[WIP] KDF Liner Wilhem Gustloff

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hello Kaleun´s,

after i have finished my old KDF-Steam "Der Deutsche" the germans need their brand new KDF-Liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"/"Robert Ley".

So iam working on it !


http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/WG01.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/WG02.jpg

This ship is cloned from the normal Liner.
I reworked the Hull a little bit smaler and spend much time on the bridge but some small changes i have to do until i can release this ship.

Here all my Liner´s

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Linervergleich.jpg

Hope you like it !

Greets

Maddy

[bigboywooly]

klasse arbeit
?
lol

Nice work Maddy

[denis_469]

What I see? New excellent work from you!:o :yep:

[Bismarck]

Yay even more negative renown!!!!! :P

[Alex]

Hello Kaleun´s,

after i have finished my old KDF-Steam "Der Deutsche" the germans need their brand new KDF-Liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"/"Robert Ley".

So iam working on it !


http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/WG01.jpg



YEEEEPEEEE !http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8168/cowboyhv3.gif

:88) :rotfl:

Seriously, awesome work, Maddy :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: !!

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5408/drooling3zw8.gif

[Jimbuna]

Looks very promising :rock: :up:

[melnibonian]

looking good :up:

[Kar]

nice :up:

[Woof1701]

Since this ship is being modelled I want to emphasize the tragedy behind this and several other hospital, prisoner and refugee ships sunk in WW2 and put some things into perspective.

The "Wilhelm Gustloff" sunk by the Sovjet submarine S-13 (approx 9.500 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Gustloff_%28ship%29

The "General von Steuben" sunk by the Soviet submarine S-13 (approx 3- 4.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dampfschiff_General_von_Steuben

The "Goya" sunk by the Soviet submarine L-3 (approx 6.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goya_%28ship%29


The "Armenia" sunk by German bombers (approx 5.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia_%28ship%29

The "Cap Arcona" sunk by the RAF (approx 8.000 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cap_Arcona

The "Junyo Maru" sunk by a British submarine (approx 5.620 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juny%C5%8D_Maru

in comparison
The "Titanic" sunk by collision with an iceberg and often named as the worst maritime catastrophe in the 20th century (approx 1.500 dead)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic


The Soviet submarine S-13 alone is responsible for 12.000 dead soldiers, crewmen and refugees within 12 days time noone's talking about anymore today.


I know we're all playing a game here, but when portraying a ship like this, I'd like to take the chance to remind people that behind this ship there's a history of more than 10.000 people that were on her and only a few of which survived to tell the tale.

[sh3rules]

Thank you for the info. I guess the Titanic was partly a sensationalistic stunt on the part of the media (not to trivialize the tragedy, but bigger tragedies put it in perspective).

Since this is a GAME however, in the gameworld I'm just one badass Kaleun :ping:

[GerritJ9]

The translation of the text on the Dutch monument is as follows:

"Victims of the Japanese Sea Transports in South-East Asia

In memory of over 22,000 ABDA servicemen, civilians and romushas killed at sea,
of the more than 68,000 shipped by the Japanese as forced labourers in the "Hellships", during the Second World War in South-East Asia, 1941-1945.

Water does not wash away memory"

[bigboywooly]

Interesting links Woof
Thanx for those

[D.Kruger]

Hello Kaleun´s,

after i have finished my old KDF-Steam "Der Deutsche" the germans need their brand new KDF-Liner "Wilhelm Gustloff"/"Robert Ley".

So iam working on it !


http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/WG01.jpg



YEEEEPEEEE !http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8168/cowboyhv3.gif

:88) :rotfl:

Seriously, awesome work, Maddy :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: !!

