[REL]HMS subamrine Truant playable mod [Archive] - Page 2

keltos01

03-28-09, 03:04 AM

oops, never worked with that, how do you change it ? this boat had 588 downloads :)

post picture please.

keltos

version 1.61 masts (403 dl on FF) :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tjnnl5hmkwj/v1.6.1_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/file/djjvnvtzi3y/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar)

version 1.62 no radio mast (362 dl on FF):

http://www.mediafire.com/file/djjvnvtzi3y/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar

Zwaardvisch 1.91 (547 dl on FF :) )

http://www.mediafire.com/file/idzdmz2zdzm/v1.9.1_Hr_MS_Zwaardvisch_e.rar

Truant Added to all flotillas patch :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/1ynjvyygnhj/patch_for_Class_T_ver_1.62.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=1e856d1e47461c0036df4e8dca141969e04e75f6 e8ebb871)

new damage model 3d (slip into the sub directory of mod) :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/h324nwyezly/NSS_Triton.rar

Regio Sommergibile

03-28-09, 06:04 AM

What if i can't see the conning tower again ? i forgot where there was a solution...:D

EDIT:

Changing unit number in UPCdata worked. BTW my crew is only 10 sailors strong. Have i made another mistake ???:o

keltos01

03-29-09, 01:24 PM

not that I know of, you should have the full balao complement, as the insides are those of a balao class.

try it without any other mod, and/or install last

keltos

Turbografx

05-13-09, 04:59 PM

Hey Keltos,

Have you finished with this one? I think now that we also have Dagon's U-class, someone could do something about a British/Australian campaign.

keltos01

05-13-09, 05:13 PM

Hi ! yes and no, now that I've revamped some of my IJN subs with custom damage zones I'll do that to the Truant too, once I've finished my Type C2 that is,

I think a Brit campaign is a good idea :up:

Keltos

ivank

06-17-09, 05:02 PM

Is the Jap campaign mod is active?

peabody

06-17-09, 06:38 PM

Is the Jap campaign mod is active?

Not yet Ivank, real life slowing it way down.

Peabody

ivank

06-17-09, 06:42 PM

Okay, I now what that is like :)

Webster

06-20-09, 02:47 PM

bump

keltos01

06-25-09, 01:53 PM

bump

keltos01

08-07-09, 02:06 AM

bump

keltos01

11-29-09, 04:09 AM

855 downloads of this file on FF

Thank you !

keltos

Markus

04-11-10, 05:46 PM

Hi: Anyone have an idea what could cause my bridge station not to work?

If I use the mast version I wind up in front of the gun on the deck when I click the bridge sation.

If I use no mast (1.62) I wind up in the air above the bridge.

I use the Generic mod enabler & have tried with just the mod & patch enabled but stiil have a problem.

I have sh4 uboat missions - steam version.

peabody

04-11-10, 11:29 PM

keltos01

04-12-10, 01:33 AM

WOW ! gone then days and my Phoenix rose from its ashes !

yeah this sub was never properly finished, but that can be arranged ;)

with Peabody's help of course ;)

V 1.62 Truant :

http://www.filefront.com/11397248/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar/

V 1.91 Zwaardvisch :

http://www.filefront.com/11004857/v1.9.1_Hr_MS_Zwaardvisch_e.rar/

TMO 1.5 patch for the T-Boat :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/gjmnqhiz0yl/Trigger_Maru_1[1].5_Class_T_h.rar

British mark VIII** torpedoes for the T-Class boat (03-25-2009):

The Mark VIII was the first burner-cycle torpedo in service in her Majesty's Submarine Service.

Speed: 40 kt
Range: 4,570 m
Propulsion: Steam
Explosive charge: 750 lbs. (340 kg) TNT

The Mark VIII** was the second burner-cycle torpedo in service. The principal World War II version was the Mark VIII** and this torpedo was used far more than any other British torpedo during the war. 3,732 were fired by September 1944, 56.4% of the total. This torpedo was still in use in British ships as late as 1983 and is probably still used today in other navies.

Speed: 45.5/41 kt
Range: 4570/6400 m
Propulsion: Burner-cycle, 322 hp
Explosive charge: Originally: 722 lbs. (327 kg) TNT Later: 805 lbs. (365 kg) Torpex

D/L British mark VIII** torpedoes mod :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/zzqmtqkhojm/US (http://www.mediafire.com/file/zzqmtqkhojm/US) MK 14 II - IJN - British mark VIII.rar

keltos

keltos01

04-12-10, 02:26 PM

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7892/11133769.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/11133769.jpg/)

Bridge with TBT :

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8381/bridget.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/bridget.jpg/)

all bow tubes fired Sir !

