DCG Campaign: Stalingrad 1942

[HunterICX]

Achtung, Achtung!

We shall defeat the Russians at Stalingrad!

Campaign: Stalingrad 1942
Aircraft per side: 50+
AI Dificulty: Veteran
Time of Flight: the usual 22.00 - 22.30 GMT+1

Pilots:

HunterICX
Dowly
Kratos
Schroeder
Fincuan
Xabbarus
Oberon
Raptor1
LaughingSwordfish
Task Force
(if you are not on the list but you do want to play please report;) )

LoLwaffe Wochenschau's:

Murmansk 1942: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc9MFdxKmm4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc9MFdxKmm4)
made by Oberon.
LolwafflesOst!:http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff8/jcc2k1/?action=view&current=LolwafflesOst.flv (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff8/jcc2k1/?action=view&current=LolwafflesOst.flv)
Made by Oberon.


The Battle of Stalingrad
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8592/stalingradgm8.jpg

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

Me, I would like to play (Even though I suck, thoroughly)

[HunterICX]

Goodie,

just to confirm, you have IL2:1946 (patched 4.08m) right?
and whats your location (Timezone)

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

Yup

GMT +2

[HunterICX]

Ok,

now like mentioned above, if we fly it will be around 22.00 - 22.30 GMT +1 (around 23.00 your time)

we meet on the Teamspeak server which can be found Here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=115788)

HunterICX

[Dowly]

AI Dificulty: Average

You can take my name out of the list. :hmm:

[HunterICX]

AI Dificulty: Average

You can take my name out of the list. :hmm:

I should have keep my mouth shut about the AI dificulty...
I'm trying to prevent Impossible actions done by the AI in very INFERIOR aircraft as the Polish Air force only has the P11 in the DCG and I dont want that they are able to stay out of my gunsight and even worse are able to keep up with me in a 109, like the Ki 27 did in the Burma campaign and able to keep up with a aicraft that has faster top speed then them.
but if they really are the joke then I raise the dificulty...and be warned when I start the BoB campaign you will fight veteran Hurricanes and the dificulty wont be lowered after the BoB.
we may start easier but if you just be patient and bear with it for a short while as I'm also using the poland campaign to test some other options in DCG a bit, fine if not I will remove your name if you still want too.

HunterICX

[Dowly]

I dont fancy flying missions where the AI sits tight and flies straight and level while the player is peppering it from his 6. :roll:

[HunterICX]

I dont fancy flying missions where the AI sits tight and flies straight and level while the player is peppering it from his 6. :roll:

Rookie AI does that,

Average AI is like the veteran but they are more smoother in their movements easier to hang on to, instead of wildly rolling, spinning and turning on Max G's (without blacking out) trying to avoid your gunsight.
some Average aircraft do not respond at first untill you have passed him..so gives you bit the feeling you surprised instead of the Veterans having eyes 360º all around.
you've played against the Average back then when we flew the Stock campaigns online.

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

Sounds fun I'll be there.

[Stealth Hunter]

Sign me up, Hunter.:up:


IL2 1946 is patched to 4.08, and I'm in the central timezone area... don't know what the exact GMT is, though.:smug:

[Raptor1]

I have never, ever flown against P.11s, are they as weak and useless as they look?

[Fincuan]

P.11 rules, be sures :lol:

Slow as hell but turns on a dime. 109 is faster, climbs better, dives better, has better weapons. In a 109 you'd fight it like you fight Zeros in a P38: DO NOT turn. You only turn when you pull lead, and extend when you can't keep the lead anymore. "Never turn more than 90 degrees with a Zero" was a P-38 pilot's guideline, and that also holds true with 109 vs. P.11. Keep the speed up, and there's no way he'll get his guns on you.

edit: Here's a couple of charts from Il2Compare. Treat them as a guideline, not the absolute truth.

Bf-109E4(blue) vs. P.11
http://staufa.sytes.net/files/IL2/109vsp11.jpg

Ju-87B(blue) vs. P11
http://staufa.sytes.net/files/IL2/ju87vsp11.jpg

[Kratos]

Oh! this list is growing,better get the big machine out :rotfl::rotfl:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3825/il2salvagetruck2mk5.gif

[HunterICX]

Sign me up, Hunter.:up:


IL2 1946 is patched to 4.08, and I'm in the central timezone area... don't know what the exact GMT is, though.:smug:

its now 21:30 here,
so my guess it is 15.30 your time?

HunterICX

[Oberon]

Aye, you'd better get the Luftwaffe to get some extra 109 parts in... :lol:

[Fincuan]

Wow that was fun. First sortie I ****ed up the landing at the end of a transfer flight and didn't get to take part in the fun when a bunch of Poles bounced the base. Second sortie we owned six P.11s, with me getting hits at several of them but downing only one. Not slowing down and taking it to the vertical seemed to do the trick as I wasn't even fired at let alone hit. Schroeder you got, what, three + one friendly? and Raptor got three? We're going to have two aces tomorrow :up:

[Raptor1]

Yeah, I got 3 but managed to screw up the landing on both sorties

I will never, ever, underestimate a plane based on how outdated it looks again

Oh, and more spare parts would be nice, Mr. Göring

[Kratos]

Yeah, I got 3 but managed to screw up the landing on both sorties

I will never, ever, underestimate a plane based on how outdated it looks again

Oh, and more spare parts would be nice, Mr. Göring

I got a truck full of spares after tonight :rotfl:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3825/il2salvagetruck2mk5.gif

[HunterICX]

:D Wow, new record in having the most players online on 1 night.
great sorties guys!

28 sorties to go http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4938/smileypilotjh1.gif

HunterICX

[LaughingSwordfish]

Are you flying stukas also or fighters exclusively? If you need a stuka/bomber pilot I might join.

[Fincuan]

You can fly any plane that's available in the mission, even enemy if you want to. At least in the first sorties there were several Stukas available, even if we all flew 109s

[Schroeder]

Normally both types are present in the missions (normally, not always).
*edit*
I see Finciuan was faster:D
*edit*

@ Fincuan
In the last sortie I got 2 Poles and Oberon rammed me (no big deal by the way:D).
At the end of the transfer mission I shot down three of them.

[Fincuan]

Hehe SLOOOWW...

So you are our first ace then, congratulations! I only looked at the end score for the second sortie(yours was -100), and thought that meant one friendly kill and nothing else.

Good job, and that goes for everyone else too :up:

[Raptor1]

I'll catch up!...assuming I survive the next landing

Anyway, the 2nd Sortie also had some 111s, though I wouldn't have recommended flying those... :roll:

[HunterICX]

I rather be in a HE111 then in a Stuka flying against those P11's
the first sortie I saw some stuka going up in flames by those buggers.

anyhow, like mentioned above by Fincuan, you are freely to choose any aircraft that is listed before each sortie..
wish the BF110 was available, then those P11 where into a nasty surprise...hehehe

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

I was just thinking about the 110...why isn't it available? (They performed rather well in reality...in Poland, that is)

[HunterICX]

I was just thinking about the 110...why isn't it available? (They performed rather well in reality...in Poland, that is)

The BF110 was then used as a Escort and to intercept the Polish bombers ( I.E the Pzl.37)

we might get it in some sortie (replacing the Ju87/He111) only for just a sortie now and then, but I cant say that for sure.

HunterICX

[LaughingSwordfish]

Okay, I`m signing up.

4.08m

GMT +1

I don`t have a mic at the moment, but I will be there on TS.

[Raptor1]

Great :D

Kratos...you're gonne need a bigger truck

[Schroeder]

Hehe SLOOOWW...

So you are our first ace then, congratulations! I only looked at the end score for the second sortie(yours was -100), and thought that meant one friendly kill and nothing else.


You get -300 for a friendly single engined fighter.:-?

[Dowly]

Anyway, the 2nd Sortie also had some 111s, though I wouldn't have recommended flying those... :roll:

Gah, nonsense! The german bombers in IL2 are superb in hitting accuracy to any other. I did a test months ago, bombing an aircraft carrier and the bomb hit the spot I aimed at pretty much center on every 5 runs. ;)

In the last sortie I got 2 Poles and Oberon rammed me (no big deal by the way:D).

Lucky bastard, I chased 2 Poles, damaged both, then some (obviously) drunk Pole crashed into my cockpit from nowhere. :nope:

[Raptor1]

'Course the 111 is a great bomber, I was referring to that particular flight of 111s though...

So, we lost, what, 7 planes to...err...accidents, and 0 to enemy fire?

[HunterICX]

Okay, I`m signing up.

4.08m

GMT +1

I don`t have a mic at the moment, but I will be there on TS.

Nice, another one :up:
welcome!

(..I need faster upload for the server:p )

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

Hey Hunter what's your take on using mods in our coops? To be specific I'd like to use the 6 DOF-mod and one that gives you better looking cockpits.

[Dowly]

Hey Hunter what's your take on using mods in our coops? To be specific I'd like to use the 6 DOF-mod and one that gives you better looking cockpits.

SSSHH!!!! (Use 'em, I do.:p)

[Oberon]

I'm still shocked how Schroeder survived me rear-ending him. :o

I put tiny holes in one P11 and that was it. I think I might stick with ground attacks from now on, tanks don't move so fast... :hmm:

[Raptor1]

I still don't understand what happened to that 109 (Number 8, was it?) at the start of the Transfer mission :hmm:

[Oberon]

I still don't understand what happened to that 109 (Number 8, was it?) at the start of the Transfer mission :hmm:

Yeah, that was wierd :o I reckon Hunter had it right, he let a huge one rip and then lit up a cigar :arrgh!:

[Zinmar]

What ealism functions do you run with? The biggest thing I enjoy is looking at my plane cruising thru the air...GLORIOUS!!!