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5408/drooling3zw8.gif

http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/izxlvnpcjc.jpg
http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/gmbnyfpblz.jpg


http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/gallery_scalemodels.htm
http://www.modellmarine.de/phpwebsite/index.php
http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/history.htm
:hmm:

[Hunter]

The Soviet submarine S-13 alone is responsible for 12.000 dead soldiers, crewmen and refugees within 12 days time noone's talking about anymore today.
Actually, the story of S-13 is well know in Russia. There were several documentaries and a movie "The next to the god' last year. S-13 was the only S-class submarine that suevived during the war in Baltic. It's captain Marinesko is usually belivedto be a victim of Stalin's regime since it wasn't awarded for thinking Wilhelm Gistloff and later removed from military service, staying unfamous, while being the most successful Soviet submariner of WW2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Gustloff_%28ship%29
Actually, WG should be colored into grey for the wartime.

to D.Kruger
Could you please post a to the source of this drawing? If there are any other I want them to my collection of ww2 ships.
http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/gmbnyfpblz.jpg

[D.Kruger]

The Soviet submarine S-13 alone is responsible for 12.000 dead soldiers, crewmen and refugees within 12 days time noone's talking about anymore today.
Actually, the story of S-13 is well know in Russia. There were several documentaries and a movie "The next to the god' last year. S-13 was the only S-class submarine that suevived during the war in Baltic. It's captain Marinesko is usually belivedto be a victim of Stalin's regime since it wasn't awarded for thinking Wilhelm Gistloff and later removed from military service, staying unfamous, while being the most successful Soviet submariner of WW2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Gustloff_%28ship%29
Actually, WG should be colored into grey for the wartime.

to D.Kruger
Could you please post a to the source of this drawing? If there are any other I want them to my collection of ww2 ships.
http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/gmbnyfpblz.jpg

This drawing here
http://sabaoth.infoserve.pl/danzig-online/gustloff/gustloff.html

Good drawings "Wilhelm Gustloff" are necessary for me :damn:

[Woof1701]

Well I agree on the point that Marinesko was a victim of Stalin's regime but who in Russia wasn't? From Marinesko's point of view he certainly was a war hero and should have been rewarded as such, especially since his fellow captain of L-3 who sank the Goya was awarded that honor.

However I personally still have problems with attacking ships carrying refugees, wounded and POWs, so I feel strongly that each of the attacks mentioned above was completely unnecessary when it comes to achieving your goal of winning the war, since the fast majority of the people carried on those ships weren't part of the war anymore in any case and since the war was almost over to begin with.

I'd like to give the crew of the British sub as well as the pilots attacking the Cap Arcona, the benefit of the doubt since the pilots were surely ordered to attack that ship and the sub crew couldn't know who was on board. Nevertheless Marinesko surely knew the Russian troops were advancing on Gotenhafen and lay in wait for a refugee ship to leave the harbor. And he did the same again twelve days later. Not very heroic in my opinion. If I remember correctly the German sub attacking the Laconia thinking it was a troop transport and finding out it also carried Italian POWs tried to help and saved hundreds of POWs which eventually led to the uboats flying the Red Cross and broadcasting a message of truce, being attacked by U.S. aircraft.

[Hunter]

couldn't know who was on board.

I quated a "Stalin's regims victim" just to highlight that many things could be seen from various point of view. Possible he wasn't awarded because of too slic moral aspects of the event, may be for his personal problems in relations with officers from higher staff, or as he loved girls and drinks more than it was allowed to a Soviet officer. Still, he is the luckiest Soviet submariner. It's for sure, he couldn't know who was on Willhelm Gustloff and his duty was to attack enemy shipment in the area. Becides, the ship was sailing under guard of naval vessels that made it a legal target, and the Germans used it to evacute troops along with refugees.
In any case this event of history could be included into campaign since we have both AI S class submarine and WG. Possible, someone will be lucky to get there in time and made some chages.


This drawing here
http://sabaoth.infoserve.pl/danzig-o.../gustloff.html (http://sabaoth.infoserve.pl/danzig-online/gustloff/gustloff.html)


Thank you, I belive my WWII reference books are still much uncomplete.