Bridge view :

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4595/bridgeviewt.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/bridgeviewt.jpg/)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2041/38420265.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/38420265.jpg/)

TBT 10 fore tubes :

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4500/tbt10.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/i/tbt10.jpg/)

loadout :

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8656/61447852.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/61447852.jpg/)

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7505/56490659.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/56490659.jpg/)

keltos

Hitman

04-12-10, 02:52 PM

Love it :up:

I have a picture of a british WW2 submarine periscope, so I know how the reticle looks like, and could do it. But I lack the time :damn: May be in the future :hmmm:

One interesting detail: Although the british torpedoes admitted angled shots, they were normally shot at zero GA (Straight from the bow) or at most with a fan shot, because their TDC was much more rudimentary (It had a position keeper but only to double check estimations, not updating torpedo GA constantly), so an optional torpedo mod that can't turn and will always go straight form the bow would be great.:yep:

Here's a very interesting reading on the subject:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/attack.html

keltos01

04-12-10, 04:03 PM

[QUOTE=Hitman;1357263]Love it :up:

I have a picture of a british WW2 submarine periscope, so I know how the reticle looks like, and could do it. But I lack the time :damn: May be in the future :hmmm:
can you post it and also upload it for me ???

pleaaase ?

One interesting detail: Although the british torpedoes admitted angled shots, they were normally shot at zero GA (Straight from the bow) or at most with a fan shot, because their TDC was much more rudimentary

I know, like in WWI for that matter, a bit like the early IJN system ?

(It had a position keeper but only to double check estimations, not updating torpedo GA constantly), so an optional torpedo mod that can't turn and will always go straight form the bow would be great.:yep:

how would I do that ??? I wonder :hmmm:

Here's a very interesting reading on the subject:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/attack.html (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/attack.html)

thanks

keltos

peabody

04-12-10, 04:42 PM

[QUOTE=Hitman;1357263]Love it :up:

(It had a position keeper but only to double check estimations, not updating torpedo GA constantly), so an optional torpedo mod that can't turn and will always go straight form the bow would be great.:yep:

how would I do that ??? I wonder :hmmm:
keltos

The .sim amun_Torpedo has a max turn angle, maybe set it to 0 ????

Peabody

keltos01

04-12-10, 05:27 PM

here :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/y5mzzmt2kmz/British mark VIII and VIII.7z

add that to the mod and try, I set the angle to 0 on both mark VIII and VIII**

this should be fun !

the file came from this mod :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zzqmtqkhojm/US MK 14 II - IJN - British mark VIII.rar

just in case there's a conflict with the one I included in the mod.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3360/tclasstcc.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/tclasstcc.jpg/)

The British 'Fruit Machine', or Torpedo Control Calculator more accurately known as a "Submarine Torpedo Director Mk.II". Although supplied from the gyro compass this machine did not track continuously and had to be completely reset at each observation.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/attack.html (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/attack.html)

keltos

Markus

04-12-10, 07:28 PM

Ha Ha, And I thought it was me doing something wrong.

New fixes/positions look great - can't wait.

Thanks

Wonder if there are any British uniform mods out there?

cgjimeneza

04-12-10, 08:50 PM

keltos01

04-13-10, 12:20 AM

Glad to have you back buddy

have a book by a british CO, called "submarine commander" by Radm Ben Bryant... they did try a lot for zero angle shoots.. leading by rotating the scope and firing when the targets crossed the line

have you read it?

nope I have not :oops:, glad to hear from you too, :)

so many things to read and do, and our IJN stuff that gets put aside everytime, but sometimes small breathers are required in a large mod effort.

@all : here is the tower view fix, the rest of the stuff will come when it is ready, probably as a whole mod :

d/l tower fix (slip in Objects directory of mod) :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ymzng4jvnjf/Conning_Triton_01.dat

keltos

Hitman

04-13-10, 06:58 AM

have a book by a british CO, called "submarine commander" by Radm Ben Bryant... they did try a lot for zero angle shoots.. leading by rotating the scope and firing when the targets crossed the line

have you read it?The excerpt from that book that deals with how the target solution was built is the web I linked to :DL

add that to the mod and try, I set the angle to 0 on both mark VIII and VIII**That should work, IIRC sergbuto did it long ago and it was fine :up:

Interestingly, the fruit machine worked like the current SH4 TDC (Which is in turn hugely inferior to the real US thing): You made an input of AOB, bearing and speed based on estimations, and then started the "simulation". If the next time you raised the scope the target was on the same bearing as the Fruit Machine indicated, then the solution was probably correct.

Here is the view through HMS Safari's periscope (Note the protrusion on the upper part for the bearing repeater, like in the german periscopes. The reticle is in mils and looks exactly like the first one you did for the Jap subs based on the old film, keltos):

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5498/hmssafariscope.jpg

BTW since the british submarines fought from bases in India and Malaysia as well as later from US bases in Australia, I guess that adding the T-class to the campaign as another playable submarine should be easy and realistic.

Markus

04-13-10, 08:46 AM

Sweet, and I'm off the next two days !
There goes most of the yard work down the tube :)

Thanks

Mark

keltos01

04-13-10, 09:04 AM

BTW since the british submarines fought from bases in India and Malaysia as well as later from US bases in Australia, I guess that adding the T-class to the campaign as another playable submarine should be easy and realistic

both the Truant and the Zwaardvisch already are in campaign. they were from the start, I started a thread a loooong time ago requesting a dedicated campaign :" Reverse Monsun, British operations in the Pacific" to no avail....

