Tutorial : adding playable units (basis)

[Mikhayl]

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[FloydRoses]

This is GREAT!!!...can I forget pack3d?:D

[Xantrokoles]

Mikhayl U ARE GREAT!

Ok.. I knew this, but thats very very good for newbies:up:

Adn thx for the type two with fully working 3d crew!

[lancerr]

Mikhayl, thank you.

I'm trying to learn the basics of modding Sh4 because like many others I want to add a playable pocket battleship and I want to try to do it myself. I've downloaded S3d and have 3dstudio Max and the required plugins. I've searched the forums for tutorials that walk through the basics of adding a new playable unit but I haven't found any.

If I've missed them,, could you point me to an existing tutorial that covers adding new playable units? If there isn't one - are there any docs that might be an approrpriate place to start?

Thanks and much appreciated.

[Xantrokoles]

Mikhayl, thank you.

I'm trying to learn the basics of modding Sh4 because like many others I want to add a playable pocket battleship and I want to try to do it myself. I've downloaded S3d and have 3dstudio Max and the required plugins. I've searched the forums for tutorials that walk through the basics of adding a new playable unit but I haven't found any.

If I've missed them,, could you point me to an existing tutorial that covers adding new playable units? If there isn't one - are there any docs that might be an approrpriate place to start?

Thanks and much appreciated.

found one (but only basic, the res u got to learn by yourself) :
<here> (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=830088#post830088)

[lancerr]

Funny,

but this post is specifically about modifying existing units vs adding new ones which is why I posted my request.

[skwasjer]

Very good, Mikhayl :up: I'm gonna keep this link and put it up on my own site as well...

[manitoba1073]

Dont have the folder "UPCDataGE" Im using V1.4 if that is what the difference might be.

[Xantrokoles]

Mikhayl:
Although I have the same Typ IIA like u, I am happy with ur verison:up:
Cause u got an man on the flak...
Can u tell me in which file I found this animation or In which file I have to correct something if I haven'T got a 3d crew on my flaks?
Thanks in advance

@ manitoba1073
No matter, u can do this with 1.4 too, but u have to use UPCData (same configuration), and
for the [NEWSUB].upcge file u have to use the file extension .upc
Thats all

[manitoba1073]

I did that as that is what i was figureing. I have used his method yet. Still working on mine :rotfl: FIgured I'd use Mikhayl as a last shot deal.

So far I got it to where it now crashes at the end of loading up for quick missions and it is selectable in carerr and I can get crew and load the sub up but when i go to start and it starts loading up it crashes again. But it is fine with all other subs so I know its the files for the sub and not the game. :up:

[Xantrokoles]

Ok I have the same but Thank u for ur time!

[GerritJ9]

Would this work on the GWX 2.0 "T" class sub, I wonder.......... we could use a British sub in SH4!

[manitoba1073]

tried your way with v1.4 still didnt work. But thanks anyways.

[M. Sarsfield]

Could this also work for torpedoes, so that new torpedoes won't replace the existing ones?

[M. Sarsfield]

Keltos created a Mk. 28 mod, but it takes the place of the Mk. 27 slot. I figured that this info might help him create a new slot, instead of taking up an existing one.

[manitoba1073]

Can you detail what it does ? CTD ?
When you launch the game with the new sub enabled, does it show in the menu in quick missions ?

It doesnt load in the menu of either the quick mission or career mode. that is the crash that happened

Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: SH4.exe
Application Version: 1.4.0.0
Application Timestamp: 4743033b
Fault Module Name: MSVCR71.dll
Fault Module Version: 7.10.3052.4
Fault Module Timestamp: 3e561eac
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00014e4a
OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 52a0
Additional Information 2: 0202fcf2838cfd0098bd86d10d4bc1fb
Additional Information 3: cedf
Additional Information 4: c2b350dd1b6c1655edd726d33430aebc

[keltos01]

i'll look into it, same goes for the jyunsen B beta mod, I'd rather have another option than remove an existing one... more work:oops:

[gimpy117]

might have to add a U.S heavy cruiser or light i dunno, won't have and historical accuracy, but it would give the 1.4 guys somthing to play with and a counter to the pocket battleship.

