[REL] FOTRS Ultimate Project

[Hitman]

1. AI Sensor modifications...... after "verifying" that what they read is what you get? In other words, checking to see if a 1000 yards maximum range is truly a 1000 yards range? I've got my suspicions that it is not and that's why the AI (game controlled units) Visuals, Sonar, Radar, Hydrophone are producing superhuman tendencies in-game. Not that a little of this is all bad but, I want more realistic game play.

From what I have experienced so far, the own crew visual sensors are pretty well adjusted, I have yet to be in a situation where I can see a ship/plane and my crew can't spot it or the opposite. This is true both night and day, so good job thus far in that regard!

Regarding the enemy visual sensor, I have not taken real risks, so I can't say if the merchant crew sensors can spot you easily or not, but I tend to think they are more in the "stupid" side (Which is fine). Once a ship is hit, though, they are quite alert and can spot you surfacing at night at 2-3000 yards where they had not seen you surfaced previously. Their gun accurancy is good with small weapons, not as good with deck guns, which again is a relief and probably quite realistic.

Finally, I am shooting ships with salvos of two torpedoes each, always one set for contact, one for magnetic pistol. Contact fuses are quite reliable, magnetic ones are failing around 50%.

[Immelmann]

Departing Pearl, mid '42, Tambor. Command room depth gauges do not agree with each other, nor do they agree with the task bar depth reading. Task bar value seems to agree with selected and desired depth.

edit: Also engine tachometers frozen at 150 rpm.

[aanker]

Originally Posted by Immelmann

Departing Pearl, mid '42, Tambor. Command room depth gauges do not agree with each other, nor do they agree with the task bar depth reading. Task bar value seems to agree with selected and desired depth.

edit: Also engine tachometers frozen at 150 rpm.

The Interior SIM files for the gauges need to be adjusted .... this is a beta and they haven't got to it yet is my guess.

[CapnScurvy]

Originally Posted by Larrywb57

Can the mod Big Better Protractors be used. Hard to see the numbers on the map compass with these old eyes!

Yes, the Bigger Better Protractors by White Owl....work just fine!

Originally Posted by Hitman

From what I have experienced so far, the own crew visual sensors are pretty well adjusted, I have yet to be in a situation where I can see a ship/plane and my crew can't spot it or the opposite. This is true both night and day, so good job thus far in that regard!

Regarding the enemy visual sensor, I have not taken real risks, so I can't say if the merchant crew sensors can spot you easily or not, but I tend to think they are more in the "stupid" side (Which is fine). Once a ship is hit, though, they are quite alert and can spot you surfacing at night at 2-3000 yards where they had not seen you surfaced previously. Their gun accurancy is good with small weapons, not as good with deck guns, which again is a relief and probably quite realistic.

Finally, I am shooting ships with salvos of two torpedoes each, always one set for contact, one for magnetic pistol. Contact fuses are quite reliable, magnetic ones are failing around 50%.

The AI visual setting is what I'm working on. I'm trying to get an AI detection of a surface sub at an approximate maximum range of 6000 yards or less during the day, in 5mph sea state (anything over this is too far away). Also allowing a detection of a submerged sub with just the periscope showing at about 1200-1500yds max range for the same type of environment. AND, having a surfaced sub NOT detected at 1200yds range or more on a moon less night! Believe me, this is tricky! A parameter change to one aspect, effects the others! Getting them to all do the stated behavior is going to take some "out of the box" thinking. This behavior is NOT what the game does now. Night attacks do not work as I've described, although this is truly a realistic expectation for night attacks!

That's what I'm testing/working on.

Originally Posted by Immelmann

Command room depth gauges do not agree with each other, nor do they agree with the task bar depth reading. Task bar value seems to agree with selected and desired depth.

edit: Also engine tachometers frozen at 150 rpm.

You don't state how far the depth gauges are off? If's it's 10 feet or so....no big deal. You have to remember something, the Stock game didn't even expect you to read the gauges......especially the engine tachometers!! You couldn't move around the Command Room to even get a look at the things......not to mention read them.

[Larrywb57]

Originally Posted by jldjs

Larrywb57,
I’ve been using this mod for months without any perceived issues.

Roger that, I have been using the mod with v.0.63. Just making sure it was good to use with the newest version.

[torpedobait]

As shown in the pics I have hopefully been able to upload, this huge liner came along and fell victim to three (plus one dud) torpedoes. Notice in the first pic the flag is properly placed. In the next two you can see the flag keeps right on trucking along, without the ship! I watched as the ship sank stern first. The flag stopped forward momentum, went high above the bow, and was the last thing to "sink", still way out of position.

Bet you could fix that one!

[Larrywb57]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

Yes, the Bigger Better Protractors by White Owl....work just fine!

Originally Posted by Propbeanie

First, Bigger Better Protractors should work fine with v0.71

Thanks Capn Scurvy & Propbeanie...

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by torpedobait

As shown in the pics I have hopefully been able to upload, this huge liner came along and fell victim to three (plus one dud) torpedoes. Notice in the first pic the flag is properly placed. In the next two you can see the flag keeps right on trucking along, without the ship! I watched as the ship sank stern first. The flag stopped forward momentum, went high above the bow, and was the last thing to "sink", still way out of position.

Bet you could fix that one!

Oooohhh, you found another! We weren't adding the John H Roberts Class to the game previously, because the radar and communications arrays would be 30 feet above the ship as it was sinking. S7rikeback found it, and it lay in the damage ZON file not "covering" (literally) the parts, so they were never "destroyed"... We'll get the mechanic on it right away!...

[Immelmann]

Originally Posted by torpedobait

The flag stopped forward momentum, went high above the bow, and was the last thing to "sink", still way out of position. Bet you could fix that one!

Could it be that you did so much damage that you blew the flag mast off the boat? Maybe crazy game physics could account for it's motion once detached?

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

You don't state how far the depth gauges are off? If's it's 10 feet or so....no big deal. You have to remember something, the Stock game didn't even expect you to read the
gauges......especially the engine tachometers!! You couldn't move around the Command Room to even get a look at the things......not to mention read them.

Sorry about that. Here is a screenshot. I have selected 200 feet using the task bar depth indicator because it is the only one that will respond. The Tambor is at 200 feet in this image. As you can see, the middle dial shows 300 feet and the outer 2 read about 90 feet. And the tachometers stay at 150 rpm regardless of engine speed. I seem to recall all of these working correctly in v0.63, although the boat may not have been a Tambor. More likely a Balao. I seem to remember being able to click on the command deck depth dials and have the command followed. I sure do remember the tachs working because I would go have a look to see that I was at or below 100 rpm for stealthiness. The only way, that I am aware of, to check engine speed. Thanks for all the hard work guys! I can't wait to feel the suspense of an enemy torpedo bearing down on my boat.

[hauangua]

Have a question :
Could the "Navigation Map Make-Over" Mod (NMMO 2.1) be compatible with FOTRSU?
(The purpose of this mod is to make the Navigation Map more useful and informative than the stock version.)
Thanks

[s7rikeback]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Oooohhh, you found another! We weren't adding the John H Roberts Class to the game previously, because the radar and communications arrays would be 30 feet above the ship as it was sinking. S7rikeback found it, and it lay in the damage ZON file not "covering" (literally) the parts, so they were never "destroyed"... We'll get the mechanic on it right away!...

I'm on it now...

[CapnScurvy]

Originally Posted by Immelmann

Sorry about that. Here is a screenshot. I have selected 200 feet using the task bar depth indicator because it is the only one that will respond. The Tambor is at 200 feet in this image. As you can see, the middle dial shows 300 feet and the outer 2 read about 90 feet. And the tachometers stay at 150 rpm regardless of engine speed. I seem to recall all of these working correctly in v0.63, although the boat may not have been a Tambor. More likely a Balao. I seem to remember being able to click on the command deck depth dials and have the command followed. I sure do remember the tachs working because I would go have a look to see that I was at or below 100 rpm for stealthiness. The only way, that I am aware of, to check engine speed.Could it be that you did so much damage that you blew the flag mast off the boat? Maybe crazy game physics could account for it's motion once detached?

Hmmmm. That's strange that they are doing that! Originally, I put my OTC interiors with FOTRS. And yes, you could mouse click the edge of the dials to make a new depth, or rudder change. They were interactive with almost all parts of the interior dials and gauges. I looked yesterday to see what may have been out of place but couldn't find anything too unusual. With the new info you've given me I'll look again, trying to copy your settings?

The Tambor uses the Gato interior, which is also used in the Balao. If one is messed up, so should the others.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by hauangua

Have a question :
Could the "Navigation Map Make-Over" Mod (NMMO 2.1) be compatible with FOTRSU?
(The purpose of this mod is to make the Navigation Map more useful and informative than the stock version.)
Thanks

No, it is not 100% compatible, but that set is on the list

[s7rikeback]

Originally Posted by torpedobait

As shown in the pics I have hopefully been able to upload, this huge liner came along and fell victim to three (plus one dud) torpedoes. Notice in the first pic the flag is properly placed. In the next two you can see the flag keeps right on trucking along, without the ship! I watched as the ship sank stern first. The flag stopped forward momentum, went high above the bow, and was the last thing to "sink", still way out of position.

Bet you could fix that one!

Ok. That area where the flag is, had no damage model attached. So it just kept going onto the sunset and finally got dragged under.

I have now added a damage mode in the .zonl, and cross linked with the .dat.
8 torp impacts and gunnery action she finally goes down..





Now, having done all this, I surfaced my sub to finish of the above with deck guns, but no matter what I did on the order bar, the guns would not populate with gunners. Even with attempting to issue battle stations. I had to manually man the guns and take out the vessel.

During my testing, before and after my changes, I seem to have the above shadow... When the unit has been destroyed.
I'm going to re-test my mission and get all details together, and then report back on what I find.

[hauangua]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

The Tambor uses the Gato interior, which is also used in the Balao. If one is messed up, so should the others.

I have tested 4 time Tambor in patrol and never haved this problem, depht meter working very good, And engine RPM too very good. I think maybe corrupted installation file?
I thinked this because yesterday happened strange thing..
In patrol
I increased TC all normal Max 2048 impossible more, but suddenly I could go over !! Arrived at 8192 !! as a stock game !! I got out of the game I recharged .. still the same problem TC can go over 2048!
I thought about bad installation .. or bad download? .. I probed Re-download Fotrsu 0.71 uninstall, clean registry (ccleaner) and reinstall .. now all work good.
I believe sometimes the download can have problems .. (internet problem for example)
So is possible to"attach" to the download of FOTRSU a "utility" as it can be (I thinked) md5cecksum .. could be useful?
Forgive my English.