelled underwater by battery-powered electric motors and on the surface by shaft-drive Wolseley petrol engines of 400 bhp (A1), 450 bhp (A2-4) or 600 bhp (A5-12). A13 had an experimental 500 bhp (370 kW) Vickers diesel plant, which proved unreliable.

Armament was two 18 inch (45 cm) torpedo tubes with four torpedoes, except for A-1 which had 1 tube and 3 torpedoes.

The remainder were used during the First World War for harbour defence, A2 and A4 - A6 at Portsmouth, A8 and A9 at Devonport, and A10-A12 at Ardrossan. All survived the war and were converted to training in 1918 and sold in 1919-1920 except for A2 which was wrecked while awaiting disposal and finally sold in 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_class_submarine_%281903%29

keltos

[EzioAuditore]

:oops:

shame on me ! ;)

this one was posted by ... he asks if anyone could build it ?

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6569/77184755.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/77184755.jpg/)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1232/hmsa13.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/hmsa13.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

The A class was the Royal Navy's first class of British-designed submarines. Thirteen were built by Vickers at Barrow-in-Furness between 1902 and 1905 as an improvement on the US Plunger class. While there was considerable variation amongst the boats of the class, they were around 100 ft (30 m) long and displaced around 200 tons when submerged. All of the class were propelled underwater by battery-powered electric motors and on the surface by shaft-drive Wolseley petrol engines of 400 bhp (A1), 450 bhp (A2-4) or 600 bhp (A5-12). A13 had an experimental 500 bhp (370 kW) Vickers diesel plant, which proved unreliable.

Armament was two 18 inch (45 cm) torpedo tubes with four torpedoes, except for A-1 which had 1 tube and 3 torpedoes.

The remainder were used during the First World War for harbour defence, A2 and A4 - A6 at Portsmouth, A8 and A9 at Devonport, and A10-A12 at Ardrossan. All survived the war and were converted to training in 1918 and sold in 1919-1920 except for A2 which was wrecked while awaiting disposal and finally sold in 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_class_submarine_%281903%29

keltos

Yes Please add it i realy want to drive first "round"sub:p

[iambecomelife]

As always, thank you for the material. I'm still way too busy with exams to work on the mod. :nope:

[Deamon]

this one was posted by EzioAuditore (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=262863) he asks if anyone could build it ?

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6569/77184755.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/77184755.jpg/)


Nice shot! I am wondering if there are more to be found somewhere ?

I made the C class once for my own sim:

http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/heinrich/Media/Images/ForumPics/c-class%20almost%20finished.jpg

:)

Hey iam how's it going ?

[Reece]

WOW!! this would be so awesome if this comes to light!! I keep all my fingers crossed!!:yeah:

[cptroyce]

I agree.. as a WW1 aviation simmer and enthusiast...this would be fantastic!

Royce

[arnahud2]

I agree.. as a WW1 aviation simmer and enthusiast...this would be fantastic!

Royce

Something like "Rise of Flight" ? :03:


I made the C class once for my own sim:

http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/heinrich/Media/Images/ForumPics/c-class%20almost%20finished.jpg



Wow, what an awesome 3D Model !!! :yeah:
Is there any chance to see your work in our favourite sub simulator one day ?

[cptroyce]

arnahud2 - Actually Over Flanders Field (OFF)..of course Red Baron back in the day.

This WW1 sub sim would be awesome, graphically anyway..by the look of the little bit shown here.

Royce

[arnahud2]

@ cptroyce : in order to stay in WWI era and submarines, have you ever been told about "1914 - Shells of Fury" ?

It's a cheap but an interesting WWI sub simulation, which doesn't need a powerful computer.


PS : aaahhh...Red Baron 3D.....:yeah:

[cptroyce]

arnahud2 - Just checked out 1914- Shells of Fury..thanks for the heads up.


Royce

[keltos01]

the company that made shells of fury, which graphics aren't too good, neither the engine, wanted a 25 $ range game, and they were prettry sucessful to me !

I bought it in german, when it came out, as a way to support their company, Rondomedia, because I believe this is the kind of thinking that make the gaming industry progress.

I only played it twice :doh: ! I mod more than I play...

keltos

[Deamon]

Wow, what an awesome 3D Model !!! :yeah:
You haven't seen much yet :D

Is there any chance to see your work in our favourite sub simulator one day ?I don't think so, although i donated my U-Deutschland model to USS Sea Tigers mod. I may donate some more.

Moding was just never attractive enough to me, if it comes down to submarine warfare. It just doesn't offer to me all the possibilities that i need in order to give to this subject a tratment that i would like to see for it and that it would deserve.

There is still a way to go for us but i think we made a very promising start.http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABYAAAAUCAYAAAC JfM0wAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAAlwSFlzAAAK8AAACvABQ qw0mAAAAB90RVh0U29mdHdhcmUATWFjcm9tZWRpYSBGaXJld29 ya3MgOLVo0ngAAAAWdEVYdENyZWF0aW9uIFRpbWUAMDQvMDQvM DhrK9wWAAACLklEQVQ4jbXUP0wTcRQH8O/9ekdjkT8CUqpee00bRyNNmSRSV0PcJJoQg2i6ODTExEUHg04Oa NSppqtCjQ4ukDSKSuLUwcm4NNZcQYsIGtD+u/f7MZSWXltqo/Ul7/JL7u7z3r3fLye53e5xj8ejoYWRSCSSstfr1YLBYHcr4XA4rMmM Mciy3EoXjDHIjDEoivL/4fefrP1P3nYEvqzLajOIo8fQz5/cfH3cnVttCM8udQaODBxQFx44Ye9h4HxvdGWtgMlbSXV2SQoMH f0RNcGSJJlmvPLdos7fdyIWL+D5myx+ZwwUDAIRh2EU1wYRFIt A6FwvIjdcGJr4qFYakiSBlTavlABwsJth7mUWmSyBOAfnAkQE4 gKccxBx/MoYmHmcxuH+NgAwGQ03j3NeRjjnoGqcC/zcIgghAMBkNISJuKlbEy4EaKdoKerC5nNMxQdlgVx+t0siKhYQ ovwV1rbdtyoNxlhxxoqilBMA0uuES6Pt6NqP2hHsoDarhJuXD2 F5NV/uuJR1T4XLzvTJ25/VyHUnzgzba0YkKq6pdB4T00m47EyvPhU1M54asy3ee5o55bvwQ QWAr/PHMBfbQGhGrykCANqARZ8asy3+ccYjg/K3kcF9UQAYvrJ29dmrDUxHlnOxu72P+rpYrq5eFU39K649TCF0 tnPB0WdtCt2z48rQHIp+8XTHu9ET7alm0aY6fnFHjda98a/w3wZjDJLP5xv3+/1aK+F4PJ7cBm32CUNiyI2GAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC

[keltos01]

ever heard of Danger from the deep ? an opensource subsim in develloppement on the web ?

keltos

[Deamon]

Also from the perspective of a british campaign, i think the C and E classes are the most interesting, since they saw some action in the north sea, east sea and in the meds.

[Deamon]

ever heard of Danger from the deep ? an opensource subsim in develloppement on the web ?

keltos
Is this question directed to me ?

[keltos01]

Is this question directed to me ?
yes it was..

keltos

[Deamon]

Well,

yes i of course know this project.

[rein1705]

i canna wait:yeah::yeah::arrgh!:

[iambecomelife]

Just as a heads up, I will have some time in the upcoming weeks to work on the mod.

The lineup of submarines has been changed slightly - I will probably add the UB-III class because they are pretty similar in appearance and layout to the WWII type VII's. Both had the 4 bow - 1 stern TT configuration, and they both share a more rounded hull cross-section compared to the earlier WWI submarines.

I regret that I seemed to be jumping from one area of the mod to another, but I seem to work better that way, for some reason. Anyway, stay tuned.

[Capt. Morgan]

Found this scan
Austro-Hungarian Submarines in World War 1 (http://military-machine.blogspot.com/2010/05/austro-hungarian-submarines-in-world.html)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RDMDvzKT9yk/S-tpdw1arBI/AAAAAAAAPw8/3E9PO6p7iPY/s200/Austro-Hungarian+Submarines+in+World+War+1.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RDMDvzKT9yk/S-tpdw1arBI/AAAAAAAAPw8/3E9PO6p7iPY/s1600/Austro-Hungarian+Submarines+in+World+War+1.jpg)on the Military machine blog, thought you might find it intersting/usefull. Really looking forward to your mod.

[Reece]

Thanks for the heads up iambecomelife, I have SH4 with missions but not installed, tried it a few times but just don't like it, one of the worse problems is the subs buoyancy, damn subs almost fly and the crew kept appearing/disappearing, do you know if this has ever been fixed?:hmmm:
This mod will be the only reason for reinstalling SH4!:yep:
Thanks to you and the other modders for all the hard work.:up:

[cptroyce]

Just as a heads up, I will have some time in the upcoming weeks to work on the mod.

The lineup of submarines has been changed slightly - I will probably add the UB-III class because they are pretty similar in appearance and layout to the WWII type VII's. Both had the 4 bow - 1 stern TT configuration, and they both share a more rounded hull cross-section compared to the earlier WWI submarines.

I regret that I seemed to be jumping from one area of the mod to another, but I seem to work better that way, for some reason. Anyway, stay tuned.

Great news Iambecomelife..there is alot of interest in your project. I for one am looking forward to it!:yeah:

Royce

[Deamon]

Thanks, Capt. Morgane. I am quite interested in the KuK side of the u-boat warfare. I will include them one day in my project.

[Sepp von Ch.]

This can be for me the best mod ever! I´m looking forward.

[Admiral8Q]

This can be for me the best mod ever! I´m looking forward.
Same here. A WW1 mod would be really interesting!:rock:

[Reece]

I know it's silly but I keep checking this thread a few times a day!:oops:
Wishful thinking!:yep:

[iambecomelife]

I know it's silly but I keep checking this thread a few times a day!:oops:
Wishful thinking!:yep:

I will keep working as fast as possible!