[Raptor1]

What ealism functions do you run with? The biggest thing I enjoy is looking at my plane cruising thru the air...GLORIOUS!!!
I think we have everything on except No Speed Bar and No External View, ne? (And No Waypoints)

[Fincuan]

SSSHH!!!! (Use 'em, I do.:p)

Oh yeah, talking about SH4 mods here of course :lol:

I just had a brief look at the dark side, and it might be difficult to come back

[Raptor1]

Well, that was fun...but...I CALL BLOODY VENGEANCE

Schultz!, Bring me my...err...Bloody Vengeance weapons!

[Kratos]

Well come on. Throw the dog a bone, just because i wasn't there tonight doesn't mean i dont want to know what went on :hmm: .. A few caps. or a bit of after action reporting woudn't go a miss ;)

[Stealth Hunter]

Sign me up, Hunter.:up:


IL2 1946 is patched to 4.08, and I'm in the central timezone area... don't know what the exact GMT is, though.:smug:

its now 21:30 here,
so my guess it is 15.30 your time?

HunterICX

NM, can't make it. Sorry guys. Jasta 5, for Red Baron 3D, is getting back together. I used to be part of the clan, so I've got to show up for the reunion.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/World%20War%20I/Paintings/J5FORMb.jpg

THE GREEN TAILS:rock:

[LaughingSwordfish]

That 109 landing gear is fragile:o
I forget I`m not in a stuka anymore when I have to land this thing:oops:

[Raptor1]

That 109 landing gear is fragile:o
I forget I`m not in a stuka anymore when I have to land this thing:oops:
Blame Schultz for not directing the traffic properly, don't blame Messerschmitt which might or might not cut our supply of aircraft seeing as we managed to destroy more 109s than the Polish

Anyhoosa, I can't come today, so I'll have to exact my bloody vengeance tommorrow

[Fincuan]

The Messerschmitt guys are businessmen. The more pilots like us, the more business for them :yep:

Der Dicke might not be that happy though...

[HunterICX]

Well come on. Throw the dog a bone, just because i wasn't there tonight doesn't mean i dont want to know what went on :hmm: .. A few caps. or a bit of after action reporting woudn't go a miss ;)

Same as yesterday, but today they managed to turn the runway into a real obstacle course (aprox 5 wrecks scattered all over the airfield)
but...the good part...enough spare parts for the 109E ;) :rotfl:

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

How about we all land in the Polski airfield next time, that'll undoubtedly disrupt their operations

[LaughingSwordfish]

How about we all land in the Polski airfield next time, that'll undoubtedly disrupt their operations

Once on UK Dedicated I and another pilot bombed the AA defences on the enemy airfield, landed our stukas and shot up stationary planes and cars with our rear guns. Not realistic, but very fun:rotfl:

[Fincuan]

Well come on. Throw the dog a bone, just because i wasn't there tonight doesn't mean i dont want to know what went on :hmm: .. A few caps. or a bit of after action reporting woudn't go a miss ;)

We flew two sorties. The first one was an air superiority mission above our own airfield, and that's exactly what we did: Demonstrated our superiority over empty air. No Poles showed up. The landing went as usual, and this was the sortie with the "obstacle course" of five crashed 109s :lol:

Our mission for the second sortie was the same(protect the airbase, not crash our planes), so a few guys took a peek at the enemy's side to see what they were up to, and we decided to do a fighter sweep towards one of their airbases a good distance behind the lines. After an uneventful ingress we began to circle the airfield at 5000 meters, but cloud cover prevented us from seeing much of what went on below. We were already noses towards home when first three, then another three and then a few more P.11s materialized from 12 o'clock, and a good old furball developed. A bunch of P.11s were shot down along with a few of our own, while the rest retreated back to the base chased by P.11s, which strafed the airfield after we had landed. Personally I claimed two enemies shot down which were both confirmed, and I think Raptor rammed one, but I don't know about the rest. Once everyone was more or less safely down we made a swift exit out of the mission before the P.11s got us on the ground :arrgh!:

[Kratos]

Sounds like you all had fun again :up:
ah well you cant blame me for the obsticle course this time :lol:

[XabbaRus]

I got one but then after I had parked a bloody AI plane decided to park on me and blew me up. What I didn't realise was that I was still alive in the cokcpit and hit ctrl-e to eject then hunter finished the game, I ended up with 50 points instead of 100, but a kill is a kill.

[Raptor1]

That P.11 I killed blinded me with smoke that eventually caused me to ram him

I hate how these P.11s are so slow, you can get on their tail but you can't stay there, also if you do manage to shoot one up it won't die even after a couple of cannon hits...

[Schroeder]

I use combat flaps after getting behind them. That allows you to maneuver better too.

[Raptor1]

I use combat flaps after getting behind them. That allows you to maneuver better too.

Me too, but they're just...too...slow...

[Fincuan]

Don't settle behind them, it'll kill you in a furball. Use your speed and fly right past, climb steeply, dive to their deep six and hit them again from slightly below. The AI loves to split-S when being bounced, only this time he'll do right into your sights! If he doesn't split-S, then pull your sights up to him and BAM(meaning shoot, don't ram :lol: You won't probably kill them as fast this way, but your six will stay clear. If it's only a few P.11s and your wingman is covering you then you it's ok to settle, though I'd still recommend the above way of dealing with them.

[Oberon]

Twas a good sortee, despite Schroeder winding up as a POW of the Poles and Raptor rear-ending a P11. I hope I have a little more luck with the Hurris than I do with the P11s, it seems that I can put forty rounds into the back of a P11 and get showered with debris but nothing happens, and then I've overshot the damn thing because I'm going too fast.
Plus, that bloody weather! Turbulence like 'eck until cloud level and then smooth sailing, but as soon as you descend to land, you're thrown about like a pea in a drum and there's so much fog I nearly overshot the field looking for it. Thanks for guiding me in though Xabba, and was that you who told me about holding B and throttling up? Sorry I had to ask for it twice, your mike was playing up, you were pretty choppy all evening.
Anyway, who is gonna be the first to strafe or crash land into Schultz? :lol:

[Raptor1]

Anyway, who is gonna be the first to strafe or crash land into Schultz? :lol:
Dunno about strafing but I'll be the first to crash land into him

Oh, I also managed to land a Bf 109 (mostly) intact now, I think I might be able to get good enough at it by tomorrow to actually land with my undercarriage intact

[Schroeder]

. If it's only a few P.11s and your wingman is covering you then you it's ok to settle, though I'd still recommend the above way of dealing with them.

If your wingman is AI and your opponents are AI too, then the wingman won't help you one bit. He will only try to stay in formation but won't engage any enemy. The attacking AI will only concentrate on the leader and simply fly past the wingman without being bothered by him.:down:

[Fincuan]

If your wingman is AI and your opponents are AI too,

I was talking about our sorties with hopefully human wingmen. I agree that the AI sucks as wingman.

[Oberon]

Yeah, what the hell was number 2 up to in our second sortee last night? All I could hear was him screaming for help and crying for his mutter. :-? Did he even make it back? :lol:

[Fincuan]

He had two P.11s on his 6 when I left the scene. I gave both several good burst with the MGs without any visible effect(except for flying pieces), ran ouf of ammo and got the hell out of there. Didn't bother to ram to save the AI. Those buggers sure can take some punishment.

[Raptor1]

How do you manage to run out of Ammo in the Emil anyway?, It has machine gun bullets like the ocean has water

[HunterICX]

the machine gun fire is more effective to light the P11's engine on fire then the Cannons are to shoot off Wings or other parts of that Aircraft.

when you're going to shoot the P11 try to hit his engine with only firing the MG's
works like a charm.

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

True the Emil has mg ammo like water in an ocean(something like 50 secs of continous fire?!), but if you use it like that it'll eventually run out. :lol:

I did notice that it does almost nothing to a P.11 from dead six. My longest burst was when approaching one from behind, opening fire at 200 meters and firing until forced to break off(about 4 secs of continous fire). Pieces were flying like crazy but he just kept going and chasing the 109 ahead. That's pretty well considering the plane has no armor whatsoever.

[HunterICX]

I think I run a little late, tonight

believe it or not...still at work :dead:

HunterICX

[Kratos]

I think I run a little late, tonight

believe it or not...still at work :dead:

HunterICX

Well get on your moped and ride ride ride and hurry all the way back home ....dont stop at the red lights :rotfl:

[HunterICX]

:-? Red lights? whats that :lol:

anyhow...there wont be any flights tonight, as I'm figuring as soon I get home it will be around 23.00 GMT+1 and I still need to get something for supper so...perhaps tommorow will we continue our Poland campaign

G'night all :up:

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

I'm attending a party tonight, so no flying for me. Wreck a few 109s for me will you? :up:

[HunterICX]

No Flight tonight, after getting some wrong wind from my boss while I work my arse off for that tw*t, I needed a break...so I'm out tonight.

I think we shall continue on full throttle back on monday, so enjoy the weekend my fellow Luftwaffels :rotfl:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/125/schultzqj2.jpg

HunterICX

[HunterICX]

some editted in-flight screenshots:

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2236/number7og1.jpg

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2985/number6iu3.jpg

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3122/number5dt4.jpg

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3407/number4kz0.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9823/huntericxlb1.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/34/schroderlu9.jpg

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4035/number8ba9.jpg

(would the ones without the Names in the screenshot and using a custom skin please identify their aircraft so I can keep that in mind for future screenshots)

HunterICX

[Oberon]

That number 7, first pic, looks like it might be me. I'm using a BOB skin I got a while back, but I'll probably make my own at some point which I'll update with kills, and bits of masking tape where they've put the wings back on :lol:

[Raptor1]

Number 6 (Second pic) might be me, if this is from the 4th sortie

Fin stole my precious number 5, arrgh

So...no flying until Monday?, That gives me enough time to plan Schultz's final demise!

