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08-28-08, 10:02 AM | #1 |
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Are these shells?
Are those copper coloured things round the gun area shells? Thankyou for any help.
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08-28-08, 10:28 AM | #2 |
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Since it's a shielded gun and not a full turret I'd say yes.
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08-28-08, 10:32 AM | #4 |
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Thanks.
It is a Flower Class.
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http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/Flower/ If you look around the site you will also find a VIIC surfacing just before it sank after depth charging by a flower, followed by 3-4 survivors being picked up.
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08-28-08, 12:08 PM | #7 |
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That does seem a fairly unsafe way to stow live shells in a combat situation though :hmm:
On the other hand, any engagement in which a Flower corvette has to use that many shells means the Flower has either won before using them all or sunk before being able to use them all... |
08-28-08, 04:02 PM | #8 |
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These are indeed shells in their quick-ready mounts lined around the platform of the 4" cannon. Here is a pic of the real deal:
It might be less safe than say an armoured locker but the cordite propellants are stored seperately, and in a chance engagement with a surfaced sub speed trumps safety. |
08-29-08, 12:37 AM | #9 | |
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http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_4-40_mk19.htm Other than that, I agree completely.
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08-29-08, 08:44 AM | #11 |
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The only thing I'm wondering is, how secure are the shells when the ship is rolling and pitching in a storm :hmm:
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08-29-08, 09:15 AM | #12 |
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Some things from the Flower class site that might interest:
The dammage left when U-379 was rammed and sunk by a Flower: A sub in it's last moments. I think this is most likely U-444, but could also be U-432. The photos are taken in 1943 from a Free French Flower Class that sank no U-boats, however, there was a major convoy/wolf pack engagement that I am 90% sure this Flower class was involved in. It took place in May '43 and U-444 and U-432 where both sunk wit 4 and 20 survivors respectively.
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08-29-08, 02:02 PM | #14 | |
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Thanks for pointing that out.
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I can see something conical* fitted to one end of those things but it doesn't look nearly long enough to be a projectile, so I'd think they're not shells, but cartridge cases.
Shell = The projectile. Cartridge = The complete preparation of propellant, usually bagged and packed already in the case when kept on ships. Cartridge case = The brass case the propellant is inside and which the shell fits on the end of. This is what you see in the picture. Round = The complete assembly. * perhaps nose caps to ease using mechanical means to move them around the ship. |
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