There's some more good news - I found a large number of the 3d models that were going to be included in the "Project 25" WWI subsim (which was abandoned incomplete several years ago). I've been a huge admirer of JKLM's work, and it seems that even though he stopped work on his sim he continued to improve the ships & human figures that he had created. I won't be purchasing any of his 3d models, but the screenshots I've found offer valuable information about what several important WWI vessels (and the submarine U-88) looked like. This is a big help since sources like "Conway's" will usually only depict vessels in a black & white profile view.

BTW, thanks Capt. Morgan and everyone else who has posted links or illustrations.

[Reece]

Excellent news!:yep:

[iambecomelife]

I would like some information on an interesting tactic used by the British: apparently, several trawlers were converted as "mother ships" for small submarines, which were secured by cables to the surface vessel and remained underwater. As the U-Boat maneuvered to board the trawler, the British sub would launch an underwater torpedo attack. At least one U-Boat was sunk this way, and there may have been more. If anyone has details on what types of subs were used, diagrams, how many conversions were done, and what year the British began using this system, it would be most helpful.

[Butz]

That was part of the Q ship project, started in 1915. A trawler, having a telepehone connection to a british sub, who was attacked requested help by the sub. It was only mildly successful, for example sinking U40 in june 1915. Q boats (with and mostly without subs helping them) were responsible for sinking 14 German U-boats and damaging 60 more. In addition to that one british sub was mistaken and sunk by friendly fire. 27 (out of about 200) Q-boats were destroyed by German U-boats.
More infos can be found on http://www.gwpda.org/naval/rnqships.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship

In addition to that I can give you quite some construction plans of subs, mostly of the big U-Kreuzer class (U-Deutschland, U-139 and beyond), if you can use those. just send me a private message with your mail and I'll scan those plans once I find the time to.

[Madox58]

If you could use a few Air Ships from that era?
I'd be happy to do a few.
I do have a Submarine Scout nearly done.

[iambecomelife]

If you could use a few Air Ships from that era?
I'd be happy to do a few.
I do have a Submarine Scout nearly done.

Thank you so much. I have a stripped down version of the "K-Ship" on my HD that I was going to use as a parent for Zeps & British airships (if permission was granted). That would save a lot of work.

Thanks for your post, Butz - I'll contact you after I make some space in my box. :damn:

[Madox58]

I'd love to do some of the earlier Air Ships.
I live like 98 miles from Akron, Ohio.

Home of many Air Ships over the years.
I've even visited the Hangers there in the past.
(Most are gone now, sadly.)

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Airships were the eyes of the German High Seas Fleet, and a significant factor in operations. Airships would be a great additon esp if you could get a camera into one for some special missions.

good to see this continuing, :)

[iambecomelife]

Airships were the eyes of the German High Seas Fleet, and a significant factor in operations. Airships would be a great additon esp if you could get a camera into one for some special missions.

good to see this continuing, :)

I think it's technically possible to have them as a playable unit, although of course a detailed flight model wouldn't be included.

Interestingly, the K-Ships in SH3 seem to behave much more aggressively than other types of aircraft - IIRC they actually maneuver and try to dogfight enemy aircraft. There was some aerial combat in WWI between airplanes and airships, so if current airship AI is retained it could make for dramatic scenes if I manage to get this whole project completed.

[Deamon]

There's some more good news - I found a large number of the 3d models that were going to be included in the "Project 25" WWI subsim (which was abandoned incomplete several years ago). I've been a huge admirer of JKLM's work, and it seems that even though he stopped work on his sim he continued to improve the ships & human figures that he had created. I won't be purchasing any of his 3d models, but the screenshots I've found offer valuable information about what several important WWI vessels (and the submarine U-88) looked like. This is a big help since sources like "Conway's" will usually only depict vessels in a black & white profile view.
Oh is he still around ? Where is his work on display now ?

[GerritJ9]

If I'm not mistaken, the obsolete "C" class subs were used for the RN's trawler/sub project.

[Reece]

Interesting segment, can someone tell me the name of this movie::hmmm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybw_1mnawMc

[Deamon]

"Lusitania- Murder On The Atlantic"

And while you are at it also don't miss "Britannic"

[iambecomelife]

"Murder on the Atlantic" is actually the new background video for the SH4 interface, which I already released. Here's the interface mod, if you want to see it:

http://www.filefront.com/15552405/Wolves-of-the-Kaiser-Intro.7z/

Simply enable with JSGME, and uninstall when you get tired of it!

And thank you, JGerrit, for telling me what type of Brit sub to use.

By the way, the Merchant Fleet Mod has finally been released, so more efforts will be directed towards WOTK. At the moment, I am doing some in-depth reading on early German subs and Brit Armored Cruisers - Really want to play out the "Aboukir", "Cressy", and "Hogue" battle one of these days!

[Reece]

Thanks guys, going to see if I can buy a DVD!:yep:

[Reece]

At the moment, I am doing some in-depth reading on early German subs and Brit Armored Cruisers - Really want to play out the "Aboukir", "Cressy", and "Hogue" battle one of these days!
A very good book I recommend "From U-Boat to Pulpit" by Martin Niemoller, has some good battles, served on U3, Navigator U73, U39, first officer on U151, UC67 (later commanded). Also another insight is found in the book "Pastor Niemoller" by Dietmar Schmidt. Very good reading even you aren't a Christian and disregard that aspect.:yep:

[iambecomelife]

A very good book I recommend "From U-Boat to Pulpit" by Martin Niemoller, has some good battles, served on U3, Navigator U73, U39, first officer on U151, UC67 (later commanded). Also another insight is found in the book "Pastor Niemoller" by Dietmar Schmidt. Very good reading even you aren't a Christian and disregard that aspect.:yep:


Thanks for the tip.

Random question for the week: Does anyone know the gun distribution for light cruiser "HMS Pathfinder" after her last refit? The profile drawing in Conway's Fighting Ships and my internet sources only seem to show her some years before her sinking, when she didn't have 9 4" guns.

I really wish that Osprey would create more books on WWI ships, like cruisers & DD's - their materials on the Brit & German Battlecruisers have been most helpful. Too bad smaller WWI combatants aren't a popular research topic.

Thanks.

[Sailor Steve]

Random question for the week: Does anyone know the gun distribution for light cruiser "HMS Pathfinder" after her last refit? The profile drawing in Conway's Fighting Ships and my internet sources only seem to show her some years before her sinking, when she didn't have 9 4" guns.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by your last comment. Do you need the distribution for when she did have nine guns, or for when she didn't.

The only sources I know of are Jane's and Conway. I have an overhead drawing I made for my tabletop game, but I never got as far as upgrades or downgrades. what I have is all nine 4" guns. If that's the wrong one, sorry. If not, I'll be glad to send it to you.

[Reece]

Yes there is definitely info in "Jane's Fighting Ships of World War One (1919), Jane's Publishing Company" as Steve suggests, I am still searching, so far all I got is:
http://diverfiles.net-genie.co.uk/data/images/808_pathfinder.jpg
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/light-cruiser/pathfinder.jpg
http://wrecksite.eu/img/wrecks/pathfinder.jpghttp://wrecksite.eu/img/wrecks/pathfinder_layout.gif
http://wrecksite.eu/img/wrecks/path.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/HMS_Patrol.jpg
Did you see here, quite a few pictures: http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/pathfinder_class.htm#HMS%20Pathfinder
Interesting: http://www.wrecksite.eu/doc/wrecks/the_destruction_of_hms_pathfinder.pdf

[iambecomelife]

Thanks for the pictures. It's a bit hard for me to estimate the size of the guns based on the pictures, especially around her midships area which was cluttered.

I saw that line drawing earlier and I think it's her original configuration, when she had a mixed armament of 12 12-pdrs (shown in the drawing) and 6 3pdrs (not shown).

I love the bigger pictures , Reece - it's interesting to see she had ventilators (which were probably removed right before the war b/c of splinter hazard). She changed quite a bit in appearance.

Anyway, thanks for the help - I wasn't even expecting a response! And Steve, thanks for the offer - you can send me the pic or just describe the layout. :up:

EDIT: I just read the report - very interesting, and it happens to prove she still had 6 pdrs on board at the time of her loss.

[iambecomelife]

Well, after much travail I have a model of U-66 almost ready, except for rigging, masts, and some other details. These were a class of boats designed for Austria that ended up being taken over by the Kaiserliche Marine. They were roughly similar to the Type VII in terms of armament and speed, so I imagine they will be popular with players who are used to a WWII setting.

It is a triangulated OBJ file, so I don't anticipate any problems with S3ditor importation. I will see if I can start skinning it tomorrow. My fingers are crossed - I worked hard to make the model amenable to detailed skins!

I've been thinking about placing a static crewmember in the steering position on the conning tower, complete with a trigger that will make him invisible when the sub is submerged - let me know if you have any strong feelings either way about this.

[Sailor Steve]

These are the pictures I made years ago for my WWI tabletop miniatures game. I used Jane's and Conway, plus some other sources I found at libraries and would have to dig my notes out of storage to remember what they were.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/GemandPathfinder.jpg?t=1277187870

On the right is Pathfinder as I drew her with the nine 4" guns. On the left is my picture of the 'Gem' (Amethyst) class, which mounted 12 4"/40s. It looks an awful lot like the layout of the 'P' class in the drawing found by Reece. It has me wondering if someone somewhere didn't make a mistake back in the day. Sometimes over the years I have hated the dearth of positive information available.

[edit] On the other hand this photo

http://wrecksite.eu/img/wrecks/path.jpg

is clearly Pathfinder's layout, and shows the gun on the bow. Sources say this class had 9 guns, but the contemporary drawing clearly has 12. I did update pages on the ships I worked on, and have three different models for Dreadnought, but I never got past the 'As Launched' stage for these early cruisers.