I can't write campaign layers, and I feel this sub should have a Dutch/British campaign.

keltos

keltos01

04-13-10, 09:06 AM

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5498/hmssafariscope.jpg

http://www.navalcadet.org/82/tomorrow/submarine/history-w2.htm

nice periscope shot ! thanks hitman ! but I found a better one !!!!!

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8176/periscope202.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/periscope202.jpg/)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6994/periscope201.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/i/periscope201.jpg/)

:hmmm:

http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/britsubtallyho.html

keltos

keltos01

04-15-10, 11:26 AM

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/5372/11thtube.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/11thtube.jpg/)

the loadout in campaign

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9475/11thtubeperi.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/11thtubeperi.jpg/)

periscope view

Midway :

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7908/midway.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/midway.jpg/)

11 tubes is a bliss !!!!

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4906/carrier.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/i/carrier.jpg/)

ooops !!!!!

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5372/11thtube.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/11thtube.jpg/)

warning ! : do not use the TBT with this version, TBT still causes CTDs with 11 tubes...

all doors animations are fixed, so is the position of some of the crew.

download link V 1.64 T Class submarine :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/i4jwmlw2vzm/v1.6.4_HMS_Truant_T_class.7z

enjoy !

keltos

keltos01

04-15-10, 04:48 PM

Non turning british torpedoes add on :

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4136/brittorp.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/brittorp.jpg/)

forgot to turn the boat... :oops: the torps fire straight as in RL now :wah:

though this volley of torps got me a takao... then :

file:///C:/DOKUME%7E1/Besitzer/LOKALE%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-2.pnghttp://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4136/brittorp.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/brittorp.jpg/)
:) :) :)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1374/yamato.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/yamato.jpg/)

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/4136/brittorp.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/brittorp.jpg/)

d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/y5mzzmt2kmz/British mark VIII and VIII.7z

add on top of Class T mod

keltos

cgjimeneza

04-15-10, 08:27 PM

do you recall in Silent Victory...

"we´ll let them go by, they are only heavy cruisers...."

and

"a submarine should have 24 torpedo tubes"

nice work Keltos

keltos01

04-16-10, 09:41 AM

British torpedoes were excellent and the Royal Navy experienced none of the problems of malfunction which so plagued both the German and American navies.

Torpedo tubes were either internal, reloaded from within the pressure hull and located forward and/or aft; or external, located in the casings, either on the sides or forward and/or aft, and which would not be reloaded while in a patrol zone.

Several variations of torpedo tube combinations existed, even between boats of the same class. The standard torpedo was the 21in (533mm) MkVIII steam torpedo, 20ft (6.7m) long, with a warhead of approximately 661lb (300kg). They were capable of a speed of 30-35 knots on an average run of 8,000-10,000 yards.

If you had got the enemy course and speed right--you had your attack team to help you in computing it from your estimations--you knew what angle to aim ahead; that angle could then be set on the periscope. There was a bearing ring where the periscope passed through the pressure hull and you could read on it the bearing from dead ahead, on which the periscope was pointing. The actual sight was a graticule, or line down the centre of the periscope lens.

In WW2 the only fire control settings to be applied to a torpedo in the tube were gyro angle and possibly (but not in all boats) running depth. These settings were applied mechanically by hand from information passed over the intercom from the control room. Speed (high/low) was pre-set and a nominal depth (depending on the season and area of operation) was put on before loading.
During the attack estimated taget speed, course and range were fed into a mechanical angle solver ("fruit machine") which was also provided with the submarine's gyro heading. One of the solutions provided by this calculator was the Torpedo Track Angle, the gyro angle to be applied to the torpedoes. This angle was relative to the direction the bow would be facing when the fish was fired. Torpedo spread was achieved by maintaining a steady course (of the submarine) and varying the gyro angle and firing interval (time between firing) for each fish. The advantage of this was that the bow didn't necessarily have to be pointed towards the target.

The largest salvo in history was fired by Lieutenant (later Vice Admiral Sir) Arthur 'Baldy' Hezlet who, as Commanding officer of HMS Trenchant during WWII, sank the Japanese battle-cruiser Ashigara which he hit with five torpedoes out a salvo of eight from a range of four thousand yards!

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/attack.html

looney

04-16-10, 10:06 AM

5 out of 8, at 4k yards. I'd say NICE WORK.

keltos01

04-16-10, 04:48 PM

I need intel on how they set the giros on the british torpedoes if any ?

it seems they did , then I shouldn't set the turn angle on the .sim to 0

but maybe less than the US's 135 degrees ?

keltos

Hitman

04-17-10, 02:08 AM

They could but didn't, because it was too troublesome. That's what you can gather from reading the account by Ben Bryant in the page I linked. NOt even for spreads, as they simply spaced the firing of the torpedoes.

