[REL] Small Merchant CTD fix

tater · 07-18-07, 10:12 AM

I thought I would make a [REL] of Jace11's fix for the Taihosan Maru CTD. I noticed the problem, Jace bailed us out with the solution. This mod simply replaces the problem 1.2/1.3 Taihosan files with the original 1.0 files that did not exhibit the CTD behavior.

This CTD is ALWAYS possible in the game (1.2 and 1.3), but is rarely seen unless the Small Modern Composite Merchant (Taihosan Maru) has ammo as a cargo (internal/external), in which case the CTD happens virtually 100% of the time the ship is destroyed.

I consider this an obligatory mod, unless you are fond of CTDs randomly happening if you hit this ship with a weapon.

http://mpgtext.net/subshare/934Taiho...8Jace11%29.rar

tater

Mush Martin · 07-18-07, 10:24 AM

Good job figuring out the issue tater

tater · 07-18-07, 10:25 AM

All I did was CTD and narrow it to that ship, Jace11 fixed it.

tater

CaptainCox · 07-18-07, 01:12 PM

Cheers for this little fix guys!

I know you dug hard and deep to find it.

CaptainCox · 07-18-07, 01:22 PM

Oops! Conflict with the "Natural Sinking Mechanics" MOD by Werner Sobe

Would it be possible to post the tweak...please. Then one could put it in manually. Or even better Werner Sobe could probably incorporate it in to hes mod...if he wants of course.

Cheers!

tater · 07-20-07, 08:28 AM

We also need to make sure nematode's HP fix (modded in by mav87) is in there so a taihosan doesn't stop a convoy...

Version 2.0... I'll look into it.

LukeFF · 07-20-07, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

We also need to make sure nematode's HP fix (modded in by mav87) is in there so a taihosan doesn't stop a convoy...

Er, that was fixed in the 1.3 patch, right?

Bando · 07-20-07, 11:03 PM

Yes it is LukeFF, but the fix for the Taihosan is to import files from 1.0 back into 1.3, hence the Taihosan does not have the Nematode fix in it.

Jace11 · 07-21-07, 10:56 AM

Ok hello again...

Right, the Taihosan fix simply replaces 1.3 versions of NKSCS_Taihosan.dat and NKSCS_Taihosan.zon with the two files from version 1.0.

You should also know, I did not test replacing each on their own, so if someone could do that, that would be great.

This fix replaces the new damage model - which appears to have a bug that causes CTD with the old 1.0.

So while you can damage and sink the Taihosan now, you will find the superstructure and masts are not destructable - an unfortunate side-effect.

The ship engine horsepower mod is fixed by changes to the NKSCS_Taihosan.sim file which simply gives the engine more power, and as I haven't touched that, it should be fine.. (the NKSCS_Taihosan.sim is a 1.3 patch file).

Whereas, if you are using the realistic sinking mod of Werner, you MAY need to increase the hitpoints of the Taihosan by editing the 1.0 version of the zon file.

I am afraid I don't have time to test much at the moment - work etc, so if someone wants to see if either the zon or the dat from version 1.0 will fix it on its own, be my guest.. I just took both as it looked like a 3D model / damage problem.

tater · 07-21-07, 11:12 AM

You are right regarding the nematode fix. For some reason I thought it messed with the zon file.

tater · 07-21-07, 11:29 AM

Just tried it with only the zon and the CTD is gone.

Jace11 · 07-21-07, 11:41 AM

good work tater...

Did you split the ship in two and see that weird extended internal damage model..?

If that is gone too, then it just the zon required..

tater · 07-21-07, 11:43 AM

I never saw it split in two with limited testing just now.

I made a 2.0 release:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...396#post600396

tater

tater · 07-21-07, 11:47 AM

Tried again with just the zon. got it to split, this time i aimed 6 at the aft hold.

Split normally!

tater

Jace11 · 07-21-07, 11:57 AM

good news indeed..