[Kratos]

So i take it were not sticking to the same numbers every sortie? 1st in best dressed, 'so to speak' http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/images/smilies/goggleson.gif

[Schroeder]

How many have you had?;)

[Oberon]

Obviously the local liquor store is shut ;)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8403/skinxi6.jpg

[LaughingSwordfish]

White 4 is me. I will try to make it on monday.

[XabbaRus]

Oh dear. Dowly we'll be here on Monday.

[Fincuan]

Bad day at work Dowly? :hmm:

Sticking to the same numbers each time might not me a bad idea at all, even if it meant "empty" AI aircraft taking the spots of those not flying. Does anyone have number six already "drafted"? If not, then I'll try to use that in the future so that Raptor can have his five :lol:

Oh, and I'll be using this skin at least for the duration of our Poland campaign:
http://staufa.bounceme.net/files/IL2/109skin.jpg

[HunterICX]

@Dowly: I failed to spot the Joke here with all the excesive use of language aimed at everyone here,
do that again and you're the first I kick in the brig for 24 hours

see this as a official Warning.

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

Why don't we all have the same skins with our names on?

I got a few from M4T..

[Fincuan]

That would be a good idea. I've also been shopping around m4t, plenty of good skins there :up:

Has anyone found good references to what kind of paintjobs Luftwaffe actually used in their 109s during the Poland campaign?

edit: Looks like the skin in the pic I posted above is at lest semi-historical for Poland. It's this one: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads2&screen=2593

[Oberon]

We've saved Schultz's backside enough, I'm sure he won't mind if we customise the paint of our planes a little. If he does, well, Raptor has a date with his ATC tower. I agree on the numbers though :)

[Raptor1]

We can deal with Schultz, but what about the groundcrew that need to paint our planes over again and again every time we crash? :hmm:

[HunterICX]

Yep, it would be better for you to use a Custom skin with a number painted on it (name is optional if you can do it)

I will update the fist post with the pilots numbers.
(so please, confirm your number and I put it behind the pilot name in the first post)

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

Can I take Lucky number 7?

[Fincuan]

Six it is for me then.

[HunterICX]

@Xab & Fin - your number is confirmed on the first page :up:

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

I'm number 5

[Kratos]

I think i'll stick with my number 2 ;)

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1763/69674638vz8.jpg

[Dowly]

Red 1 for me.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/red1.jpg

[HunterICX]

@Raptor1, Kratos and Dowly - Numbers have been confirmed on the first page :up:

HunterICX

[Oberon]

I'll take 4 :up:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/816/111dp5.jpg

[XabbaRus]

This is my current skin.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g56/BMCKent/grab0000-1.jpg

[Raptor1]

I'll have to use the skin I've been using last sortie today, I'll hopefully be able to paint on the number tomorrow

[Dowly]

PM the file to me if you want, I can make it. :up:

[Raptor1]

Ah, nvm, I have the skin with the number 5 on it already

[Kratos]

few caps from last nights sortie(2) just before takeoff
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2589/il2fb2008072211210284wv1.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8015/il2fb2008072211211898fh9.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2180/il2fb2008072211213965iq3.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9233/il2fb2008072211214960pi5.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1174/il2fb2008072211215828tq9.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7439/il2fb2008072211220935rt3.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9839/il2fb2008072211222421kp4.jpg

[Kratos]

A few more

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9480/il2fb2008072211282468uu3.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3720/il2fb2008072211290501su9.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9033/il2fb2008072211294750uh1.jpg

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1595/il2fb2008072211301134es2.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5778/il2fb2008072211311037nx7.jpg

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4549/il2fb2008072211312718uv4.jpg

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9488/il2fb2008072211320306gr9.jpg

[Kratos]

And a few more

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6655/il2fb2008072211471232yz4.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1200/il2fb2008072211472110wx0.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4089/il2fb2008072211500651ex7.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3325/il2fb2008072211510723qe4.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8268/il2fb2008072211542621xl4.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9052/il2fb2008072211554554tf1.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9100/il2fb2008072212005223dr1.jpg

[Kratos]

And one last one. This is why Raptor couldn't get Schultz in the tower, he was here :lol:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9645/il2fb2008072211255659zv4.jpg

[HunterICX]

:lol: that look on his face is priceless....:rotfl:

HunterICX

[Oberon]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

"I vonda vhy dat Raptor vants to kill me?"

[Raptor1]

So he was hiding on Kratos' plane? :hmm:

Well, Atleast I managed to get his truck...

[Oberon]

So he was hiding on Kratos' plane? :hmm:

Well, Atleast I managed to get his truck...

Not according to Kratos's track, looks like you crashed just to the left of the tower and truck... :nope: :cry:

[Kratos]

So he was hiding on Kratos' plane? :hmm:

Well, Atleast I managed to get his truck...
Not according to Kratos's track, looks like you crashed just to the left of the tower and truck... :nope: :cry:

The only thing you managed to destroy was yourself :damn:
http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/pasquarade/?action=view&current=sillyness.flv

[Raptor1]

So he was hiding on Kratos' plane? :hmm:

Well, Atleast I managed to get his truck...
Not according to Kratos's track, looks like you crashed just to the left of the tower and truck... :nope: :cry:
...Then I exploded, taking out both the Truck and the Tower

At least, I'm pretty sure, as they both disappeared after I exploded

I really need to record these tracks myself

[Stealth Hunter]

So he was hiding on Kratos' plane? :hmm:

Well, Atleast I managed to get his truck...

http://www.rodserling.com/images/pubTThou01.jpg

[XabbaRus]

Sorry guys couldn't make it tonight. I'll be up tomorrow though.

[Fincuan]

Once again nice sorties, even though the Poles didn't provide much resistance. Once again the biggest problem seemed to be good old mother earth. For some reason a 109 loses that battle EVERY TIME :lol:

Here's a short recap:

1st mission was CAP just above front lines near the town of Pltrqzxcvy-something, and things looked promising enough in the briefing. Some P.11 appeared after a short while, but with us + about 12 AI 109s in the area it was one huge furball with no telling who's who. Our guys drew first blood, and soon there was only one P.11 with the 12 AI 109s(that's how many I counted, there could have been more I didn't see) behind its tail. Us humans kept the distance to observe the results, and surprisingly enough no 109s went down in that engagement. I also saw two P.11s collide right under my nose at one point, so at least we're not the only ones doing the ramming :up: Landing went as usual, with a few disabled 109s scattered around the base.

2nd mission was to bomb a supply column and an airbase in HE-111s with one of us(Hunter?) flying escort in a 109. Everyone took their own 111(my first flight in the type), and at least for my part the result was hardly surprising: no damage to the target. Most of us were damaged by flak, but iirc only one or two didn't make it back to base. Worth mentioning is our escort making it back without a rudder :up: On landing Oberon played "chickens" with the rest of us in parked 111s, and neatly stopped about 2 meters from disaster :lol:

edit: Nice shots btw Kratos :up:

[Raptor1]

I'm pretty sure there were 6 or 9 P.11s against about 20 109s in the first sortie, and I lost my plane because the idiotic AI rammed me...but I killed 2 and severely damaged 1 (Got credit for only 1 kill though) :cry:

The 2nd sortie you guys were SLLLLOOOOOOWWWW, I was done dropping my bombs and getting back to base before you people were even in sight... :damn:

Too bad I took the wrong bombload, those hangers would've felt my wrath!

[HunterICX]

Yep, again great sorties :yep:

We where assigned to attack a Supply collum, the P11's where heading north to patrol the area there.

when I reache the target area, I strafed the front car destroying it and 1 supply truck.
a Flak truck hit the jackpot...it scratched me paintjob and knocked my rudder off.

landing without a rudder is harder then it seems, you'll need to keep it straight before touching down and hope you're able to roll it off the end of the runway.