JU_88

04-17-10, 03:47 AM

@ keltos I have betterlooking and more accurate T-class model int he works since 2007 lol.
I can send it to you when its complete, I just dont know when that will be...

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass-1.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass3.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass2.jpg

Hitman

04-17-10, 06:15 AM

Fantastic looking one JU :o

Would be a blast to see it in SH4 :rock:

keltos01

04-17-10, 09:05 AM

JU_88

04-17-10, 10:07 AM

Cool, gimme a few weeks to get it up to scratch and ill PM you a link to the 3ds & DDs files. i been meaning to finnished it off for ages and its about 75% there.... :)
Though you may want to add the finer details to the bridge your self.... but I really need to skin the conning tower and add the props, stern dive planes and cabling.
No doubt SHIV has a controller for the US fleet boats so you can animate the retractable bow dive planes

Hell I Might try and get it in to SHV also - but probably just as an AI unit.
(By the way, im only allowed to say it better than the current model you use as i made that too. Lamo.....)

keltos01

04-17-10, 01:27 PM

JU_88 's first Class T model :

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4996/classt2modver13tq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
credits on the first post of this mod and in the mod itself.

JU_88's second Class T model :

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass-1.jpg

[QUOTE=JU_88;1363257]Cool, gimme a few weeks to get it up to scratch and ill PM you a link to the 3ds & DDs files. i been meaning to finnished it off for ages and its about 75% there.... :)

yatta !!! thanks !

Though you may want to add the finer details to the bridge your self....

I added some on your first mesh but this one looks, well, perfect !

but I really need to skin the conning tower and add the props, stern dive planes and cabling.
ok

No doubt SHIV has a controller for the US fleet boats so you can animate the retractable bow dive planes

I have already done it for our Jyunsen B which also had retractable planes so I know how to do that :D

this one is gonna be so much better ! the first mesh's tub was too deep for SHIV's dummies

You also need to separate the turret from the tower mesh so we can add it to a new dedicated DG, like we do for the IJN and Narwhal (well like Peabody built for me ;) )

Hell I Might try and get it in to SHV also - but probably just as an AI unit.

Ask Peabody as he already made an AI one for our IJN campaign .

(By the way, im only allowed to say it better than the current model you use as i made that too. Lamo.....)

I liked the first model a lot !:salute: but prefer the new one:yep:

some statistics :

v1.9.1_Hr_MS_Zwaardvisch_e.rar (http://www.filefront.com/11004857/v1.9.1_Hr_MS_Zwaardvisch_e.rar/)

downloaded 992 times :o

v1.6.1_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar (http://www.filefront.com/11387711/v1.6.1_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar/)

downloaded 661 times

v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar (http://www.filefront.com/11397248/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar/)

downloaded 553 times

Grand total of : 2206 downloads !!

I guess people like the model you made ? ;)

keep up the good work and thanks for allowing me to use it in my mod.

regards

keltos

keltos01

04-18-10, 01:55 AM

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/121/tclassmodel1.jpg (http://img532.imageshack.us/i/tclassmodel1.jpg/)

JU_88

can you make two models ? one with the external tubes aft of the tower (8 +3) like this one and one with the forward external tubes (10 + 1) under the tower as seen in the picture here above.

I might then make the mod to have :

Class T model 1
Class T model 2

submarines available

regards

keltos

JU_88

04-18-10, 06:12 AM

I thought about it but its a lot of work, the T class group one had the fore tubes amid ships, no stern tube and a totally different bow design to boot, they remodeled it for the group 2 and 3 boats because of poor performace caused by the bow design. Plus the group one also had different conning tower.
The first model I have made is a group 3 boat, it took months just to get it where it is, and it would take months to make a group one boat - the bow is very tricky to model.
I couuld make a group 3 with 2 fore tube amid ships but then it is a fictional sub, not a historical one.

keltos01

04-18-10, 06:38 AM

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4364/tmod1.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/tmod1.jpg/)

So the bow design was different on the group one boats (6+2+2 tubes, later one added to the stern)

I'm re-reading the Class T boat from which the above picture was taken.

A group 3 boat with 6+2 fore and 3 stern tubes will do then ;)

also from what I read they only had external torpedo tube doors on a few of them

do you have intel or a model for the DG ? tired of using a US one... I just read they used a maark XII gun.

commanders in the far east asked for more armor on it, eventually having a full turret covering the gun.

