So which way do you lean?

GoldenRivet · 01-19-10, 09:13 PM

Think about it guys.

Though upon initial release we wont get the Type II or the IX or XXI subs.

what we get in exchange is a Type VII sub that is 3D modeled and simulated from the forward tubes to the stern tubes. - that has been a BIG TICKET ITEM on the subsim wish list for a long time for a lot of players.

secondly, though the stock campaign ends in 1943... i think ubisoft has a strategic overall reason for doing this.

Dan "The Man" has said himself that SHV was made to be MORE modder friendly. Just like every subsim we have seen, SHV will grow and mature through modification to the liking of virtually everyone here!

whenever the devs close a hatch, they open a MBT vent! (or whenver they close a door they open a window if you prefer)

another BIG TICKET ITEM on a lot of subsimmers wish lists have been full crew with the option to interact with the crew members - even if on some limited scale.

i am encouraged by the interview with members of the dev team as they have indicated that this exact item has been implemented.

think about it people!!!

think of all the things SH3 and SH4 have that they didnt come with stock

playable surface ships, AI subs, Kiel Canal, hundreds of added surface ships, tweaked AI

the list goes ever onward.

previous installments of the Silent Hunter series were not without their bugs, errors, mistakes, overlooked items etc...

SHV will have problems and wont meet everyones taste.

at first anyway.

but the Dev team IS looking out for us in the long run.

Have faith in your dev team, though sometimes it might seem like they have ulterior motives - they are working for you!

01-19-10, 09:22 PM

Working for me?
I don't think so.

SH5 is not fit to polish SH3's boots.

As it stands now, Ubisoft can keep SH5, and I can keep my money.

GoldenRivet · 01-19-10, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Working for me?
I don't think so.

SH5 is not fit to polish SH3's boots.

As it stands now, Ubisoft can keep SH5, and I can keep my money.

fair enough,

but i dont want to see you playing it this time next year when the smash hit supermods are released.

karamazovnew · 01-19-10, 09:33 PM

Just one thing pisses me off.... The Q&A on the Ubi forum. They should've announced these "features" since September when we were still picking our jaws from the floor after the first trailer! Instead they told us to use our own toilets, ffs!

Otherwise, I'm still game. The things that bother me most are the Dive teleport thing and the crew disappearing below decks. On the other hand you wouldn't be able to remain on deck to see them. Still, I would've loved to see them descent down the stairs and take their places.

Mikhayl · 01-19-10, 09:36 PM

That's the spirit

misfitdreamer · 01-19-10, 09:42 PM

im with goldenrivet here 100%. i think the developers are doing a very impressive job with overhauling the game engine and making alll the new features work into the game. i'm excited. and from what i have seen, though it may not include everything we want, the games got alot of finesse. im even impressed with how lifelike the crew animations are (the sonar man at rest while cruising on the surface comes to mind.) sh5, for what it is, seems to be very polished in appearance.

and you know, ubisoft doesn't have to make another silent hunter for us. they just know that there are people out there, like us! who love subsims.

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Otherwise, I'm still game. The things that bother me most are the Dive teleport thing and the crew disappearing below decks. On the other hand you wouldn't be able to remain on deck to see them. Still, I would've loved to see them descent down the stairs and take their places.

while i admit that's a moot point, i really think that those features could cause problems for the game. i mean.. how fast the sub submerges is therefore dependent on how fast your crew AND YOURSELF get down the ladder. might be kinda hard to squeeze down the conning tower all together.

capthelm · 01-20-10, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Just one thing pisses me off.... The Q&A on the Ubi forum. They should've announced these "features" since September when we were still picking our jaws from the floor after the first trailer! Instead they told us to use our own toilets, ffs!

Otherwise, I'm still game. The things that bother me most are the Dive teleport thing and the crew disappearing below decks. On the other hand you wouldn't be able to remain on deck to see them. Still, I would've loved to see them descent down the stairs and take their places.

did say you as the player can decend down the hatch.