[Reece]

I've been thinking about placing a static crewmember in the steering position on the conning tower, complete with a trigger that will make him invisible when the sub is submerged - let me know if you have any strong feelings either way about this.
That is a hard one without seeing it, seems like a lot of work, maybe it can be left till after the release,:hmmm: would have a better idea then.:yep: Certainly not a game breaker IMO.:DL

[Reece]

Any progress on this IABL?:hmmm: not pushing just very interested!:yep:

[iambecomelife]

Yes! I finally got the hull model for a WWI sub in-game (for the Silent Hunter 3 version). Now that I have SH4 reinstalled I hope to import it into that game as well. The game CTD's after I map the textures, but I am sure this can be solved. For now, pictures of the U-66 model (still WIP):

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U66-ProgressScreenie2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U66-ProgressScreenie1.jpg

[Reece]

Wow! coming along very nicely indeed!:yeah: Doesn't look like a 2 second job either! a definite "labor of love"!:hmmm:

[keltos01]

Yes! I finally got the hull model for a WWI sub in-game (for the Silent Hunter 3 version). Now that I have SH4 reinstalled I hope to import it into that game as well. The game CTD's after I map the textures, but I am sure this can be solved. For now, pictures of the U-66 model (still WIP):

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U66-ProgressScreenie2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U66-ProgressScreenie1.jpg


it's coming along nicely !

but you are making it for SHIII or SHIV ? I mean I know you posted pictures of it in SHIII here on the thread, with uniforms and all, but you intend to sport it to SHIV right ?

regards

keltos

[Reece]

95% Sure it's SH4.:yep: Now that I have SH4 reinstalled I hope to import it into that game as wellBut then he did say:
I am very flexible regarding the platform - almost everything I want to do can be done in SH3 as well. However, I like the better human figures, terrain, and other features of SH4.But still sure its SH4
The Campaigns (mis files) are very much different though, that alone is a big job, probably SH3 would be easier but SH4 graphics is nicer, maybe he could post a vote to see how many prefer what engine! Or we just wait to see what evolves.

[keltos01]

Yattaaaaa !!!!!

[iambecomelife]

Well, it turns out that SH3 hates the U66 model and has started CTD'ing out of the blue.

However, the good news is that I have restarted the submarine using the Type IX model from SH4. I squeezed in the top of the Type IX hull to give it the old-fashioned saddle-tank look you see on many WWI submarines, including U66.

I am straightening the bow at the moment, which is an extremely simple task. Afterwards I will import the U66 conning tower I created and see how she looks in SH4!

As for platforms, I will probably use SH4 as long as it is possible to modify the coastline and buildings easily. I noticed severe problems with parts of the European coast in stock SH4; in particular, hillsides that disappear into thin air. I hope that these problems have been fixed (or can be fixed with existing mod tools).

[Karle94]

I have found a realy nice 3d model of the Derfflinger. If you`re interested here`s the link:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=edbf6063121af8bfc2912ef1a1302821&prevstart=0

[Reece]

@ IABL, bit of a shame about U66 having problems with your model in SH3! an annoying waste of time and effort!!:oops::cry:
I'm glad that the sh4 IX model seems ok, might have to post a thread in the sh4 forum section there concerning the coastlines, like you say it may have been resolved!:yep:

[iambecomelife]

@ IABL, bit of a shame about U66 having problems with your model in SH3! an annoying waste of time and effort!!:oops::cry:
I'm glad that the sh4 IX model seems ok, might have to post a thread in the sh4 forum section there concerning the coastlines, like you say it may have been resolved!:yep:

I just found out that the problem with the model was most likely just an error with the available ship types (I had stripped SH3 of all vessels except for the ones that served in WWI - hence, CTD's when the game called for modern ships).

I successfully got the U-35 from "Shells of Fury" to appear; now I hope to try using my own subs. :rock: IIRC the SOF team never responded to our request to use their models, so I will only use them as a last resort.

Thanks for the link, Karle94.

[theschell]

Just wanted to say hello... been a long time... i've been kept busy with comp probs and work on getting my own webstore and site started... i wasn't sure if you were interested or not... but my line of ww1 ships also included a gunnery observation balloon which would have been towed above the ships for shot-fall observation and spotting (aka a "kite balloon")... it's with my other stuff on sharecg... if you would like to make use of it let me know:)

[rein1705]

i'd like to try out one of your wwI ships fore sure! :D:yep:

[WWII44]

Maybe yo could make a single mission where you can renact the sinking of the Lusitania?

[Reece]

Hmm, been awhile IABL, any more news?:D

[iambecomelife]

To everyone who is interested, right now I am in more of a research phase, so there is not much interesting to show.

Most importantly, I want to admit that SH4 still is not confirmed to be the platform - especially since I resolved a major issue with SH3's land textures. Initially, only SH4 could support the huge photo-based land textures I wanted to use (SH3 would crash), but I just managed to do it successfully.

Another issue is how badly rendered much of Europe's coast is in SH4 - it was apparently neglected, being a Pacific sim and all. There are whole areas in France etc where mountains are transparent - a very big immersion killer if so much of the action takes place in the Atlantic.

If a decision is made to change platforms you will obviously be notified.

In terms of models, more work has been done on the pre-dreadnought "Majestic", the U-66, and the cruiser "Ariadne". More details later.

[iambecomelife]

Maybe yo could make a single mission where you can renact the sinking of the Lusitania?

Yes; this will definitely be a single mission. Off the top of my head, here are the missions I want to include:

-Hersing's attack on "HMS Pathfinder" in 1914

-The sinking of "Aboukir", "Cressy", and "Hogue"

-The "Lusitania" vs U-20

-The attack on "HMS Majestic"

-Otto Weddigen's last battle, when he was rammed by "Dreadnought"

-The sinking of the "Danton"

-UB-116's raid on Scapa Flow (she was sunk without doing any damage, unlike U-47 in 1939)

-An ahistorical mission where the U-Boats take on German battleships in 1918, during the High Seas Fleet mutiny (they did have orders to torpedo them, if necessary, at the time)

[Reece]

To everyone who is interested, right now I am in more of a research phase, so there is not much interesting to show.

Most importantly, I want to admit that SH4 still is not confirmed to be the platform - especially since I resolved a major issue with SH3's land textures. Initially, only SH4 could support the huge photo-based land textures I wanted to use (SH3 would crash), but I just managed to do it successfully.

Another issue is how badly rendered much of Europe's coast is in SH4 - it was apparently neglected, being a Pacific sim and all. There are whole areas in France etc where mountains are transparent - a very big immersion killer if so much of the action takes place in the Atlantic.

If a decision is made to change platforms you will obviously be notified.

In terms of models, more work has been done on the pre-dreadnought "Majestic", the U-66, and the cruiser "Ariadne". More details later.Out of the 2 sims I would rather SHIII,:yep: but either way I would be ecstatic to be able to play a WW1 sim!:yeah: Haven't given up hope!:D
Cheers.

[rsslcs]

Quick question:

If this mod stays for SH4, will there be damage textures included? (i.e holes in the hull) and will ships be able to break up like in the vanilla game? Just asking, as some mods forgo this. :salute:

[Forensicman101]

Sh3 is a better game that SH4, but there are problems with SH3 stability in Vista. Now that Windows 7 is growing like a rash, I suggest you go for whichever of the two is most stable using that operating system - otherwise there's the danger that all your hard work will be for a game that only runs on an old & increasingly infrequently used operating system.

[RadioStriker]

Hello IABL!

I'm very interested in this project. Have not done any modeling of the sort I see in this thread, but am pretty comfortable messing with code. Willing to learn use of these shipbuilding tools. Recently retired, I have plenty of time to donate. I was more of a hardware, training, and documentation writer at H-P, but did some code, and a lot of code testing. "If it is breakable, Mack will break it..."

RadioStriker

[Bubblehead1980]

Hows this mod coming along? looking forward to it

[Stary Wuj]

Very interesting and good idea!

Thank You!

With best Regards

Stary Wuj

[Chrisi078]

If the mod the RMS Lusitania and the Titanic's sister ship HMS Britannic? And what% is the mod finished ps Cool mod:arrgh!:
Anhören
Umschrift

[iambecomelife]

Hows this mod coming along? looking forward to it

I am redoing U-66 as a kitbash of the Type IXD2 hull. The conning tower, however, is still built from scratch. It looks a lot better but I want to have lots of progress before posting again.

[iambecomelife]

If the mod the RMS Lusitania and the Titanic's sister ship HMS Britannic? And what% is the mod finished ps Cool mod:arrgh!:
Anhören
Umschrift

The mod is still in its very early stages - only about 10% complete.

I will try to do famous liners like the "Olympic", "Britannic", "Lusitania", and "Mauretania". However, two and three funneled liners are the top priority, simply because they were more common. Still, I agree that seeing one of these famous ships would be very dramatic.

I still need good profile drawings for some of them - there are lots of plans of the "Titanic", but not many of the "Olympic" after she was re-equipped with enough lifeboats circa 1912-1913.

And thanks for offering to help, radiostryker - I will contact you soon.

[Chrisi078]

Good luck :yeah:

[OneDominatus]

Good luck :yeah:

Yes good luck very much indeed :salute: This mod will be a modding masterpiece when it comes out :rock:

[iambecomelife]

Well, I put down Napoleon: Total War, & in the past few days a lot has gotten done. German officers' uniforms are coming along very well. The lower ranks' uniforms should also be completed soon.

I also worked on the basic hull form for boats like the U-9 and the U-19 class. I wasn't satisfied with the hullform I designed from the keel up, so I will probably use a heavily modified Type VII hull. The bulges along the side of the hull have been deleted and replaced with the long, flush "saddle tanks" that you see on many early boats.

[iambecomelife]

WIP pics of the officers' uniform. An overcoat and peaked cap, with the Kaiserliche Marine crowned emblem over the brim.

The fleet boat interior, Pacific maps, and so on will be altered once I have the time.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-22-11.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/progress1.jpg

WIP of the hull that will be used for early submarines, such as the U-19 and U-27 classes. It was made by taking apart & deforming an American "S" boat from SH4. The texture is an interim skin based on the SH3 War Ace Campaign S class skin.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-21-7.jpg

[Bubblehead1980]

nice work on the uniforms

[keltos01]

I like the sub ! early japanese RO types clearly ressembled the S-18 type too.

keltos

[Chrisi078]

Cool, Mod for Silent Hunter 3 or 4?how long are you working on the mod?