AA gun :

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7717/aabritish.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/aabritish.jpg/)

Heavier AA gun :

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/2729/59500773.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/i/59500773.jpg/)

keltos

keltos01

04-19-10, 12:03 PM

http://www.mediafire.com/file/fyaznyj0zzm/v1.6.5_HMS_Truant_T_class.rar

keltos

keltos01

04-20-10, 02:09 AM

British mark VIII and VIII and US mk14 torpex torpedo mod

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8697/64139938.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/64139938.jpg/)

There were some common ids on different nodes :doh:

fixed that,

fixed the zon file too (all the calculations are in an excell file with the mod, they are based on the stock hit points of the mk 14 used as baseline)

mk VIII TNT
min 96,1
max 144,2
AP 80,1
max turn angle = 35

mk VIII TorPex
min 225
max 337,5
Ap 187,5
max turn angle = 35

mk 14 US torpex
min 180
max 270
AP 150
max turn angle = 135

This mod gives you both british torpedoes mark VIII TNT and mark VIII** Torpex and the US mk14 II torpex torpedoes that was missing from the game, while retaining the original mk14 too, it'll be available mid-1942.

d/l :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/nyrimlwrzmr/British (http://www.mediafire.com/file/nyrimlwrzmr/British) mark VIII and VIII US mk14 torpex.7z

test and report please

keltos

keltos01

04-20-10, 09:55 AM

@ keltos I have betterlooking and more accurate T-class model int he works since 2007 lol.
I can send it to you when its complete, I just dont know when that will be...

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass3.jpg

you mentionned somewhere that the planes swivel or something, is it like on the IJN subs ? :

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4134/jbbowplanej.gif (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/jbbowplanej.gif/)

keltos

Q3ark

04-20-10, 11:43 AM

you mentionned somewhere that the planes swivel or something, is it like on the IJN subs ? :

keltos

I always thought they folded away like the planes on the US boats.

JU_88

04-20-10, 03:13 PM

I always thought they folded away like the planes on the US boats.

Exactly this ^^

keltos01

04-21-10, 12:16 AM

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8905/0077tx.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/0077tx.jpg/)

Aerial shot at sea (probably sea trials) - Ship Name:Tantalus - Image Date:1943

http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/details.asp?imageid=77&title=&subject=&subtitle=

Exactly this ^^

so like US ones .?

you also need to make the rudder, bow planes (2 separate) and stern planes separate entities, like the tower and the gun turret as they are animated separately. Sorry if I sound bossy :salute:

From what I read in the T CLass book, there were no outer doors (:D) although they briefly experimented with those based on an unsubstanciated account of a Portuguese sub captain saying they gained 1.5 knots in speed with the outer doors installed.

keltos

keltos01

04-21-10, 12:51 AM

Truant

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/849/0073u.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/0073u.jpg/)

In Devonshire Dock with snort fitted (snort mast allowed air to be taken into submarine so it could use diesel engines even when submerged); shows details of snort induction and mast. She was the first British submarine to be fitted with this.

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8160/0075y.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/i/0075y.jpg/)
In Devonshire Dock with snort fitted; show details of snort induction and mast

http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/details.asp?imageid=73&title=&subject=&subtitle=

JU_88

04-21-10, 02:09 AM

Yes all animated parts must be seperate objects (.obj) I am aware of this.
As for the tube doors.
Only the group 1 T class had external tube doors, they were removed for the redesigned bows of groups 2 and 3.

Thats another problem moddling all the types.
Groups 2 and 3 were very similar in appearance, group two has a 'dip' on the forward decking like group 1 and most had the 'enclosed cab' type conning tower.

But between group 1 and 3, only the main hull was the same in apperance, the bow, deck, conning tower and tube arrangement were all completely different.
Also I have seen no less than 4 different conning tower types on various T class boats.

Looking at google images, it seems that some people mistake the Post war A class for the T class http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/images/DOLPHIN4.jpg :)
(The center sub is an A class)

keltos01

04-21-10, 02:34 AM

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/849/0073u.jpg

A type 3 is fine by me. btw do you know, as it stated "installed in 1945", if the Snort was fitted to the Truant during or after WWII ?

keltos

JU_88

04-21-10, 02:45 AM

Yeah but they had to removed the deck gun as having both gun and snort caused too much drag when submerged.
The Submarine Deck Gun was outdated and usless by 1945 anyway.

keltos01

04-21-10, 03:21 AM

Yeah but they had to removed the deck gun as having both gun and snort caused too much drag when submerged.
The Submarine Deck Gun was outdated and usless by 1945 anyway.

in the same line of thought, I need intel on the Mark 3 torpedo computer and the mark I torpedo computer.

Is the mark III post war only ? (I read they could set the gyro 70 degrees on the torpedoes with that one)

What are the capabilities of the Mark one, and dates in service.

Could they set the gyros on the torpedoes and how much when using the "fruit machine" ?

keltos

keltos01

04-21-10, 05:34 AM

I am working with Peabody on a British Deck Gun :

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4060/4inchuk.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/4inchuk.jpg/)

AO map :

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1739/towertnoturret.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/towertnoturret.jpg/)

with texture and AO map :

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8470/towertg.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/towertg.jpg/)

I separated the tower and the turret so that the latter could be added to a british DG.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4060/4inchuk.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/4inchuk.jpg/)

Peabody told me what to do, step by step :yeah:

now he'll finish it, adding all entries etc.. that's all greek to me !

keltos

keltos01

04-21-10, 08:58 AM

As seen here above in the previous post, the gun's tub is too short to my taste..

so I chacked against a good picture :

The T class submarine, p.23 :

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/2764/pictureti.jpg (http://img651.imageshack.us/i/pictureti.jpg/)

picture and model to size :

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7308/towernpict.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/towernpict.jpg/)

I remodelled it some (noticed how the tub was ever too big in SH4 :

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5994/towerkeltos.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/towerkeltos.jpg/)

Sledgehammer427

04-21-10, 10:53 AM

I used to guesstimate the depth of the "tubs" until I figured out how to merge models, I would merge a Gato Tower with the model and use that as a reference.

I can't wait to play around with this and the new model, absolutely stunning JU_88+Keltos!

keltos01

04-23-10, 11:08 AM

British 4 inch DG :

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4332/britdg.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/britdg.jpg/)

New tower

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6856/tmodel1.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/tmodel1.jpg/)

New DG turret :

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5036/tmodel2.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/tmodel2.jpg/)

New .50 AA gun :

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9959/tmodel5.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/i/tmodel5.jpg/)

New tub :

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7268/tmodel3.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/tmodel3.jpg/)

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1992/classtsubmarine.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/i/classtsubmarine.jpg/)

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4332/britdg.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/i/britdg.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3843/truant.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/truant.jpg/)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1260/22592719.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/22592719.jpg/)

New British Periscope View :

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7641/britishperiscope.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/britishperiscope.jpg/)

New British 4 inch DG done Thanks to Peabody. The Class T now has her rightful gun with armored turret ! :)

also : while the game is lacking the .303 machine gun, Peabody implemented the .50 machine gun as AA gun, which is a lot closer to RL than a single 20 mm AA !

I modified the tower according to a RL picture, the original tub was too big.

now it needs some tweaking...

keltos

keltos01

04-26-10, 04:02 AM

reverted to 10 tubes for now, implementing turret etc, testing, then trying the 11th tube again..

keltos

keltos01

04-27-10, 01:18 AM

I reverted to the last stable version in campaign : v 1.62

http://www.mediafire.com/file/doznnc3oyzt/v1.6.2_HMS_Truant_-_T_cla1.rar

both TBT and Periscope view work in this one ;)

I added :

the new tower
the new torpedoes

needs to be implemented :

Peabody's British 4 inch gun with armored turret

will do

then I'll try again, when all is set and working with 10 tubes, to make the 11th tube. one step at a time

keltos

keltos01

04-27-10, 04:07 PM

Bridge view

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6609/t170.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/i/t170.jpg/)

TBT

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4574/tbtt.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/tbtt.jpg/)

British periscope view

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3834/p170n.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/p170n.jpg/)

Class T submarine

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6609/t170.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/t170.jpg/)

British 4 inch DG and turret

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7894/turret170.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/turret170.jpg/)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6609/t170.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/t170.jpg/)

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3457/60099839.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/60099839.jpg/)

Peabody did a lot of work on this one :salute:

He fixed it.

keltos

keltos01

04-30-10, 12:55 PM

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/413/34167278.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/i/34167278.jpg/)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9282/86433019.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/86433019.jpg/)

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7017/59028321.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/i/59028321.jpg/)

read my sig ;)

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1374/yamato.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/yamato.jpg/)

in my crosshairs !!!

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1374/yamato.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/yamato.jpg/)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8600/yamatosunk.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/yamatosunk.jpg/)

Version 1.73 released thanks to Peabody's hard work :yep:

keltos

d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/njdqr1ug5mz/v1_7_3_HMS_Truant_T_class.7z

keltos01

05-06-10, 09:54 AM

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8361/gung.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/gung.jpg/)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1661/chutes.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/chutes.jpg/)

chutes deployed !

I have to look up why it doesn't work in patrol elsewhere than Pearl ??

anyways,

deploying to Honshu, got my first kill !

keltos

peabody

05-06-10, 07:35 PM

I have to look up why it doesn't work in patrol elsewhere than Pearl ??
keltos

Fixed, check your PM.

Peabody

keltos01

05-07-10, 02:44 AM

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4708/asiaw.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/asiaw.jpg/)

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9384/luzon.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/luzon.jpg/)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4194/asiaaa.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/asiaaa.jpg/)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/244/asiag.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/i/asiag.jpg/)

Dazzle 2 patch installed on top of v 1.173

why is the second AA not firing ??? Luzon straight, 1941.

crossed path with an invasion force : 2 Mogami Heavy Cruisers, DDs, troop transports...

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1212/mogami.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/mogami.jpg/)

you gotta love those ten tubes !

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1081/asiacopy.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/asiacopy.jpg/)

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6713/emerg.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/i/emerg.jpg/)

emergency surface !!! OOOOPPS !!!!!

but not that sturdy a boat...

Asiatic Theather of War patch for T Class submarine (v 1.62 to 1.73) :

download link :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4ezzielinqn/patch for Class T ver 1.6.2 TO 1.73.7z

peabody

05-07-10, 04:13 AM

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6713/emerg.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/i/emerg.jpg/)

emergency surface !!! OOOOPPS !!!!!

