[REL] Silent Speed Mod

[Payoff]

This Mod will add:
* A new forward speed, 50 rpm, (about 1.5 knots) to the existing 5 forward speeds, in exchange for 1 of your reverse speeds.
(I rarely if ever, use all of the reverse speeds, and then only for docking in port, so for me the tradeoff was easy)

* New engine telegraphs & mini dial with a 50 rpm slot, in all compartments,in all boats, that can be ordered via mouse click 2D,
& 3D (on the telegraph at the helm), or keyboard command. Based on Oak_Grooves wonderful " Bordinstrumente 1.0 ", " Funkraum Upgrade for Bordinstrumente 1.0 mod" and "CA's UBoat Instrument Patch V1.0" by Captain America.

I have divided ahead slow into two slots: Ahead slow / Silent speed.
The new speed settings are shown below.

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/4525/silentspeedlm0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Back full has been traded for 50 rpm.

I do not claim this to be a prototypical engine telegraph, but rather,
an attempt to give the player easier access to his boats speed settings
within the limitations of SHIII.
Keyboard Commands: ~= Silent Speed, 6= All Stop, 7 = Back Slow, 8 = Back Standard & 9 = Back Emergency.

* New custom speech files, 3 each using all 9 different voices (English), edited using existing dialogue to say:
Normal - " Yes Sir, Silent Speed "
Heightened State (yells) - " Speed One Knot "
Silent Running (whispers) - " Yes Sir, Rig For Silent Speed "

Remaining "reverse order" speech files renamed to reflect new speed settings.

* New matching text in the text window to mirror the ordered speed. (English)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2205/ss1fh5.jpg

* The ability to custom tune each boat to what you think Silent Speed should be, (sub.cfg file) and then get that exact rpm
setting every time you order 50 rpm. This can be very handy in the chaos of a depth charge attack, when you need to add
a little power to maneuver,then go silent again. Silent Speed is now just a keystroke away.
(Say goodbye to mouse clicking on the little knot meter, and say hello to the tilde key. ~)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1609/ss2mv6.jpg


This Mod was created and tested on SHIII 1.4b Vanilla (heavely sprinkled with mods by some of you from Subsim and myself) so in an effort to not break anything in either of the great Super Mods, I am listing every file I have changed so you can decide if this mod will conflict with your setup.

I have placed all Texture & Sound files in JSGME format. The SUB.cfg files and En_menu should probably be edited manually to avoid conflicts. Just copy and paste the sections I have included. I have only included the Engine Properties to avoid confusion, as by now I'm sure everyone has thier own preferences for depth settings.

MODIFIED FILES LIST

Textures: SHIII/data/Menu/GUI/Layout/DialsFdb (Mini Dials, Engine Telegraph is the only change)

SHIII/data/Textures/TNormal/tex/7cIC_tbd_1 (U-boat interior gauges, Engine Telegraph is the only thing changed )
21IC_tbd_1
cadrane_radio_7
cadrane_radio_9
cadrane_radio_21
CR9C_1
int_2
int_7
int_21

Sounds: SHIII/data/Sound/Speech_En/ChE_K_All_Stop.OGG - Folders 1 thru 9 (Changed the Chiefs response in all 3 states _K _P & _S for All Stop, Back Slow, Back Standard & Back Full)
(Changed to)
FILE NAME WHAT YOU HEAR
ChE_K_All_Stop = Silent Speed
" " Back Slow = All Stop
" " Back Standard = Back Slow
" " Back Full = Back Standard
If anyone would like to have a go at the German Sound files as per above, that would be great.

Menu: SHIII/data/Menu/en_menu.txt (For the text window, these are the lines I have changed)
1010=Silent speed
1011=Ahead slow
1012=Ahead one third
1013=Ahead standard
1014=Ahead full
1015=Ahead flank
1016=All stop
1017=Back slow
1018=Back standard
1019=Back emergency

SUB CFG: SHIII/data/Submarine/NSS_Uboat2A/NSS_Uboat2A.CFG (All Boats, the last entry at the bottom of the file are the Engine Properties)
TypeIIA
[EngineProperties] (CHANGES MADE)
AllStop=0.16 -----------------This line is now Silent Speed, When you want to edit Silent Speed just adjust this line.
AheadSlow=0.40
AheadOneThird=0.57
AheadStandard=0.80
AheadFull=0.94
AheadFlank=1.00
BackSlow=0.00 -----------------This line is now All Stop. Note the zeros.
BackStandard=-0.26 -----------------This line is now Back Slow.
BackFull=-0.40 -----------------This line is now Back Standard. ( Mod includes settings for all boats )
BackEmergency=-0.66


Thats all of the files modified.

Notes:
* I found in my testing that 50 rpms is actually too slow to maintain depth when running deep to avoid DC's. The actual settings I use are between 60 & 70 rpms for a solid 1.5 to 1.75 knot speed. Each class of boat is different in this regard. One silent speed setting wont work for all U-boats.
* All my silent speed settings were tested for depthkeeping @ 200m, of course you can go deeper.
* I noticed while testing, (an SHIII oddity) that if you select your depth with the mouse on the depth gauge while silent running your boat will descend hold depth nicely and ascend if ordered, but if you use the "A" key (or "hold this depth" command), the boat wont fully trim and you will slowly lose your depth over time in one meter increments. I suppose one could use this tacticly to slowly descend, then go Ahead Slow to trim.
* I did not change the engine telegraph on the bridge because this is part of the boats texture file & there are so many custom skins out that
it seemed pointless. The commands will still work, but the gauge wont read properly. I just copy/paste this telegraph onto my favorite skins.

Thanks goes out to Oak_Groove & Captain America for thier original work.

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[ReallyDedPoet]

Nice work:up:


RDP

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

nice work indeed.. but may i suggest you call the new speed "silent running" "shleichfahrt" ?

[lutzow]

Revelation!

[Hawk U-375]

Great STUFF!

[poor sailor]

Nice work. But, the only thing I would like to have in this mod is German voices.

[nikbear]

Nice work. But, the only thing I would like to have in this mod is German voices.

Exactly,its just not done having english voices in a U-boat;) hopefully someone will rise to the challenge:hmm:

[Payoff]

Nice work. But, the only thing I would like to have in this mod is German voices.

I wish I could have done this. Even though I am German & Scottish by birthright, born & raised in the U.S., I could'nt speak a word of German to save my life. I do a mean Scottish Bddddddrogue though. :lol:

[nikbear]

Nice work. But, the only thing I would like to have in this mod is German voices.

I wish I could have done this. Even though I am German & Scottish by birthright, born & raised in the U.S., I could'nt speak a word of German to save my life. I do a mean Scottish Bddddddrogue though. :lol:

Sean connery might of got away with it in the hunt for red october but it won't go in a u-boat:rotfl:

[Werewolf]

Wauw sounds great :up:

But will it go with the 6dial mod? :hmm: you know the one with the dials as slideouts, I use it in order not to have that annoying black bar in the bottom of the screen picture. :)

[Payoff]

Nice work. But, the only thing I would like to have in this mod is German voices.

I wish I could have done this. Even though I am German & Scottish by birthright, born & raised in the U.S., I could'nt speak a word of German to save my life. I do a mean Scottish Bddddddrogue though. :lol:

Sean connery might of got away with it in the hunt for red october but it won't go in a u-boat:rotfl:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
The problem is I would'nt know which words to edit using the German voice actor files as I did with the English voice actors. I guess one could always use Ahead Slow twice. Maybe someone will have a go at the German sound files. I did three different versions for variety, but really one would suffice and could be renamed for all three states.

[Dimitrius07]

Very nice work endeed :rock:, but i think with thise mod a game will be much easyer :shifty: thince the d`s can`t hear you at 100 or less rpm. I think the ai behaviour need to be changed also acording to a new speed valew ;)

[R1fl3M4n]

Damn !! cool mod mate' :up:

[lutzow]

Masterwork! Many thanX Payoff you have done a GREAT mod.
But i prefer BIG DIALS from FLBSale's Simfeeling Package...
6AnzeigenSimfeeling you know ...6 big dials...they are sliding out from
right edge of gamescreen...
And what i have to do now? Back to those small unreadable dials?
Could you make something with this? Silent speed for big dial?
It's just ONE dial for u-boot speed...PLIIIIZZ. ThiZ will be small work
for the MODDER like you:up:
And the german voice for silent speed - this game is a simulation of GERMAN submarine...and there are GermanZ inside.;)
With those two things added, your mod will be PERFECT and IRON
position for each kaleun.
GreetZ.

[supposedtobeworking]

yes I wouold like to second that...if you could make this with 6 dials slideout..that would be ideal. If not, is there a changelog for the menu.ini file...I don't mind copying and pasting stuff if I have to.

[Payoff]

Thanks guys. I have a PM out for FLB sale U-999 to see if he would be agreeable. He has'nt posted since April so I dont know if he still visits or not. As far as the menu.ini I did'nt make any changes there. Every file I modified is in the original post. I did this by modifying Oak_Groove's original telegraph texture, then just copy/pasted onto all of the interior texture files.

As far as a German version . . . sigh . . . I will need someone fluent in German to tell me exactly which words are which in some of the voice files so I can isolate them & edit. Listening to the German "Rig For Silent Running" file it sounds like "Slish Vot". If "Slish" is "Silent" is "Vot" Running? Or is this another phrase altogether and where is the "Rig For" part?

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

Thanks guys. I have a PM out for FLB sale U-999 to see if he would be agreeable. He has'nt posted since April so I dont know if he still visits or not. As far as the menu.ini I did'nt make any changes there. Every file I modified is in the original post. I did this by modifying Oak_Groove's original telegraph texture, then just copy/pasted onto all of the interior texture files.

As far as a German version . . . sigh . . . I will need someone fluent in German to tell me exactly which words are which in some of the voice files so I can isolate them & edit. Listening to the German "Rig For Silent Running" file it sounds like "Slish Vot". If "Slish" is "Silent" is "Vot" Running? Or is this another phrase altogether and where is the "Rig For" part?

the order is given like "Auf Schleichfahrt Gehen" but as the IWO would say it is just "Schleifahrt"

im a verry good german speeking person (probaly becouse i AM german :rotfl:)
so if you need other words you dont know then you can always PM me :up:

[Payoff]

Thanks, . . but I'm kinda thick. :hmm: Are you saying "Schleifahrt" is one word? Can you tell me exactly what that would translate to in English?
What words can I combine to get the phrase "Silent Speed"?

Also can someone rewrite the menu.txt items in the exact order they appear below?

English

1010=Silent speed
1011=Ahead slow
1012=Ahead one third
1013=Ahead standard
1014=Ahead full
1015=Ahead flank
1016=All stop
1017=Back slow
1018=Back standard
1019=Back emergency

German

1010=
1011=
1012=
1013=
1014=
1015=
1016=
1017=
1018=
1019=

Thanks

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

you can also use "Leise Fahrt" (a direct translation of the english)

english
1010= silent speed
1011= ahead slow
1012= ahead 1/3
1013= ahead standart
1014= ahead full
1015= ahead flank
1016= all stop
1017= back slow
1018= back standart
1019= back emergency

german
1010= leise fahrt
1011= Kleine Fahrt voraus
1012= Langsahme Fahrt voraus
1013= halbe fahrt voraus
1014= volle fahrt voraus
1015= auserste kraft voraus
1016= machinen stop
1017= kleine fahrt zuruck
1018= halbe fahrt zuruck
1019= auserste kraft zuruck

[Payoff]

Thankyou very much Kaleu. Jochen Mohr.
Can you tell me if the word "Leise" is spoken in SHIII, and which order is given to trigger this response?

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

"Leise" is not in SHIII. wich is stupid actualy... :shifty:
wich means you got to say it yourselve.. :-?

[Payoff]

That could get ugly quick. Believe me the last thing you want is a Tennessee/German on your boat. :lol: If anyone can come up with an acceptable phrase within the SHIII voice files, just point me to the words to combine and I will edit & rename the files.

I cant seem to find the "6 Dials Mod" either. Link is dead. Anybody know where I can find this?

Thanks

[lutzow]

Uploaded on my filefront page...FLBSale's Simfeeling Package
http://hosted.filefront.com/Lutzow1 (http://hosted.filefront.com/Lutzow1)
About German voices...it must be done by German modder - i don't understand that language - just can tell you... volkswagen.
Greetz;)

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

i could make a recording... but my voice is so ugly (i hate my voice) :-?

[Payoff]

Hey that would be cool. Then you could do the normal state, panniced state and whisper state. Then I could speed up & slow down your voice a little to somewhat match the crew.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

:hmm: how manny seconds the recording has to be ?

[Jimbuna]

OMG :o .......................:damn:

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

OMG :o .......................:damn:

why the hell keep you saying that ? :shifty:

[lutzow]

;)OMG :o .......................:damn:

why the hell keep you saying that ? :shifty:
Excuse me - what the hell is OMG?
Aha - i know : Oh My God ?
Kaleu.Jochen Mohr - please - just give him your voice.;)

[Sailor Steve]

If you have a copy of my sound conversion of the Das Boot Sound Mod, when you select Silent Running you get Jurgen Prochnow saying exactly that, and in German. If I'm guessing correctly Jim's problem is that that sound file is also already available in GWX.

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

but GWX nor WAC or stock have the command "Leise Fahrt" :nope:

[Payoff]

:hmm: how manny seconds the recording has to be ?

Did'nt mean to run deep, I've been on the road.
As far as the recording goes the length really does'nt matter much (I have some custom responses that last 10 or 11 seconds). I can edit the length as needed.
The main thing to keep in mind is: Mic placement, try to avoid pops,hisses & any unwanted background noise (radio/air conditioning ...etc. Clarity of speech. Try to speak in a full voice. I can adjust volume as needed.

Thanks

[Payoff]

If you have a copy of my sound conversion of the Das Boot Sound Mod, when you select Silent Running you get Jurgen Prochnow saying exactly that, and in German. If I'm guessing correctly Jim's problem is that that sound file is also already available in GWX.

:hmm: You know. . .that's a good point. That is actually where I got the idea for the mod, when Jurgen says "Silent speed" and the kid responds "Both main motors show 50 RPM". Does that translate over properly?

[Woof1701]

In my opinion "Schleichfahrt" is a typical uboat term like "anblasen" (blow balast tanks) or "Sehrohrtiefe" (periscope depth). "Leise Fahrt" won't do IMHO. To me as a German it simply doesn't sound right.

As was stated before there are some "Das Boot" sound mods that use a file with Prochnow and one of the guys in the Control room saying somthing like: "Schleichfahrt. Beide Schrauben kleine Fahrt, 50 Umdrehungen." which translates to "Silent running. Both screws ahead 50 rpm."

[Kaleu. Jochen Mohr]

In my opinion "Schleichfahrt" is a typical uboat term like "anblasen" (blow balast tanks) or "Sehrohrtiefe" (periscope depth). "Leise Fahrt" won't do IMHO. To me as a German it simply doesn't sound right.

As was stated before there are some "Das Boot" sound mods that use a file with Prochnow and one of the guys in the Control room saying somthing like: "Schleichfahrt. Beide Schrauben kleine Fahrt, 50 Umdrehungen." which translates to "Silent running. Both screws ahead 50 rpm."

i told them... but he found it odd that Shleichfahrt was just 1 word. so i said "leise fehrt" will do then :dead:

[Friedl9te]

From my point ov view there is a much easier way to solve this speedproblem.
With a little editing of the \data\submarine\NSS_Uboatxy\NSS_Uboatxy.cfg file you achive the same thing. Just a small change of the multiplier for AheadSlow and thats ist.
And you should be aware of the fact that SilentSpeed (i.e. Schleichfahrt) is an additional command, what historically meant, that everything that could possibly produce noise was turned off. Pumps, Electric Compass, no reloading of torps, nobody was allowed to talk, no farthing, etc.

In SH3 its not implemented in a very perfect way, because you can apply SilentSpeed with any boat speed, whereas it makes only sense with the slowest speed. Gaining higher speeds should automaticly turn off silent running.

On the other hand, selecting slowest speed should automatically toggle ON "Schleichfahrt". This can be done easily. In case you select the speed by keyboard, you can assign two functions to be executed with one keystroke. The keyboard interpretor includes some macro-functions and you can easily edit this using Setkeys http://rapidshare.com/files/21455294/SetKeys1_3.zip http://hp-h.com/p/cavalier88/

I have gathered some useful things, please feel free to go there and see if there is something you find useful.
http://www.9teuflottille.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6003

Gute Jagd Ihr Himmelhunde

Friedl9te

P.S. "Schleichfahrt" covers the boat athmosphere much better than "Leise Fahrt"

[The Noob]

On the other hand, selecting slowest speed should automatically toggle ON "Schleichfahrt".
I dont think so. If im on the surface leaving port i dont need whispering crew and silent running conditions. Same if maneuvering in position while submerged. And why should selecting a higher speed deactivate silent running? Avoiding depth charges with a higher speed, while you can go silent fast would be a situation where its not really necessary to automatically deactivate silent running.

[Friedl9te]

Of course, only in submerged situations its of use to switch to Schleichfahrt.
Taxiing in the harbour, does not need Schleichfahrt at all.
Surfaced, and attacking during the night, the hydrophones should not detect the sub, because of their listening angle. (But the radar in late war does instead)

You are right, it is not necessary, to switch off schleichfahrt, trying to escape dc`s. Even the electric driven screws at higher speeds are loud enough and can be heard easily by the hydrophones of the destroyers from the hunter-killer-group.

[The Munster]

Nice work. But, the only thing I would like to have in this mod is German voices.

I wish I could have done this. Even though I am German & Scottish by birthright, born & raised in the U.S., I could'nt speak a word of German to save my life. I do a mean Scottish Bddddddrogue though. :lol:

I feel the same as poor sailor on this, I only use German sprechen but wish to know whereabouts in Scotland are your originations ?

[Payoff]

Friedl9te
From my point ov view there is a much easier way to solve this speedproblem.
With a little editing of the \data\submarine\NSS_Uboatxy\NSS_Uboatxy.cfg file you achive the same thing. Just a small change of the multiplier for AheadSlow and thats ist.


Yes I tried this first, but you are, after all, still swapping one speed setting for another. I personally did not like losing any of my forward speeds. Since we spend 99.9% of our time going forward, and have all of those unused reverse speeds just sitting collecting dust. I would rather have a wider selection of known forward speeds at my finger tips. That's why I did it that way. A real U-boat telegraph had a wide variety of speed settings, both forward & reverse. It comes in pretty handy for docking also.

As far as the phrase, like I said above

If anyone can come up with an acceptable phrase within the SHIII voice files, just point me to the words to combine and I will edit & rename the files.



I guess we just need everyone to come to an agreement on what the proper phrase would have been in a U-boat. If "Schleichfahrt" is correct let me know. Since those sound files are already in SHIII it would just be a matter of renaming a few files.

[Sailor Steve]

...no farthing, etc.
Well, some things you just can't control...just do it quietly, okay?

[lutzow]

Hello payoff - did you contacted FLBSale for permission to rework his
1 BIG DIAL?;)
Greetz

[Payoff]

Hello payoff - did you contacted FLBSale for permission to rework his
1 BIG DIAL?;)
Greetz

No joy lutzow. I have not heard from him yet. :hmm: