[WIP] Enhanced funnel smoke revisited !!!

[HanSolo78]

Hi guys!

Since this mod has been really great I just thought it should be possible to develope it somehow and finish it.

All credits go to Albrecht Von Hessen
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134024

So.. for now I´ve done a few tweaks to AVH´s mod:


1. Added a 6th smoke class for small coastal vessels

2. changed the smoke of big war ships

3. changed the smoke of diesel ships

4. reworked the smoke of coal burner vessels a little bit

5. made the smoke wind affected

So...let me know if the smoke should be ok or if changes are still needed ;)


Some pictures:

http://s10b.directupload.net/images/081220/4fhmvvk2.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s11b.directupload.net/images/081220/afdtp5cb.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s10b.directupload.net/images/081220/svduhvf5.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s10b.directupload.net/images/081220/ikfj6q8b.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s10b.directupload.net/images/081220/yxccrxjb.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

[iambecomelife]

That's some beautiful looking smoke. In fact all of your screenshots are lovely - what atmospheric/water mods are you using?

When you finish your work I would like to try & apply it to my ships if you don't mind. :yep:

One more thing - Is there a way to enlarge the height of smoke for coal burning steamers? Sources say that their smoke plumes were absolutely gigantic.

[iambecomelife]

oops - I just realized something else. Is there a way to create an invisible smoke plume? That would be useful for some of the small craft I have planned (motor boats, pinnaces, outrigger canoes...) No hurry, b/c I think I will be releasing them after my larger ships.

[HanSolo78]

Hi IABL!

That´s how water and atmosphere looks like in WAC3.0.

I also thought of your merchant fleet mod because it would be great to add the new smoke to your ships. But then it would be the best to know which ships are coal burners and which are diesel merchants.
I also adopted the new smoke to wac but also realized that it is somtimes difficult to make sure coal burner or diesel engine due to the funnel itself.

I think there is the possibility to rise the smoke for coal burning steamers but it might be a small conflic with the wind affected smoke.
I have to try!!

Do you have pics of ships with coal smoke plumes?

EDIT: Invisible smoke? Hm.. sure possible but.. if it´s not visible... :hmm: Don´t get the trick. ???
You also can delete the smoke node for these ships... then there is no smoke visible ;)

[A6Intruder]

Hi Han,
nice idea. I love the dark versions but the light versions for troop transports and battleships should be a liite less white and a litte more medium/dark grey.:yep:
Nice to see you working on WAC!:up:
Kind regards

[UberTorpedo]

HanSolo78

Looks very promising :up:. What does #5. made the smoke wind affected actually mean?
Will the smoke always blow the same direction or will it change with the SH3 weather patterns?

I'm really looking forward to the release :D.

cheers

[HanSolo78]

HanSolo78
Hi Han,
nice idea. I love the dark versions but the light versions for troop transports and battleships should be a liite less white and a litte more medium/dark grey.
Nice to see you working on WAC!
Kind regards


Do you have some pics? It would be best to have some real life pictures.
Some small work for wac is always possible ;)

greetings


HanSolo78

Looks very promising :up:. What does #5. made the smoke wind affected actually mean?
Will the smoke always blow the same direction or will it change with the SH3 weather patterns?

I'm really looking forward to the release :D.

cheers

No.. in Sh3 it is only possible to blow in just one direction.. wind affection unfortunately is not possible.

But until you don´t get a weather report with wind direction and compare the smoke.. youn won´t get on this ;)
I did it like Rubini did in his thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=135552&highlight=smoke

greetings

[mengle]

verry great work, that was missing in the game ;)

[A6Intruder]

[quote=A6Intruder]HanSolo78
Hi Han,
nice idea. I love the dark versions but the light versions for troop transports and battleships should be a liite less white and a litte more medium/dark grey.
Nice to see you working on WAC!
Kind regards


Do you have some pics? It would be best to have some real life pictures.
Some small work for wac is always possible ;)

greetings

I only found one, of an british battleship Ramillies. Find it here:
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/42-05.htm
Last picture of this page.
Imo ist a little darker than shown above but I have to say that i would like to see (all) smoke darker.
I love it so see black smoke crossing the horizon.:up:
Kind regards.