[Hitman]

The fleet boat interior, Pacific maps, and so on will be altered once I have the time.


But aren't you going to modify the german side? Wouldn't that be easier??

[iambecomelife]

But aren't you going to modify the german side? Wouldn't that be easier??

The S Boat interior is best suited for WWI U-Boats due to its smaller size (although I happened to use the Salmon class for those screenshots). There is an OM Type II interior but it's not my work & I don't want to rely too much on other modders' stuff.

[iambecomelife]

Quick question:

If this mod stays for SH4, will there be damage textures included? (i.e holes in the hull) and will ships be able to break up like in the vanilla game? Just asking, as some mods forgo this. :salute:

I am designing new merchant ships for the mod. I will be experimenting with destructible hull plates & 3d cargo holds so that you can see cargo/furniture/rooms inside the ships when they are torpedoed. Ideally, there will also be more hull sections too, so you can blow off the tip of the ship's bow/stern and still have it float. However, these features are not guaranteed to make it in.

[dyshman]

some days ago i'he start creating one more submarine. its Type UB-II. sub is not completed yet. WIP as we talks) there is one pic. some detailes need to be corrected and added.
http://i051.radikal.ru/1010/4f/f2af9f5908ff.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
i want to ask, is it need to to your project? may i take part in creating it?

[iambecomelife]

some days ago i'he start creating one more submarine. its Type UB-II. sub is not completed yet. WIP as we talks) there is one pic. some detailes need to be corrected and added.
http://i051.radikal.ru/1010/4f/f2af9f5908ff.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
i want to ask, is it need to to your project? may i take part in creating it?

Nice work! I would definitely be interested in having it as part of the mod. Let me know if you can create other submarines. Right now I am working on the U-19 class (the type that sank the "Lusitania") and the U-66 class.

[Hitman]

The S Boat interior is best suited for WWI U-Boats due to its smaller size (although I happened to use the Salmon class for those screenshots). There is an OM Type II interior but it's not my work & I don't want to rely too much on other modders' stuff.

Ah, I see ...

but anyway I think you can use US subs interior in german uboats :hmmm:

[iambecomelife]

Ah, I see ...

but anyway I think you can use US subs interior in german uboats :hmmm:

That makes sense. I may well try that. My main objectives for interiors are to delete obviously modern equipment, like radar, change the paint schemes, and add miscellaneous objects (maps, pinups, posters) appropriate for WWI Germany. The interiors of WWI U-Boats were surprisingly similar to some WWII boats, and I do not have enough sources to create photorealistic interiors of the different models.

[keltos01]

That makes sense. I may well try that. My main objectives for interiors are to delete obviously modern equipment, like radar, change the paint schemes, and add miscellaneous objects (maps, pinups, posters) appropriate for WWI Germany. The interiors of WWI U-Boats were surprisingly similar to some WWII boats, and I do not have enough sources to create photorealistic interiors of the different models.


I have the 1933 movie "Morgenrot" filmed in 1933 it is a precursor to Das Boot, filmed in a WWI uboot in norway much like they did for Das Boot.

storyline is much 1933 but there are a lot of interior views

keltos

[iambecomelife]

I have the 1933 movie "Morgenrot" filmed in 1933 it is a precursor to Das Boot, filmed in a WWI uboot in norway much like they did for Das Boot.

storyline is much 1933 but there are a lot of interior views

keltos

Do you have any stills of this movie?

Also, in your opinion are the costumes and interior historically accurate? I was very disappointed to see that the recent Lusitania film used a Type VII model from WWII to represent the U-20. :nope:

[keltos01]

Do you have any stills of this movie?

Also, in your opinion are the costumes and interior historically accurate? I was very disappointed to see that the recent Lusitania film used a Type VII model from WWII to represent the U-20. :nope:


I can take some

go see :

As a film concerned with U-boat warfare during the world conflict, "Morgenrot" ("Dawn"), a German-language picture with superimposed subtitles in English which is now at the Little Carnegie Playhouse, is in a class by itself. It is far and away the most realistic offering of its kind, and the scenes are beautifully photographed, with a compelling and true conception of the North Sea. In fact it is produced so effectively that it seems like a graphic account of the actual exploits of a submarine and not a story pictured years after hostilities ceased...

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9506E4DA1F3EE333A25755C1A9639C946294D6C F

keltos

[keltos01]

I have seen some pictures of interiors of WW1 submarines, and the Type II is quite similar -very cramped and with the "oldest" look of all. You should be able to create a good generic interior for all U-Boats using just the Type II :yep:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4337/morgenrotcover3.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/morgenrotcover3.jpg/)


http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1130/morgenrotcover2.jpg (http://img403.imageshack.us/i/morgenrotcover2.jpg/)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/290/morgenrotcover4.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/morgenrotcover4.jpg/)


I can post pictures of "Morgenrot", a 1933 movie filmed in a WWI Uboot, kindo a good early Das Boot.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155091&page=7

keltos

[Reece]

The VII is 67mts and IIA were 40mts, bearing that in mind I have a book that lists all the WW1 U-boats including lengths:
U5 - U8, U9 - U12, U13 - U15: 57mts
U17 - U18: 62mts
U19 - U22, U23 -U26, U127 - U30: 64mts (Walter Schwieger - U20)
U43 - U50: 65mts
U57 - U59, U60 - U62: 67mts
U63 - U65: 68mts
U66 - U70 (UD): 69mts
U71 - U80 (UE): 56mts
U81 - U86: 70mts
U87 - U92: 65mts
U93 - U98: 71mts
U99 - U104: 65mts
U105 - U110, U111 - U114: 71mts
U117 - U126: 81mts
U135 - U136: 83mts
U138 - U142: 92mts
U151 - U157: 65mts
U160 - U165: 71mts
UA: 46mts
UB1 - UB17: 28mts
UB18 - UB29: 36mts
UB30 - UB41, UB42 - UB47: 37mts
UB48 - UB53, UB54 - UB59, UB60 - UB65, UB66 - UB71, UB72 - UB74, UB75 - UB79, UB80 - UB87 UB88 - UB102, UB103 - UB117: 55mts
UB118 - UB132, UB142, UB143, UB148, UB149: 55mts
UC1 - UC10, UC11 - UC15: 33mts
UC16 - UC24: 52mts
UC25 - UC33: 51mts
UC34 - UC39: 53mts
UC40 - UC45, UC46 - UC48: 51mts
UC49 - UC54, UC55 - UC60: 52mts
UC61 - UC64: 51mts
UC65 - UC73: 53mts
UC74 - UC79: 52mts
UC90 - UC105: 56mts
The VII would be just as important as the Type II IMO!:yep:

[iambecomelife]

The VII is 67mts and IIA were 40mts, bearing that in mind I have a book that lists all the WW1 U-boats including lengths:
U5 - U8, U9 - U12, U13 - U15: 57mts
U17 - U18: 62mts
U19 - U22, U23 -U26, U127 - U30: 64mts (Walter Schwieger - U20)
U43 - U50: 65mts
U57 - U59, U60 - U62: 67mts
U63 - U65: 68mts
U66 - U70 (UD): 69mts
U71 - U80 (UE): 56mts
U81 - U86: 70mts
U87 - U92: 65mts
U93 - U98: 71mts
U99 - U104: 65mts
U105 - U110, U111 - U114: 71mts
U117 - U126: 81mts
U135 - U136: 83mts
U138 - U142: 92mts
U151 - U157: 65mts
U160 - U165: 71mts
UA: 46mts
UB1 - UB17: 28mts
UB18 - UB29: 36mts
UB30 - UB41, UB42 - UB47: 37mts
UB48 - UB53, UB54 - UB59, UB60 - UB65, UB66 - UB71, UB72 - UB74, UB75 - UB79, UB80 - UB87 UB88 - UB102, UB103 - UB117: 55mts
UB118 - UB132, UB142, UB143, UB148, UB149: 55mts
UC1 - UC10, UC11 - UC15: 33mts
UC16 - UC24: 52mts
UC25 - UC33: 51mts
UC34 - UC39: 53mts
UC40 - UC45, UC46 - UC48: 51mts
UC49 - UC54, UC55 - UC60: 52mts
UC61 - UC64: 51mts
UC65 - UC73: 53mts
UC74 - UC79: 52mts
UC90 - UC105: 56mts
The VII would be just as important as the Type II IMO!:yep:

What's the title of this book, and does it have any line drawings or photographs?


Thanks for the information, guys, and the photographs. I may try to locate a copy of this movie on amazon-it looks surprisingly good (I see that the sub seems to have two torpedo tubes per compartment, which was very common for early U-Boats.)

[Reece]

What's the title of this book, and does it have any line drawings or photographs?The book is:
The Encyclopedia of U-Boats - From 1904 to the Present
Plenty of photos for virtually every boat but only line drawings for the following:
U16, U31 -U37, U93 - U98, U139 - U141, U151 - U154, UA, UB111 (UB66 - UB71), UC49.
Have a flatbed scanner if you require anything.

[keltos01]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8384/3296090.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/3296090.jpg/)

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2525/3298258.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/i/3298258.jpg/)


http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3296090


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0024352/

[keltos01]

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7521/ivivosnap203736.png (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/ivivosnap203736.png/)


http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6859/ivivosnap204235.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/ivivosnap204235.png/)


Morgenrot on youtube :

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZVPDpGnj2I

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpxiZ0E3hN4

part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HcvOMm8r-o&feature=related

part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKpjSwLqFfQ&feature=related


now if anyone could find me the english subtitles for the movie... :)

keltos

[Hitman]

The interiors of WWI U-Boats were surprisingly similar to some WWII boats, and I do not have enough sources to create photorealistic interiors of the different models.

Not surprisingly ... WW2 germany had had little time to develop their uboat arm, so the main improvements were in communications (radio) and some details. Otherwise, the Type VII (backbone of the UBoatwaffe) was strongly based in the UB-III of WW1. In fact, there are some pics of UB-III subs where you can easily mistake them for Type VIIs of WW2!