HunterICX

[Kratos]

Yea that first sortie was some fur ball :o I think i went dizzy at one stage trying to decide who was, frendly and who was foe. ;)

[HunterICX]

The skin I use is from the Luftwaffe Pilot Helmut Henz:

Photo:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6426/henzyr2.jpg


Helmut Henz was born on 27 January 1911 at Berlin. Following fighter pilot training, Henz was posted to I./136, based at Jever in Germany. Henz gained his initial combat experiences with the Condor Legion during the Spanish Civil War. Oberleutnant Henz was assigned to 4. Staffel of J 88. He served in this conflict for part of 1937. The beginning of World War 2 saw Oberleutnant Henz serving as Staffelkapitän of 4./JG 77. He participated in the first battles with RAF bombers over the Heligoland area in late 1939 gaining his first victory over a RAF Wellington twin-engine bomber on 14 December 1939. Henz claimed another Wellington shot down in Wangerooge area on 18 December. Henz served in Norway with 4./JG 77, relocating there on 11 April 1940. Here he gained a further victory when he shot down a RAF Blenheim twin-engine bomber near Stavanger on 30 April 1940. Promoted to the rank of Hauptmann and appointed Gruppenkommandeur of II./JG 77, Henz led the unit through the invasion of the Balkans. Henz encountered Blenheims attempting to bomb shipping at Maleme in Crete on 25 May 1941. It would appear that fire from the bombers’ gunners struck Henz’s Bf 109 E-7 (W.Nr. 1271), who was killed when the aircraft crashed into the sea off Antikythera Island, Greece.
Helmut Henz claimed six victories. All his victories were recorded over the Western Front

if you have a Historical skin of a Lufwaffe pilot look here to find out his history: http://www.luftwaffe.cz/experten.html (http://www.luftwaffe.cz/experten.html)

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

Mine belongs to a Luftwaffe ace called Stefan Litjens:

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/images/litjens.jpg


Stefan “Steff” Litjens was born on 13 October 1913 at Hasselt in Niederrhein. Following a pre-war fighter pilot’s training, he was posted to JG 53 in August 1937. At the outbreak of World War 2, Unteroffizier Litjens was serving with 4./JG 53. On 16 October, Litjens was sent to Wiesbaden as a flight instructor to assist with the formation of II./JG 53. He remained at Wiesbaden until 4 November. Litjens recorded two victories during the French campaign. During the Battle of Britain, Litjens recorded four victories. Over the Eastern front, Litjens was to be particularly successful. He shot down five Russian fighters on 25 August 1941. On 11 September, Litjens shot down two Russian SB-2 twin-engined bombers to record his 22nd and 23rd victories. Later that day, he engaged in aerial combat with Russian I-16 and I-18 fighters while escorting Ju 87 dive bombers in the Romanova area. During the dogfight, his Bf 109 F-4 (W.Nr. 8408) was hit by return fire. He baled out of his stricken aircraft badly wounded landing in friendly territory. He was hospitalised at Riga but lost the sight from his right eye.

Oberfeldwebel Litjens returned to 4./JG 53, now based in Sicily, in October 1942, despite his vision impairment. He flew missions over Malta before the unit was transferred to Tunisia. Here he claimed eight Allied aircraft shot down and flew many ground attack missions. Litjens was awarded the Ritterkreuz on 21 June 1943 for 32 victories. Following a lengthy period of leave, Litjens returned to 4./JG 53 on 17 November 1943. The unit was now operating on Reichsverteidigung duties. On 22 February 1944, he shot down three USAAF B-17 four-engined bombers. He downed a further two B-17 bombers on 23 March. However, he was again shot down by return fire making an emergency landing in Bf 109 G-6 (W.Nr. 440 215) “White 5+” near Gifhorn. He suffered an injury to his left eye which precluded any further combat duty. He remained with the unit until the end of the war and never stopped trying to have the decision to refrain him from combat overturned. Stefan Litjens died on 25 February 2002 aged 88.

“Steff” Litjens was credited with 38 victories in 444 missions. He recorded 17 victories over the Eastern front. Of his 21 Western front victories, five were four-engined bombers.

[Fincuan]

Yea that first sortie was some fur ball :o I think i went dizzy at one stage trying to decide who was, frendly and who was foe. ;)

Talk about it! I dived on a 109 several times recognizing my mistake only seconds before opening fire. During that furball one AI 109 decided to start acting like my wingman(even though I had no control over him, and he definitely wasn't there when I took off). He caused quite a confusion a couple of times when I suddenly spotted him at my deep 6 o'clock :lol: In the end the ****er crashed when I landed; it was funny to hear you guys cautioning "Fin, there's one AI behind you acting like your wingman", followed by a flash of light and KABOOOM! from behind me :lol:

[Oberon]

I tried using the bombsight on the He111 but in the end just thought "Sod it" and dive-bombed the damn airfield. Hit a hangar too. I hope I get credited for that... :hmm: It's my only kill so far... :cry:

As for playing chicken with the rest of you, yes, that was close :lol: I slammed the brakes on and hit full port rudder as soon as I saw what was happening, and thankfully that took effect before I ploughed into you :D I'm glad no-one spotted me accidentally turn off both my engines whilst trying to type in chat...that could have been quite embarrasing had I not managed to get them both going again... And Fin, you forgot to mention about Gorings 111 trying to take the road to Berlin! :lol: And the German bumper car tournament at the start of the sortee. Fortunately, I got some shots :up:

Impressed (!) by the attempt by the Kriegsmarine to disguise shipping using breaking lines, Goring orders our Staffel to try it out. Unfortunately our ground crew didn't quite get the idea...

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3057/crazypaintworkbugvw1.jpg

Gorings private Heinkel. Going off-road, cross country to Berlin.
"Gotterdam it Hans, will someone shift the fat bastard to the back so we can at least get the nose up?!"

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8399/goringtriestotakeoffjc4.jpg

"Our plane is slightly damaged, we need to flee somewhere safe! I know...let's go and lie down on this active runway!!" :damn:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/701/dumbaiay4.jpg

Schroder goes after another P.11 whilst Raptor reports his second kill, shortly before being rammed...

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3385/shroederhb5.jpg

German Bumper Car Championships 1939
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3856/germanbumpercarchampionhy4.jpg

[Raptor1]

There was a traffic jam so Göring had to take the cross-country groundplane instead...

In the first sortie a couple of 109s decided to stick to my tail through the ENTIRE mission, I think one those eventually rammed me

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8360/planes1ps5.jpg

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5435/planes2bj0.jpg

[HunterICX]

I never feel comfortable with AI wingmen flying that close to me....
they're are blind bats...and greedy sods as well...12 AI 109 (counted by Fincuan) on just 1 P.11...:-?

''Mine?...mine..mine..mine..mine..mine...mine..min e!''

-Finding Nemo.

HunterICX

[Schroeder]

If you want to tell friend from foe you best use the "zoom" vision. If your opponent is brown with an visible undercarriage then it's a P11. If you can't see an undercarriage and the guy is green (except for my blue one) it's a 109.

Maybe we should rename the AI into RD. RD is Real Dumbness....:yep:

[Dowly]

I find the 109 to be the easiest one to identify from far. The tail's horizontal wing is square when looked from a distance, no other plane has it like that in IL2. :up:

[Fincuan]

Thanks for the spotting tips and nice pics Oberon. I had indeed forgotten about Hermann's private 111, because at that time I was nursing my own damaged one back to base and only caught glimpses of Hermann. Good thing they were able to stop before that forest, it looked quite dense :lol:

If we get another HE-111 mission tonight then it's killing time: I just learned how to use the bombsight. Bridges, hangars, armor, Schultz's tower, all are a piece of cake to take out :up:

[Fincuan]

I posted some shots from Monday's 2nd sortie in the screenshot thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=907408#post907408

[XabbaRus]

I'll be a little late tonght I'll be here at 2100 BST (2000 + 1)

[Kratos]

I posted some shots from Monday's 2nd sortie in the screenshot thread
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=907408#post907408

nice pics :up: yea i seen that 111 going into the woods as i made my turn for my (attempted) landing ;)

[Raptor1]

I posted a few pics too

Anyway, I also practiced a little more with the 111, should be able to hit the targets now, if we get another bombing mission

[Dowly]

Might join tonight, not 100% sure, but I try. :hmm:

[Kratos]

I posted a few pics too

Anyway, I also practiced a little more with the 111, should be able to hit the targets now, if we get another bombing mission
Yep seen em as well :up:

Might join tonight, not 100% sure, but I try. :hmm:

Dont try ! be there :lol:

[Dowly]

Might join tonight, not 100% sure, but I try. :hmm:
Dont try ! be there :lol:

Ya ya! Wont promise, have to wake up at 5:30 this week, so meh.. :shifty:

[Oberon]

Might join tonight, not 100% sure, but I try. :hmm:
Dont try ! be there :lol:

Ya ya! Wont promise, have to wake up at 5:30 this week, so meh.. :shifty:

Know that feeling, it's not pretty. I usually wake up at 6-6:15 but if I get shafted with an early than it's 5:30. Still, Dowly...the skys call you! Show Schultz what you can do. :up:

[Fincuan]

Might join tonight, not 100% sure, but I try.
Dont try ! be there

Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.

http://www.thelifehalffull.com/wp-content/yoda.jpg

[XabbaRus]

I'm three and waiting, Got through 50 balls in no time.

I just imagine shultz is at the 150 Yard Marker.

[HunterICX]

@Fincuan: :rotfl:ROFLMAO!

nice one :up:

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

Oki doki... so are we now playing Belgium 1940 or what's the deal? Was that just DCG moving us to the next campaign after we completed Poland?

[HunterICX]

I guess so Fincuan, I was surprised myself too that at the sudden we are in a new area fighting Hurri's.

I registrated at Lowengrin (DCG's website) to go ask some questions what factors play a role for DCG to progress the campaign automaticly.
its nice surprise thought.

HunterICX

[Oberon]

Indeed, these Hurris are easier to stalk than the P11s. Although, they're just as indestructable...

[Fincuan]

Cheers :up:

Nothing wrong with Western Europe, but Poland went kind of quick. I guess we were just too good. On the other hand it's nice to see that DCG has a few surprises around the corner :lol:

Those Hurri's are almost as bad as P.11s, so not much should change in that sense.