[HanSolo78]

[quote=A6Intruder]HanSolo78
Hi Han,
nice idea. I love the dark versions but the light versions for troop transports and battleships should be a liite less white and a litte more medium/dark grey.
Nice to see you working on WAC!
Kind regards


Do you have some pics? It would be best to have some real life pictures.
Some small work for wac is always possible ;)

greetings

I only found one, of an british battleship Ramillies. Find it here:
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/42-05.htm
Last picture of this page.
Imo ist a little darker than shown above but I have to say that i would like to see (all) smoke darker.
I love it so see black smoke crossing the horizon.:up:
Kind regards.

Hm.. in the other funnel smoke thread I found this picture of big warship smoke...

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h80000/h80988.jpg


Has anybody more pictures/videos of warships?
More opinions and pictures would be nice.

Maybe I should have a look at youtube...


EDIT: just found this video at youtube... I think it is usefull... what do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhUByERf7iE

[UberTorpedo]

HanSolo78

Would it be possible to some how randomize the direction of the smoke when you
start up SH3 each time? Perhaps through SH3 Commander?
I think I'd get distracted if I noticed it was always in one direction. (But it wouldn't be a game killer for me :D.)

Can't wait to try it out :p. This mod has been needed for a long time :up:

cheers

[Madox58]

If you add a section in the
Randomised events.cfg?
I'd say they could be different.

I'm actually surprised more people don't
take advantage of this fantastic tool.

[A6Intruder]

[quote=A6Intruder]HanSolo78
Hi Han,
nice idea. I love the dark versions but the light versions for troop transports and battleships should be a liite less white and a litte more medium/dark grey.
Nice to see you working on WAC!
Kind regards


Do you have some pics? It would be best to have some real life pictures.
Some small work for wac is always possible ;)

greetings

I only found one, of an british battleship Ramillies. Find it here:
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/42-05.htm
Last picture of this page.
Imo ist a little darker than shown above but I have to say that i would like to see (all) smoke darker.
I love it so see black smoke crossing the horizon.:up:
Kind regards.

Hm.. in the other funnel smoke thread I found this picture of big warship smoke...

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h80000/h80988.jpg


Has anybody more pictures/videos of warships?
More opinions and pictures would be nice.

Maybe I should have a look at youtube...


EDIT: just found this video at youtube... I think it is usefull... what do you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhUByERf7iE


Hi Han,
i am with you. This is quite usefull. The smoke is much darker than above. Do you not think so?:yep:
Kind regards

[kiwikapitan]

Looking superb HanSolo. :up:

It's the little things like this that make you appreciate this simulation. I'm gonna d/l your mod too. That sea looks almost real. :rock:

[HanSolo78]

HanSolo78

Would it be possible to some how randomize the direction of the smoke when you
start up SH3 each time? Perhaps through SH3 Commander?
I think I'd get distracted if I noticed it was always in one direction. (But it wouldn't be a game killer for me :D.)

Can't wait to try it out :p. This mod has been needed for a long time :up:

cheers

Might be possible like Privateer said.. but so far I am not familiar with SH3 Commander and adding ranomized events.
Maybe this should be a task for Sh3 Commander creator?



Today I reworked some smokes a little bit:

1. diesel smoke darker
2. war ship smoke darker
3. coal burner smoke rising higher


Have a look:

http://s10.directupload.net/images/081221/hvrj4uoy.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s10.directupload.net/images/081221/c6u2wzxn.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s11.directupload.net/images/081221/vj2fwt9a.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

What do you think now?

[A6Intruder]

Looks good in my eyes, much better than before:up:
Kind regards

[iambecomelife]

Nice job, and thanks for listening to our suggestions. The smoke from the coal burner looks very realistic.

Even in an area as "trivial" as smoke there are a lot of improvements that can be made in the next subsim:

-There should be lots of heavy smoke as a ship works up speed, and less as it reaches cruising speed.

-Escorts should emit smokescreens when an enemy raider approaches.

-Other emissions should also be included - steam from steam lines & whistles, condensation discharge from ports in the hull, etc.

I'm not sure that "boring" details like these will actually get much attention, but I can always dream!

Still, you and other modders have done alot within SH3's limitations. :up:

[HanSolo78]

@A6Intruder

Nice to hear :)


Again I reworked the coal burner smoke a little bit and it seems I ran into a bit of trouble... the first picture shows the smoke.. rising high... like wanted... but to me it seems a bit unrealistic that the smoke is so dense and does not spread.

The second picture shows the smoke of the coal burner how I would like it... mid high and spreading when it rises higher.

http://s10b.directupload.net/images/081221/jlfoijv4.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s10.directupload.net/images/081221/7zygd93m.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

[Task Force]

awww. I realy want to use this mod. But I dont have a clean install to copy.:shifty:

[HanSolo78]

awww. I realy want to use this mod. But I dont have a clean install to copy.:shifty:

You mean the smoke mod?

