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Rockstar · 12-22-18, 10:56 PM

great quotes by Truman and Patton

I have the utmost respect for these Generals I stand in awe of their abilityl to wage war, achievements, leadership and intelligence. But thankfully they dont run the show.

Cybermat47 · 12-22-18, 11:32 PM

The difference between Truman and Trump is that your allies respected Truman. We don’t respect Trump. But we do respect Mattis.

Meanwhile, enjoy your guns while you can, because it turns out that former Democratic Party supporter Donald Trump is doing Democrat things.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1471...ryone-shrugged

https://www.salon.com/2018/12/19/con...ump-stock-ban/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ump-stock-ban/

Cybermat47 · 12-22-18, 11:55 PM

Anyway, in the interest of discussing something rather than just arguing in circles, what would you guys say is Pres. Trump’s biggest success so far? I’m interested in knowing more about why people support him.

Buddahaid · 12-23-18, 12:00 AM

All that means nothing. Whatever Trump says can never be counted on.

Cybermat47 · 12-23-18, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Whatever Trump says can never be counted on.

That was my point.

To quote one of my disillusioned Trump supporting friends, he’s “just another politician”.

Cybermat47 · 12-23-18, 07:07 AM

Republican Representative elect, retired USN SEAL Lieutenant Commander, and wounded Iraq veteran Dan Crenshaw on why America should stay in Syria:

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President Barack Obama was planning to fulfill his campaign promise of total troop withdrawal, despite objections from military leadership. While the situation seemed stable, it was obvious to those of us on the ground that it was only stable because the United States was there. The rest of the story is the history of the Islamic State.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.2070292d0a3f

Rockstar · 12-23-18, 07:37 AM

This isnt about Trump. As much as I agree with MacArthur, Patton, and Mattis and admire their ability to wage war. and bring destruction upon the enemy. They dont run the show, they are told by civilian government when to kill and for how long to go about that task.

What was the purpose of U.S military involvement in Syria? Has it been accomplished?

Now for Trump, how exactly has been disrespectful to our allies?

u crank · 12-23-18, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Anyway, in the interest of discussing something rather than just arguing in circles, what would you guys say is Pres. Trump’s biggest success so far? I’m interested in knowing more about why people support him.

One could list a few but then the naysayers come out of the woodwork. But for sure one is exposing the depth of an unelected corporate state that cares very little if anything for the will of the citizens. Deciding to disengage from foreign military operations exposes this quite clearly. The shrill and hysterical hyper ventilating from the Pravda arm (MSNBC,CNN, and even FOX news) of this corporate state is evidence of that. I am not a big Trump fan but things like this are reason to think his presidency is not all a waste. This corporate state knows no political affiliation and only seeks compliant Presidents like GWB and Obama. Hillary Clinton would have taken this to a new level. Trump, (on some issues, not all) refuses to go along. The main two that I see are unlimited illegal immigration and endless foreign military engagements. Trump campaigned on those issues and shows a determination to keep his promises.

Rockstar · 12-23-18, 09:55 AM

Now I dont completely agree with the idea that all policy is determined by the Military Industrial Complex. But this article is close enough.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.glo...ca/5633549/amp

Unlike corporations that sell to consumers, Lockheed Martin and the other top contractors to the U.S. Government are highly if not totally dependent upon sales to governments, for their profits, especially sales to their own government, which they control — they control their home market, which is the U.S. Government, and they use it to sell to its allied governments, all of which foreign governments constitute the export markets for their products and services.

These corporations control the U.S. Government, and they control NATO. And, here is how they do it, which is essential to understand, in order to be able to make reliable sense of America’s foreign policies, such as which nations are ‘allies’ of the U.S. Government (such as Saudi Arabia and Israel), and which nations are its ‘enemies’ (such as Libya and Syria) — and are thus presumably suitable for America to invade, or else to overthrow by means of a coup. First, the nation’s head-of-state becomes demonized; then, the invasion or coup happens. And, that’s it. And here’s how.

ikalugin · 12-23-18, 10:03 AM

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First, the nation’s head-of-state becomes demonized; then, the invasion or coup happens. And, that’s it. And here’s how.

It all makes sense now, considering how Russia is the number two exporter of arms and how China is catching up.

August · 12-23-18, 11:05 AM

If you're really interested then here's one example:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...romise-keeping

Quote:

As Trump nears the two-year mark of his historic election and conducts political rallies around the country, during which he talks up his wins in hopes it will energize Republican voters, the administration has counted up 289 accomplishments in 18 categories, capped by the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.
They include 173 major wins, such as adding more than 4 million jobs, and another 116 smaller victories, some with outsize importance, such as the 83 percent one-year increase in arrests of MS-13 gang members.

Mr Quatro · 12-23-18, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Anyway, in the interest of discussing something rather than just arguing in circles, what would you guys say is Pres. Trump’s biggest success so far? I’m interested in knowing more about why people support him.

The tax thingy I was against, but I guess it's working so far and of course the fact that we don't have Hillary Clinton to kick around and discuss is my number one plus for President Trump being the POTUS.

He has been very supportive of the military and the budget for new weapons will outlast the democrats in Congress for two more years.

eddie · 12-23-18, 01:07 PM

The new tax bill is working!?! Got to be kidding me,lol Deficits are at an all time high, spending is way up, but tax revenues are way down, can't get any better then that!!

Mr Quatro · 12-23-18, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddie

The new tax bill is working!?! Got to be kidding me,lol Deficits are at an all time high, spending is way up, but tax revenues are way down, can't get any better then that!!

It's more of a personal thing than a collective one

August · 12-23-18, 07:40 PM

12-22-18, 10:56 PM	#6166
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	great quotes by Truman and Patton I have the utmost respect for these Generals I stand in awe of their abilityl to wage war, achievements, leadership and intelligence. But thankfully they dont run the show. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

12-22-18, 11:32 PM	#6167
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,386 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 22	The difference between Truman and Trump is that your allies respected Truman. We don’t respect Trump. But we do respect Mattis. Meanwhile, enjoy your guns while you can, because it turns out that former Democratic Party supporter Donald Trump is doing Democrat things. https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1471...ryone-shrugged https://www.salon.com/2018/12/19/con...ump-stock-ban/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ump-stock-ban/ __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394 Last edited by Cybermat47; 12-23-18 at 01:03 AM.

12-22-18, 11:55 PM	#6168
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,386 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 22	Anyway, in the interest of discussing something rather than just arguing in circles, what would you guys say is Pres. Trump’s biggest success so far? I’m interested in knowing more about why people support him. __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394 Last edited by Cybermat47; 12-23-18 at 01:08 AM.

12-23-18, 12:00 AM	#6169
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,558 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	All that means nothing. Whatever Trump says can never be counted on. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-23-18, 07:37 AM	#6172
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	This isnt about Trump. As much as I agree with MacArthur, Patton, and Mattis and admire their ability to wage war. and bring destruction upon the enemy. They dont run the show, they are told by civilian government when to kill and for how long to go about that task. What was the purpose of U.S military involvement in Syria? Has it been accomplished? Now for Trump, how exactly has been disrespectful to our allies? __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 12-23-18 at 07:55 AM.

12-23-18, 09:55 AM	#6174
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Now I dont completely agree with the idea that all policy is determined by the Military Industrial Complex. But this article is close enough. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.glo...ca/5633549/amp Unlike corporations that sell to consumers, Lockheed Martin and the other top contractors to the U.S. Government are highly if not totally dependent upon sales to governments, for their profits, especially sales to their own government, which they control — they control their home market, which is the U.S. Government, and they use it to sell to its allied governments, all of which foreign governments constitute the export markets for their products and services. These corporations control the U.S. Government, and they control NATO. And, here is how they do it, which is essential to understand, in order to be able to make reliable sense of America’s foreign policies, such as which nations are ‘allies’ of the U.S. Government (such as Saudi Arabia and Israel), and which nations are its ‘enemies’ (such as Libya and Syria) — and are thus presumably suitable for America to invade, or else to overthrow by means of a coup. First, the nation’s head-of-state becomes demonized; then, the invasion or coup happens. And, that’s it. And here’s how. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

12-23-18, 01:07 PM	#6178
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	The new tax bill is working!?! Got to be kidding me,lol Deficits are at an all time high, spending is way up, but tax revenues are way down, can't get any better then that!! __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-23-18, 07:40 PM	#6180
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	__________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.