:har::har::har::har::har: Well there goes the new paint job !!! Bet you "Dazzeled" him. :har:

It's all in the timing.

Peabody

keltos01

05-07-10, 11:25 AM

patrolling Luzon Straight, ships coming !

up scope !

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/715/liner1.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/liner1.jpg/)

Fire 7 ! Fire 1 ! Fire 3 !

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/814/liner2.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/liner2.jpg/)

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9600/liner3g.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/liner3g.jpg/)

BOOOOOM !!!!

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/210/liner4.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/i/liner4.jpg/)

BOOOOOM !!!!
http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4456/liner5.jpg (http://img686.imageshack.us/i/liner5.jpg/)

BOOOOOM!!!

three fired, three hits ! (mark VIII torpedoes)

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/7876/heartd.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/heartd.jpg/)

is this a heart or what ??!!

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1308/sunkliner.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/sunkliner.jpg/)

had to redo it.. she took 5 torps to sink !!!!
hope she's big ;)

[edit] 18765 t :o

out of torps now....

right under their noses ! first time ever I see one of those :)keltos

fw66

05-07-10, 11:57 AM

keltos01

05-07-10, 12:10 PM

This looks great!

Have downloaded, but won't be able to play for a while.

Am I correct in thinking that British subs could only fire their torpedoes at a gyro angle of zero, so the boat had to be manouevred into the firing position? If that's true, I think that would be quite a challenge in the game!

you are correct ! but for the game's sake I have set them to a max of 20 degrees, way less than the US 135 ° but a bit more than RL..

keltos

I play with :
Class T v 1.73
patch for 162-173 asiatic fleet
dazzle 2.1 for the looks

Version 1.73 released thanks to Peabody's hard work :yep:

d/l Version 1.73 :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/njdqr1ug5mz/v1_7_3_HMS_Truant_T_class.7z

patch for Class T ver 1.6.2 TO 1.73 :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4ezzielinqn/patch for Class T ver 1.6.2 TO 1.73.7z

dazzle 2.1 paint scheme :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/btjmtmznmmm/Class T v 1.73 Dazzle 2.1.7z

fw66

05-07-10, 12:19 PM

keltos01

05-07-10, 12:40 PM

Cool, getting the dazzle skin now!

Just another quick Q, is there a limited number of subs you can use in th game (ie, will this mod replace an existing sub like in SH3) or will this be a completely separate one?

Many thanks!

it is an additionnal sub, you get all the usual stock ones and the T Class submarine and the british torpedoes mark VIII and VIII**, and a british DG with armored turret and a british periscope view (although that last one replace the view for all subs)

regards

keltos

fw66

05-07-10, 12:45 PM

it is an additionnal sub, you get all the usual stock ones and the T Class submarine and the british torpedoes mark VIII and VIII**, and a british DG with armored turret and a british periscope view (although that last one replace the view for all subs)

regards

keltos

Bravo! That sounds brilliant; very much looking forward to getting this going!

keltos01

05-07-10, 12:57 PM

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4623/62137599.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/i/62137599.jpg/)

playing right now, just gunned down a large tanker :)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/184/24882700.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/24882700.jpg/)

53000 t total :)

keltos

peabody

05-07-10, 02:09 PM

why is the second AA not firing ??? Lu

Go to the Tower.sim Obj_Turret, I think your fire restrictions are wrong.

Try these on both Obj_Turrets:

Fire[1]
[0]
Trav_min=15
trav_max=345
elev min= -15
elev max= 90

From what I see in the picture, I don't think the aft gun can fire in that direction. I think the restrictions were set for a forward and aft AA guns and never changed. Both of your guns face aft.

Peabody

keltos01

05-07-10, 02:40 PM

A rare view :

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8783/arareview.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/arareview.jpg/)

keltos

keltos01

05-07-10, 04:50 PM

Go to the Tower.sim Obj_Turret, I think your fire restrictions are wrong.

Try these on both Obj_Turrets:

Fire[1]
[0]
Trav_min=15
trav_max=345
elev min= -15
elev max= 90

From what I see in the picture, I don't think the aft gun can fire in that direction. I think the restrictions were set for a forward and aft AA guns and never changed. Both of your guns face aft.

Peabody
done

thanks

!!!

uploaded the new tower.sim :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/o3jkuzudmzb/Conning_Triton_01.sim

slip into objects directory of the mod.

keltos

I play with :
Class T v 1.73
patch for 162-173 asiatic fleet
dazzle 2.1 for the looks

Version 1.73 released thanks to Peabody's hard work :yep:

d/l Version 1.73 :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/njdqr1...ant_T_class.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/njdqr1ug5mz/v1_7_3_HMS_Truant_T_class.7z)

patch for Class T ver 1.6.2 TO 1.73 :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/4ezzielinqn/patch for Class T ver 1.6.2 TO 1.73.7z

dazzle 2.1 paint scheme :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/btjmtmznmmm/Class T v 1.73 Dazzle 2.1.7z

keltos01

05-08-10, 04:09 PM

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/824/tankerr.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/tankerr.jpg/)

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9589/99031349.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/99031349.jpg/)

I now added Natural sinking mechanics 4.0 to the mods I use :)

much better !!! now if you aim your shots they really count !!

a Mogami cruiser that wouldn't sink now capsized !

nsm 4.0 (werner sobe)

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ifg4myzmmzk/NaturalSinkingMechanics_40.zip

keltos

Gorshkov

07-16-10, 04:26 PM

Why do you provide us with the same sub in two separate threads, keltros?