I´ll definitely also relase it seperately ;)
So you can install it on your own Sh3 version!

[Task Force]

smoke and water.:yep:(I like the water in WAC alot.)

[HanSolo78]

I made a small video of the latest coal burner smoke:

http://www.myvideo.at/watch/5663917

[Task Force]

looks very nice.:yep: So is it possible to get this mods water, and the smoke effects for other versions of SH3.

[UberTorpedo]

Would this mod release be in time for Christmas? :hmm:

[HanSolo78]

looks very nice.:yep: So is it possible to get this mods water, and the smoke effects for other versions of SH3.

I don´t think so... some things belong to wac... otherwise GWx could also expand features, but they don´t. So.. some things for all.. some things for the super mod.


@UberTorpedo

Don´t know... might be possible... a good readme is required so that alle people can make a install for themselves.

[HanSolo78]

a small update to this work in progress...little time on the christmas days... again I reworked the coal burner a bit(rising little higher than the last and spreading) and the diesel smoke (rising higher).

what do you think?

PS: merry christmas!

http://s10.directupload.net/images/081226/qr8ecddz.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s11.directupload.net/images/081226/3lrn7cci.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

[JScones]

HanSolo78

Would it be possible to some how randomize the direction of the smoke when you
start up SH3 each time? Perhaps through SH3 Commander?
I think I'd get distracted if I noticed it was always in one direction. (But it wouldn't be a game killer for me :D.)

Can't wait to try it out :p. This mod has been needed for a long time :up:

cheers

Might be possible like Privateer said.. but so far I am not familiar with SH3 Commander and adding ranomized events.
Maybe this should be a task for Sh3 Commander creator?
SH3Cmdr only needs three pieces of information:

1. The name of the file(s) that has the setting(s) controlling the smoke direction
2. The offset(s) (if hex file, otherwise Section and Key if text) to those setting(s)
3. The range of values that could be used

If you can provide that information, then you should be able to get randomised smoke direction.

You would also want to consider making the same changes to the rain direction, if possible.

[iambecomelife]

Hi IABL!

That´s how water and atmosphere looks like in WAC3.0.

I also thought of your merchant fleet mod because it would be great to add the new smoke to your ships. But then it would be the best to know which ships are coal burners and which are diesel merchants.
I also adopted the new smoke to wac but also realized that it is somtimes difficult to make sure coal burner or diesel engine due to the funnel itself.

I think there is the possibility to rise the smoke for coal burning steamers but it might be a small conflic with the wind affected smoke.
I have to try!!

Do you have pics of ships with coal smoke plumes?

EDIT: Invisible smoke? Hm.. sure possible but.. if it´s not visible... :hmm: Don´t get the trick. ???
You also can delete the smoke node for these ships... then there is no smoke visible ;)

Hi Han Solo - How are things going?:hmm:

I'm going to start putting together the beta version of my mod tomorrow, so is there any chance that the smoke will be ready by then?

Thanks!

[A6Intruder]

a small update to this work in progress...little time on the christmas days... again I reworked the coal burner a bit(rising little higher than the last and spreading) and the diesel smoke (rising higher).

what do you think?

PS: merry christmas!

http://s10.directupload.net/images/081226/qr8ecddz.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s11.directupload.net/images/081226/3lrn7cci.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)


Hi Han,
i like the kind of smoke but i would like to have it less brown and more black.:up:
Kind regards

[HanSolo78]

hi!

actually I did not rework it after the last update...I don´t think that I can release it today because I am out of time for the next few days... the new years scheduling starts today so... the first days of 2009 is a good date ;)


too brown the coal burner? really

any further comments on the smoke types?



greetings

[Hitman]

too brown the coal burner? really

any further comments on the smoke types?


I like the smoke types so far -they are easily differentiable and look accurate-, and I'm not too sure about the colours. Brown or black? I have never seen a real coal ship or good colour pics of them, and thus can't tell what colour the smoke is. I have however seen coal trains and the smoke looked a mix of black and some grey, like ashes pulver.

http://www.efe.gov.ec/uploads/noticias/tren%2520maquina%2520vapor%2520tunel.jpg

[Letum]

Here is a picture of a ship with a coal fire....
http://www.b3tards.com/u/57a418c694bc7c6296b3/coalfire.jpg
But perhaps that is the wrong kind of coal fire. ;)


British steam trains run exclusively on coal. Looking at photos of them should give
the best idea about colour. Look for pictures of stationary trains as they produce
less steam.

