Compressed Air bug

ZaPPPa · 04-26-07, 08:02 PM

Something in SH4 causes compressed air to decrease in level at a pace at least three times the battery.

This could be a vanilla SH4 bug, a bug contained in a single mod or a bug caused by combining mods.

I am currently experiencing the bug and would like to know if other people have experienced it and what mods they were running at the time. Running SH4 vanilla I have never seen the bug, so I suspect it is a (side) effect of one of the mods I run.

Flavord to Taste 2.3
360 DBP Imperial 1.3
The dials mod (can't remember the name)
*Harder Enemy Escorts and Aircraft (SH4)
JP Ship Dimension Fix 1.2b
ParaB's fewer radio contacts
Realistic Crew Configs
Sky_Environment_Opt3
Slow_Smoke v3
Torpedoes [WIP]

*) I ran this mod before and experienced the bug as well.. Does anybody else run this without problems?

Ducimus · 04-26-07, 08:29 PM

:hmm: Ive never noticed. But then, i don't check my compressed air much anyway. Leftover habit from SH3. Game never used it except emergency blow. I'll keep an eye out for it though.

What you could do is disable all mods. Run SH4 stock and see if its still there. Then renamble the mods one by one, testing each mod after you renable it. Process of elimination.

ZaPPPa · 04-27-07, 09:47 AM

If you have the bug you'll notice it. I can't stay submerged for more than three hours because the air runs out.

The bug is not in SH4 stock, or at least I have never seen it and I have run with stock SH4 and limited mods for many hours. I know I can do elimination, but that is a very slow and boring process. I hope other people who are running lots of mods can tell me if they experience the same thing or not. Both pieces of information will server as a form of elimination as well.

U-Bones · 04-27-07, 10:02 AM

You would think that someone else would be encountering it, and perhaps they are but don't stay submerged long enough to notice. However, I have not heard of anyone else having the issue.

Good luck with it, hopefully someone will pipe up and give you a clue where to look.

602Sqn_Puff · 04-27-07, 10:20 AM

I encountered this bug, to fix it you need to see which mod is changing data/sim.cfg file. If the wave attentuation is set to anything lower than 0.75 { this is not the stock setting I know but I tweaked around with it } it will cause the boat to sink deeper as you go along, hence the game uses compressed air to keep at the depth you ordered.
This is a copy of the relevant section of my sim.cfg file

[Mech]
Waves amplitude=0.2 ;[0,1]
Waves attenuation=0.75 ;>=0

Hope this helps

The Harder escorts has the attentuation set to 0.06.....this is the cause of your problem, remove via jsgme and change the file in the mods folder, then reinstate.

Ducimus · 04-27-07, 10:48 AM

Mine changes the sim.cfg file, but i was very careful about, and deliberatly avoided messing with the wave mech settings

edit:

It just occured to me hes running my mod (which ramps up the AI), and another AI difficulty mod at the same time. There has to be a mod conflict there. If you run FTT, you really dont need to improve the AI. That is, unless you want it even harder then what ive set it at.

U-Bones · 04-27-07, 11:50 AM

If 0.06 burns your compressed air in 3 hours...

I am curious at the burn rate for .7 and .65 ...

ZaPPPa · 04-27-07, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 602Sqn_Puff

The Harder escorts has the attentuation set to 0.06.....this is the cause of your problem, remove via jsgme and change the file in the mods folder, then reinstate.

Excellent, thanks a bunch. I had a feeling it was that mod because it was the only mod I kept between the two times I encountered the bug. This bug and the solution should probably be put in some 'mod faq' to keep modders from changing the value below 0.75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It just occured to me hes running my mod (which ramps up the AI), and another AI difficulty mod at the same time. There has to be a mod conflict there. If you run FTT, you really dont need to improve the AI. That is, unless you want it even harder then what ive set it at.

You're probably right. I figured because it was a specialized sub-mod, the parameters were probably balanced a bit better, because combo-mods tend to focus on too many things (Trust me, I co-founded Rome: Total Realism.. been there, done that). I think I'll get rid of the mod and play with FTT to get a feel for your settings.

Thanks everyone.

602Sqn_Puff · 04-27-07, 01:22 PM

And what a mod RTR was { and still is mate

}

Ducimus · 04-27-07, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZaPPPa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It just occured to me hes running my mod (which ramps up the AI), and another AI difficulty mod at the same time. There has to be a mod conflict there. If you run FTT, you really dont need to improve the AI. That is, unless you want it even harder then what ive set it at.

You're probably right. I figured because it was a specialized sub-mod, the parameters were probably balanced a bit better, because combo-mods tend to focus on too many things (Trust me, I co-founded Rome: Total Realism.. been there, done that). I think I'll get rid of the mod and play with FTT to get a feel for your settings.

Thanks everyone.

Well, as modders go, i beleive everyone has certain areas their more apt at. Some guys are good at hex editing. Others are good at skinning or remixing sounds. Others are excellent campaign scripters, and ohters are good at tweaking variables and behaviors. While i dont think im the best at it, tweaking the Ai is one of those areas where im a bit more apt at then other areas. Honestly ive thought about releasing my AI adustments as a standalone mod, but didnt want to "compete" with anyone. So i jsut kept all my doings in my own work and minded my own buisness.

I have gotten some good feedback on it:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...6&postcount=75
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...2&postcount=93
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...4&postcount=94

Still needs a bit of work with the depth charges, but overall its sounding pretty close to being "there".

buteobuteo · 04-27-07, 07:13 PM

[quote=ZaPPPa Something in SH4 causes compressed air to decrease in level at a pace at least three times the battery.]

I also had this problem during one patrol,but it only happened once during the patrol and that was whilst running at periscope depth for a long time.

At 100 feet it was ok.

waves amplitude=0.2
waves attenuation=0.01

04-26-07, 08:02 PM	#1
ZaPPPa Watch Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 26 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Compressed Air bug Something in SH4 causes compressed air to decrease in level at a pace at least three times the battery. This could be a vanilla SH4 bug, a bug contained in a single mod or a bug caused by combining mods. I am currently experiencing the bug and would like to know if other people have experienced it and what mods they were running at the time. Running SH4 vanilla I have never seen the bug, so I suspect it is a (side) effect of one of the mods I run. Flavord to Taste 2.3 360 DBP Imperial 1.3 The dials mod (can't remember the name) Harder Enemy Escorts and Aircraft (SH4) JP Ship Dimension Fix 1.2b ParaB's fewer radio contacts Realistic Crew Configs Sky_Environment_Opt3 Slow_Smoke v3 Torpedoes [WIP] ) I ran this mod before and experienced the bug as well.. Does anybody else run this without problems?

04-26-07, 08:29 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	:hmm: Ive never noticed. But then, i don't check my compressed air much anyway. Leftover habit from SH3. Game never used it except emergency blow. I'll keep an eye out for it though. What you could do is disable all mods. Run SH4 stock and see if its still there. Then renamble the mods one by one, testing each mod after you renable it. Process of elimination.

04-27-07, 09:47 AM	#3
ZaPPPa Watch Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 26 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	If you have the bug you'll notice it. I can't stay submerged for more than three hours because the air runs out. The bug is not in SH4 stock, or at least I have never seen it and I have run with stock SH4 and limited mods for many hours. I know I can do elimination, but that is a very slow and boring process. I hope other people who are running lots of mods can tell me if they experience the same thing or not. Both pieces of information will server as a form of elimination as well.

04-27-07, 10:02 AM	#4
U-Bones Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Treading Water Posts: 847 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	You would think that someone else would be encountering it, and perhaps they are but don't stay submerged long enough to notice. However, I have not heard of anyone else having the issue. Good luck with it, hopefully someone will pipe up and give you a clue where to look.

04-27-07, 10:20 AM	#5
602Sqn_Puff Ensign Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland Posts: 233 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	I encountered this bug, to fix it you need to see which mod is changing data/sim.cfg file. If the wave attentuation is set to anything lower than 0.75 { this is not the stock setting I know but I tweaked around with it } it will cause the boat to sink deeper as you go along, hence the game uses compressed air to keep at the depth you ordered. This is a copy of the relevant section of my sim.cfg file [Mech] Waves amplitude=0.2 ;[0,1] Waves attenuation=0.75 ;>=0 Hope this helps The Harder escorts has the attentuation set to 0.06.....this is the cause of your problem, remove via jsgme and change the file in the mods folder, then reinstate.

04-27-07, 10:48 AM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Mine changes the sim.cfg file, but i was very careful about, and deliberatly avoided messing with the wave mech settings edit: It just occured to me hes running my mod (which ramps up the AI), and another AI difficulty mod at the same time. There has to be a mod conflict there. If you run FTT, you really dont need to improve the AI. That is, unless you want it even harder then what ive set it at.

04-27-07, 11:50 AM	#7
U-Bones Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Treading Water Posts: 847 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	If 0.06 burns your compressed air in 3 hours... I am curious at the burn rate for .7 and .65 ...

04-27-07, 01:22 PM	#9
602Sqn_Puff Ensign Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland Posts: 233 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	And what a mod RTR was { and still is mate }

04-27-07, 07:13 PM	#11
buteobuteo Mate Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 55 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	[quote=ZaPPPa Something in SH4 causes compressed air to decrease in level at a pace at least three times the battery.] I also had this problem during one patrol,but it only happened once during the patrol and that was whilst running at periscope depth for a long time. At 100 feet it was ok. waves amplitude=0.2 waves attenuation=0.01