Onkel Neal · 01-20-10, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Just one thing pisses me off.... The Q&A on the Ubi forum. They should've announced these "features" since September when we were still picking our jaws from the floor after the first trailer! Instead they told us to use our own toilets, ffs!

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. If they were going in a different direction with the franchise, and I don't have a problem with that, they should have made it clear early on. Why wait until the last minute to shock their most vocal and influential customers? Even if people find the game amazing when it comes out, there all that negative buzz for two months.

JScones · 01-20-10, 05:45 PM

IMHO were the marketing geniuses open and up front to begin with, I think things would be far different now.

Had they announced this stuff back in September, sure, people would have been angry, but Ubisoft would have had many months to woo players back to the fold through some great videos that would have undoutedly softened the blow (time heals all wounds and all).

But feeding us useless information does no more than make people sceptical, and more likely to look for the "sting" that must be hidden. When it comes, well, what do you expect?

It finally came the other day for many people. Ubisoft now has just over one month to regain the confidence of those who are now obviously even more wary and sceptical.

You think Ubisoft would have learnt from their SH4 marketing campaign.

Ubisoft marketing department =

01-19-10, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

fair enough,

but i dont want to see you playing it this time next year when the smash hit supermods are released.

That's fair.
The only mod I have on SH3 is Wolfies SubTweek, so I can have my torpedoes in the correct tubes.

cappy70 · 01-19-10, 09:58 PM

So very true,,I remember waaaaaaay back,,(see my join date

) how this " take-a-walk-through-the-sub" was on everybodies wishlist and here it is finally coming. That is a MEGA HUGE thing for the SH-series. in spite of talk about the campaign length and or/any other issue.
Smile, be happy....

Ducimus · 01-19-10, 10:11 PM

From the sounds of things, all SH5 is, is Das boot the video game. Yeah sure an fully rendered interior is fantastic, but i find that for most of my gameplay in this series as so far, 90% of the time is spent in the nav map and periscope or TBT/UZO, swapping between the two via hotkey. A fully rendered interior to my style of play is a joy short lived.

So you have more graphics, more roleplaying, and more das boot, but what you don't have is more simulation. Technical aspects that are missing that should be included, furthered, or refined. So gameplay wise, aside from the campaign that sounds like it wants to rewrite history, it seems like its going to be identical to SH3 and SH4. Couple that with the war "ending" in 43, and a total absence of my favorite uboat types , ( let alone my preferred theater and subs ), my verdict is:

Meh. Not interested.

If it at least had a type 9C, i'd probably sing a different tune.

THE_MASK · 01-19-10, 10:01 PM

Good post , the countdown is on . Should be some interesting reading on the forum until release LOL .

John W. Hamm · 01-27-10, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

fair enough,

but i dont want to see you playing it this time next year when the smash hit supermods are released.

At the rate things are looking it does not look like any of the modders will be playing it to make a super mod for it.

Onkel Neal · 01-19-10, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

what we get in exchange is a Type VII sub that is 3D modeled and simulated from the forward tubes to the stern tubes. - that has been a BIG TICKET ITEM on the subsim wish list for a long time for a lot of players.

Very true! Why do so many people forget that after SH3, one of the most popular wish items for SH4 was a fully explorable sub?

