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12-05-07, 01:58 AM
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Rear Admiral
 
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I wonder if we really only have two engines
Ive had this hunch for awhile, and this kind of supports it.
You know all those post about only have 2 engines destroyed but being unable to move? Well, ive always thought, it was because we *really* only have two engines. Or so has been my hunch. Since the game is based off of Sh3, and in SH3, subs only had two main engines, not four. So, if you look closely at a subs UPC file, heres what you'll find: (note the bold sections) Quote:
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12-05-07, 02:02 AM
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Silent Hunter
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Interesting. What would happen if the zone ID was changed for 3 and 4?
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12-05-07, 02:06 AM
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Rear Admiral
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Im not sure, but my feeling is we'd be twice as vulnerable to being disabled. If theres only two *real* engine damage zones, it could mean that we'd concievably have twice the "surface area" exposed to damage. In short, if we lost any two of the engines, we'd still be dead in the water, only much quicker. Or so is my guess.
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12-05-07, 02:19 AM
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Ace of the Deep
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:hmm: You're probably right. And it would be a buggar to rewire the game to recognize/use them. As long as that was being done, another button might as well be added that could be used to turn them on and off. :hmm:
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12-05-07, 04:49 AM
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Admiral
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 May be it's not finished feature... And now it's eye-candy only ... :hmm: P.S. And (in Command Room sub interior) the part of dials do not work ... eye-candy ... because, have no own dial controllers ...
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12-05-07, 07:20 AM
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12-05-07, 07:46 AM
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12-05-07, 09:13 AM
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Grey Wolf
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Actually I found that if the HP for the engines is multiplied by two, you get the effect of having four engines.
I purposely got deck gunned by another ship after doing this mod to obtain damage to the diesles. The result? The damage acted as if it was taking out one engine at a time. I had two engines "destroyed" and two that were slighty damaged, and was still able to make 8 knots, with the diesle sound audible. I have to look at which files I modded, cause lately this has not been an issue with the mods, and patches of late. The S-boats are definitely modeled as having two engines, which is correct. They even have one propeller not turn while the batteries are charged. |
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12-05-07, 10:00 AM
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12-05-07, 11:25 AM
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Ahhh, c'mon, the 2 extra diesels are for the new advanced sub that was coming out at the end of the war. They worked off the CO2 in the spaces when under water and gave 18 knots. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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12-05-07, 12:21 PM
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Which engines were destroyed? 3 and 4, or 1 and 2? Theres a big difference there. |
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12-05-07, 01:09 PM
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Seaman
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Could it be.......?
Could this be the chink in the armour that allows us to get home even though we have a couple of engines damaged?......
Oh why oh why didn't I study computers in the Nav instead of learning how to find out where I was when surrounded by nothing but Blue Water? (just make sure you change charts before you run into the chart wall when you get to one of the edges of the chart). I know next to nothing, (alright to be honest....nothing at all), about programming or hex editing, etc. , But Ducimus where did you find these files? Is there a seperate file for each class of Sub? I'm wondering if I could tinker with them to see if'n I can get all four engines accounted for....Just a pipe dream maybe. 
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12-05-07, 01:11 PM
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Navy Seal
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This will mess with your experiments with AP DCs, but this is my idea.
There is zero chance in RL that the diesels would ALL be taken out by a DC attack. In addition, fleet boats had an aux engine not modeled in the game. To stop a fleet boat from moving forever, you need to destroy FIVE diesels in RL. Five. So, we should make the engines indestructible to DC attack. If their armor factor value is 4 like other things, meaning there is a 100 point damage threshold, we make the AFV 20 instead. Armor 20, AFV 20, then 400 damage is required to touch them (for stock it would be 500 (AV=25)). If it was 10, then 200 or 250. That's a minradius DC. Perhaps that is better. We do that, and a contact DC will damage the engines, bot anything else will not touch them... except GUNS that have AP. Drive on the surface, you can lose diesels, underwater, 100% safe except a boat killing DC. tater |
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12-05-07, 01:24 PM
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Navy Seal
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The diesels have 100 hitpoints.
zones glop: Code:
[DieselEngineRoom] Category=Engines Room Multiplier=1.000000 Flotability=20.00000 HitPoints=200 Destructible=No Armor Level=-1 Critic Flotation=0.15 Critical=No Effect1=#dc_bubbles, 10 Effect2=#Oil_trace, 20 FloodingTime=120 CargoType=None Code:
[DieselEngine1] Multiplier=1.000000 Flotability=0.000000 HitPoints=100 Destructible=No Armor Level=25 Critic Flotation=0.300000 Critical=No Father=29 FloodingTime=59.999996 CargoType=None [DieselEngine2] Multiplier=1.0 Flotability=0.0 HitPoints=100 Destructible=No Armor Level=25 Critic Flotation=0.300000 Critical=No Father=29 FloodingTime=59.999996 CargoType=None What we want is that a shell with AP (or a bomb) that HITS the engine room (not a near miss), can take them out. Since only 2 matter in game, it should be at least twice as hard. If a single hit to the compartment tends to hit both at once, then it should be 4 times harder to kill them. |
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12-05-07, 01:25 PM
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Lucky Jack
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Here is the crazy part of this game and modeled very poorly. Normally the 4 engined submarines could run at 15 1/2 knots on two engines. Thus saving fuel but also making good time at 15 1/2 knots. We have to run at 11 knots on supposedly 4 engines not to burn up fuel.
 Separate engine controls is almost a must with the present game setup.
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