[iambecomelife]

No worries - I will look out for your release posting.

And that's an amazing photo Letum - what ship is it?

[Letum]

No idea.

It is carrying coal that has set alight. I can't imagine a torpedo setting coal alight.
There would be little air where a torpedo made a hole, but a lot of water. That, and the
flat sea, makes me think this is the result of an air strike in the med.

[biosthetique]

A torpedo hitting a coal bunker, might not set alight the coal per say, yet the airborne dust of the coal will explode and increase the initial explosion of the torpedo or create a secondary explosion. Coal dust is highly flamable.

[prowler3]

Something to keep in mind on warships. Those that had oil fired boilers, like DD938 on which I served as a Boiler Tech, strived for a fuel/air mixture to produce little, if any, smoke. Although I can't say for sure, I would think this applied in WWII era oil burning steam warships, also? As a matter of fact having fairly visible smoke would ellicit an angry call from the Bridge! Visible (black) smoke (fuel rich) also meant you were fouling the boiler tubes with soot, resulting in more than usual soot blowing, to clean the tubes, and the possibilty of economizer fires. White smoke (fuel lean) is the result of too much air and is extremely dangerous as the smoke results from unburned fuel particles...and those have a tendency to always find a way to explode. Most oil burning boiler furnace explosions resulted from an air rich fuel mixture. Most of the time we ran with "economy haze"...ever so slightly fuel rich, and it was not very visible. Of course coal and diesel are a different story.

Just some thoughts from "back in the day".

[HanSolo78]

@Letum

REALLY interesting picture :yep: :yep:

Looks like the wind is pushing the smoke much more to horizontal lines.
Maybe this should be reworked a little bit with the coal burners ??


@prowler

interesting thoughts....

[StarLion45]

:o SOB...:o
More mods I can't wait to see it finished:p
You modguys are the greatest:p :p
I had this feeling that we are not finished to mod the GWX 3.0 Gold .
:doh: :doh: :doh: I am an addict now for shure:roll: :roll: :dead:

God ! My wife is gonna kill me:nope: :doh: :shifty: :dead: :-?
More GWX 3.0 at night:p :p :roll: :dead:

[Jimbuna]

:o SOB...:o
More mods I can't wait to see it finished:p
You modguys are the greatest:p :p
I had this feeling that we are not finished to mod the GWX 3.0 Gold .
:doh: :doh: :doh: I am an addict now for shure:roll: :dead:

God ! My wife is gonna kill me:nope: :doh: :shifty: :dead: :-?
More GWX 3.0 at night:p :p :roll: :dead:

I should imagine there are plenty more mods in the pipeline for GWX3.0.

There is still a little life in the old wolf yet http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[iambecomelife]

Oh, and for the record, HanSolo, if you want I will send you a list with recommendations for what smoke to use based on the Merchant Fleet Mod ships' styling (modern motorship vs old steamer, etc.)

[HanSolo78]

@Star Lion

Since I have no GWx3.0 install I will only make a WAC3.0 and a stock version.
But I think Mikhayl or other people can do a GWx version after release ;)

@IABL

That would be great!! :)

What do you think of the coal burner funnel smoke?
The picture above shows the smoke not rising high...

[HanSolo78]

Hi again!

Now I need some beta testers... so.. who has some time? ;)


PM me!

[kiwikapitan]

Han you have a PM from me. :up:

[AH_Thor]

Excellent HansSolo78 :up:

[kiwikapitan]

I'm currently changing all my ships with Han's (formerly von Hesse) enhanced funnel smoke for WAC. It's a big job with nearly 200 ships but I hope it will be worth it for more variety in the game. Someone has got to finish this project in the end. :yep:

I've done the warships but the merchants are a lot trickier. I understand anything with a tall narrow funnel is a steamer (coal-fired), but what if it is same the height but thicker? :hmm:

Also I note in the original thread there was different smoke for passenger liners. Would the modern diesel smoke work for these or should the big warship smoke be used?

