ROW and TriggerMaru installation.....

[Stary Wuj]

OK, I want this great mods, installing via JSGME, but which one should be
installed first ??? Of course latest version of this mods.

Some files are overwrited, so I'm asking about any suggestion.....

Best Regards

Stary Wuj

[TDK1044]

I installed TM first followed by all the ROW mods. I have had no problems at all.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Same here, TM then ROW.


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[AVGWarhawk]

I install ROW then RFB. I believe it will not make much of a difference in the order they go in as ROW works with files that TM does not. They play nice together.

[Mush Martin]

I always put in ROW first underneath either tm or rfb.

[tomoose]

the comments above got me wondering. I know I'm stating the fairly obvious here but bear with me.

If you install ROW first then TM you'll get a prompt asking about overwriting certain files, correct? (i.e. the popup says something like "ROW has already modified these files do you wish to continue?..." or something to that effect).

If you install TM first then ROW you'll get a prompt asking about overwriting certain files aswell, correct?

All that to say that the order becomes very important depending on the end result you're trying to achieve. For example, say both ROW and TM make mods to file 'X' which affects the look of waves. ROW makes a much better mod to the file than TM and results in a beautifully realistic wave. IF ROW, however, is installed first then TM then file X will get the TM changes over top of the ROW changes basically cancelling out the ROW influence (I'm not picking on ROW or TM, they're just handy titles).

Is my logic correct here?

[Q3ark]

You have to install TM first, then ROW as TM changes some of the same texture files that ROW changes. If you want to install the 1.7.5 beta patch that Duci has released then install it last after ROW.

Well that's the way i do it anywho :D

[AVGWarhawk]

@Tomoose,

Correct, whatever file load next in line will change the files of the previous mod installed if those files have been changed. For example, if I install ROW then RFB, RFB changes the size of the sun as compared to the sun in ROW. Of course I can load ROW after RFB if I like the ROW sun size better. The are just textures. You need to look for changes in files like AI sensors. These are the files that affect game play.

[Wilcke]

Guys,

Is anyone using the ROW Sub Reflections file with TM....? I thought that one was a no-no...it does want to over write a bunch of stuff from TM.

[Stary Wuj]

Good question :-)

And many good answers :-)
Thank You.

Best Regards

Stary Wuj

[Archie]

Guys,

Is anyone using the ROW Sub Reflections file with TM....? I thought that one was a no-no...it does want to over write a bunch of stuff from TM.

G'day Wilcke, I do mate and it seems to be working fine, I run TM 1.7.5 RSRDC for TM and all the ROW 1.4 compat files, textures first followed by ship and sub reflections, zone mod etc etc, no problems at all so far this end. :arrgh!:

[Ducimus]

See item number 19 in TM's FAQ. Other then that, doesnt matter what order you install ROW and TM.

If you install the particular ROW modlet over TM that i annotated on faq item number 19, what will happen is you'll get stock sub specs, and all that entails. low batteries, slower dive times, shallow crush depth, etc etc.

[Wilcke]

See item number 19 in TM's FAQ. Other then that, doesnt matter what order you install ROW and TM.

If you install the particular ROW modlet over TM that i annotated on faq item number 19, what will happen is you'll get stock sub specs, and all that entails. low batteries, slower dive times, shallow crush depth, etc etc.

yep...its all in the details or in this case item #19..........sometimes just cause it runs and looks good doesn't mean its working good:nope:

[Archie]

See item number 19 in TM's FAQ. Other then that, doesnt matter what order you install ROW and TM.

If you install the particular ROW modlet over TM that i annotated on faq item number 19, what will happen is you'll get stock sub specs, and all that entails. low batteries, slower dive times, shallow crush depth, etc etc.
yep...its all in the details or in this case item #19..........sometimes just cause it runs and looks good doesn't mean its working good:nope:

aaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, theres the rub, RTFQ (Read The F@#$ing Question), here I was all this time thinking everything was as it should be......... bye bye ROW Sub Reflections...... :oops:

[Ducimus]

Theres a reason why i was cocky enough to subtitle said FAQ, "The FAQ nobody ever reads" :rotfl:

The Roll and pitch/sub reflection mod. Delete from it, everything except the DAT files, and you'll have it all. All the stuff the other files do, have been incorporated into TM.