I have some interior pics of german WW1 UBoats, I will dig my archives for them, but probably the most correct interior to start with would be the Type II german submarine: Cramped and small :hmmm:

Look here: http://www.ub88.org/

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I am very glad to see this project continuing.....and flourishing from what i see, such great work and a very historically interesting period..and hopefully if there is a chance we can have surface units that are not available in any other sim...due to the hard work and dedication here.

Actually tho there may not have been as much overall development in the U boot arm in WWII due to the exigencies and demands of the war and supply and demand problems.... and there for the force having to keep building what worked without making major design changes there WERE A lot of changes each month, week and day, from what i have read in letters from my cousins who were U boat skippers, each time they came back to port there were new things to learn or try or have to have installed...they said their boats felt like labs for the boffins.... and were concerned that they were keep getting given things to try that were so new..

but back to the topic, this is such a great mod, please keep going.

[iambecomelife]

Farmland textures constructed from an aerial photo.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-10-13.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-11-11.jpg

Work on the U-19 Class submarine.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-8-19.jpg

A successful test of the hull. Obviously a lot of work remains with the conning tower, gun, and hullform.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-9-21.jpg

[Chrisi078]

WOW Cool:up:ww1 Boot:arrgh!:

[Reece]

Looking very nice IABL!:yep: But as you say, a lot of work!!:doh:

[iambecomelife]

The "sail" has finally been textured; every submarine looks naked without one, IMHO... At the time of her loss, U-20 (and perhaps the other U-19 class boats) had had modifications done to the conning tower. Hence the difference between the line drawing and the model. I wish there were more photographs of these upgrades!

The tower is skinned in such a way that emblems and identification numbers can be painted on symmetrically. I wonder if it's possible to have the different paint schemes available as upgrades, so that you can select the correct hull number for the boat that you are assigned to.

Also note that the two extra bow tubes have been concealed (this was originally one of the Silent Hunter 5 AI submarines).

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-x9.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Untitled-x8.jpg

[iambecomelife]

WIP of the 6-inch gun Diadem Class British cruiser:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Ariadne1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Ariadne2.jpg

[cptroyce]

IABL- Found this excellent site re the Kreigsmarine. Lots of information and photos of early/WW1 ships, uniforms etc. Could provide something of interest for your long awaited Wolves of the Kaiser:1914-1918 Mod !

It's in German but not too difficult to figure out.


http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/

Royce

[iambecomelife]

IABL- Found this excellent site re the Kreigsmarine. Lots of information and photos of early/WW1 ships, uniforms etc. Could provide something of interest for your long awaited Wolves of the Kaiser:1914-1918 Mod !

It's in German but not too difficult to figure out.


http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/

Royce

Thanks for the link; I did not know of that site. Although it mainly seems to deal with the Austrian Kriegsmarine, it's still very interesting.

[Sailor Steve]

Looking better all the time! :rock:

Love that land texture. :yeah:

[iambecomelife]

I took a little break from modding the subs to experiment with 2d graphics. Here's a WIP arrangement for the game interface that I put together. I find that the default SH4 menus have way too much of a sparse, "modern" feel to them, so these figures are designed to give more of a retro ambience. In between 3d modeling I guess I'll be hunting for more medals, statues, & so on...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/vanity.jpg

[Reece]

Now that should change the whole feel of the game from start! I like it!:up:
Next will be finding some old music!:hmmm:

[cptroyce]

Beautiful!!

I was hoping that when I put the cursor over that terrific interface art, it would turn into a pointer and I would be taken to a d/l link...hopefully for those of us who are WW1 buffs it'll be sooner then later. Keep up the great work. :up:

Royce

[andycaccia]

Really beautiful!!
One of the best supermods ever to date!!!

[RadioStriker]

I've been traveling and was happy to see new progress when I looked here.

[Forensicman101]

Am I right in thinking that WW1 torpedoes were fired without any gyro-angle (i.e. straight ahead)? That would make life very interesting. Any idea when this mod will be available?

[Mescator]

Am I right in thinking that WW1 torpedoes were fired without any gyro-angle (i.e. straight ahead)? That would make life very interesting. Any idea when this mod will be available?

I could be wrong but i believe they do have a Gyro angle. That was implemented very early in the development of Torps to make it a more effective weapon caus moving the entire boat is slow and unwieldy. The Mk 10 at least has Gyro angles.

[iambecomelife]

Am I right in thinking that WW1 torpedoes were fired without any gyro-angle (i.e. straight ahead)? That would make life very interesting. Any idea when this mod will be available?

Some very early models had no gyro angle but most German torpedoes were capable of a maximum 90 degree deviation from the sub's base course.

British torpedoes were inferior and may not have had this capability, but I'm not sure.

Regarding completion, expect at least another year and a half of development, during which time the mod may be moved to Silent Hunter 5 (depending on how moddable that game turns out to be). Sit back and get yourself some popcorn or coffee in the meantime.

[Gerald]

Some very early models had no gyro angle but most German torpedoes were capable of a maximum 90 degree deviation from the sub's base course.

British torpedoes were inferior and may not have had this capability, but I'm not sure.

Regarding completion, expect at least another year and a half of development, during which time the mod may be moved to Silent Hunter 5 (depending on how moddable that game turns out to be). Sit back and get yourself some popcorn or coffee in the meantime. :up:

[Forensicman101]

SH5?
Oh dear....

[iambecomelife]

Potential menu and/or startup screens for the mod - of course, subject to change.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu06.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu01.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu03.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu02.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu07.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu05.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu04.jpg

[jhapprich]

"Gebt für die Uboot-Spende!:salute:"

Nice Work!

[Madox58]

during which time the mod may be moved to Silent Hunter 5 (depending on how moddable that game turns out to be)

I don't think that you'll have to worry much about that in that kind of time frame.
:03:

[Sailor Steve]

Some very early models had no gyro angle but most German torpedoes were capable of a maximum 90 degree deviation from the sub's base course.
The first German torpedoes with gyro-angle settings came out in 1907.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTGER_PreWWII.htm

British torpedoes were inferior and may not have had this capability, but I'm not sure.
I could find nothing about the British, but the site claims that the Americans built the first gyro-controlled torpedo ever, in 1890.
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_PreWWII.htm

[keltos01]

Potential menu and/or startup screens for the mod - of course, subject to change.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu06.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu01.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu03.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu02.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu07.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu05.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Menu%20Screen/Menu04.jpg


the first one !!!

the rest can be patrol startup image :up:

keltos

[iambecomelife]

Hi guys; any photographs or paintings of the following would be appreciated:

-Kaiser Wilhelm at a Naval review
-A Kaiserliche Marine awards ceremony
-Kaiser Wilhelm personally decorating Kaiserliche Marine sailors
-Another suitably eminent person (Tirpitz, Scheer) speaking to or awarding naval officers

After all, it would be a little awkward to have WWII officers handing out goodies to your brave crew if/when you come home...:hmmm:

[Kongo Otto]

Hi IABL, just have these, maybe the are from use for you.

http://www.abload.de/img/wilhelm2adun.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/wilhelm_00_matrosen_608fgy.jpg

Last Picture shows Wilhelm II with Admiral von Tirpitz and Admiral Henning von Holzendorff on Board S.M.S Hohenzollern

http://www.abload.de/img/index8fd4.jpg

[Kongo Otto]

Found another one, not what you have asked for, but on topic.

Shows the sinking of Freighter Parkgate by U-35 (April 1917)
http://www.abload.de/img/athene-5t3acwt4wwk1jipyerc.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Thank you for the photographs. I actually downloaded the same picture of the cargo ship sinking a few months ago; it is being used in the main menu picture montage.

[ruferwynton]

We want to extend seabattles for bf1918 a battlefield 1942 mod!

We already have ships, but we would like to have more.

Are here some 3d-artists who would like to share their models?

Here on of ours!

http://images.bf-games.net/news/2005/04/2209_2.jpg

http://images.bf-games.net/news/2005/04/2209_5.jpg

[iambecomelife]

ruferwynton. check your PM please.

Here is the AI unit list for the mod as it stands now. It may change a lot or a little bit for a variety of reasons. The merchantmen will take very little time to complete; obviously, the battleships are another story.

FRIENDLY UNITS

-NASSAU CLASS Battleship
-HELGOLAND CLASS Battleship
-KONIG CLASS Battleship
-MOLTKE CLASS Battlecruiser
-DERFFLINGER CLASS Battlecruiser
-DRESDEN CLASS Light Cruiser
-KOLBERG CLASS Light Cruiser
-MAGDEBURG CLASS Light Cruiser
-BRUMMER CLASS Light Cruiser
-NAUTILUS CLASS Cruiser/Minelayer
-V162 CLASS Destroyer
-V180 CLASS Destroyer
-Merchant Minelayer
-Trawler Minelayer
-Large Commerce Raider
-Medium Commerce Raider
-Gunboat
-Coastal Torpedo Boat
-Armed Trawler
-Naval Launch

-Seaplane
-Gotha G IV Bomber
-Albatros D.V
-Zeppelin
-Barrage Balloon


ENEMY UNITS

-BELLEROPHON CLASS Battleship
-ORION CLASS Battleship
-IRON DUKE CLASS Battleship
-QUEEN ELIZABETH CLASS Battleship
-REVENGE CLASS Battleship

-INVINCIBLE CLASS Battlecruiser
-INDEFATIGABLE CLASS Battlecruiser
-LION CLASS Battlecruiser
-QUEEN MARY Battlecruiser

-LORD CLIVE CLASS Monitor
-MEDIUM Monitor

-DRAKE CLASS Armored Cruiser
-DEFENCE CLASS Armored Cruiser
-CRESSY CLASS Armored Cruiser

-HEAVY Armed Merchant Cruiser
-MEDIUM Armed Merchant Cruiser


-WEYMOUTH CLASS Light Cruiser
-ARETHUSA CLASS Light Cruiser
-CAROLINE CLASS Light Cruiser

-PATHFINDER CLASS Scout Cruiser

-NIGER CLASS Gunboat

-LAFOREY CLASS Destroyer
-M CLASS Destroyer
-IMPROVED M CLASS Destroyer
-LIGHTFOOT CLASS Flotilla Leader Destroyer
-V CLASS Destroyer