[manitoba1073]

Hum I have no idea, the problem is that I bought SH4 with U-boot mission directly, maybe that kind of modification isn't possible in 1.4.
Could you upload your duplicate mod folder if you still have it ? I'll take a look and try to find out if it's due to a different file structure or what :hmm:

Thats what Im betting it is its the different file structures inbetween v1.4 and v1.5. I already deleted it all and reinstalled SH4.

[W_clear]

great!

I have a question,, " VIIC for Sh4 1.5MOD " why nobody operates AA gun and and deck gun? Which file has the mistake?

[W_clear]

Hi W_Clear, it is something in the UnitParts.upc file but I don't remember what exactly :-?

Hi Mikhayl.Thanks.

Perhaps I have not said clearly, because my English is poor.

I mean that there is AA gun and and deck gun on the submarine, and can attack targets too.But nobody is at the emplacement .

Is it this file? =========SH4/Data/Library/Characters/MARINE.dat

:)

[Xantrokoles]

Oh damn it..thats all? grrrr
(u know I had the same problem...)

[W_clear]

No problem with your english :up:
I don't know where the crewmen models are located, but it doesn't affect the crew manning the guns.
I finally remember why the crewmen don't show on the guns in Tomi's VIIC, and probably on most SH3 .dat imported directly in SH4.

Here is a SH3 AA gun node (from Tomi's VIIC for SH4):

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1811/s3djl5.jpg

And a SH4 AA gun slot + crewman (from my type IIb) :

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5973/s3d2ab6.jpg


SH3 "uboat.dat" can work fine in SH4 but the SH3 "turm.dat" shouldn't be used IMO, because I think it's the cause of the "transparent conning tower underwater" bug :hmm:

Thank you very much, but I not saw the pictures, please go to this place to upload your pictures .


http://i11.tinypic.com/

[W_clear]

Oh damn it..thats all? grrrr
(u know I had the same problem...)

I am in the question of helping you ask. LOL.:D Hope You add all U boats to SH4 .

[W_clear]

@W_Clear : I edited the post above with the new links for the images, I hope you can see them now :up:

Thanks again.:up:

[d5j55]

thanks this helps

[kungfuserge]

Could you please indicate where to find a German quick mission so I could try this tutorial;
I have my Newsub folder ready but cannot load it (no German mission)

many thanks in advance

http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1508/pu5qxwj3.gif

[kungfuserge]

Hi
Sorry I don't get it.... So I should put the Test Mission > SM13 Testmis into the Mod Folder and What about the NewSub folder ...:oops: I don't see any Test Mission in the Quick mission....should I ?
...Anyhow What should I do to see if my modding is correctly done ....

PS : I have DL a Russian Quick mission with 2 russian subs to choose the NewSub appears in the choice but if chosen , direct CTD

http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1508/pu5qxwj3.gif

[kungfuserge]

I 've got GenericModEnabler and I have put my NewSub folder inside the Mod folder + Test Mission ; I have enable them both .... (C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\MODS)
than if I look inside My Quick Mission menu I still have the same as before , no New sub available and no German mission ....what should I do ? http://www.clickonmyspace.com/graphics/animation/3/TAZ-01-june.gif

[kungfuserge]

http://img1.xooimage.com/files/4/7/5/1-1da4.gif

I can't play with my newSub
http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1708/25dwq3jm.jpg (http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=25dwq3jm.jpg)
>>>CTD if I choose it

the other one works !? Do you think I should try with an other patern Sub (American) so it would fit in the American Quick mission :hmm:

...But I'm not sure about the all the changes to operate in the multiple folders

[kungfuserge]

Ok I'll check
By the way the mistake I think about is regarding the use of the S3ditor
Following the Tuto
There are 6 files to be edited dat *.sim *.cam *.val *.zon *.dsd in the Submarine folder and also 5 files (...) in the object folderif I Remap one ....I have to use the same "code" with the 5 others (for the submarine folder) and also the same operation , but with a different code (at start) with the 5 files in the Object folder
each time I click OK (no random choose) , SAVE ; Close ...
(note that the code is automaticaly written in the other files case)

if this is Correct ; than I really don't guess what I did wrong ; I'll try again tomorrow (I did it twice today:doh:)

[kungfuserge]

Hi again
The TutoTypeII you gave the adress in the very first post is working fine :p; but my New Sub :down:....I was wondering about a file you put inside your archive that I don't have inside mine in Data/Roster you have a Name.cfg (beside the American folder) . Do have I to put it in my folder also....

ps :SYMPTOMS
I have rechecked my files and one folder was out of place , ....so I though that's it and I tried it again and it almost download the game ; but at almost the end I had CTD .... Does that mean something that could lead me to a clue ? (before I had CTD as soon as downloading the Quick mission selection NewSub)

[kungfuserge]

Sorry , I am not sure to understand "fresh submarine" & fresh conning tower files":oops:
Do you mean
Redoing the same cloning using new Data/Submarine/ & Data/object files from the original DATA game ?

[kungfuserge]

I've got the answer of my failiure ( I think) . It's because of the silent3ditor remaping

- When I remap one of the 6 files (OK->save->close) and do the same to a following
the N° in the Remap case is the same as the one I firstly choose, But when I click OK for the remaping the parent id is totaly different than the one I have saved .....so all my file have parents id different:damn: ...No matter what I do I can't have the parent id fitting as you show in the very first page of the Tuto.

Is there some setting to apply in the silent3ditor ? I have the beta0.8

[kungfuserge]

Me again
After few tries that's what I succeed to load :o without CTD

http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1708/xp19nxsj.jpg (http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=xp19nxsj.jpg)

http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1708/9dxb1dbf.jpg (http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=9dxb1dbf.jpg)


but it doesn't look like a german sub .....http://freelog.chez-alice.fr/emoticon/Confus/Confus_47.gif

I have enable the XXI mod (it's a Russian mod I took on a russian site ) so I I could play Quick mission else than with the American ; than I have enable the Newsub and did as you said = Remap freshly the files from the object and submarin folder
that's really weird isn't it ....it surely is a Russian Sub , not a German

[kungfuserge]

Great !!!http://freelog.chez-alice.fr/emoticon/Content/Content_27.gif

Thanks for your patience and help , I wouldn't have been able to make it without the Tuto
It's my first step on my way for modding

One more question : If I create a 3dmodel with 3dsmax or else and export it under .Obj
Would It be able to load it with Silent3ditor and remap it and save it as a .Dat file to put into the game ?

[keltos01]

couldn't you write down what you know, how you do it, we'll start from there.

The part I don't get is how to export the uv maps from 3dstudio.. I have a new tower, textured and all, but can't seem to get it right in an obj file and uv maps... could you take a look and maybe tell me what to do step by step in simple english ??;)

download link :
http://www.mediafire.com/?t0c9zx215z6

2 : let's say I make a cloned Jyunsen B type submarine out of a typ18, if I wanna make more sub clones : typix -> Type J1 sub, typ II -> small IJN sub, won't they conflict with one another if all are implemented ?

[keltos01]

that'll need 6 modifers :
ballast, hull, cables, screws, ramp, deck each with a uv map to get a good result.

[kungfuserge]

I 'm very interested by your progress ; I'm in seach myshelf in importing 3ds max files (converted into.Obj) into Silent3ditor in order to bring my "Home" submarine inside my game and play with it ...
I do not understand how to bring the texture with 3ds max .
I know how to deal with Milkshape ,

http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1708/2rqo7b1j.jpg (http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=2rqo7b1j.jpg)

Could you please kink a tutorial ?

http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1508/pu5qxwj3.gif

[keltos01]

I posted a thread about 3ds tutorial here :
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=135519

[kungfuserge]

Salut Mikayl

It's me again (français aussi) ; I have another problem :http://images3.hiboox.com/vignettes/1708/vj4y991y.jpg (http://www.hiboox.com/lang-fr/image.php?img=vj4y991y.jpg)

I lose my cockpit after few tries locating and editing the .Sim & upc file in search on how to add more torpedoes solution .....Could you give me a clue on what I should do to recover my "passerelle"

merçi

[peabody]

Mikhayl,
Thank you for the turorial, I am trying to learn to mod but I don't think it's going to happen. Too many "nodes" I don't understand, but I'll give it a try anyway.:lol:

But the reason for the post:

Ok, first of all we create a new mod folder on the desktop, say "Newsub", with a "data" folder inside.