[makman94]

hello hans, i want to be a beta tester of your mod but i am forced to running gwx3 becuase of the installation problems i have with wac3 . is it possible to run your mod with gwx3 ?

ps1: hans,can you send me a dvd with wac3?

ps2: maybe is silly question but is it possible to run wac campaign with gwx3? i mean which files must copy from wac3 to run the campaign?

hansolo... find the lost comrades and give wac3 the place that deserve to have ! sh3 needs you

bye

[kiwikapitan]

Here are pics of the 6 different types of smoke for those that are interested. Plus one that shows them together. :up:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/kiwikapitan/carrier2.jpg
heavy warship
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/kiwikapitan/coal1.jpg
coal
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/kiwikapitan/coastal1.jpg
coastal
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/kiwikapitan/diesel2.jpg
diesel
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/kiwikapitan/warship_new2.jpg
light warship
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/kiwikapitan/warship_old2.jpg
old warship
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/kiwikapitan/various.jpg

[mengle]

waw thats very good, :up: :up:

[robbythesub]

Hi Han

Where is the download link for these mods please? :up:

[kiwikapitan]

Hi Han

Where is the download link for these mods please? :up:

Those pics are from me beta testing Han's smoke mod. Another words it's not finished yet! ;)

[HanSolo78]

@kiwikaptain

did you add another destroyer to the test mission?
one destroyer (V&W?) seem not to use the new smoke.
actually the clemson destroyer uses the old coal smoke ;)

For WAC I actually adopted all ships... so.. no work to do here! :ping:
For stock Sh3 I have only to cut out the WAC ships.


@makman

I don´t know if the mod wiill work with GWX because GWX did changes to their ships.

The WAC campaign files will not work in GWX because of the different ships, etc.
Nothing to make!

A WAC3.0 DVD we can send to if you send us a letter with some money for return.
Please PM me for this!

@robbythesub

I will send you a link


greetings

[kiwikapitan]

No the light warship in the above picture is the V&W destroyer if I'm not mistaken! :yep:

The old warship should be the Clemson but for some strange reason it's missing two funnels. :hmm:

[kiwikapitan]

Also I'm a bit bemused at the moment. According to U-boat.net the C2, Liberty and Victory ships were classed as steam merchants even though their funnels are relatively short. So should they be coal or diesel smoke or something in between? :hmm:

Sailor Steve where are you? :arrgh!:

[makman94]

I don´t know if the mod wiill work with GWX because GWX did changes to their ships.

The WAC campaign files will not work in GWX because of the different ships, etc.
Nothing to make!


yes hans i know that ! i am thinking which are all the reletives files in order to campaign work . i am thinking the sea ,roster ,cfg folders or it is not so simple?

for the dvd ,of course it will be arranged ,i didn't ask a present ! i will pm you for the details

bye

[HanSolo78]

yes hans i know that ! i am thinking which are all the reletives files in order to campaign work . i am thinking the sea ,roster ,cfg folders or it is not so simple?

for the dvd ,of course it will be arranged ,i didn't ask a present ! i will pm you for the details

bye

no.. it is not that simple.. more files and folders are incorporated.

greetings

[Fubar2Niner]

@HanSolo78

Hi shipmate.
I was wondering did this mod ever get finished ?

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

[HanSolo78]

@furbar2niner

hi!

I released the funnel smoke mod in wac 4.0 but if you are still interested I can upload a version for stock sh3. unfortunately my pcs are out of order at the moment I am writing from work...

best greetings
Han

[Fubar2Niner]

@HanSolo78.

That would be gracious indeed. Thanks very much for your noble gesture. :yeah: Hope your PC problem is soon solved.

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

[HanSolo78]

So.. I just repaired my Pc and just uploaded my latest version of this mod.
I only did the mod for some ships but also made a manula so that everyone can adapt this to every mod and every ship.

here is the download link: http://files.filefront.com/EnhancedFunnelSmokerar/;13916780;/fileinfo.html

[makman94]

So.. I just repaired my Pc and just uploaded my latest version of this mod.
I only did the mod for some ships but also made a manula so that everyone can adapt this to every mod and every ship.

here is the download link: http://files.filefront.com/EnhancedFunnelSmokerar/;13916780;/fileinfo.html

very nine Hans ! :up:

[cemtufekci]

Hansolo i have imported your smokes to gwx ships + community ships based on "thomsens ships mod" sim files. So can i release it to the community? Aslo thanks for your nice efforts:up:

[Fubar2Niner]

@Hans

Much appreciated mate, glad your pc is back up and running :rock:

@cemtufekci

I'd like to pre order that release for GWX ships if I may shipmate, Hans permissions allowing :salute:


Best regards.

Fubar2Niner