[Raptor1]

Too bad I missed the start of the real war, stupid keyboard :damn:

[Fincuan]

Looks like Hunter got an answer from Paul himself, and it was what we expected: DCG's dynamic nature. Too bad there are no Unternehmen Seelöwe campaigns, or war, at least with England, would soon be over :lol:

http://forums.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=16172

[HunterICX]

yep, as we all suspected.

that thing about copying Pilots history is interesting (if you dont get yourself killed after each sortie) I'll ask how its done

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

(if you dont get yourself killed after each sortie)


:damn:

[Fincuan]

I had some extra time at hand, so here's a few interesting threads from the JG1 forums:


Copying pilots' stats (http://forums.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=15349&highlight=pilot+history)

Editing Grand campaign (http://forums.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=15861&highlight=pilot+history)

Modifying grandcampaign.dcg (http://forums.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=15015)

[HunterICX]

I had some extra time at hand, so here's a few interesting threads from the JG1 forums:

Copying pilots' stats (http://forums.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=15349&highlight=pilot+history)
Editing Grand campaign (http://forums.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=15861&highlight=pilot+history)
Modifying grandcampaign.dcg (http://forums.jg1.org/viewtopic.php?t=15015)

Cheers!:up:

very handy to make back-ups and to copy if we are stuck in a situation like mentioned in that thread above.

HunterICX

[HunterICX]

Thread title changed and 1st post is updated with the new campaign data.

I called if France because it starts in the ardennes and we are about to invade france (if DCG follows up)

@Raptor1: here's some advice - http://youtube.com/watch?v=5rKo7Tf5YBQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5rKo7Tf5YBQ) :lol:

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

I think France is correct, because the whole invasion of Low Countries and France is often called "Battle of France".

Time to prepare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France

[Raptor1]

Both the invasions of the Low Countries and of France were part of Fall Gelb (The outflanking of the Maginot Line and the actual invasion of France was part of Fall Rot, I think)

[HunterICX]

Fall gelb was the mainblow throught the Ardennes (the area we are currently flying) after that came the second and final phase of the battle of france Fall rot which was supporting the ground troops who where advancing rapidly into southern France.

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

Saitek Pro Flight pedals ordered :up:
Should be quite an improvement over my current method of using a twist handle stick.

[Raptor1]

Saitek Pro Flight pedals ordered :up:
Should be quite an improvement over my current method of using a twist handle stick.

:cry:

Anyway, do you people think we should restrict ourselves only to fighters unless there are not enough or should we also use bombers occasionally?

[Kratos]

Not a lot i can salvage from last sortie last night,seems we took a big fps hit and the ntrk got really fuffled up :cry: however i got a couple of caps of me trying to finish a kill ;) chased this bugger for about 10+ min, put a few in the back of him....
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8899/01fq7.jpg

and when i turned in for a final burst guess what! 'i see tracers' :rotfl: I think i go back to my old ways,shoot any thing that gets in my gunsight ;)

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5559/02pm3.jpg

[Dowly]

Tough luck, mate. :-? And I take this opportunity to ask for everyone to check where the friendly planes are before jumping onto an enemy. Nothing is more irritating than using most of your ammo to an enemy plane only for it to be shot down by someone else. :down:

EDIT: Ow yeh, and dont go for the enemy immediatly if you see an friendly plane overshoot it. It takes 3-5 seconds to get back to the enemy's six.

[XabbaRus]

Kill stealing is annoying though with the guys here isn't intentional.

I had a good one with Hunter last night. I was concentrating on a Hurricane (btw I think they are way too hard to kill DM wrong there) and he kept my six clear. The only issue I had was with my AI wingman.

I put a whole magazineful of MG into the Hurri and he only died when he tried to get away from me after I had followed him to the front.

[Kratos]

Dont take it all wrong! I posted the pics because i saw the amusing side of it,I didn't post to make any kind of issue out of it.:up:

[HunterICX]

The damage model isnt wrong, the armament in those days wasnt strong enough to do stuff you can with Late war aircraft.

back in the days most aircraft where shot down due engine failure/Fire, lost of controls.

the only thing that helps is pounding the engine with Machine gune fire, because shooting it straight on his Six wont do nothing I had a Hurricane on my six and it gave me a pounding and it did little.

dont go head on with them thought, deadly enough are those .303 to kill your pilot.

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

Kratos didn't mean you were having a go.

However it is good and realistic if you see someone concentrating on a plane if you track them and keep their tail clear. Then if they run out of ammo or something you can move in...I said to Hunter to finish him off but I guess he didn't hear.

[Kratos]

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/pasquarade/sicknote.gif

:up: hehe a got the night off...... na na nana na http://imgcash1.imageshack.us/img50/3402/tonguegs0.gif

[XabbaRus]

Considering that given the above pilot's absence we should have one more aircraft left at the end of a sortie than usual. On balance it has been decided that Kratos will act in a support roll till further notice.



Na NA

Herman Goering....

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::p:p:p:p:p

[Kratos]

Considering that given the above pilot's absence we should have one more aircraft left at the end of a sortie than usual. On balance it has been decided that Kratos will act in a support roll till further notice.



Na NA

Herman Goering....

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::p:p:p:p:p

I'll just sit in the Tower from now on then, With a great big gun waiting for Raptor to R.T.B.;)

[Raptor1]

Considering that given the above pilot's absence we should have one more aircraft left at the end of a sortie than usual. On balance it has been decided that Kratos will act in a support roll till further notice.



Na NA

Herman Goering....

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::p:p:p:p:p
I'll just sit in the Tower from now on then, With a great big gun waiting for Raptor to R.T.B.;)
The tower?, you...might not want to be in that tower... :shifty:

GUNS CANNOT STOP ME!

[Schroeder]

GUNS CANNOT STOP ME! Were his last words....

:rotfl:

[Oberon]

Boy am I roasted!! :lol: Sitting out in the sun for six hours without sun lotion...no...don't do it :lol:

Worth it though, Me108, Spits, Hurri, Lancaster, P40, Hawker Hunter, Eurofighter, it was all good :up:

[Raptor1]

Is the TS server off or is it my computer?

[Oberon]

Is the TS server off or is it my computer?

Not just yours mate, mine too :o

[Fincuan]

Yep TS unaccessible here too

[Raptor1]

Then we know who to blame


http://images.teamsugar.com/modules/smileys/examples/The_Villagers_Are_Restless_by_Zikes.gif TO JIMBUNA'S HOUSE! http://images.teamsugar.com/modules/smileys/examples/The_Villagers_Are_Restless_by_Zikes.gif

[Oberon]

Has Goring shut us down already? :o

[Raptor1]

Has Goring shut us down already? :o

Herr Göring vouldn't shut us down, ve're hiz best unit! :D

[HunterICX]

Mmm..something must have happend at Jim's end.

now..try this : 80.34.176.180:8767 for Teamspeak

HunterICX

[Oberon]

Drop the :8767 from the end :up:

[Raptor1]

Drop the :8787 from the end :up:

From the normal server ya mean?

[HunterICX]

Drop the :8787 from the end :up:
try both ways with and without ;)

raptor1: I have launched a TS server us that IP as Server adress

HunterICX

[Fincuan]

Hunter's server is up, "MARS MARS" that way as we say here :lol:

[Oberon]

Yeah, what Hunter said, it worked alright with the 8767 for Fin and only worked without for me. Either which way come on in :up:

[Raptor1]

I'll just leave Xabba a messege on Jim's server then, he's away on there

[HunterICX]

Ow...seems Jims server is still working.
keep trying you'll get on it

(closed my own server)

HunterICX

[Kratos]

beejeez I sod off for one night and everything goes t*t***s up...what you all been doin http://www.simhq.com/forum/images/moods/default/cowboy.gif cant leave ya'll alone for a minute :rotfl:

[Kratos]

Boy am I roasted!! :lol: Sitting out in the sun for six hours without sun lotion...no...don't do it :lol:

Worth it though, Me108, Spits, Hurri, Lancaster, P40, Hawker Hunter, Eurofighter, it was all good :up:
Airshow per-chance? We got one here at the weekend for two days,
The Chinook Helicopter
the Eurofighter Typhoon
the Lancaster, Hurricane and Spitfire
The Red Arrows
the Hawk T1, the Tucano and the Tutor
The Black Cats Helicopter Display Team
the F-16 and the Augusta Bell.
Seaburn beach and skies are to be the stage for a rescue mission where the UK's armed forces work together in a ficticious but realistic military exercise.

The scenario is based on a rescue mission where UN personnel are captured by a hostile force and held hostage in a coastal enemy camp. Live radio calls and special effects will bring the demonstration alive and give a real feeling of how the Royal Navy, Royal Marines and Royal Air Force operate globally.

The impressive 45 minute display will include Awacs, Tornado GR4 and F3’s plus Hawks, Chinook and Sea King Helicopters alongside HMS Southampton and RFA Lyme Bay.


exhibitions including Harrier and Hawk Aircrafts, School of Fighter Control, Eurofighter Typhoon cockpit and the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight trailer.

[Fincuan]

cant leave ya'll alone for a minute :rotfl:

Don't worry, we stayed true to our reputation and arranged some work for the Luftwaffe salvage guys :lol:

Right on the first sortie someone crashed in the beginning of the runway on landing, and my "shot up by Blenheim rear-gunner" engine quit on landing resulting in an otherwise intact 109 parked right in the middle(both length- and width-wise) of the feckin runway :lol:

The front advanced quite a bit yesterday and our guys performed well. The Hurris and P-36s were no match, while the Blenheims, especially the rear gunners, proved to be a bit harder to deal with. Paris, here we come!

[Raptor1]

Right on the first sortie Raptor crashed in the beginning of the runway on landing


No I didn't, I only crashed on the 3rd sortie yesterday

[Fincuan]

Right on the first sortie Raptor crashed in the beginning of the runway on landing


No I didn't, I only crashed on the 3rd sortie yesterday

Ah my bad. At least there was somebody's 109 scattered over the runway.

[Raptor1]

Right on the first sortie Raptor crashed in the beginning of the runway on landing

No I didn't, I only crashed on the 3rd sortie yesterday
Ah my bad. At least there was somebody's 109 scattered over the runway.