07-18-07, 10:12 AM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	[REL] Small Merchant CTD fix I thought I would make a [REL] of Jace11's fix for the Taihosan Maru CTD. I noticed the problem, Jace bailed us out with the solution. This mod simply replaces the problem 1.2/1.3 Taihosan files with the original 1.0 files that did not exhibit the CTD behavior. This CTD is ALWAYS possible in the game (1.2 and 1.3), but is rarely seen unless the Small Modern Composite Merchant (Taihosan Maru) has ammo as a cargo (internal/external), in which case the CTD happens virtually 100% of the time the ship is destroyed. I consider this an obligatory mod, unless you are fond of CTDs randomly happening if you hit this ship with a weapon. http://mpgtext.net/subshare/934Taiho...8Jace11%29.rar tater

07-18-07, 10:24 AM	#2
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Good job figuring out the issue tater __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

07-18-07, 01:12 PM	#4
CaptainCox Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: A Swede in Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,897 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Cheers for this little fix guys! I know you dug hard and deep to find it. __________________ DOWNLOAD MY MODS HERE

07-18-07, 01:22 PM	#5
CaptainCox Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: A Swede in Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,897 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Oops! Conflict with the "Natural Sinking Mechanics" MOD by Werner Sobe Would it be possible to post the tweak...please. Then one could put it in manually. Or even better Werner Sobe could probably incorporate it in to hes mod...if he wants of course. Cheers! __________________ DOWNLOAD MY MODS HERE

07-20-07, 11:03 PM	#8
Bando Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Location: Where you don't see me Posts: 607 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Yes it is LukeFF, but the fix for the Taihosan is to import files from 1.0 back into 1.3, hence the Taihosan does not have the Nematode fix in it. __________________ Regards, Bando

07-18-07, 10:25 AM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	All I did was CTD and narrow it to that ship, Jace11 fixed it. tater

07-20-07, 08:28 AM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	We also need to make sure nematode's HP fix (modded in by mav87) is in there so a taihosan doesn't stop a convoy... Version 2.0... I'll look into it.

07-21-07, 10:56 AM	#9
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	Ok hello again... Right, the Taihosan fix simply replaces 1.3 versions of NKSCS_Taihosan.dat and NKSCS_Taihosan.zon with the two files from version 1.0. You should also know, I did not test replacing each on their own, so if someone could do that, that would be great. This fix replaces the new damage model - which appears to have a bug that causes CTD with the old 1.0. So while you can damage and sink the Taihosan now, you will find the superstructure and masts are not destructable - an unfortunate side-effect. The ship engine horsepower mod is fixed by changes to the NKSCS_Taihosan.sim file which simply gives the engine more power, and as I haven't touched that, it should be fine.. (the NKSCS_Taihosan.sim is a 1.3 patch file). Whereas, if you are using the realistic sinking mod of Werner, you MAY need to increase the hitpoints of the Taihosan by editing the 1.0 version of the zon file. I am afraid I don't have time to test much at the moment - work etc, so if someone wants to see if either the zon or the dat from version 1.0 will fix it on its own, be my guest.. I just took both as it looked like a 3D model / damage problem. Last edited by Jace11; 07-21-07 at 11:43 AM.

07-21-07, 11:12 AM	#10
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	You are right regarding the nematode fix. For some reason I thought it messed with the zon file.

07-21-07, 11:29 AM	#11
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Just tried it with only the zon and the CTD is gone.

07-21-07, 11:41 AM	#12
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	good work tater... Did you split the ship in two and see that weird extended internal damage model..? If that is gone too, then it just the zon required..

07-21-07, 11:43 AM	#13
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I never saw it split in two with limited testing just now. I made a 2.0 release: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...396#post600396 tater

07-21-07, 11:47 AM	#14
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Tried again with just the zon. got it to split, this time i aimed 6 at the aft hold. Split normally! tater

07-21-07, 11:57 AM	#15
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	good news indeed..