Is there any mod containing British T, S and V-class subs?

keltos01

07-16-10, 05:59 PM

had two different models at first, the one thread with the more replies is the good one ;)

the sub is now integrated in Lurker's WDAD campaign.

keltos

Gorshkov

07-16-10, 07:06 PM

- As for your T-class download what link is correct?
- Where can I find WDAD campaign and what is it?

Bubblehead1980

07-16-10, 11:05 PM

keltos, will the NSM 4.0 work with TMO 2.0 ?

keltos01

07-17-10, 01:24 AM

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1499/sh4img201007270934sidsl.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/sh4img201007270934sidsl.jpg/)

Dazzle 2.2 with Sidslotm's waterstreams :

- As for your T-class download what link is correct?
- Where can I find WDAD campaign and what is it?

Version 1.73 released thanks to Peabody's hard work :yep:

d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/njdqr1...ant_T_class.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/njdqr1ug5mz/v1_7_3_HMS_Truant_T_class.7z)

Dazzle paint schemes :
give you two different black and white historical dazzle paint schemes (see the Dazzle thread)

dazzle 1 :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/njyey3ix43m/Class T v 1.73 Dazzle 1.7z

dazzle 2.1 :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/btjmtmznmmm/Class T v 1.73 Dazzle 2.1.7z

Dazzle 2.2 with Sidslotm's waterstreams :

d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/q2lhmgzf2mz/Class T v 1.73 Dazzle 2.2.7z

as I said, this latest version of the mod and the torpedoes is included in We Dive At Dawn (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170639) a British Far East Campaign make by Lurker_hlb3.

To have a nicer looking sub you then only need to add the dazzle 2.1 paint scheme (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=168935) (comes with a new tower and hull AO map) and you're set to go !

keltos

rein1705

07-17-10, 02:31 AM

Is there a FOTRS friendly version of this sub?

keltos01

07-17-10, 10:35 AM

Is there a FOTRS friendly version of this sub?

nope, I don't have fotrs.. but it was designed to work as one more US boat, so try it out as is and report

I'll see what I can do to make a patch

keltos

Gorshkov

07-18-10, 12:53 PM

- When will long awaited high-resolution T-class sub model be released? I count on standalone mod, too.

- Which torpedo tubes are reload-able in your mod? What about aft tubes?

sergei

07-18-10, 01:18 PM

I've just tried this in WDAD with Dazzle 2.1.
Very, very nice work Keltos :up:

keltos01

07-18-10, 01:40 PM

- When will long awaited high-resolution T-class sub model be released? I count on standalone mod, too.

- Which torpedo tubes are reload-able in your mod? What about aft tubes?

as soon as JU_88 has finished it ;)

keltos

keltos01

07-18-10, 01:43 PM

Gorshkov

07-18-10, 03:02 PM

So we will wait for "The Maid of all Work". :)

PS. What about T-class sub torpedo tubes?

keltos01

07-18-10, 03:49 PM

so we will wait for "the maid of all work". :)

ps. What about t-class sub torpedo tubes?

10 working

11th still not

sidslotm

07-20-10, 12:46 PM

Hi Keltos,

this is an amazing skin, must be a max render.

when we gonna get our hands on it, makes my new skin look really cheap.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4886/tclass3.jpg

sidslotm

07-20-10, 01:02 PM

Hi,

My new paint job. This has gotta be one of the hardest boats to paint, the DDS file system an all.

I have been trying to get the hull to dazzle like the Keltos conning tower job. It might no be perfect, but there is a new luster in the moon light,. Should I camo the boat or not,mmm.

Thanks Keltos for the boat

http://a.imageshack.us/img717/4979/sh4img20100730124357421.pngengineers

keltos01

12-21-10, 08:40 AM

pictures of the Tijgerhaii interior could help model the T interior :

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7987/boattijgerhaai1controlr.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/boattijgerhaai1controlr.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Tijgerhaai (1) (http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/boats/boat_tijgerhaai1.htm)'s control room, 1955 (Photo: © Peter Brouwers). 1+4 = Depth gauges (1 is aft and 24 is forward), 2+3 = Dive plane position indicator (2 is aft and 3 is forward) , 5 = Depth gauge for depth over 30 meters, 6 = ?, 7 = ?, 8 =?, 9 = ?, 10 = Angle of the boat, 11+12 = Dive pane controls, 13 = Depth gauge. Please email us if you can identify any other equipment.

http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/pictures/pictures_tijgerhaai1_1950s.htm

keltos