Now, let's say that we want a duplicate of the Type IX, here is the list of files and folder that we need to copy from the game to our "Newsub/Data/" folder :

- From "SH4\Data\Submarine\", copy the whole "NSS_Uboat9d2" folder.

Ok, you say to copy the NSS_Uboat9d2 to the data folder. Then later in the tut:

Open S3D, then go to "Newsub/data/submarine/NSS_uboat9d2" and open the 6 files present in there.

So am I assuming correctly that the Nss_uboat9d2 should go into a 'Submarine' folder just like it is in the game? Even though you didn't specifically say to create one. I am assuming that in order for Mod Enabler to work it would have to right?

Peabody

[peabody]

Thanks, I'll give it a try. I don't know if I'll ever figure out Silent3Editor though.

Peabody

[keltos01]

Thanks A LOT Mikhayl, your tutorial made it possible for me to make a stand alone Jyunsen B submarine :rock:

see my FF page.

[keltos01]

Now go to UPCDataGe\UPCCampaignData and open Flotilla.upc with your notepad :

copy paste one of the units' data :

[Flotilla 1.UserPlayerUnitType 1]
ID= F1IXD2
NameDisplayable= Type IX-D2 U-boat
AvailabilityInterval= NULL, NULL
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= IXD2
UnitTypeCommonality= 10 ; to be used when a random choice is assigned
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL

[Flotilla 1.UserPlayerUnitType 3]<-change the unit number according to the number of subs in game : here it's the third one
ID= F1Newsub1 <-change
NameDisplayable= Type Newsub 1 U-boat <-change
AvailabilityInterval= NULL, NULL
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= Newsub1 <-change
UnitTypeCommonality= 10 ; to be used when a random choice is assigned
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL

save

go a bit down and you'll see this :

[Flotilla 1.UserPlayerUnitType 1.Objective 1]
ID= MB11OBj1
NameDisplayable= NULL
AvailabilityInterval=1943-04-01, 1943-06-15
ObjectiveCode= China-Sea

[Flotilla 1.UserPlayerUnitType 1.Objective 2]
ID= MB11OBj2.......


copy paste all missions (9 normally)

change the Unit number to your Newsub1 number, which here is number 3 :

[Flotilla 1.UserPlayerUnitType 3.Objective 1]
ID= MB11OBj1
NameDisplayable= NULL
AvailabilityInterval=1943-04-01, 1943-06-15
ObjectiveCode= China-Sea

[Flotilla 1.UserPlayerUnitType 3.Objective 2]
ID= MB11OBj2.......

save and exit


now open CareerStart.upc

you'll see 4 flotilla files:

[CareerStart 1.Flotilla 1]
ID= C1Flotilla1
NameDisplayable= Penang
IDLinkFlotilla= Penang ; link to ID in Flotilla upc file
IDLinkUserPlayerUnits= F1IXD2, 1, F1XVIII, 1
FlotillaBriefingText=
FlotillaCommonality= 1

Add your ship to each one, do this for all careerStart( 1943, 1944, 1945) :

[CareerStart 1.Flotilla 1]
ID= C1Flotilla1
NameDisplayable= Penang
IDLinkFlotilla= Penang ; link to ID in Flotilla upc file
IDLinkUserPlayerUnits= F1IXD2, 1, F1XVIII, 1, F1Newsub1, 1 <--add
FlotillaBriefingText=
FlotillaCommonality= 1

save and exit, implement using JSGME, you should be able to start a campaign with your NewSub1 from Penang now.

Keltos01

[keltos01]

bump !

[Alex_SoboL]

I copy American Montana BB to the German side. But I have lost radar and sonar. They present in the ship, but in switch off condition and not switch on. In what there can be an error? How correctly to add equipment on ship? Simple copying equipment to sub.upcge file does not give results.

[keltos01]

I think this should be a sticky :yep:

keltos

[keltos01]

bump

I still think this should be a sticky :yep:

keltos

[ETR3(SS)]

I agree, this is definitely a much needed tutorial for new modders and deserves to be made a sticky.

[Webster]

hopefully they will sticky it

[keltos01]

I still have a faint hope that one of the moderators will agree to make it a sticky :yep:

This was the first and foremost tutorial for me when I started modding..

keltos

[ETR3(SS)]

Maybe we should start a petition? Collecting a few sigs around here shouldn't be hard.

[DarkFish]

for me too this has been an invaluable source of information when I first started modding, so you've got my vote!

[polyfiller]

Absolutomundo - this is deffo a sticky candidate if ever I saw one.

[karamazovnew]

Already bookmarked, awesome info :woot:.

[keltos01]

since all agree : why not sticky it ?

keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

I agree!
I just used this tutorial to put the SSN Nautilus (not the jules verne or the narwhal one) into the game, it was easy as pie!

[Alex_SoboL]

So what about equipment? How to achieve compatibility of the equipment at change of an accessory of the ship(radars, sonar's and another)? Sorry for my bad English.

[keltos01]

So what about equipment? How to achieve compatibility of the equipment at change of an accessory of the ship(radars, sonar's and another)? Sorry for my bad English.


those are in the text files, namely the upc file and stuff, but Peabody better answer you that one cause I'm only the 3d guy ;)

keltos

[keltos01]

I just used it again ;) ! easier than remembering all the steps !

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6962/79645110q.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/79645110q.jpg/)


just used it again to make a Balao clone as basis for the Narwhal

keltos

[Alex_SoboL]

To make the American ship from American it is simple. Problems arise at cloning American in German side. A radars, sonars has other names, and the simple cloning does them not by workers.

[keltos01]

why would you wanna do that ? did the germans have US subs ?

keltos

[Alex_SoboL]

A want copy Montana BB to the German side(I like design)

[keltos01]

A want copy Montana BB to the German side(I like design)


maybe ask Peabody, BB's not my stuff :03:

if only the model : import export with s3d cloning a german BB ?

keltos

[keltos01]

bump again !

keltos

[ETR3(SS)]

I believe this thread should be in our SH4 mods sticky!:03:

[keltos01]

I believe this thread should be in our SH4 mods sticky!:03:


glad you agree but I asked for it a hundred times here and nothing ever happened... :wah:

keltos

[ETR3(SS)]

You should have a look here then. :D
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155786

[keltos01]

saw that now... :oops:

[L.T]

where is it :( cant find it op`s post are gone for me...

Realy want to try to make the Akizuki playable....


anyone??

L.T

[ZigmundFreund]

:timeout: What happened with Mikhail's first post??:nope: I can't find this tutorial on Skasjer's site either.

I cant find how to add playable units anywhere in this forum.:cry: Is the only option now is to take all the bits that have been quoted and fill out the blanks?

Keltos, you've been adding several new units in this game. Do you have a copy of it somewhere? Si-il te plaît?

[ETR3(SS)]

It appears that Mikyhal has gone MIA and erased his post before leaving. Very unfortunate.:cry:

[keltos01]

It appears that Mikyhal has gone MIA and erased his post before leaving. Very unfortunate.:cry:


Peabody and I remade it in a new thread, but last time I looked I could not find it.. :(

[ETR3(SS)]

Peabody and I remade it in a new thread, but last time I looked I could not find it.. :(I think I found it. :D

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=165965

[keltos01]

you found it ! :yeah: :)

goodie !

keltos

[ZigmundFreund]

:o:yeah::salute::rock:

Être(ss) you are a legend. You are lucky there is a forum between each other 'cause you would get an ackward bear hug or a kiss right now!:woot:

[ETR3(SS)]

:o:yeah::salute::rock:

Être(ss) you are a legend. You are lucky there is a forum between each other 'cause you would get an ackward bear hug or a kiss right now!:woot:I could handle a bear hug, a kiss not so much. Oh and it's not Être but ETR3.:03:

[ArditoCorsaro]

HELLO GUYS.
I'M TRYING TO DO A NEW SUB, A ITALIAN SUB FOR U BOOT MISSIONS (ITALIAN SUB WAS IN MONSUN GRUPPE TOO).
I MUST LEARN HOW USE SILENT 3DITOR, BLENDER3D, ETC
I NEED TO KNOW, WHAT FILE I MUST MODIFY FOR TRANSFORM THE IXD TYPE OF VANILLA GAME, INTO ANOTHER SUB?
OR THERE IS A TUTORIAL FOR CREATE A NEW SUB= THANK YOU!