Type VIIC/42

[Werewolf]

I have seen the beautiful VIIC/41 mod and was wondering if it would be possible to mod the VIIC/42 as well :)

[Alex]

Cobalt is among us, no problem :p

:rotfl:

:oops: :88)

[Werewolf]

:hmm: yeah actually he was the one I was thinking of hehe......I have read a bit about the VIIC/42, it had 2 scopes in the con. tower like the type IX and an integrated snorchel....not sure if integrated means a telescope mast like the XXI, the external appearence should be app. the same though as the other types of the VII class only a bit longer.......and what test depth! :arrgh!:

[Alex]

For sure, it would be nice to have this model as well. :yep:

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[cobalt]

I've never even seen one ;o

[Hitman]

IIRC that sub never became operational, as the only ones laid down were not finished in favour of the XXI and XXIII series. (Someone correct me if wrong:-? ). Anyway of course if the model becomes available for SH3, the better then:up:

[Alex]

the reason why no one among us have ever seen this model :lol: :

Contracts were signed for 164 boats and a few boats were laid down, but all were cancelled on September 30, 1943 in favor of the new Type XXI, and none were advanced enough in construction to be launched.

@ Hitman : :up:.

[Werewolf]

@hitmand and alex

Yes I am aware that the type never became operational :D however, many types never did, was any of you for example aware that an upgrade of the IXD2 was planned as well? The type IXD/42, almost similar apart from engine layout, it was to have had a more powerful diesel engine and electric motors allowing an underwater topspeed of 7.6 or was it 7.9 knots, but it never became operational either, one was finished however! But never put into action as it was in 1945. Many types were laid down, a few even finished, but never went to combat, they are all relevant and interesting though I think, and since we are not talking about putting a walter boat or a nuclear cruiser missile sub into the game, but boats that were actually constructed I cannot see that it should be unrealistic either.

In my eyes I have bought a submarine simulation, I know it belongs to a certain era yes, but it is however a subsim, simulating tactical and technical aspects of submarine warfare at a given period in world history, not a history book, I know what happened to the unterseebootwaffe and not a das boot simulator either :)

[Hitman]

Sure...as I said before what matters is having as much stuff as possible available for suiting everyone's taste and customizing the game. My comment about the real availability of the VIIC/42 was just to check out as was not 100% sure if it ever became operational. I would like to see a "Secret Weapons of the U-Bootwaffe" add-on (No relation with the joking thread in this same forum) with playable Type XVII, VIIC/42 and such. Would be blast:up:

[Werewolf]

@Hitman

Yep, couldn't agree more :up: hehe

:hmm: but where the heck is cobalt, think he's the man for this

[Alex]

:yep:

I've searched for documents dealing with the type VIIC/42 that could help Cobalt building this beast, didn't find anything. :huh: :x


The Type VIIC/42 was designed in 1942 and 1943 to replace the aging Type VIIC. It would have had a much stronger pressure hull, with skin thickness up to 28 mm, and would have dived twice as deep as the previous VIICs. These boats would have been very similar in external appearance to the VIIC/41 but with two periscopes in the tower and would have carried two more torpedoes.


http://uboat.net/types/viic-42.htm

[Werewolf]

@Alex

Well, most of the changes are in specifcations only I think and this could easily be done with the mini tweaker, changes such as crush depth, speed, etc. Graphically, well, think cobalt's model of the viic/41 would do nicely actually, but the 2 periscopes in the con. tower, don't know about that, unfortunately I'm a complete idiot when it comes to making graphic haha. Then there's the integrated snorkel, did you notice that at uboat.net? It says it had an INTEGRATED snorkel, now, I don't know whether this means an actual teleschopic mast as on the XXI or just the usual one seen on the type VII and IX boats, I actually think it means a teleschopic one. I have searched all over for drawings and so on, but like you I have only found short descriptions at uboat.net, uboatwar.com etc etc. no details :damn:

[Hitman]

but the 2 periscopes in the con. tower, don't know about that

Could that be solved by giving that sub the interior 3D model of the Type IX conning tower? A matter of cloning the Type VIIC and VIIC/41 parts in all needed except the conning tower, using for that the IX one.:sunny:

[Alex]

@Alex

Well, most of the changes are in specifcations only I think and this could easily be done with the mini tweaker, changes such as crush depth, speed, etc.

:yep:

Graphically, well, think cobalt's model of the viic/41 would do nicely actually, but the 2 periscopes in the con. tower, don't know about that. Then there's the integrated snorkel, did you notice that at uboat.net?

Yes... But I don't know either what kind of "integrated" snorchel it is... :-?

It says it had an INTEGRATED snorkel, now, I don't know whether this means an actual teleschopic mast as on the XXI or just the usual one seen on the type VII and IX boats, I actually think it means a teleschopic one. I have searched all over for drawings and so on, but like you I have only found short descriptions at uboat.net, uboatwar.com etc etc. no details :damn:

None of these types were launched... And I wonder if we'll find documents and stuff that could help somebody building this model. :x :cry:

[Werewolf]

:D Sorry for my absence

@Hitman

Actually I had thought about that, is it possible to actually clone the 2? At first I thought about simply replacing the VIIC interior with that of the IX, but it would kind of ruin the feeling of actually being in a VIIC boat and furthermore effect all the versions of the type VII class, right? But do any of you know how to clone? Erhm.....and would it be possible that rediculous meat and those blasted sussages that I keep banging my head against in the back of the conning tower? :rotfl: I've had just about enough of those

@Alex

Well as for the integrated snorkel I am almost sure that it means a telescopic mast actually built into the conning tower and not the usual one built into the deck.

None of these types were launched... And I wonder if we'll find documents and stuff that could help somebody building this model. :x :cry:

Yeah true, but there is a small drawing at uboat.net though, actually I don't think it's needed with a new model, in extern appearence I actually think it would have been very similar to the VIIC/41 only longer, the hull was still the same, it was only lengthened which gave it an additional 70 tons of fuel that allowed an operational range of 12600 nm app, and widened by some centimeters, then it had thicker hull plates......all in all not something that can really be seen in the game I think, only it would have to have turm3 as standard.....well, that's my humble opinion haha.

[Werewolf]

:hmm: erhm.........what happened to everyone?

[Alex]

I'm still here, just had nothing to answer cause I think that your opinion on the VIIC/42 is the right one. ;)

:arrgh!:

[Werewolf]

@Alex

:lol: hahaha....well thanks :up: ....only problem now is I know how to make the small changes to the performance of the sub, but I don't know a thing about doing graphics like cloning con. towers and so on :hmm: guess we just have to wait

[Alex]

I think there are enough skillful modders on here who could have a try at this type... Let's wait and see. :yep:

And Bump!, sometimes. :arrgh!:

[Werewolf]

@Alex

Hahaha...yeah, there're certainly enough talents gathered in here

Bump on! haha

[Werewolf]

bump

[Werewolf]

Well if any of you are still there then I am able to tell that I have dug very deep to find information about the VIIC/42 and this is what I've come up with:

It was made to increase the range, crush depth and the offensive power of the VIIC

It was made upon basis of the VIIC hull just like the VIIC/41

The range was extended by widening the saddle tanks with 35 cm, this allowed for an additional 70 tons of fuel which gave it an operational range of app. 12600 nm. The hull was not lengthened as far as I understand which explains why it kept the type designation VIIC, neither was the bow or anything changed from the VIIC/41.

It carried 2 extra torpedoes, total number of 16, how they managed to do this I cannot remember, it had something to do with the conning tower I think.

The extra diving depth was obtained by once again to thicken the hull plating.

It had a slightly higher surface speed 18.6 knots, obtained by an extra boost of the diesel engines. Electric motors the same and submerged topspeed too.

All in all it would have looked almost like a VIIC/41, since cobalt already has made an excellent model of this then a new model will not be necessary. Snorkel was of usual type, deck mounted. The ONLY concern as to modelling will then be the 2 scopes in the con. The rest will be tweaking with the performance files which is a 5 minute job using SH3 mini tweaker.

Are any of you still there and Hitman, would it be possible to clone the IX and VII cons? Not to mention the control room? :)

[Alex]

Are any of you still there

Yes I am ! http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2444/smibx6.gif
:88)
That's really good to know that we're probably going to have a new one as beautiful as the VIIC/41 !! :rock:
Anyway, congratulations, mate, for finding all these informations ! :huh:

:up:

[Werewolf]

Ah Alex mon ami, good to see you are still hanging on haha :D now we only need hitman

[Ubåtskapten]

I've read somewhere (unfortunately I can't recall where) that they tried telescopic schnorkels on some of the conventional U-boats by removing one of the periscopes and installing it there. However I don't know if this was the case with the planned production version of the VIIC/42.:hmm:

Edit: Here they mention it in a few lines but not which boats that where rebuilt.
http://www.uboataces.com/snorkel.shtml

[Werewolf]

Uboatkapten:

Aha! that's very interesting, that reminds me of a picture I once saw of a snorting device, but I noticed on the picture that it was not mounted on a type XXI since the wintergarten was visible, and it looked exactly as if it was mounted in a periscope house! :) unfortunately I can't remember where either :lol: but I think it was a site about German snorkels during WW2 or maybe about the tarnmatte..actually I think it was :hmm:

:hmm: Then maybe the VIIC/42 was planned to have this kind of installation anyway, that again explains the term "integrated snorkel". Only from the few drawings I have seen it looks as if it had the conventional snorkel installed, but then again, the people behind the drawings don't really know either since none of them were finished, not by the Germans anyway and not during the war.