-CRICKET CLASS Coastal Destroyer

-Minesweeper

-Armed Trawler/Armed Drifter

-Naval Launch

MERCHANT VESSELS

-HEAVY TROOPSHIP (45,000 – 20,000 GRT)
-MEDIUM TROOPSHIP (15,000 – 8,000 GRT)
-LIGHT TROOPSHIP (5,500 – 4,500 GRT)
-SMALL TROOPSHIP (3,000 – 2,000 GRT)

-HEAVY LINER (45,500 – 20,000 GRT)
-MEDIUM LINER (16,000 – 12,000 GRT)
-LIGHT LINER (8,000 – 5,500 GRT)

-HEAVYHOSPITAL SHIP (45,500 – 20,000 GRT)
-MEDIUMHOSPITAL SHIP (16,000 – 12,000 GRT)
-LIGHTHOSPITAL SHIP (8,000 – 5,500 GRT)

-HEAVY TANKER (13,000-10,500 GRT)
-MEDIUM TANKER (8,500-4,000 GRT)
-LIGHT TANKER (3,500-2,500 GRT)
-SMALL TANKER (2,000-900 GRT)

-HEAVY ORE FREIGHTER (10,800-7,000 GRT)
-MEDIUM ORE FREIGHTER (4,500-3,000 GRT)
-LIGHT ORE FREIGHTER (2,000-1,000 GRT)

-MEDIUM COLLIER (3,500-2,500 GRT)
-LIGHT COLLIER (2,000-1,500 GRT)
-SMALL COLLIER (1,000 – 800 GRT)

-HEAVY FREIGHTER (10,000 – 8,000 GRT)
-MEDIUM FREIGHTER (6,500 – 4,000 GRT)
-LIGHT FREIGHTER (3,800 – 2,000 GRT)
-SMALL FREIGHTER (1,800 – 750 GRT)
-CARGO STEAMER (1,000 – 650 GRT)

-HEAVY REFRIGERATED SHIP (10,000 – 7,000 GRT)
-MEDIUM REFRIGERATED SHIP (5,500 – 4,000 GRT)
-LIGHT REFRIGERATED SHIP (3,500 – 1,800 GRT)

-SAILING SHIP
-BARQUE
-SCHOONER
-SLOOP
-JOLLY BOAT
-LIGHTSHIP
-TUG (500 GRT)
-TUG/BARGE (1,500-800 GRT)
-FISH PROCESSING SHIP (1,500-950 GRT)
-TRAWLER (150-80 GRT)

-Short Seaplane
-B.E. 2 Recon Plane
-Fe 2b Bomber
-Sopwith Pup Fighter
-Sopwith Camel Fighter
-Airship
-Barrage Balloon

[ruferwynton]

Thanks iambecomelife,

great list of ships! Send you a pm!

Hope you can help us!

Cheers

[iambecomelife]

Thanks iambecomelife,

great list of ships! Send you a pm!

Hope you can help us!

Cheers

The Helgoland model has been given to you; check your PM for the link.

Thanks for your offer.

[theschell]

Looks like things are coming along nicely:DL

iambecomelife... got a question for you... i lost my archives of ww1 ship parts that i'd sent you when my compy died a few months back... if you still have them i'd like to know about getting copies of them sent back to me... if you are willing... let me know please?

[theschell]

just a quick note... i'm not sure if you wanna spend some cash on reasources... but i recently bought a reasource pack from a site that had a huge package of pics, personal eyewitness accounts etc for the battle of jutland... also had full maps of the battle and even postcards of each of the ships in both fleets that took part... was fairly in-expensive at about 10$... would give you alot of the kinds of info you're looking for... if you want a site link i can provide it... was a huge package and might be quite usefull in your work on this mod...

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

remarkable ship list I, are they finished for the sim yet? or is that a working list? it is very impressive. With that, you can do most major periods.

[theschell]

hey there admiral... long time no see.... i hope all is well

[iambecomelife]

just a quick note... i'm not sure if you wanna spend some cash on reasources... but i recently bought a reasource pack from a site that had a huge package of pics, personal eyewitness accounts etc for the battle of jutland... also had full maps of the battle and even postcards of each of the ships in both fleets that took part... was fairly in-expensive at about 10$... would give you alot of the kinds of info you're looking for... if you want a site link i can provide it... was a huge package and might be quite usefull in your work on this mod...

It can't hurt; let me know what the link is. :D

And I tried again today to find your ships; once I find out where they are hiding you will get a PM.

[iambecomelife]

remarkable ship list I, are they finished for the sim yet? or is that a working list? it is very impressive. With that, you can do most major periods.

Most haven't been started; some of the ones that are about 80% or more complete are:

-HMS Invincible
-HMS Mary Rose
-HMS Orion
-HMS Cressy
-HMS Defence
-SMS Moltke
-SMS Helgoland
-Light Collier

Some of these are likely to be redone due to inadequate detail and issues with S3ditor. However, with the Merchant Fleet Mod I found that after you got a critical mass of "good" ships, the mod practically built itself. Also, many WWI ships historically had the same parts; 6" guns were common on both armored cruisers and battleships. Most British BB's and BC's had almost identical tripod masts. No need to design each part from scratch - just make a "library" of parts and reuse.

Right now I am working mainly on interfaces and playable units (subs).

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Wonderful! I can't tell you how pleased and happy I am that you are making this mod, WWI has so little representation in the world of sims.... and your work is great to see. If you need deck or ship details i may be able to help you as i have been studying the Imperial High Seas Fleet and the Grand Fleet for many years and have commanded both in engagements for the Naval Wargames Society in the UK, and in waterline model engagements of many kinds and also have been working with a WWI mod for Destroyer Command called Iron Seas that modeled most of the major units but much less detail. I can dig for info for you if that will ever help and mostly want to cheer you on..for making a long detailed mod is a huge task.... but in this case worth every erg of energy you can put to it.

A remarkable effort! I had photographs of many of the ships you list inherited from my grandfather who was a commodore in the US navy and was on the Armistice Commission that was in charge of disposition of the High Seas Fleet at the end of the war..inluding bombing tests carried out on allocated german ships by the US airforce....sadly they are in San Diego and I am in Colorado...but as time goes by i may be able to get to them

Carry on and thank you so much.:salute:

ps remember German Torpedo boats were painted black often for camoflage but not always....

if you do the Scharnhorst class AC it would be great to be able include a surface ship mod that might allow us to do Coronel and Falklands :)

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Ahoy Chris. I am ok, had another major operation which resulted in my being in drydock again and in builders hands..hope to get to sea again soon. :):arrgh!:

[theschell]

Sorry to hear that Admiral... i hope you have your sea legs under you again very soon... you have my best wishes for a speedy recovery and a return to fair seas:03:


iambecomelife... the link is http://www.battle-of-jutland.com/ ... lots of reasources there... and the reasource pack is what i bought... it's massive... photos of ships, stats and information (tonnages, armaments etc), maps of the major actions... tons of eyewitness accounts etc... i was really impressed with it... money well worth being spent and i just got it for my own personal collection of reasources... but the whole site is full of good information...

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

The Royal Navy also has a fine archive and they are very helpful, they have helped me a lot with charts, plans and info on several occasions when working on ships or doing battle plans...

[iambecomelife]

Wonderful! I can't tell you how pleased and happy I am that you are making this mod, WWI has so little representation in the world of sims.... and your work is great to see. If you need deck or ship details i may be able to help you as i have been studying the Imperial High Seas Fleet and the Grand Fleet for many years and have commanded both in engagements for the Naval Wargames Society in the UK, and in waterline model engagements of many kinds and also have been working with a WWI mod for Destroyer Command called Iron Seas that modeled most of the major units but much less detail. I can dig for info for you if that will ever help and mostly want to cheer you on..for making a long detailed mod is a huge task.... but in this case worth every erg of energy you can put to it.

A remarkable effort! I had photographs of many of the ships you list inherited from my grandfather who was a commodore in the US navy and was on the Armistice Commission that was in charge of disposition of the High Seas Fleet at the end of the war..inluding bombing tests carried out on allocated german ships by the US airforce....sadly they are in San Diego and I am in Colorado...but as time goes by i may be able to get to them

Carry on and thank you so much.:salute:

ps remember German Torpedo boats were painted black often for camoflage but not always....

if you do the Scharnhorst class AC it would be great to be able include a surface ship mod that might allow us to do Coronel and Falklands :)

I hope you're feeling better.

A surface component is indeed being considered, but considering that a beta for the sub component alone is maybe 1.5 years away (at least) don't expect anything exciting for the near future!

And yes, it would indeed be interesting to recreate Coronel. I have a great interest in British armored cruisers, and I would love to design the "Monmouth" and "Good Hope" (as I posted earlier, the Drake class, of which G.H. was a member, is definitely slated for inclusion as a submarine target). With proper interiors for the pilothouse and a couple other rooms it could be an interesting ship to command.

As for the submarines, about 3 days ago I decided not to use HMS Undine as a basis for the U-20 and U-35. I tried using the "USS Brooklyn" as a parent instead (turned out horribly) and then decided to redo it from scratch.

I got off to a good start - only to lose it all during a crash while playing Warband. :damn: Today I restarted the U-35, making sure to save my work, and got great results ingame. A smooth-looking hullform with low polys, and miraculously, no flickering/shimmering. Now I need to rework the stern and texture-map the whole thing. I may keep the conning tower as an integral part of the hull, because there will not be any CT upgrades for the U-35 during the war.

Pics are below (many details still need to be included). The model on the right is the U-35 from "Shells of Fury", which was only used as a reference - no parts were "borrowed".


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U35-2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/U35-1.jpg

[keltos01]

French Danton Cruiser found during a cable laying survey in february of 2009

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7475/mphoto01.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/i/mphoto01.jpg/)

L'épave du cuirassé français Danton, torpillé et coulé par un sous-marin Allemand le 19 mars 1917 vient d'être retrouvée en parfait état, ses canons de tourelle intacts, en mer Tyrrhénienne, au large de la Sardaigne, reposant par 1000 mètres de fond !

The Wreck of the French Cruiser Danton, torpedoed and sunk by the german submarine xx on March 19, 1917, has been found in a perfect state of preservation, its turrets' canons intacts, in the Thyrrhenian sea, off Sardinia, at a depth of 3000 feet !

http://www.corsematin.com/article/derniere-minute/sardaigne-le-cuirasse-danton-retrouve-par-1000-m-de-fond93-ans-apres

[MCHALO12]

A very interesting project and one of the most promising future submarine simulations! Keep on guys!

[yamatoforever]

Do all French battleships and cruisers of her class also become besides? I am curious already very much!

[Chrisi078]

when will the mod be finished 2011 2012?

[theschell]

just a quick line to say Happy Holidays one and all!!:03:

[Chrisi078]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi418Sy8_IA&feature=related doku SMS emden

[iambecomelife]

when will the mod be finished 2011 2012?

I would like to have a beta with North Sea action by Spring 2012.

Then additional content, including possibly US Coast missions, the Med, and MAYBE surface warfare.

[iambecomelife]

This is just to let you know that the mod is by no means dead; a lot of grunt work is taking place behind the scenes. From now on I am aiming for fewer but more substantial updates; expect one with screenshots & more models within about 2-3 weeks.

[ReallyDedPoet]

This is just to let you know that the mod is by no means dead; a lot of grunt work is taking place behind the scenes. From now on I am aiming for fewer but more substantial updates; expect one with screenshots & more models within about 2-3 weeks.

Nice to hear, this one will be worth the wait :yep::up:

[keltos01]

Nice to hear, this one will be worth the wait :yep::up:

I concur ! :yeah:

[Chrisi078]

Lebt die mod noch?

[keltos01]

Lebt die mod noch?

This is just to let you know that the mod is by no means dead; a lot of grunt work is taking place behind the scenes. From now on I am aiming for fewer but more substantial updates; expect one with screenshots & more models within about 2-3 weeks.

keltos

[AVGWarhawk]

:DL

[JoCreation]

Hello Iambecomelife

After a long absence (progressed work on the WW1-JoC-Mod) i thougt to visit your treat.
One Question: Is your Mod for SH3 or SH4?
Best Regards
Jo

[iambecomelife]

Sledgehammer427, if you're still there, let me know if you still have your UB-class sub model. There's a big update coming up this weekend. :sunny:

@ JoCreation: It is currently for SH4. It is true that parts of the mod are being tested in SH3 and a SH3 version may be produced. However, SH4 functionality is my main concern right now.

[iambecomelife]

I replaced the default loading screen with a WWI painting, plus some shiny stuff:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/prog1.jpg

Current progress on the U-31 Class Submarine. It is based on the US "S" boats. The torpedo tubes, dive planes, props, & gun need work but the hull is nearly done.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/prog6.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/prog5.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/prog4.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/prog2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/prog3.jpg

U-31 and U-57 class models in Wings3d:

[ReallyDedPoet]

Very nice work :yep::up:

[Tessa]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

CORE FEATURES

-Historically Correct uniforms for officers and crew.

-Win medals & awards for your feats of daring. Get unique items from your superior officer or the Kaiser himself. A “swapping out” system to get around the 8-medal limitation of SH4.

POSSIBLE FEATURES

-Austro-Hungarian campaign with appropriate medals, ranks, & uniforms



Hiyas, was wondering if you still needed help in these areas? I've managed to get several Imperial Germany Orders over the past few months and learned a lot about the varying degrees of the orders, and what it (generally speaking) took to earn various medals/orders and then higher degrees of each.

There are some absolutely beautiful Orden out there, while completely impractical you could put breast stars on the uniforms that would hopefully maintain their drawing (granted breast stars of any orden took great achievements or being lucky enough to be born a prince/duke, etc.) and look really sharp. Also being able to (potentially) earn more than one RK from the various states is pretty cool, plus of course the Pour le Merite and the Red Eagle among many others imo is better than any RK no matter how many diamonds you shove into it.

[Deamon]

Hiyas, was wondering if you still needed help in these areas? I've managed to get several Imperial Germany Orders over the past few months and learned a lot about the varying degrees of the orders, and what it (generally speaking) took to earn various medals/orders and then higher degrees of each.
I certainly would be interested in more info about it!

[Sepp von Ch.]

Your new loading screen is splendid!:up:

[iambecomelife]

Hiyas, was wondering if you still needed help in these areas? I've managed to get several Imperial Germany Orders over the past few months and learned a lot about the varying degrees of the orders, and what it (generally speaking) took to earn various medals/orders and then higher degrees of each.

There are some absolutely beautiful Orden out there, while completely impractical you could put breast stars on the uniforms that would hopefully maintain their drawing (granted breast stars of any orden took great achievements or being lucky enough to be born a prince/duke, etc.) and look really sharp. Also being able to (potentially) earn more than one RK from the various states is pretty cool, plus of course the Pour le Merite and the Red Eagle among many others imo is better than any RK no matter how many diamonds you shove into it.

Certainly. The medal system will be greatly simplified because nobody has managed to get around the numerical limitations, but this information would be most welcome.

Stock SH4 has the following medals:

5151=Submarine service medal
5152=Wounded medal
5153=Patrol star
5154=Medal of valor
5155=Campaign star
5156=Victory cross

For "German" careers I have tentatively decided to use the following order:

Blue Max
Order of the Red Eagle
Hausorden von Hohenzollern
Order of the Crown
Iron Cross First Class
Iron Cross Second Class

An equivalent order for Austria would be a great help. Also for non-Prussian regoins. Corrections would be helpful - not sure that the order above is from most to least important.

[Sledgehammer427]

well

i think it would go

blue max
Iron Cross 2nd
Iron cross 1st
then the Pour le merite.

At least, if mrmoery serves me right, that was the order of medals they used, by signifigance

[Tessa]

well

i think it would go

blue max
Iron Cross 2nd
Iron cross 1st
then the Pour le merite.

At least, if mrmoery serves me right, that was the order of medals they used, by signifigance

The Blue Max and Pour le Merite are the same order, regardless of any other orders it has always been at the top of the list since it was created.

When dealing with Imperial Awards/Orders theres a disjoint relation between rules of precedence (in the order medals are officially to be worn) and their real status/prestige. Though rules of precedence always put the EK at the top of the ribbon bar, in reality (in Imperial Germany) it was a very low award making it extremely confusing at times - on a ribbon/medal bar the EK2 would rank above a RK of Hohenzollern, Red Eagle, RK of St. Henry (Saxony) and even Austrian Order of the Iron Crown - all orders which required a seriously higher level of valor/achievement to get even at the lowest levels.

While some of the city/states were landlocked, and had no Navy to speak of they still would have their own people enlist into the Navies. It wasn't uncommon for (your home town so to speak) to also award you for your accomplishments, so one would also need to take note of your birthplace/area you grew up in if it was an area that didn't have its own Navy.

Myself having not played SH4 am not familiar with its config files, though it might be possible to add more with a trick I've used with SH3: from the list you provided:

5151=Submarine service medal
5152=Wounded medal
5153=Patrol star
5154=Medal of valor
5155=Campaign star
5156=Victory cross

What are values for spaces 5157-5159? If blank it would be possible to use those empty spaces to add in extra medals/orders through some manipulation of a few config files (which I assume haven't changed much from sh3).

Not sure if it will at all be possible, but one addition that might be able to be implemented is using the varous levels of each medal, since most major orders had at least 4 to 6 different levels. One could earn the Red Eagle 4th class, and then through further actions get awarded a higher level potentially all the way up to the breast star/grand cross version. Whether or not the game has room/can allow such awards is something I need to load the game and start playing around with the settings to see what its maximum limitations are, what can be added, and what tricks can be used to make more room for more.

The only major contribution the Iron Cross had was that it was available to be awarded to any soldier regardless of rank; something which was an entirely new concept compared to the semi-feudal system with the others.

[Tessa]

Found an interesting page on WWI imperial medals:

http://www.gwpda.org/medals/germmedl/-prussia.html

Has some interesting information on some of the more specific history of the medals.

Despite any temptations, its best not to even think of putting the Black Eagle into play; while it was (technically) the highest honor that Germany has always had it was largely a state award - given principaly to royalty and visiting Kings/Queens. I think that there was one (and only) award of it to a soldier for military accomplishments; even at that it was an Admiral.

Unlike SH3 the submarine clasp was something that was given a lot more respect than its 3rd Reich counterpart (it can be clearly seen in its value - a good quality 3rd Reich u-boat badge with its gilt or brass still mostly intacted will be around $800-$1200; for a comprable WWI Imperial Submarine Badge you're looking at $2000-$2300 for one in high quality shape). A large portion of the sailors in the latter part of the war either never received theirs after earning it or died before fullfilling the reqs to get it in the first place.

Aside from it (sub badge) looking cool imo I think it is worth keeping as part of the medals, and then omitting the EK's and replacing them with more interesting orden. Here's what I would suggest we work with (depending on your hometime, and theatre you are operating in will make certain awards available and/or easier to obtain (starting with the top rank):

Order of the Red Eagle 3rd class
Pour le Merite w/Oak Leaf
Order of the Red Eagle 4th class
Pour le Merite
Knights Cross of Hohenzollern Order
Order of the Iron Crown (Austria)
Military Merit Order 4th Class (Bavaria)
Military Merit Cross (Austria)
Hanseatic Cross (Lubeck/Bremen or Hamburg)
Order of the Crown (Prussia)
Submarine Badge

Fyi, German aviators earned their blue max after getting 20 confirmed kills. Von Richthofen didn't earn his Red Eagle until after getting 70 confirmed kills. Even though the Blue Max is higher in the order of precedence, the Red Eagle is a more prestigous award only given to higher ranking officers that have proven themselves in combat over long periods of time.