[Archie]

Theres a reason why i was cocky enough to subtitle said FAQ, "The FAQ nobody ever reads" :rotfl:

The Roll and pitch/sub reflection mod. Delete from it, everything except the DAT files, and you'll have it all. All the stuff the other files do, have been incorporated into TM.

Thanks Duci, I'll do that now and reinstall it :up:

[Archie]

So there is one main Data folder and 2 sub folders, Objects and Submarines. All the files in Objects are DAT files so leave them, and in each Submarine File there are CFG DAT SIM and VAL files, delete all the files that are not DAT and I should be right to go?:hmm:

[Archie]

Well, in the abscence of Duci's guiding hand to confirm, I did the above and everything seems to be running just fine. :arrgh!:

[Ducimus]

doing as you described above, you shouldnt have any file conflicts.

[Dutchman 51]

Theres a reason why i was cocky enough to subtitle said FAQ, "The FAQ nobody ever reads" :rotfl:

The Roll and pitch/sub reflection mod. Delete from it, everything except the DAT files, and you'll have it all. All the stuff the other files do, have been incorporated into TM.

I was looking at deleting everything except the .dat files in the ROWSubReflections file as you suggested. I had tried to open it with both wordpad and note pad, and all I see is jibberish. What program do you use to open .rar files such as this to make modifications. thanks

[ReallyDedPoet]

Theres a reason why i was cocky enough to subtitle said FAQ, "The FAQ nobody ever reads" :rotfl:

The Roll and pitch/sub reflection mod. Delete from it, everything except the DAT files, and you'll have it all. All the stuff the other files do, have been incorporated into TM.
I was looking at deleting everything except the .dat files in the ROWSubReflections file as you suggested. I had tried to open it with both wordpad and note pad, and all I see is jibberish. What program do you use to open .rar files such as this to make modifications. thanks

I believe Duc incorporated this into the new Trigger installation :roll::yep:


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[Quagmire]

Here is my installation from what it is worth.

SILENT SERVICE 1.2c GRAPHICS MOD
1_TMaru_Trigger_Maru_1.7.6
2_TMaru_Sound
3_TMaru_GFX-ROW_Version_5
TMARU_Stock_Gramaphone
ROW Sound Effects vs_8
Natural Sinking Mechanics 3.3 Classic
ROW NEW SeaFoam from Jaketoox
RSRDC_P2_TM_v221

Now from what I can tell all the other ROW modlets that you do not see above are incorporated into TM 1.7.6 so there is no need to install them. I checked this with a nifty little program called ExamDiff Pro which allows you to view differences in directories and files side by side. I ran a scan between TM 1.7.6 and all the ROW modlets and the seafoam mod was the only one that wasnt incorporated into TM 1.7.6.

But I am known to be wrong on occasion. Is the above true Ducimus?

NOTE: I did notice that the TLowRes folder of ROW Textures without Sun Halo camera flair vs_5 was not included in TM 1.7.6. Should I install this mod since that folder is missing or am I missing something here.

Thank Duci. U the man as always...:rock:
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[Dutchman 51]

Thanks for both of your insights. I was not sure what I had left to do.

Quagmire, I cannot place the mod you were referring to, SILENT SERVICE 1.2c GRAPHICS MOD

What does it do for graphics that maybe ROW does not do. I just cannot place this mod at all. Thanks

[ANTARES]

Thanks for both of your insights. I was not sure what I had left to do.

Quagmire, I cannot place the mod you were referring to, SILENT SERVICE 1.2c GRAPHICS MOD

What does it do for graphics that maybe ROW does not do. I just cannot place this mod at all. Thanks


SILENT SERVICE 1.2c GRAPHICS MOD is a mod that changes only the opening movie scenes when you start SH4 and has no effect on ROW, RSRD, TMaru, etc. It can be applied at the beginning or at the end.

Antares

[Quagmire]

You got it Antares.

I usually put the SILENT SERVICE 1.2c GRAPHICS MOD first since it is a inital menu graphics only mod and it really doesnt ever need removing. That way when you are fiddling with other mods you dont end up removing this one all the time.
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