[Woof1701]

I quated a "Stalin's regims victim" just to highlight that many things could be seen from various point of view. Possible he wasn't awarded because of too slic moral aspects of the event, may be for his personal problems in relations with officers from higher staff, or as he loved girls and drinks more than it was allowed to a Soviet officer. Still, he is the luckiest Soviet submariner. It's for sure, he couldn't know who was on Willhelm Gustloff and his duty was to attack enemy shipment in the area. Becides, the ship was sailing under guard of naval vessels that made it a legal target, and the Germans used it to evacute troops along with refugees.
In any case this event of history could be included into campaign since we have both AI S class submarine and WG. Possible, someone will be lucky to get there in time and made some chages.

From what I read of Marinesko I believe his lack of discipline in the years before were the main reasons for his not being promoted, but Stalin's regime might also have influenced that.
That the Wilhelm Gustloff also transported troups is basically correct, and she wasn't designated a hospital ship anymore and was escorted. However the number of refugees on board was more than ten times that of the troups.
Just following orders isn't exactly an excuse for everything but it is also true that we cannot say for certain what Merinesko knew and didn't know about the passengers. I also won't give him any personal responsibility, but having known that the first ship he sank had so many refugees abord (and he would've heard them scream and die in the water) and still attacking a second refugee ship lets me conclude that he didn't care much for the loss of life of innocent bystanders. And I'm also fairly sure he would have attacked with no escorts as well.

We both know both the German Army and the Russian Army did some terrible attrocities conquering each others land and we probably both still have living relatives who experienced that firsthand.
Luckily my family fled East Prussia by train and not with the Gustloff. And even more luckily that time is finally over!

[Hunter]

Agree, but we neither should make him a monster, nor a war criminal it was just a daily routine of that horrible time.

[sh3rules]

Nevertheless Marinesko surely knew the Russian troops were advancing on Gotenhafen and lay in wait for a refugee ship to leave the harbor. And he did the same again twelve days later. Not very heroic in my opinion.

If it's true, then I have to agree that it's not particularly heroic. However, I don't know if it's posible to wage a "clean" war on that massive scale. That was not the first mistake anyone made in a war, and it certainly wasn't the last. One thing I never understood was the attack on Dresden, but that has nothing to do with submarines.

I wish that this thread doesn't get too gloomy, however. And those ships look great!

[Woof1701]

Agree, but we neither should make him a monster, nor a war criminal it was just a daily routine of that horrible time.

Agreed. Was never my intention to make him a monster.

[Woof1701]

If it's true, then I have to agree that it's not particularly heroic. However, I don't know if it's posible to wage a "clean" war on that massive scale. That was not the first mistake anyone made in a war, and it certainly wasn't the last. One thing I never understood was the attack on Dresden, but that has nothing to do with submarines.

I wish that this thread doesn't get too gloomy, however. And those ships look great!

Well neither party was interested in a clean war. The Germans did terrible things to Polish and Russian civilians which many deemed to be below them and thus not worthy to be protected and the Russian paid them back pretty good. And in my opinion Desden (and other German cities) was part revenge by the British for attacking London and part the philosophy that a people can be turned against its leaders by destroying their cities. As we all know: it didn't work. Neither in WW2 nor in Vietnam.

[sh3rules]

As far as I'm concerned: Vietnam = Can of Worms.

This is not an attack on you Woof1701, but rather my opinion on this very thorny subject.

[Woof1701]

As far as I'm concerned: Vietnam = Can of Worms.

This is not an attack on you Woof1701, but rather my opinion on this very thorny subject.

You're right there. Didn't want to talk about it in particular anyway. Was just meant as an example of a war practice against civilians that was practised in various wars without any results.

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hello Kaleun´s


here some pictures of the overworked Version !

http://forum-uwaffe.opel-club-saarburg-ev.de/downloads/Modpack2007/Bilder/Gustloff1.jpg

http://forum-uwaffe.opel-club-saarburg-ev.de/downloads/Modpack2007/Bilder/Gustloff2.jpg

http://forum-uwaffe.opel-club-saarburg-ev.de/downloads/Modpack2007/Bilder/Gustloff3.jpg

Thanx to D.Kruger for posting immages of the ship !


Hope i can release this ship soon

Greets

Maddy

[A6Intruder]

Hi Maddy,
would it be possible to give "her" the green stripe around the hull and maybe a shipname on the skin??
It would make her nearly perfekt.:rock:
Kind regards and many thanks.

[sh3rules]

I remember that a name would be mirrored on the other side. Or maybe I couldn't leave that bottle alone.

[coronas]

An Hospital Ship version would be great! Great work, Max! :up:

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hi Maddy,
would it be possible to give "her" the green stripe around the hull and maybe a shipname on the skin??
It would make her nearly perfekt.:rock:
Kind regards and many thanks.

Hi,

an Hospital-Version is in work but the name will repeat so badly on the hull so i cant do that.

Greets

Maddy

[U49]

G]
Here all my Liner´s

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Linervergleich.jpg

Hope you like it !

YES! I like them, for sure.

Fantastic SEA PARADE :)

[Bismarck]

Will it have a hospital ship version?

[A6Intruder]

Will it have a hospital ship version?


See Maddys last post!:lol:
Kind regards

[AOTD_MadMax]

Here is the first Hospital-Version !

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GRK1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GRK2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GRK3.jpg

I will rework it until release cause the green band must be higher and without the red cross !



Greets

Maddy

[Jimbuna]

Nice :up:

[Bismarck]

I simply love it. The stunning graphics are just so brilliant. Its very detailed as well.
Negative renown ?

[D.Kruger]

Here is the first Hospital-Version !

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GRK1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GRK2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GRK3.jpg

I will rework it until release cause the green band must be higher and without the red cross !



Greets

Maddy

http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/aeynbhpnyu.jpg
http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/cuhfyahgtv.jpg
http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/spwoenftsg.jpg

http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/gallery_scalemodels.htm
It is Baltic Titanic try ...:yep: :rock:

[AOTD_MadMax]

News from the Gustloff !

Now the ship looks this way !

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GustR1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GustR2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GustR3.jpg




Now i got a Problem with the Flag. There is no Flag on the ship and i dunno why ? :damn:

Greets

Maddy

[Tomi_099]

Wunderschöööön :up:
Du Musst die Flagge aus dem Boot holen,
dazu brauchst den Schlüssel, und der befindet sich im Pack3D.
( Achsen vertaucht -Macht Pack3D ganz gern beim Exportieren )
Oder die Flagge befindet sich zu tief .

Good Lack !!!

You must get the flag from the boat,
in addition the key needs, and is in the Pack3D.
(Axles dips - power Pack3D completely gladly when exporting)
Or the flag is too deeply.

[iambecomelife]

Try raising the "Y" coordinate of the flag - it may be inside the hull.

[D.Kruger]

News from the Gustloff !

Now the ship looks this way !

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GustR1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GustR2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/GustR3.jpg




Now i got a Problem with the Flag. There is no Flag on the ship and i dunno why ? :damn:

Greets

Maddy
http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/fouxxarwpq.jpg

:rock:

[AOTD_MadMax]

Thanx D.Kruger fore your work with the pictures !
Its given me inspirations.

Some things i cant work out like the stern.

Now the ship is to 95 % ready fore release.
I have worke out the mastposition, the bridgedesign and the front of the deckhouse and the position of the stern pipes near the sternmast.
The Problem with the flag already exist. I tryed to elevate the Y coardinates of the node but flag didnt apear. :damn:

Here some new pictures :

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustwip1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustwip2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gutswip5.jpg

Some Details :

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustwip4.jpg


I hope that someone can help me with the Flagproblem.

Greets

Maddy

[coronas]

The bridge looks perfect for some crew on duty....:up:

[D.Kruger]

Thanx D.Kruger fore your work with the pictures !
Its given me inspirations.

Some things i cant work out like the stern.

Now the ship is to 95 % ready fore release.
I have worke out the mastposition, the bridgedesign and the front of the deckhouse and the position of the stern pipes near the sternmast.
The Problem with the flag already exist. I tryed to elevate the Y coardinates of the node but flag didnt apear. :damn:

Here some new pictures :

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustwip1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustwip2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gutswip5.jpg

Some Details :

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustwip4.jpg


I hope that someone can help me with the Flagproblem.

Greets

Maddy

http://static3.filefront.com/images/personal/d/DKruger/95721/bzitnajzqr.jpg

:up: :up: :up: :rock:

[bigboywooly]

I hope you will do a non hospital skin also Maddy


Nov 20, 1940 Served as an accomodation ship for the 2.Unterseeboote-Lehr-Division in Gotenhafen.

Nov, 1940 - Jan, 1945 The Gustloff was anchored in Gotenhafen and did not leave the harbor for 4 years, serving in various barrack ship and accomodation ship postions within the harbor


http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmg8.jpg

Rare color photo of the Gustloff at anchor in Gotenhafen

http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmgustloff.html

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hello Kaleun´s,

i have totaly reworked the Gustloff so this ship is nearly 99% to release.

1.) Stern reworked

2.) Deckhouse totally reworked

3.) Barcas totally reworked

4.) Positions and design of Pipes reworked

Many thanx to D.Kruger for helping me to create this ship by posting nice pictures of an Gustloffmodell.

Here the Pictures :

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig3.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig4.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig5.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig6.jpg

I only have to overwork some Skindetails and some very small changes but i need help cause the problem with the flag already exist :damn:

Maybee BBW can help me by hexediting this stuff ? :hmm:

I hope it can be fixed.

@ BBW

I made to ships, one early war version in original KDF-Design and another late war version in Redcross-Design.
I think thats the best way to handle this ship in editor !

Greets

Maddy

[bigboywooly]

Send me the files will take a look Maddy

Maybe the way to go with the skins is use SH3Commander date folders to change them
It should have a Red Cross skin up till 40 then a plain white\gey one as sat in Gotenhafen not moving
Then goes back to a Red cross skin Jan 45 when it gets sunk

Send me the files anyway and will look at the flag

Of course you can use the second version as another liner :up:

[AOTD_MadMax]

Send me the files will take a look Maddy

Maybe the way to go with the skins is use SH3Commander date folders to change them
It should have a Red Cross skin up till 40 then a plain white\gey one as sat in Gotenhafen not moving
Then goes back to a Red cross skin Jan 45 when it gets sunk

Send me the files anyway and will look at the flag

Of course you can use the second version as another liner :up:

Hi BBW,

you got an mail with all files !
I hope you can fix it with minimal work :roll:

Thanx fore your offer mate :up:

Greets

Maddy

[iambecomelife]

Excellent - it's one of the most historically accurate liners built for the game so far. :up: The awning frame that is below the forward superstructure looks wonderful and must have taken a long time.

[D.Kruger]

Hello Kaleun´s,

i have totaly reworked the Gustloff so this ship is nearly 99% to release.

1.) Stern reworked

2.) Deckhouse totally reworked

3.) Barcas totally reworked

4.) Positions and design of Pipes reworked

Many thanx to D.Kruger for helping me to create this ship by posting nice pictures of an Gustloffmodell.

Here the Pictures :

http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig1.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig2.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig3.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig4.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig5.jpg
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustlofffertig6.jpg

I only have to overwork some Skindetails and some very small changes but i need help cause the problem with the flag already exist :damn:

Maybee BBW can help me by hexediting this stuff ? :hmm:

I hope it can be fixed.

@ BBW

I made to ships, one early war version in original KDF-Design and another late war version in Redcross-Design.
I think thats the best way to handle this ship in editor !

Greets

Maddy


Perfectly!!!:up: :rock: :rock: :rock: I waited for it, many thanks.

[AOTD_MadMax]

@ D.Kruger

You will be surprised when i release this ship.

I have worked out many small Details like the "Krähennest" at the Bowmast and Doors in the " Walkdown" at the Bow.

The Funnel is overworked with the small Pipes in front of it.
Many other Details will follow.

Thanx for your impressions with pics from a modell mate, it helps me more then historical pictures.

Greets

Maddy

[bigboywooly]

Have your email Maddy
Tis a bit of a mess
lol
Will work on tonight and let you have back when done mate

[AOTD_MadMax]

Have your email Maddy
Tis a bit of a mess
lol
Will work on tonight and let you have back when done mate


Oh thanx mate, i hope thats not so hard fore you !

Is it a Problem that i have overworked the ship a bit ?
I send you the new dat-file of the latest version ok !

Greets


Gustloff sighted .................
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustloffgesichtet.jpg

Maddy

[D.Kruger]

:eek: Have your email Maddy
Tis a bit of a mess
lol
Will work on tonight and let you have back when done mate


Oh thanx mate, i hope thats not so hard fore you !

Is it a Problem that i have overworked the ship a bit ?
I send you the new dat-file of the latest version ok !

Greets


Gustloff sighted .................
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustloffgesichtet.jpg

Maddy

:eek::up: :up: :up: :rock: :sunny:

[bigboywooly]

Yes it was a problem actually Maddy as made all the changes to the first dat

So you will have to do yours again

Before

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_930.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_931.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_932.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_934.jpg

After

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_942.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_943.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_944.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/ScreenHunter_945.jpg

Obviously the guns only show when it parks up in Gotenhafen as an accomodation ship for the 2.Unterseeboote-Lehr-Division

[AOTD_MadMax]

Oh many thanx BBW fore your work. :up:
I think i have to visit your city to drink some beer with you.:D

It was no problem to add the latest changes into your overworked Version.
But was this ship really armed in Gotenhafen ? I didnt know ......

I think i release two different versions fore having the Gustloff and the Robert Ley in different designs in one Mission.

Did anybody know where the Robert Ley was during the time the Gustloff stay´s in Gotenhafen and which Design the Robert Ley got in this time ?

And my last question is :

Could you explain me where the trouble with the flag got his roots ?
I have to learn more about nodes and hexediting.

Greets

Maddy

[A6Intruder]

But was this ship really armed in Gotenhafen ? I didnt know ......

I think i release two different versions fore having the Gustloff and the Robert Ley in different designs in one Mission.

Did anybody know where the Robert Ley was during the time the Gustloff stay´s in Gotenhafen and which Design the Robert Ley got in this time ?

Greets

Maddy[/quote]


I would like to have both options for the Gustlof if possible with different skins.
Kind regards:rock:

[bigboywooly]

Well no too sure about the arnament but easy to NULL out the entries
At least the nodes are in the right place now

I imagine as sat in Gotenhafen for 4 and a half years the ship would have ben armed
After all twas full of sleeping uboat trainees

And from my readings at the many Gustloff sites the ship should only use a hospital skin till mid 40 when parked up
After that the green band was painted over then later the ship painted navy grey

[HW3]

Did anybody know where the Robert Ley was during the time the Gustloff stay´s in Gotenhafen and which Design the Robert Ley got in this time ?


See this page for information on the Robert Ley
http://www.greatoceanliners.net/robertley.html

[D.Kruger]

Have your email Maddy
Tis a bit of a mess
lol
Will work on tonight and let you have back when done mate


Oh thanx mate, i hope thats not so hard fore you !

Is it a Problem that i have overworked the ship a bit ?
I send you the new dat-file of the latest version ok !

Greets


Gustloff sighted .................
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustloffgesichtet.jpg

Maddy

I wait for news :ping:

[D.Kruger]

Have your email Maddy
Tis a bit of a mess
lol
Will work on tonight and let you have back when done mate


Oh thanx mate, i hope thats not so hard fore you !

Is it a Problem that i have overworked the ship a bit ?
I send you the new dat-file of the latest version ok !

Greets


Gustloff sighted .................
http://85.25.133.181/Files/mods/MaddisSchiffe2/Gustloffgesichtet.jpg

Maddy

I wait for news :ping:

Really have again lost Wilhem Gustloff ? :cry:

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Now soviet subs need to be modled. ;) :cry:

[denis_469]

Now soviet subs need to be modled. ;) :cry:

See my FF;)