The Firearm thread: Engineering artistry of wood, polymer and steel. - Page 27

Catfish · 06-16-20, 08:55 AM

^ After watching this it seems people are frightened that law and order ends due to the pandemic, that police, militia and military will not be able to keep a state of control, so they all buy weapons to defend themselves against looters, or the next civil war.
Not that i would expect this happening, but – when the situation happens it is a bit late if you did not plan in time. Which is why some prepare for such a situation. I guess in a country where everyone can buy weapons everywhere and anytime it indeed makes sense.

@Neal
point 1: lol

point 2: I think the videos were actually well-made, i probably misunderstood something with the 'cartridge chamber' (Patronenlager, if is this the right word).

Cybermat47 · 06-16-20, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^ After watching this it seems people are frightened that law and order ends due to the pandemic, that police, militia and military will not be able to keep a state of control, so they all buy weapons to defend themselves against looters, or the next civil war.

Ah, I thought the talk of rioting was in reference to the George Floyd protests - not the peaceful protests, obviously, the rioting that’s been occurring simultaneously. My mistake.

I say that if things got that bad, just steal an M14 while scavenging from the remains of a US military base. Or, in your situation Catfish, go for an MG3

Catfish · 06-16-20, 09:15 AM

^ the MG 42 or "3" has a much too high shot frequency, could not afford the ammo with 1300/min.. I actually have been trained on this, it builds up an insane muzzle heat in a very short time; maybe i will better steal a new "5" then

August · 11-25-20, 10:09 AM

em2nought · 11-25-20, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I say that if things got that bad, just steal an M14 while scavenging from the remains of a US military base.

Those AR-14s are hard to find.

Mr Quatro · 11-25-20, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought

Those AR-14s are hard to find.

How about a replica?

August · 11-25-20, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought

Those AR-14s are hard to find.

I wouldn't mind having an M14. Wouldn't mind an AR-10 either. My buddy thinks I would buy one with an upper chambered for .243 Winchester which is a legal hunting round in all 50 states.

Onkel Neal · 02-21-21, 11:31 AM

August, .308 or 6.5 Creedmore. Power/precision. Educate me.

Looking at this
https://ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/models.html

August · 02-21-21, 12:00 PM

From what I read statistically the Creedmore is the better round especially if you intend on doing a lot of long range shooting.

Check out this field and stream review:

https://www.fieldandstream.com/65-cr...08-winchester/

Aktungbby · 02-21-21, 12:49 PM

/\ precisely. Unless your a 800-1200 yd. target shooter with reloading mania as I am with the .45-70 in Shiloh Sharps carbine or original 1876 Trapdoor Springfield (infantry), stick with the .308. It has a greater variety of projectile weights(as yet) and is rated at 5000 rounds to the gun barrel's life expectancy whereas the 6.5 mm is half as many rounds for the barrel life: 2500.

..on a costly $2,000+ Creedmore rifle?? Costs are an issue for any shooter and buying new guns for an already ample arsenal at my age is not worth it. The 6.5 is only slightly more accurate with slightly less shoulder recoil. Both rounds will get the job done for hunting anything in North America at more typical ranges under 500 yards.

The Field and Stream side-by-side comparison article I read B4 posting this blog had an Hornady advertising tone in favor of the 6.5mm over the tried and true .308; hence my skepticism.

3catcircus · 02-21-21, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

/\ precisely. Unless your a 800-1200 yd. target shooter with reloading mania as I am with the .45-70 in Shiloh Sharps carbine or original 1876 Trapdoor Springfield (infantry), stick with the .308. It has a greater variety of projectile weights(as yet) and is rated at 5000 rounds to the gun barrel's life expectancy whereas the 6.5 mm is half as many rounds for the barrel life: 2500.

..on a costly $2,000+ Creedmore rifle?? Costs are an issue for any shooter and buying new guns for an already ample arsenal at my age is not worth it. The 6.5 is only slightly more accurate with slightly less shoulder recoil. Both rounds will get the job done for hunting anything in North America at more typical ranges under 500 yards.

The Field and Stream side-by-side comparison article I read B4 posting this blog had an Hornady advertising tone in favor of the 6.5mm over the tried and true .308; hence my skepticism.

*Most* people are never going to effectively use the exotic rounds like the Creedmoor or the .338 Lapua because they're most useful in the edge cases - killing people at long range in a military role. Sure the creedmoor can take out deer just fine, but .270 or .308 is just as effective. The recoil I think, is what most people are raving about with the creedmoor.

I'd argue that .22LR, .223 Rem, or Win .308 are probably the most versatile all-around. The .22LR for plinking since it's so cheap to buy, .223 Rem for your coyotes and other farm/ranch predators, and the. 308 for pretty much everything else except grizzlies or moose

MaDef · 02-21-21, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 3catcircus

*Most* people are never going to effectively use the exotic rounds like the Creedmoor or the .338 Lapua because they're most useful in the edge cases - killing people at long range in a military role. Sure the creedmoor can take out deer just fine, but .270 or .308 is just as effective. The recoil I think, is what most people are raving about with the creedmoor.

I'd argue that .22LR, .223 Rem, or Win .308 are probably the most versatile all-around. The .22LR for plinking since it's so cheap to buy, .223 Rem for your coyotes and other farm/ranch predators, and the. 308 for pretty much everything else except grizzlies or moose

True but the creedmoor has better ballistics than the 308, which means less bullet drop and wind drift at a distance.

August · 02-21-21, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

True but the creedmoor has better ballistics than the 308, which means less bullet drop and wind drift at a distance.

Yeah especially handy in those flat Texas prairies where long shots are pretty much the order of the day.

les green01 · 02-21-21, 11:44 PM

here a web site link if your guys are having trouble finding ammo like i was https://www.wikiarms.com/group/308win now if i can find more rounds for the 45 long colt i did break down and buy a M-1A but mine dad being the old Marine that he is took off with it,right now i been packing the Smith & Wesson’s Model S&W500

Rockstar · 02-22-21, 12:06 AM

Looking .45 colt try www.buffalobore.com, a tad pricey.

06-16-20, 08:55 AM	#391
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ After watching this it seems people are frightened that law and order ends due to the pandemic, that police, militia and military will not be able to keep a state of control, so they all buy weapons to defend themselves against looters, or the next civil war. Not that i would expect this happening, but – when the situation happens it is a bit late if you did not plan in time. Which is why some prepare for such a situation. I guess in a country where everyone can buy weapons everywhere and anytime it indeed makes sense. @Neal point 1: lol point 2: I think the videos were actually well-made, i probably misunderstood something with the 'cartridge chamber' (Patronenlager, if is this the right word). __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 06-16-20 at 09:32 AM.*

06-16-20, 09:15 AM	#393
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ the MG 42 or "3" has a much too high shot frequency, could not afford the ammo with 1300/min.. I actually have been trained on this, it builds up an insane muzzle heat in a very short time; maybe i will better steal a new "5" then __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	__________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

02-21-21, 12:49 PM	#400
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,857 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	/\ precisely. Unless your a 800-1200 yd. target shooter with reloading mania as I am with the .45-70 in Shiloh Sharps carbine or original 1876 Trapdoor Springfield (infantry), stick with the .308. It has a greater variety of projectile weights(as yet) and is rated at 5000 rounds to the gun barrel's life expectancy whereas the 6.5 mm is half as many rounds for the barrel life: 2500...on a costly $2,000+ Creedmore rifle?? Costs are an issue for any shooter and buying new guns for an already ample arsenal at my age is not worth it. The 6.5 is only slightly more accurate with slightly less shoulder recoil. Both rounds will get the job done for hunting anything in North America at more typical ranges under 500 yards. The Field and Stream side-by-side comparison article I read B4 posting this blog had an Hornady advertising tone in favor of the 6.5mm over the tried and true .308; hence my skepticism. __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe" Last edited by Aktungbby; 02-21-21 at 01:02 PM.

02-21-21, 11:44 PM	#404
les green01 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Freeman Missouri Posts: 1,735 Downloads: 1375 Uploads: 0	here a web site link if your guys are having trouble finding ammo like i was https://www.wikiarms.com/group/308win now if i can find more rounds for the 45 long colt i did break down and buy a M-1A but mine dad being the old Marine that he is took off with it,right now i been packing the Smith & Wesson’s Model S&W500 __________________ I'll tell you what bravery really is. Bravery is just determination to do a job that you know has to be done. Audie Murphy

02-21-21, 11:31 AM	#398
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,284 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	August, .308 or 6.5 Creedmore. Power/precision. Educate me. Looking at this https://ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/models.html

02-21-21, 12:00 PM	#399
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	From what I read statistically the Creedmore is the better round especially if you intend on doing a lot of long range shooting. Check out this field and stream review: https://www.fieldandstream.com/65-cr...08-winchester/

02-22-21, 12:06 AM	#405
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,833 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Looking .45 colt try www.buffalobore.com, a tad pricey. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.