Only kind of analogy I could think of that can even try and explain the reasoning is this fictional scenario: Two Marines get back on board ship ready to transfer to Pavuvu after a long period of fighting. One of the Marines took 3 bullets while pulling his friends to safety and returning fire to kill the SOB's. The other Marine single handedly charged a machine gun nest, killed its crew and then proceeded to move laterally and take out 2 more machine gun nest until the last one surrendered - all the time he remains untouched.

Later when they get back to camp the one Marine that took out all the Machine gun nests gets a Navy Cross or MOH for his actions. The other soldier gets a Purple Heart. While the Navy Cross (and of course) MOH rank high above a Purple Heart, the only way you can get one is to be wounded by the enemy in combat or KIA; there is no other way a soldier can get one. Of course it sucks to get wounded at all, but the Purple Heart recipient is now part of a special group of which admission to it is strictly regulated and limited - this is in a twisted sort of way you can look at the Red Eagle Order and why its much harder to get than a Blue Max.

[Sledgehammer427]

The Blue Max and Pour le Merite are the same order, regardless of any other orders it has always been at the top of the list since it was created.

-cough-
I stand corrected, I actually ended up looking it up last night and I forgot about this post entirely.

:salute:

[DavidSimoes]

WoW!!! Congratulations about your work.
I only discovored your mod this week and i must say is looking very interesting. When you talk about the possibility to interact with neutral ships to see their cargo and the fact that vessel could be a Q-ship you make me a fan of your work:rock:
It would be a totaly new experience to be a subcomander and the fact it could have coastal defences in a harbour interesting.
I have only 2 questions:
How could we use the explosve charge? I am guessing it would be with ships in a harbour correct?
You talk you trying to make this mod for sh3 or 4 but i must say sh5 now is looking very good with all the mods available at this moment maybe when you release a beta version in 2012 maybe by then you could consider to make for sh5.
Anyway amazing idea your mod congratulations:salute:

[pontius]

Don#t know if its already have been posted here:
http://www.europafilmtreasures.eu/fiche_technique.htm?ID=269

[iambecomelife]

WoW!!! Congratulations about your work.
I only discovored your mod this week and i must say is looking very interesting. When you talk about the possibility to interact with neutral ships to see their cargo and the fact that vessel could be a Q-ship you make me a fan of your work:rock:
It would be a totaly new experience to be a subcomander and the fact it could have coastal defences in a harbour interesting.
I have only 2 questions:
How could we use the explosve charge? I am guessing it would be with ships in a harbour correct?
You talk you trying to make this mod for sh3 or 4 but i must say sh5 now is looking very good with all the mods available at this moment maybe when you release a beta version in 2012 maybe by then you could consider to make for sh5.
Anyway amazing idea your mod congratulations:salute:

The explosive charge will probably be launched using an invisible deck gun node on your sub. I am still trying to find out what these charges looked like. I understand that grenades were sometimes used in WWI to sink small fishing vessels, but so far I haven't uncovered any photos of the bigger charges that would be used on a stopped ship. if I can't find any then I will just use a model of the famous "potato masher" German grenade as the weapon particle.

http://www.relics.org.uk/images/products/PIC_0098_t.jpg

And unfortunately I cannot release a beta in 2012; the mod is just not in any kind of shape for release. I don't want to falsely get your hopes up about what kind of progress to expect.

[pontius]

French Docu in colour:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xef5kb_1914-1918-en-couleur-les-tueurs-des_shortfilms

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Good to see work progressing, very happy to see that. All is looking excellent.

[Sepp von Ch.]

Some new screenshots iambecomelife? The last beautiful pictures were in February;)

[iambecomelife]

Some new screenshots iambecomelife? The last beautiful pictures were in February;)

Due to an impending professional exam this mod is now on hold until the end of July. However, more updates are coming by late Summer.

Expect to see screens of the following:

-Progress on the UB-type coastal submarines. Built from scratch using authentic blueprints.

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/ss/sms/ub1-350-jb/ub1-01.jpg

-New cargo ships, such as the "Salland" that I released in the SH5 forum.

-Various props for a more WWI-ish ambience, like animals, buildings, & villages.

[AVGWarhawk]

:rock::rock::D

[theschell]

Looks like things are moving along well... i've been busy at my 3d works as well... opened my own 3d website and store... and took over a job as superintedant of my building... it's been hectic... keep up the hard work... and best of luck all...:DL

[Ekaton]

This mod is wonderful and I can't wait to play it. First World War is much more interesting than the second one. I hope mostly to see the Mediterranean theatre, which should be implemented in the first version of the mod!

To help you with your mod I can recommend you some books:
- "Bis zum letzten flaggenschusch" by Georg von Trapp (english title should be - "Until the last salute to the flag" or something like that; polish title "Do ostatniego salutu banderze").
- Torpedo! Achtung! Los! by Wilhelm Marschall
- Werwolf der Meere. U-64 jagt den Feind by Robert Moraht

These books tell a lot about life of u-boot captain of German and Austro-Hungarian navy and about the nature of submarine warfare of the time.

I have also a question: will there be Russia in the game? If there will be, there must be russian revolution in october and russian ships should become bolshevik ones, and later neutral as the war with Russia was finished.

Also, I recommend several good websites, which you propably already know:
http://www.uboat.net/wwi/boats/
http://www.uboat.net/wwi/boats/listing.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_ships_hit_by_U-boats_in_World_War_I
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/sub.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-boat_Campaign_%28World_War_I%29
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWuboat.htm
http://www.wrecksite.eu/ownerbuilderview.aspx?5919
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/british_submarines_in_world_war_.htm
http://history-world.org/world_war_i_and_the_submarine.htm

[iambecomelife]

This mod is wonderful and I can't wait to play it. First World War is much more interesting than the second one. I hope mostly to see the Mediterranean theatre, which should be implemented in the first version of the mod!

To help you with your mod I can recommend you some books:
- "Bis zum letzten flaggenschusch" by Georg von Trapp (english title should be - "Until the last salute to the flag" or something like that; polish title "Do ostatniego salutu banderze").
- Torpedo! Achtung! Los! by Wilhelm Marschall
- Werwolf der Meere. U-64 jagt den Feind by Robert Moraht

These books tell a lot about life of u-boot captain of German and Austro-Hungarian navy and about the nature of submarine warfare of the time.

I have also a question: will there be Russia in the game? If there will be, there must be russian revolution in october and russian ships should become bolshevik ones, and later neutral as the war with Russia was finished.

Also, I recommend several good websites, which you propably already know:
http://www.uboat.net/wwi/boats/
http://www.uboat.net/wwi/boats/listing.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_ships_hit_by_U-boats_in_World_War_I
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/sub.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-boat_Campaign_%28World_War_I%29
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWuboat.htm
http://www.wrecksite.eu/ownerbuilderview.aspx?5919
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/british_submarines_in_world_war_.htm
http://history-world.org/world_war_i_and_the_submarine.htm

Thank you for the links.

There will be Russian merchant ships in the mod.

There won't be very many unique Russian warships due to time constraints. I may do the "Bayan" class cruisers because one of them (Pallada) was sunk by a submarine. There will be generic gunboats, escorts, etc for navies like Russia that I don't have time to model.

[Arma2_SH4_Fan]

Here because all the nations involved to be there? Russian or french warships?

[Borralla]

It's a very good mod.

I'm waiting to play it. :DL

[werwil0]

Kommt wohl nicht mehr???

[Chrisi078]

The mod still alive?

[iambecomelife]

The mod still alive?

You bet your aft dive planes it is!

Major breakthrough: I just figured out how to get a new 3d model of a hat in game; this was once thought to be almost impossible. Although this sounds minor, I can now include historically correct Kaiserliche Marine hats on the lower ranks, instead of giving them the officer's "bus driver" style hats.

This evening I have been working on converting the crew of the "Porpoise" class sub to German uniforms from their USN uni's. No screenshots yet, but stay tuned.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Osprey-Crewmen-Pic.jpg

[Bubblehead1980]

Very nice work, thanks for the update

[FIREWALL]

Just checking in to see how your comeing along. Alot of tremendous work your doing.

This won't be just a Super Mod but, a whole new Game imho. :salute:

p.s. I'm glad I did the MultiSH3 set up. I have a fresh SH3 to install this in. :D

[MGR1]

You bet your aft dive planes it is!

Major breakthrough: I just figured out how to get a new 3d model of a hat in game; this was once thought to be almost impossible. Although this sounds minor, I can now include historically correct Kaiserliche Marine hats on the lower ranks, instead of giving them the officer's "bus driver" style hats.

This evening I have been working on converting the crew of the "Porpoise" class sub to German uniforms from their USN uni's. No screenshots yet, but stay tuned.



Now this sounds good!:yeah:

The Royal Navy used a very similar type, but more rigid in shape. This could be useful for the British Sub mod!:hmmm:

Mike.:DL

[iambecomelife]

[RESERVED]

[iambecomelife]

Some shots of updated crew uniforms. After all, it would look kind of weird to have your men in WWII US Navy gear.

Ordinary Sailors and Bosun's Mates wearing the dark blue Kaiserliche Marine winter uniform. Apparently it was neither suitable for cold weather nor durable enough for combat conditions. Sailors in the surface fleet were miserable enough wearing it; on a frigid, dirty submarine it must have been nightmarish.

I created and skinned the new hat from scratch. So far only one crewmember head has been modified to take it, but I will do more. The alpha channel for the hat is still WIP.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/POS1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/POS3.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/POS2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/POS0.jpg


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/POS4.jpg

[iambecomelife]

Officer uniforms, using the long sleeve shirt and Capt. Cox's excellent hat model.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Officer0.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Officer2-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Officer1-1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/Officer3-1.jpg

[iambecomelife]

More work on surface combatants for the Royal Navy...

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/cruiser1.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/cruiser2.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/iambecomelife/AAABP-v01.jpg

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Yes the High Seas Fleet uniforms were very uncomfortable ....officers wore high collared shirts if you can do that...but not a big importance.

Ships look great.

http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/71/134571-003-E625C086.gif

http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/graphics/scheer.jpg

i would imagine in Submarines there was relaxing of regulations...

[Sailor Steve]

Ah, but are those work uniforms or dress uniforms worn for having their portraits made?