Yeah, I do remember somebody crashing on the runway

The first sortie a big chunk of my rudder mysteriously disappeared but that's about it

[Oberon]

Sorry I jumped ship after my takeoff pile-up yesterday, but my arms and face were stinging and I really wanted to hit the sack so I did :)
I got my first kill, and my last because the kill was caused by rearending the P38 I was chasing... :hmm: I'm beginning to wonder if that's the only way to take them down... :hmm:

[XabbaRus]

My first sortie I managed to dogfight with no rudder and half an elevator..

second I got one kill I think but then plowed into the ground...

[Raptor1]

The first sortie I strafed a P-36 until I ran out of bullets and RTBed

The second sortie I shot down a P-36 after chasing it for a while (Though I think I killed the pilot with my first cannon burst, it started acting funny)

The problem with the Emil is that even though you have ∞-1 MG bullets they aren't powerful enough to do any damage and you have almost no cannon ammo...

[Schroeder]

I got my first kill, and my last because the kill was caused by rearending the P38 I was chasing... :hmm: I'm beginning to wonder if that's the only way to take them down... :hmm:
You can begin to wonder about that when we finally meet P38s. They are much tougher than the P36s we have encountered so far.:dead:

The P36s aren't that bad, you just have to use the cannons.:yep:

Another thing that HunterICX has found out this morning is that if you take a bomber/destroyer and you change to a gunnerposition your carrer gets overwritten. That's why I'm an "Oberfeldwebel" again (This is not even the correct rank, since an Oberfeldwebel will not be promoted to Leutnant. An Oberfeldwebel will (almost) always remain in the petty officer's ranks and eventually become an Oberstabsfeldwebel as his highest possible rank, but that's another story...:roll: )...the smart ass struck again:dead:

So always remain on the pilots position when flying a bomber (Lets hope the bombsight position is regarded as being part of the pilots position by the DCG) .

[Dowly]

I'll be happily drinking cans and cans and more cans of beer at our summerhouse for this weekend, so PLEEEASE! Dont fill my PM box. I'll see you on Sunday. :sunny:

[Kratos]

I'll be happily drinking cans and cans and more cans of beer at our summerhouse for this weekend, so PLEEEASE! Dont fill my PM box. I'll see you on Sunday. :sunny:

Little tip m8 ... take floating shoes with you this time :rotfl:
enjoy yourself :up:

[Dowly]

I'll be happily drinking cans and cans and more cans of beer at our summerhouse for this weekend, so PLEEEASE! Dont fill my PM box. I'll see you on Sunday. :sunny:
Little tip m8 ... take floating shoes with you this time :rotfl:
enjoy yourself :up:

Lol, will do, mate. :rotfl:

[Oberon]

I got my first kill, and my last because the kill was caused by rearending the P38 I was chasing... :hmm: I'm beginning to wonder if that's the only way to take them down... :hmm:
You can begin to wonder about that when we finally meet P38s. They are much tougher than the P36s we have encountered so far.:dead:

The P36s aren't that bad, you just have to use the cannons.:yep:

Another thing that HunterICX has found out this morning is that if you take a bomber/destroyer and you change to a gunnerposition your carrer gets overwritten. That's why I'm an "Oberfeldwebel" again (This is not even the correct rank, since an Oberfeldwebel will not be promoted to Leutnant. An Oberfeldwebel will (almost) always remain in the petty officer's ranks and eventually become an Oberstabsfeldwebel as his highest possible rank, but that's another story...:roll: )...the smart ass struck again:dead:

So always remain on the pilots position when flying a bomber (Lets hope the bombsight position is regarded as being part of the pilots position by the DCG) .

Eeep, thanks for the heads up. Was that you I saw get nailed by a P36's wingman? I saw two of our guys go in, the first hung back, then the second curled in between the lead P36 and his wingman, and then his wingman promptly opened fire on whoever it was. Made me wince. :o

[Raptor1]

I think our 2nd sortie yesterday was our best one yet (Wiped out all the French fighters except 1 Hurri, right?) and our 3rd sortie was the wors't one yet (Good thing most of you weren't there)

I hate how they keep sending those Blenheims to bomb us though...

Anyhoosaz, I won't be coming today, seeyall tommorow

[Schroeder]

@Oberon

Yep, that could have been me.
Normally the wingman won't do a sh*t to protect his leader but in the DCG it seems to be differently.:hmm:
When flying coop-mission with my squadron I had already a lot of enemy wingman flying in "formation" with me while I was hammering their leaders, so I don't pay much attention anymore for wingmen. Obviously not to clever in DCG though:-?. But well, that's more realistic and actually I was always pretty annoyed by the fact that wingmen were not fighting at all (effectively reducing the strength of the squadron by half).

[Fincuan]

I think our 2nd sortie yesterday was our best one yet (Wiped out all the French fighters except 1 Hurri, right?) and our 3rd sortie was the wors't one yet (Good thing most of you weren't there)´

Yep 2nd was good :up: What happened in the last sortie? At least the weather looked piss poor judging by the quick peek before my IL2 crashed.

[Schroeder]

Nothing happened. We didn't even find the bombers we were supposed to escort. We could only hear their screams when they were slaughtered by the French/British.
We decided to RTB after about 5 min. or so. It's useless to try to shoot an AI guy down who isn't affected by the weather while your plane is bumping like driving in a Mini over a field of cabbage and you can't see a thing in the fog/mist/rain/clouds.:down:

[Suicide Charlie]

The first sortie I strafed a P-36 until I ran out of bullets and RTBed

The second sortie I shot down a P-36 after chasing it for a while (Though I think I killed the pilot with my first cannon burst, it started acting funny)

The problem with the Emil is that even though you have ∞-1 MG bullets they aren't powerful enough to do any damage and you have almost no cannon ammo...

Emils were known for that. We all know that German aircraft cannons in the early war suffered from poor muzzle velocity. Pair that up with a slow rate of fire and sitting way out on the wing can really make using them a pain. To top it off you don't have a lot of ammo for them.

My solution, as with all MG/Cannon armed planes is to use your MG's to spot your shots and help you land your cannon. That way you're only firing your cannons when you'll know they'll hit. Cannon armed planes, especially with two in the early war is quite rare so its definitely an advantage that has to be used to its full extent.

Other than a patched IL-2:1946 is there anything else I need to play with you guys? I've had TeamSpeak for years.

[Fincuan]

Krhmm... Adolf Gallands eight thesis on gunnery:

It is well known - from gun camera footage and combat reports - that a number of errors, with regard to aiming and shooting are made on a regular basis. It is likely, you have the same issues:


You shoot from too far away.
Your lead is wrong.
You shoot from unfavorable positions
Your coordination of the aircraft controls is not smooth enough
You are not using the weapons control systems properly
You rely on tracers for aiming
Your aircraft and guns need proper adjustments.
You are using inefficient ammunition load outs


MGs have different trajectory than cannons, and MG tracers have a different one than "normal" AP ammo.

[Suicide Charlie]

Krhmm... Adolf Gallands eight thesis on gunnery:

It is well known - from gun camera footage and combat reports - that a number of errors, with regard to aiming and shooting are made on a regular basis. It is likely, you have the same issues:
You shoot from too far away.
Your lead is wrong.
You shoot from unfavorable positions
Your coordination of the aircraft controls is not smooth enough
You are not using the weapons control systems properly
You rely on tracers for aiming
Your aircraft and guns need proper adjustments.
You are using inefficient ammunition load outsMGs have different trajectory than cannons, and MG tracers have a different one than "normal" AP ammo.
It's not that you're relying on your tracers for aiming. It's using all those rules and then bringing in your cannons only when you're sure of a hit. It's falling in line with numbers 1 and 3 more than anything. If you're in a good firing position you should be putting as much lead on the target as possible. Meaning you're fairly close, in turn suggesting that the cannon's difference in trajectory and shell weight has no bearing on the firing.

It also sounds like you're suggesting that the cannon shells are going somewhere completely different than the machine gun rounds. It's been quite a long time since I've playing IL-2, but the convergence point for your weapons should not be so much different from each other that they are coming together at widly different places making this method a waste.

[Kratos]

From the first sortie last night: I got jumped by three hurri's, I was taking a bit of a beating-up so i decided to try flying low...too low it seems :rotfl:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2525/jumped0009fp5.jpg

[Oberon]

Beh, know the feeling, I jumped a Hurri only to find he had two other friends :lol: My engine got shot up but I managed to follow one back over enemy lines and knock him down, only to get a Triple A to the cockpit on the way back :stare:


Oh, and


"Yo Schultz! Pick up da phone!"

[Biggles]

What realism setting are you boys playing at? I get worringly interested of your stories:lol:

[Kratos]

Oh, and


"Yo Schultz! Pick up da phone!"


WHY WHAZZZZZZZUUUUUUP !!!!! :rotfl:

[Kratos]

What realism setting are you boys playing at? I get worringly interested of your stories:lol: afaik: everything turned on except locked cockpit and minimap :hmm: I'm sure Hunter or someone will prove me wrong ;)

[Schroeder]

Minimap-pathes on and externel camera on. Everything else on full real.:D

[Raptor1]

The Speedbar is on too

[Fincuan]

It's not that you're relying on your tracers for aiming. It's using all those rules and then bringing in your cannons only when you're sure of a hit. It's falling in line with numbers 1 and 3 more than anything. If you're in a good firing position you should be putting as much lead on the target as possible. Meaning you're fairly close, in turn suggesting that the cannon's difference in trajectory and shell weight has no bearing on the firing.