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01-19-10, 09:13 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	So which way do you lean? Think about it guys. Though upon initial release we wont get the Type II or the IX or XXI subs. what we get in exchange is a Type VII sub that is 3D modeled and simulated from the forward tubes to the stern tubes. - that has been a BIG TICKET ITEM on the subsim wish list for a long time for a lot of players. secondly, though the stock campaign ends in 1943... i think ubisoft has a strategic overall reason for doing this. Dan "The Man" has said himself that SHV was made to be MORE modder friendly. Just like every subsim we have seen, SHV will grow and mature through modification to the liking of virtually everyone here! whenever the devs close a hatch, they open a MBT vent! (or whenver they close a door they open a window if you prefer) another BIG TICKET ITEM on a lot of subsimmers wish lists have been full crew with the option to interact with the crew members - even if on some limited scale. i am encouraged by the interview with members of the dev team as they have indicated that this exact item has been implemented. think about it people!!! think of all the things SH3 and SH4 have that they didnt come with stock playable surface ships, AI subs, Kiel Canal, hundreds of added surface ships, tweaked AI the list goes ever onward. previous installments of the Silent Hunter series were not without their bugs, errors, mistakes, overlooked items etc... SHV will have problems and wont meet everyones taste. at first anyway. but the Dev team IS looking out for us in the long run. Have faith in your dev team, though sometimes it might seem like they have ulterior motives - they are working for you! __________________ Last edited by Webster; 01-20-10 at 06:23 PM. Reason: merged 3 threads of the same topic

01-19-10, 09:58 PM	#11
cappy70 Ensign Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: USA/Florida/Sweden Posts: 234 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	3-D So very true,,I remember waaaaaaay back,,(see my join date) how this " take-a-walk-through-the-sub" was on everybodies wishlist and here it is finally coming. That is a MEGA HUGE thing for the SH-series. in spite of talk about the campaign length and or/any other issue. Smile, be happy.... __________________ Specs Windows 10 64 bit Pro Asus Z - 97A Intel I7-4790K 4 Ghz 16 Gig Trident Claw DDR 3 2 x 760 GTX 2048 mem in SLI. WD 1T Hd Ultra/WD Black 640 Corsair 850W PSU

01-19-10, 09:22 PM	#2
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Working for me? I don't think so. SH5 is not fit to polish SH3's boots. As it stands now, Ubisoft can keep SH5, and I can keep my money.

01-19-10, 09:33 PM	#4
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	Just one thing pisses me off.... The Q&A on the Ubi forum. They should've announced these "features" since September when we were still picking our jaws from the floor after the first trailer! Instead they told us to use our own toilets, ffs! Otherwise, I'm still game. The things that bother me most are the Dive teleport thing and the crew disappearing below decks. On the other hand you wouldn't be able to remain on deck to see them. Still, I would've loved to see them descent down the stairs and take their places.

01-19-10, 09:36 PM	#5
Mikhayl Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 485 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	That's the spirit

01-20-10, 05:45 PM	#9
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	IMHO were the marketing geniuses open and up front to begin with, I think things would be far different now. Had they announced this stuff back in September, sure, people would have been angry, but Ubisoft would have had many months to woo players back to the fold through some great videos that would have undoutedly softened the blow (time heals all wounds and all). But feeding us useless information does no more than make people sceptical, and more likely to look for the "sting" that must be hidden. When it comes, well, what do you expect? It finally came the other day for many people. Ubisoft now has just over one month to regain the confidence of those who are now obviously even more wary and sceptical. You think Ubisoft would have learnt from their SH4 marketing campaign. Ubisoft marketing department =

01-19-10, 10:11 PM	#12
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	From the sounds of things, all SH5 is, is Das boot the video game. Yeah sure an fully rendered interior is fantastic, but i find that for most of my gameplay in this series as so far, 90% of the time is spent in the nav map and periscope or TBT/UZO, swapping between the two via hotkey. A fully rendered interior to my style of play is a joy short lived. So you have more graphics, more roleplaying, and more das boot, but what you don't have is more simulation. Technical aspects that are missing that should be included, furthered, or refined. So gameplay wise, aside from the campaign that sounds like it wants to rewrite history, it seems like its going to be identical to SH3 and SH4. Couple that with the war "ending" in 43, and a total absence of my favorite uboat types , ( let alone my preferred theater and subs ), my verdict is: Meh. Not interested. If it at least had a type 9C, i'd probably sing a different tune.

01-19-10, 10:01 PM	#13
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Good post , the countdown is on . Should be some interesting reading on the forum until release LOL .