[REQ] BUY the rights on SH5 on our own?!

urfisch · 06-20-10, 09:55 AM

The whole concept is not, what we wanted to play. I never played this game longer than a few minutes. Too many mistakes and missing features. And i guess, many also sign to this more or less. The sparks do not strike.

SO, what to do???

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I had an interesting thought this day. What about buying the open code from the sh-series with the power of community?

How many people would give some money for that? Cause if we had the open source, we could develop the series as to our needs and sell the new created stuff as an addon, or sh6.

There could be several scenarios possible, to get hand on the code. Maybe buy it in one piece, maybe just a share of it. In this case, ubisoft could benefit from the power of our skilled modders here and get a share from the sold copies of an community developed addon.

The question is, how many people would take part in such an action? With money, or with manpower.

Dowly · 06-20-10, 10:11 AM

Went with 'No, I'm not interested' because this never gonna happen. Enough with these "give us SDK!", "Let's buy the code!", "Let's kidnap their family pets and ask [X] for ransom".

Take it like the dirty bitch you are for buying the game, on your knees with wang in your mouth. (Yes, I bought it, so I'm sucking too.. sigh...)

The General · 06-20-10, 10:26 AM

Lol, that was 'colorful' Dowly.

Thomen · 06-20-10, 10:50 AM

I voted no.

As for reasoning:

I'd preferr to see at least some outline of gameplan before shelling out some money, and have some questions answered.

Especially stuff like:

Who will hold the rights after it was purchased with community money? Who is managing the money?
Can we expect a return for the investment?
Do we (the community and investors), have some say as to what is happening with the money and the code/rights?

Sailor Steve · 06-20-10, 11:56 AM

Good points, Thomen. I have imagined what I would do if I actually had several million dollars to spend, and buying the rights to the Silent Hunter name would not be among them.

I would instead hire my own team and start from scratch, developing all the things I thought should be there one at a time. But I would certainly throw a lot of money in that direction.

If I had any.

robbo180265 · 06-20-10, 01:38 PM

I voted no

Ask me again in a couple of years time , when SH5 has had enough time to be developed.

scratch81 · 06-20-10, 04:34 PM

Voted No, not interested.

Yes i agree the game is lacking in many aspects, but like the others before, rights management would be a serious issue. Realistically, I'd rather spend my hard earned money in an effort to continue to preserve and maintain real world monuments, like USS Texas, and Seawolf Park, not software tools that will be outdated and obsolete in a year or three.

jdkbph · 06-20-10, 05:04 PM

I voted no. Not because I don't want to see SH5 fixed. But because the idea of making a financial investment in a community managed project is a non-starter. It's tough enough it seems when the only investment is time and emotion... add money to the mix and it's potentially explosive.

Sonarman · 06-20-10, 07:49 PM

This did actually happen with Akella, a group of modders got together and formed a company and Akella allowed them access to the source code of Age of Pirates, they went on to develop "City of Abandoned Ships" which Akella then marketed. The code for City of the abandoned ships has now been given to the talented modders over at Pirates Ahoy to see what they can make of it. Sadly I don't think Ubi are as flexible as Akella maybe we should go after the PT-Boats source!.

THE_MASK · 06-20-10, 08:00 PM

Fantasy land , but the best we can hope for is for a group to get together and make a mega mod and ubi to patch out the drm in the future .

Pablo · 06-20-10, 08:18 PM

Well,

Paradox gave a modder's group access to the source code for Hearts of Iron II; the group produced the favorably reviewed Arsenal of Democracy, which Paradox released earlier this year.

I'm not sure Ubisoft is ready to make the same sort of deal, though. Now, if I had a few hundred million dollars in the bank I might shell out some money for the SH 5 code, but I don't.

Pablo

Reece · 06-20-10, 08:36 PM

Didn't vote!

However if Subsim was to acquire the rights and there was no DRM then I would pay as much as $200.

Not gonna happen though!

ShoCkwaVe · 06-20-10, 11:25 PM

whatever happens It would at the very least be nice to know a trusted source has obtained the source code just in case ubisoft falls off the map

Its happened before like DID F22 for example..

wouldn't bother me in the slightest considering they have idiots in the wrong places
making really bad choices that effect us all without even considering us their customers
or even the games best interests..

heh, all they seem to care about is the greenbacks ..nothing more
notice the poll - I didnt buy sh5 because.. Just makes me sick

Moders would probably do a better job anyways especially when sailors
@ hearts are involved & not money pushing deadlines.

<edit> I would rather own the rights to sh4 or even sh3
if that where possible then were talking about something worth talking about.

Bubblehead1980 · 06-20-10, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Went with 'No, I'm not interested' because this never gonna happen. Enough with these "give us SDK!", "Let's buy the code!", "Let's kidnap their family pets and ask [X] for ransom".

Take it like the dirty bitch you are for buying the game, on your knees with wang in your mouth. (Yes, I bought it, so I'm sucking too.. sigh...)

Fins have a great sense of humor

urfisch · 06-21-10, 02:32 AM

i definately miss more fantasy here...everbodys wining, but only some actually move.

in times of everybodys connection to the internet, a project like this would not be that unrealistic though. only, if ubi doesnt want to support such an idea, this would be the rip stone on the project. but money wasnt the main case...as with a passioned group of people and a nice concept, also "business angels" might be interested in supporting such an idea.

even it seems, only some can imagine, all things are possible! but maybe time hasnt come yet, where people/customers are ready for such "global" ideas, or got a lack of self-confidence.

View Poll Results: Would you be part of a COMMUNITY based addon?
Yes, i would invest up to 100 dollars or more	20	21.05%
Yes, i would invest up to 50 dollars	13	13.68%
Yes, i would invest upt to 25 dollars, or some manpower	15	15.79%
Yes, i would give my manpower	11	11.58%
No, im not interested at all	39	41.05%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 95. You may not vote on this poll

06-20-10, 09:55 AM	#1
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	[REQ] BUY the rights on SH5 on our own?! The whole concept is not, what we wanted to play. I never played this game longer than a few minutes. Too many mistakes and missing features. And i guess, many also sign to this more or less. The sparks do not strike. SO, what to do??? - I had an interesting thought this day. What about buying the open code from the sh-series with the power of community? How many people would give some money for that? Cause if we had the open source, we could develop the series as to our needs and sell the new created stuff as an addon, or sh6. There could be several scenarios possible, to get hand on the code. Maybe buy it in one piece, maybe just a share of it. In this case, ubisoft could benefit from the power of our skilled modders here and get a share from the sold copies of an community developed addon. The question is, how many people would take part in such an action? With money, or with manpower. __________________ Last edited by Onkel Neal; 06-20-10 at 07:48 PM.

06-20-10, 10:26 AM	#3
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	Lol, that was 'colorful' Dowly. __________________ *THE GENERAL*

06-20-10, 11:56 AM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Good points, Thomen. I have imagined what I would do if I actually had several million dollars to spend, and buying the rights to the Silent Hunter name would not be among them. I would instead hire my own team and start from scratch, developing all the things I thought should be there one at a time. But I would certainly throw a lot of money in that direction. If I had any. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-20-10, 04:34 PM	#7
scratch81 Soundman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 142 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Voted No, not interested. Yes i agree the game is lacking in many aspects, but like the others before, rights management would be a serious issue. Realistically, I'd rather spend my hard earned money in an effort to continue to preserve and maintain real world monuments, like USS Texas, and Seawolf Park, not software tools that will be outdated and obsolete in a year or three. __________________ [Eat at Bob's Brain Shack]

06-20-10, 10:11 AM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Went with 'No, I'm not interested' because this never gonna happen. Enough with these "give us SDK!", "Let's buy the code!", "Let's kidnap their family pets and ask [X] for ransom". Take it like the dirty bitch you are for buying the game, on your knees with wang in your mouth. (Yes, I bought it, so I'm sucking too.. sigh...)

06-20-10, 10:50 AM	#4
Thomen Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I voted no. As for reasoning: I'd preferr to see at least some outline of gameplan before shelling out some money, and have some questions answered. Especially stuff like: Who will hold the rights after it was purchased with community money? Who is managing the money? Can we expect a return for the investment? Do we (the community and investors), have some say as to what is happening with the money and the code/rights?

06-20-10, 01:38 PM	#6
robbo180265 Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton, England.Party capital of the south Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	I voted no Ask me again in a couple of years time , when SH5 has had enough time to be developed.

06-20-10, 05:04 PM	#8
jdkbph Captain Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 508 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	I voted no. Not because I don't want to see SH5 fixed. But because the idea of making a financial investment in a community managed project is a non-starter. It's tough enough it seems when the only investment is time and emotion... add money to the mix and it's potentially explosive.

06-20-10, 07:49 PM	#9
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	This did actually happen with Akella, a group of modders got together and formed a company and Akella allowed them access to the source code of Age of Pirates, they went on to develop "City of Abandoned Ships" which Akella then marketed. The code for City of the abandoned ships has now been given to the talented modders over at Pirates Ahoy to see what they can make of it. Sadly I don't think Ubi are as flexible as Akella maybe we should go after the PT-Boats source!. __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

06-20-10, 08:00 PM	#10
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Fantasy land , but the best we can hope for is for a group to get together and make a mega mod and ubi to patch out the drm in the future .

06-20-10, 08:18 PM	#11
Pablo Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 641 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Well, Paradox gave a modder's group access to the source code for Hearts of Iron II; the group produced the favorably reviewed Arsenal of Democracy, which Paradox released earlier this year. I'm not sure Ubisoft is ready to make the same sort of deal, though. Now, if I had a few hundred million dollars in the bank I might shell out some money for the SH 5 code, but I don't. Pablo __________________ "...far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt, speech before the Hamilton Club, Chicago, April 10, 1899

06-20-10, 08:36 PM	#12
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,693 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Didn't vote! However if Subsim was to acquire the rights and there was no DRM then I would pay as much as $200. Not gonna happen though! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

06-20-10, 11:25 PM	#13
ShoCkwaVe Bosun Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In a yellow submarine Posts: 62 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	whatever happens It would at the very least be nice to know a trusted source has obtained the source code just in case ubisoft falls off the map Its happened before like DID F22 for example.. wouldn't bother me in the slightest considering they have idiots in the wrong places making really bad choices that effect us all without even considering us their customers or even the games best interests.. heh, all they seem to care about is the greenbacks ..nothing more notice the poll - I didnt buy sh5 because.. Just makes me sick Moders would probably do a better job anyways especially when sailors @ hearts are involved & not money pushing deadlines. <edit> I would rather own the rights to sh4 or even sh3 if that where possible then were talking about something worth talking about. Last edited by ShoCkwaVe; 06-22-10 at 08:57 PM.

06-21-10, 02:32 AM	#15
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	i definately miss more fantasy here...everbodys wining, but only some actually move. in times of everybodys connection to the internet, a project like this would not be that unrealistic though. only, if ubi doesnt want to support such an idea, this would be the rip stone on the project. but money wasnt the main case...as with a passioned group of people and a nice concept, also "business angels" might be interested in supporting such an idea. even it seems, only some can imagine, all things are possible! but maybe time hasnt come yet, where people/customers are ready for such "global" ideas, or got a lack of self-confidence. __________________