It also sounds like you're suggesting that the cannon shells are going somewhere completely different than the machine gun rounds. It's been quite a long time since I've playing IL-2, but the convergence point for your weapons should not be so much different from each other that they are coming together at widly different places making this method a waste.

Of course you bring everything to bear when at close range, but at close range you don't need tracers for aiming the cannons. At long range one might need them, but it's just not wise to use them for aiming because of the trajectory(assuming target is not near the convergence point) and muzzle velocity differences. The IL-2 convergence point is still what it used to be: all weapons converge there. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but it's also possible to set up different convergence ranges for MGs and cannons. Highly useful in for example BF-109E4: wing cannons set to 120 meters for those close range kill shots, and the nose MGs set to 300 meters for longer range pot shots(their convergence doesn't matter much as they're in the nose anyway).

Check out this tool: Sniper's corner (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=296). It's really really useful for visualising different targeting situations and comparing different weapons.

[Raptor1]

Ahh, who cares about all this "aiming" nonsense

Just fill the air with bullets and maimdestroykillkillkill! :D

[Fincuan]

Ahh, who cares about all this "aiming" nonsense

Well I care because I'm a piss poor shooter :lol:

[HunterICX]

Tonight, I'm out so there is no flight planned for tonight.

we'll continue our campaign full throttle on monday ;)

have a good weekend all.:yep:

HunterICX

[Kratos]

Tonight, I'm out so there is no flight planned for tonight.

we'll continue our campaign full throttle on monday ;)

have a good weekend all.:yep:

HunterICX

You got no right!!! :rotfl: j/k have fun m8 :up:

[Biggles]

The tommies never rests, so you shouldn't either:88)

lol, just kiddin':lol: ;)

[Suicide Charlie]

It's not that you're relying on your tracers for aiming. It's using all those rules and then bringing in your cannons only when you're sure of a hit. It's falling in line with numbers 1 and 3 more than anything. If you're in a good firing position you should be putting as much lead on the target as possible. Meaning you're fairly close, in turn suggesting that the cannon's difference in trajectory and shell weight has no bearing on the firing.

It also sounds like you're suggesting that the cannon shells are going somewhere completely different than the machine gun rounds. It's been quite a long time since I've playing IL-2, but the convergence point for your weapons should not be so much different from each other that they are coming together at widly different places making this method a waste.
Of course you bring everything to bear when at close range, but at close range you don't need tracers for aiming the cannons. At long range one might need them, but it's just not wise to use them for aiming because of the trajectory(assuming target is not near the convergence point) and muzzle velocity differences. The IL-2 convergence point is still what it used to be: all weapons converge there. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but it's also possible to set up different convergence ranges for MGs and cannons. Highly useful in for example BF-109E4: wing cannons set to 120 meters for those close range kill shots, and the nose MGs set to 300 meters for longer range pot shots(their convergence doesn't matter much as they're in the nose anyway).

Check out this tool: Sniper's corner (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=296). It's really really useful for visualising different targeting situations and comparing different weapons.

I do remember that you can change convergences now that you mention it.
Either way, I'm not really talking about using my tracers to guide cannon rounds. It's more of not even opening up with cannons until you're sure of a hit and part of that decision was looking at how/when the MG rounds were landing. Like working a boxer over with jabs waiting for the right opportunity to throw your right cross or uppercut.

With the Bf 109E's weapon set up that 1-2 punch combination always took more attention and caution than later variants (The F4 was always my favorite. I've actually never flown any 109 variant later than it). But, that system of checking MG hits before touching my cannon trigger has always afforded me effective and economic use of the low ammo load out.

I'm looking to pick up 1946 tonight and would love to play with you guys tomorrow depending on what time you get together.

[Fincuan]

With the Bf 109E's weapon set up that 1-2 punch combination always took more attention and caution than later variants (The F4 was always my favorite. I've actually never flown any 109 variant later than it). But, that system of checking MG hits before touching my cannon trigger has always afforded me effective and economic use of the low ammo load out.

I'm looking to pick up 1946 tonight and would love to play with you guys tomorrow depending on what time you get together.

In 109s F-variants are my favourite too, and maybe G-2, but nothing newer than that. A real joy to fly, and all the weapons are in the nose making their employment easy. The P-38(all variants) is great for exactly the same reasons.

Feel free to join us, new players are always welcome! A few more and we have a full strength squadron(with no flyable planes after a few missions) :lol:
We start at 22.00 GMT+1 on the GWX Teamspeak.

[Dowly]

I'm looking to pick up 1946 tonight and would love to play with you guys tomorrow depending on what time you get together.

21GMT :up:

[Suicide Charlie]

Hmmm... That's about 1400 my time. I'll try stop stop by on my days off.

[HunterICX]

I would vote for the BF109-G ''Gustav'' 2,

it has perfomance and firepower nicely balanced and has the capabilities to carry some gunpods to shoot down bombers with.

HunterICX

[Raptor1]

I like the Gustav, but I'll settle for the Friedrich if we could just get it sooner...

[Dowly]

For overall performance, I'd take the G2. Simply for the looks, E4. :yep:

[HunterICX]

Well I must say the Emil surprised me in its performance a lot when flying it in this Grand Campaign.

it has good performance, the cannons need to be used properly to be effective and it handles very nice for a 109.

HunterICX

[Oberon]

I'm beginning to think that if I retire the average effectiveness of the squadron will go up! :lol: Every time I get even near to getting a kill I wind up dead or in the latest debacle, captured. :damn:

[Raptor1]

Le Frenchies will make you eat le smelly cheeze now

I managed to kill a Blenheim on the first sortie but got my engine fried (Managed to save the plane though)

On the second sortie I was miles away from everyone else when I got jumped by at least 3 Hurris, I managed to mortally wound one (didn't get credit though) but 2 got on my tail and demolished my Ailerons (managed to bail out and survive though)

[Suicide Charlie]

Well I must say the Emil surprised me in its performance a lot when flying it in this Grand Campaign.

it has good performance, the cannons need to be used properly to be effective and it handles very nice for a 109.

HunterICX

I'm a fan of early model 109's. The E's and the F's are all I've flown. While it has the BnZ strentghs that all 109's have, the Emils and Friedrichs still maintain flight characteristics that seem to allow it handle TnB a little better than later models. Unfortunately the F2 model is underarmed.

[Fincuan]

Has it been confimed yet? Did we get Göring or not? :lol:

Apparently I at least got his plane. When the "Göring carriers" got attacked I was miles away and barely saw the tracers, yet got a "Friendly Aircraft destroyed" message. Did I fly too close to them when IDing a few minutes earlier or what? Even the three Hurris downed after that didn't help because of the "unfortunate" attempt to land without elevator or rudder control :damn: Sometimes one should just listen to Schultz and NICHT LANDEN!

Oh well, the Low Countries are soon done, France here we come!

[Raptor1]

Yeah, our Ground Forces are pushing their way to Antwerp rather quickly, we might even capture it by tomorrow

[Suicide Charlie]

Picked this up today. Boy, do I need some work...

[Raptor1]

Picked this up today. Boy, do I need some work...

Will you join us as we gloriously scatter debris throughout the land and cause general panic and confusion to both sides?

[Fincuan]

Welcome to the club :up: I only started "replaying" this a few months ago having been away from the game for several years, and it indeed was quite far from what it used to be.

Yesterday I think I btw finally learned to employ the Emil's cannons properly. Instead of opening fire at my convergence range of 150 meters, when a Hurri almost fills the gunsight, I held my cannons until the enemy aircraft literally filled the screen. Oh the carnage! The first attack was on a Blenheim which completely disintegrated in the air. The second one, on another sortie, was on a Hurri that lost its left wing from the root outwards. Third victim was another Hurri which disintegrated leaving only the cockpit falling towards the ground, while the fourth and final of the day(if Hermann's JU-52 is not counted :lol:) was a Hurri that lost its engine and crashlanded. Flak took out my elevators and rudder so I couldn't finish him. Cannons :up: Machineguns :down:

A certain Erich H. sure knew what he was doing by getting really up close and personal...

[Raptor1]

Yeah, I'm beginning to think filling the air with bullets and shells ain't gonne do the trick too :cry:

[Oberon]

Whenever I try that tactic I usually follow the cannon shells up with my propellor and cockpit. :hmm: :damn:

[Raptor1]

Whenever I try that tactic I usually follow the cannon shells up with my propellor and cockpit. :hmm: :damn:

It's our Jagdgeschwader 2's signature maneuver!

[Schroeder]

Apparently I at least got his plane. When the "Göring carriers" got attacked I was miles away and barely saw the tracers, yet got a "Friendly Aircraft destroyed" message. Did I fly too close to them when IDing a few minutes earlier or what?
Nope, Göring farted and lit a cigar at the same moment. The problem is that Göring is never responsible for any damage so you were chosen to be the bad guy.;)
BTW the certain Erich H. also had to crashland several times because his plane got hit by debris from his victims.;) And the Hurri has a nasty tendency to explode after being hit by cannonshells.

@Oberon

May I ask how old your computer is? When I look at your screenshots it seems you are running Il2 at very low settings. In case your rig isn't at least five years old maybe we can do something about your graphics quality by adjusting your conf.ini .:D
With better vision you also have a better chance of seeing the enemy. (although I have to confess that rammed several bombers at high altitudes too just before we started the campaign and that wasn't a matter of vision.... Hunter didn't know anymore whether he should laugh or cry when he heard in the TS that I had rammed yet another bomber...:o:damn:)

[Dowly]

Whenever I try that tactic I usually follow the cannon shells up with my propellor and cockpit. :hmm: :damn:
It's our Jagdgeschwader 2's signature maneuver!

Actually, you can take out plane with you only losing your engine. Just barely touch the tail with your prop and the enemy goes down, I've done this quite a few times accidentally. :oops:

[Raptor1]

It happened to me several times in Multiplayer where a player that attempted to ram me ended up dead with no damage to me

[Oberon]

Apparently I at least got his plane. When the "Göring carriers" got attacked I was miles away and barely saw the tracers, yet got a "Friendly Aircraft destroyed" message. Did I fly too close to them when IDing a few minutes earlier or what?
Nope, Göring farted and lit a cigar at the same moment. The problem is that Göring is never responsible for any damage so you were chosen to be the bad guy.;)
BTW the certain Erich H. also had to crashland several times because his plane got hit by debris from his victims.;) And the Hurri has a nasty tendency to explode after being hit by cannonshells.

@Oberon

May I ask how old your computer is? When I look at your screenshots it seems you are running Il2 at very low settings. In case your rig isn't at least five years old maybe we can do something about your graphics quality by adjusting your conf.ini .:D
With better vision you also have a better chance of seeing the enemy. (although I have to confess that rammed several bombers at high altitudes too just before we started the campaign and that wasn't a matter of vision.... Hunter didn't know anymore whether he should laugh or cry when he heard in the TS that I had rammed yet another bomber...:o:damn:)

It's not that old, but I think the graphics card lets it down, let me get a report:


PC Wizard 2008 Version 1.80
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Owner:
User:
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
Report Date: Tuesday 29 July 2008 at 15:01
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<<< System Summary >>>
> Manufacturer : Hewlett-Packard Company
> Mainboard : Hewleet-Packard Asterope
> Chipset : ATI RS400/RC400/RC410
> Processor : Intel Pentium 4 524 @ 3066 MHz
> Physical Memory : 2048 MB (2 x 1024 DDR2-SDRAM )
> Video Card : ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200 SERIES
> Hard Disk : ST3250823AS (250 GB)
> DVD-Rom Drive : TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552D
> Monitor Type : Hewlett Packard HP vs17 - 17 inches
> Network Card : Realtek Semiconductor RT8139 (A/B/C/810x/813x/C+) Fast Ethernet Adapter
> Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
> DirectX : Version 9.0c (March 2007)
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***** End of report *****

[Schroeder]

I think that card is from 2004, right?
That should be able to handle a lot more than what you have right know. How much memory does it have (I think they can have up to 128MB)?

Maybe you should try these settings in your conf.ini:
It's taken from an old conf.ini I used when having a Radeon 9800pro about 3.5 years ago.
But if you try those make a back-up of your on conf.ini just in case this isn't working for you.:-?

[Render_OpenGL]
TexQual=3
TexMipFilter=2
TexCompress=1
TexFlags.UseDither=1
TexFlags.UseAlpha=0
TexFlags.UseIndex=0
TexFlags.PolygonStipple=1
TexFlags.UseClampedSprites=0
TexFlags.DrawLandByTriangles=1
TexFlags.UseVertexArrays=1
TexFlags.DisableAPIExtensions=0
TexFlags.ARBMultitextureExt=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineExt=1
TexFlags.SecondaryColorExt=1
TexFlags.VertexArrayExt=1
TexFlags.ClipHintExt=0
TexFlags.UsePaletteExt=0
TexFlags.TexAnisotropicExt=1
TexFlags.TexCompressARBExt=1

TexFlags.TexEnvCombine4NV=1
TexFlags.TexEnvCombineDot3=1
TexFlags.DepthClampNV=1
TexFlags.SeparateSpecular=1
TexFlags.TextureShaderNV=1

[Oberon]

According to PCWizard:


General Information :
Manufacturer : ATI Technologies Inc (Hewlett-Packard Company)
Model : ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 Series
Bus Type : PCI
Total Memory : 256 MB
Texture Memory : 245 MB
Processor : ATI Radeon Xpress Series (0x5A61)
Converter : Internal DAC(400MHz)
Refresh Rate (min/max) : 56/75 Hz


I'll give that config a go, thanks Schroeder :D

[Raptor1]

Ah, das Bridge is toast, now der supplies vill never get to our troops :D

Seriously, who the hell makes up these mission assignments?

[XabbaRus]

What happened last night? I took the night off to watch a couple of films.

Should be back tonight.

[Raptor1]

Well, the first sortie we split to 4 Bf 109s, 3 He 111s and 1 Stuka (I think that's how it went), I don't know about everyone else but the 111s were ordered to destroy a bridge that's located behind our lines, I demolished the bridge but I got shot down by a Hurri since we had 0 fighter cover

The 2nd sortie everything went as usualy, I managed to kill a couple of Blenheims and RTB without crashing (Though others were not so fortunate)

Now my stats are erased because I got shot down in the 111 :cry:

[Fincuan]

1st sortie there were only four 109s, so Dowly, Raptor1 and I took He-111s to bomb a bridge that was on our side, while Oberon took a SSSSSTTTUUUKKKAAA. The target area was covered by clouds, so we bombed from fairly low level. After dropping the bombs we were jumped by Hurris, and Raptor and I were shot down while Dowly escaped. Our escort was elsewhere tangling with some Hurris and P-36s at that moment. The enemy fighters were quickly decimated, and debriefing revealed that both the bridge and an accompanying rail yard were destroyed(by Raptor).

2nd sortie we were supposed to pick up a few STUUUKKAAAASS and escort them to a target just behind the lines. We found the Stukas fairly quickly, but almost simultaneously four bogies appeared and a few of us gave chase. The bogies soon turned into enemy Blenheims, and just as we started the attack the Stukas, now just about above our base, came under attack by Hurris and P-36s. Hunter called everyone back to defend them, and our guys went to teach the enemy a lesson. I was(again) taught a lesson by the Blenheim rear gunners, and with a wrecked engine I downed one before turning towards home, succesfully crashlanding my 109 with minor damage(=it stayed in one piece) on a road a few kilometers inside our lines.

[HunterICX]

Göring was probally pissed about our way of escorting :oops: those Ju87's.....
they whent down like flies smelling Göring's Fart.

HunterICX

[Schroeder]

I loved it how our own flak disabled my aircraft at the end of the first mission... Perfect hit to the elevators... Game Over but i managed to bail out safely over the airfield.:D

[Oberon]

Those flak gunners have laser sights.

First mission in my STTUUUKKAAA, I took the opposite route to the target to the rest of my squadron and arrived over the target before they did. Dived down to see what I had to kill and found...nothing. Zero, nada, zip. So I circled around the town a couple of times, trying to see if there was anything hiding behind a house or something, and then the rest of the STTUUUKKAA flyboys showed up and suddenly a group of tanks teleported in, so I made a bombing pass on them and completely missed and out of sheer disgruntlement strafed a bridge and then went home while the rest of the STTUUUKKAAAs managed to find themselves some bandits at high altitude and got shot down (well, s'what it sounded like by the radio chatter).
Second mission I joined the unit doing the sweep over Bastogne, nothing major, just a patrol. So, up I went, over I went...and found nothing. Listening to reports of successful intercepts on the other mission out of reach made me want to kill something, so I dived down on an enemy airbase which I'd spotted shooting at a cloud earlier and prepared a strafing run.
First AA shot nailed me straight in the cockpit and killed me. :damn:
At that point I gave up and went to bed. :damn:

One amusing point I noticed, is that the AI always manages to use radio chatter in the correct protocol, even when its about to die. For example:

"This is Eight....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!....Ende." :hmm:

[Raptor1]

One amusing point I noticed, is that the AI always manages to use radio chatter in the correct protocol, even when its about to die. For example:

"This is Eight....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!....Ende." :hmm:

Interesting choice

Anyway, I can't take off with STUUUUUUUUKKAAAAs because of certain hardware limitations at the moment, so I'll stick to He 111s and Ju 88s for the time being :cry:

[Oberon]

One amusing point I noticed, is that the AI always manages to use radio chatter in the correct protocol, even when its about to die. For example:

"This is Eight....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!....Ende." :hmm:

Interesting choice

Anyway, I can't take off with STUUUUUUUUKKAAAAs because of certain hardware limitations at the moment, so I'll stick to He 111s and Ju 88s for the time being :cry:

It's always Eight :lol:

Yeah, the Stuka is a bit of a house brick to take off with, particularly if you're going keyboard.

[Dowly]

As for the escorting efficiency, I had a firsthand experience of it last night. On the first mission, I was getting ready to land my He111, slowed down and all, when out of nowhere a Hurricane strafed me, I did a quick look around and saw 2 Hurricanes. The other one was chased by 3 109s, with 2 of them human players, the one that peppered me was left alone and made 2-3 more passes before it left me alone. :p

[XabbaRus]

If I spot bandits I turn on smoke and call them out. I think if we develop wing tactics it could be interesting.

The flight Monday night was interesting as for the first time flying IL-2 we bounced 3 Hurris, I got one and it didn't even know I was there till it was dead.

[HunterICX]

I wont be there tonight, I have family out of Holland comming over so wont be sitting behind the computer tonight.

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

Waaaah I thought we were your family Hunter....darn...

Thursday will be my last day for two weeks as I am getting an early nioght Friday before I fly away....to Moscow...Maybe I can get a trip to Monino..

[Fincuan]

I wont be there tonight, I have family out of Holland comming over so wont be sitting behind the computer tonight.

HunterICX

You might as well visit them, since the whole Holland is soon ours :lol: