[REL] Depth charge water disturbances

TheDarkWraith · 03-19-11, 12:03 PM

This mod will cause water disturbances when depth charges explode underwater. These water disturbances will mess with the destroyers/escorts sonar and hydrophone allowing the player's sub to take more evasive maneuvers and higher speeds for a short period of time after the depth charge(s) explodes. This is to model natural effects that happen in real life in the water.

Each person may want to tweak the size (m2) that this area effects to their taste, the ilfetime (in mins), and the noise value (don't know what/how this one works in game)

Can be enabled/disabled at any time

To install:
unzip straight to MODS folder and enable via JSGME

v1.0: first release
v2.0: changed lifetime of disturbance from 8 seconds to 45 seconds for each DC explosion

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20143...ce_v2_0_SH4_7z

BillBam · 03-19-11, 12:31 PM

Awesome, I have always hoped for this. Just not realistic that the Japs can continue to listen and find you when DC are going off.

Bilge_Rat · 03-19-11, 02:00 PM

TDW, when do you find time to sleep...

TheDarkWraith · 03-19-11, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

TDW, when do you find time to sleep...

I get 8-12 hours a night

CCIP · 03-19-11, 02:09 PM

Good to see you ported this over to SH4 as well, thanks a bunch!

STEED · 03-19-11, 04:44 PM

Looks interesting I've give that ago next week.

AVGWarhawk · 03-19-11, 05:46 PM

Nifty!

TheDarkWraith · 03-19-11, 05:54 PM

I've received some feedback in the SH5 mods forum in regards to this saying that some other games that have modeled this behavior set the lifetime of the disturbance effect to 30-60 seconds. Currently I have it set to 8 seconds. What do you all think the lifetime of it should be

razark · 03-19-11, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

What do you all think the lifetime of it should be

Do we have any historical data? I thought the disturbance lingered for a while. (As in several minutes. Really wish I could remember where and what I've read about it.)

Edit:
I'm also guessing this work would be based on Allied ASW technology? Would different values be appropriate for the PTO, based on the state of Japanese technology?

TorpX · 03-20-11, 12:41 AM

Great idea!

As to the duration, my guess would be a minute or two. Perhaps it could be random; 60 to 120 sec. or something like that?

TheDarkWraith · 03-20-11, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorpX

Great idea!

As to the duration, my guess would be a minute or two. Perhaps it could be random; 60 to 120 sec. or something like that?

As I love randomness I can't do that here. It has to be a concrete value

TheDarkWraith · 03-20-11, 10:26 AM

v2.0 released. See post #1 for details

Sailor Steve · 03-20-11, 11:12 AM

Like others, I seem to recall much anecdotal evidence, but I can't remember where. This means that it may actually be talk I heard from others, which means it may not be true at all. That disclaimer aside, here's what I think I remember:

The disturbance lasts long enough for the submarine to have a chance of escaping from one escort, partly because the sub is behind the escort when the depth charges go off and the escort can't hear the sub anyway.

When being chased by a hunter/killer group a single escort is the 'hunter' and follows the sub guiding the others in but itself never attacking. The disturbance does cause the 'hunter' to lose contact, but almost always regains it, mainly because the sub can't go far even at 8 knots. Of course this is complicated by the fact that even if the sub escapes the 'hunter' they immediately go back into search mode and quickly find it again.

So how long is the right amount? Of course I have no clue. I just wanted to present some of the 'evidence' I'm pretty sure I've 'heard'.

AVGWarhawk · 03-20-11, 04:48 PM

8 seconds or 60 seconds...either way the fishing line from the destroyer to my rudder has just been cut.

SkyBaron · 03-20-11, 06:51 PM

Has anybody else tested this mod with TMO 2.1? On my system it crashes whenever depth charges or airplane bombs are dropped even if I start a new career or play one of the single missions.

Don't know if this is going to help to sort out the problem:

Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: sh4.exe
Application Version: 1.5.0.0
Application Timestamp: 476a5ca9
Fault Module Name: SHSim.act
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 476a5c4b
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00052e46
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 1e77
Additional Information 2: 1e77b59d6f3ce602eb1258478d561ede
Additional Information 3: 26df
Additional Information 4: 26df637c1b101bf365eefc3afebbcfec

I only have TMO 2.0 + update installed.

The mod is a great idea BTW!

03-19-11, 12:31 PM	#2
BillBam Watch Officer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Yuba/Sutter, CA Posts: 347 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Awesome, I have always hoped for this. Just not realistic that the Japs can continue to listen and find you when DC are going off. __________________

03-19-11, 02:00 PM	#3
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	TDW, when do you find time to sleep... __________________

03-19-11, 02:09 PM	#5
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Good to see you ported this over to SH4 as well, thanks a bunch! __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-19-11, 04:44 PM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Looks interesting I've give that ago next week. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

03-19-11, 05:46 PM	#7
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Nifty! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-19-11, 12:03 PM	#1
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	[REL] Depth charge water disturbances This mod will cause water disturbances when depth charges explode underwater. These water disturbances will mess with the destroyers/escorts sonar and hydrophone allowing the player's sub to take more evasive maneuvers and higher speeds for a short period of time after the depth charge(s) explodes. This is to model natural effects that happen in real life in the water. Each person may want to tweak the size (m2) that this area effects to their taste, the ilfetime (in mins), and the noise value (don't know what/how this one works in game) Can be enabled/disabled at any time To install: unzip straight to MODS folder and enable via JSGME v1.0: first release v2.0: changed lifetime of disturbance from 8 seconds to 45 seconds for each DC explosion http://www.gamefront.com/files/20143...ce_v2_0_SH4_7z Last edited by TheDarkWraith; 03-20-11 at 10:26 AM.

03-19-11, 05:54 PM	#8
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	I've received some feedback in the SH5 mods forum in regards to this saying that some other games that have modeled this behavior set the lifetime of the disturbance effect to 30-60 seconds. Currently I have it set to 8 seconds. What do you all think the lifetime of it should be

03-20-11, 12:41 AM	#10
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Great idea! As to the duration, my guess would be a minute or two. Perhaps it could be random; 60 to 120 sec. or something like that?

03-20-11, 10:26 AM	#12
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	v2.0 released. See post #1 for details

03-20-11, 11:12 AM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Like others, I seem to recall much anecdotal evidence, but I can't remember where. This means that it may actually be talk I heard from others, which means it may not be true at all. That disclaimer aside, here's what I think I remember: The disturbance lasts long enough for the submarine to have a chance of escaping from one escort, partly because the sub is behind the escort when the depth charges go off and the escort can't hear the sub anyway. When being chased by a hunter/killer group a single escort is the 'hunter' and follows the sub guiding the others in but itself never attacking. The disturbance does cause the 'hunter' to lose contact, but almost always regains it, mainly because the sub can't go far even at 8 knots. Of course this is complicated by the fact that even if the sub escapes the 'hunter' they immediately go back into search mode and quickly find it again. So how long is the right amount? Of course I have no clue. I just wanted to present some of the 'evidence' I'm pretty sure I've 'heard'. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-20-11, 04:48 PM	#14
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	8 seconds or 60 seconds...either way the fishing line from the destroyer to my rudder has just been cut. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-20-11, 06:51 PM	#15
SkyBaron Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: South Atlantic Posts: 262 Downloads: 673 Uploads: 2	Has anybody else tested this mod with TMO 2.1? On my system it crashes whenever depth charges or airplane bombs are dropped even if I start a new career or play one of the single missions. Don't know if this is going to help to sort out the problem: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: sh4.exe Application Version: 1.5.0.0 Application Timestamp: 476a5ca9 Fault Module Name: SHSim.act Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0 Fault Module Timestamp: 476a5c4b Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Offset: 00052e46 OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: 1e77 Additional Information 2: 1e77b59d6f3ce602eb1258478d561ede Additional Information 3: 26df Additional Information 4: 26df637c1b101bf365eefc3afebbcfec I only have TMO 2.0 + update installed. The mod is a great idea BTW! __________________