US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[August]

Interesting article. Who will win? So far it's been all Trump.



Why the Media Keeps Losing to Donald Trump

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...s-media-548562

Donald Trump is obsessed with the media. And the media is obsessed with Trump. Let’s take it as a given that this obsession is unhealthy. The last time there was such a level of neurotic fixation and overwhelming distrust between a president and the press was during the Nixon administration. The current White House would be well aware that the press won that war—and that the stakes now can be mortal.Indeed, each side believes that, given its druthers, the other would kill it. So how does this bitter and potentially lethal game play out?

[Oberon]

Define 'winning', because right now it seems that both are losing.

[Rockstar]

What Trump, Nixon and the media are doing today don't compare to what Lincoln was doing about the fake news networks of the time.

http://civilwarhome.com/fakeproclamation.html


Maj. Gen. JOHN A. DIX,
Commanding, New York:

Whereas, there has been wickedly and traitorously printed and published this morning in the New York World and New York Journal of Commerce, newspapers printed and published in the city of New York, a false and spurious proclamation purporting to be signed by the President and to be countersigned by the Secretary of State, which publication is of a treasonable nature, designed to give aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States and to the rebels now at war against the Government, and their aiders and abettors, you are, therefore, hereby commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison in any fort or military prison in your command the editors, proprietors, and publishers of the aforesaid newspapers, and all such persons as, after public notice has been given of the falsehood of said publication, print and publish the same, with intent to give aid and comfort to the enemy, and you will hold the persons so arrested in close custody until they can be brought to trial before a military commission for their offense. You will also take possession, by military force, of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce and hold the same until further orders, and prevent any further publication therefrom.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

[Catfish]

^ Trump's next decree.
Fakes in fakes, in alternative facts..

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

Other than that being against the law?

Law only works when enforced.

Originally Posted by Platapus

We do need some sort of interstate database to keep track of people who have two or more legal residences and to ensure that for each election only one residence is used for voter registration.

We tend to resist any type of national ID database, but as more and more citizens are more and more mobile and the concept of one main residence may not apply, there needs to be some method of keeping track.

And as a precinct chief, I feel strongly about the need for photo ID in order to vote as along as the state makes it easy and affordable for all the citizens. Virginia, I feel, does it nicely.

Maybe we can adopt a system of inking voter's fingers when they vote. It could be a "badge of honor" signifying that the citizen voted.

A low tech solution to the problem. I would not mind going to work with an inked finger indicating that I voted.

Well, do you think that the following would work:
- each state has a separate, state run database. Ie the federal goverment doesnt access it.
- registration for the voting (I assume that it happens before the vote?) is done using proof of citizenship (birth certificate + social security number?). Ie you can sell it that you need to have right to vote in order to vote. Registration is linked to the state's photo ID or other means of ID (for example biometrics) supplied by the person.
- after registration and before the elections states run the check to verify that there are no double registrations.
- person uses those means of ID at the elections.
?
What would be the expected counter arguments to such a set up?

[vienna]

New history texts as ordered by Trump...

Young George Washington chopping down the cherry tree:

Father: George, did you chop down this, my favorite cherry tree?

Young George (with hatchet still in his hand): Father, I can not tell a lie, but I do have some alternative facts to give regarding the matter...

New decree from Trump:

"Henceforth Lincoln will no longer be called "Honest Abe"; he is now to be known as "Sad, Weak Loser Who Didn't Know How To Use Alternative Facts..."...



<O>

[Catfish]

Lego

[vienna]

At least a Lego wall would probably be cheaper. Here is an article outlining how the "US12-15 Billion" wall would really cost the US taxpayer 4-5 times more than the Trump estimates; we in the US really pay for the wall ourselves in the form of a 'hidden tax' -- big time:

Trump just proposed a $60 billion tax hike:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/t...214631857.html



As is often said, the devil is in the details and, unfortunately, the guy sitting in the oval office isn't really into details...



<O>

[Oberon]

Meanwhile in Russia Sergei Mikhailov, the second-highest-ranking officer in the cyber-intelligence unit of the Federal Security Service (FSB), and Ruslan Stoyanov, a private cybersecurity analyst specializing in antivirus programs—were arrested on charges of treason.

Makes you ponder...

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Meanwhile in Russia Sergei Mikhailov, the second-highest-ranking officer in the cyber-intelligence unit of the Federal Security Service (FSB), and Ruslan Stoyanov, a private cybersecurity analyst specializing in antivirus programs—were arrested on charges of treason. [...]

Stoyanov's AntiVirus software might have found their own russian sniffing software and botnets, so...

Regarding Mikhailov maybe he becomes the scapegoat for influencing the US elections if such action is being found out; Putin of course has nothing to do with it. He's such a good friend of Trump, and threatened with the third world war would Hillary have been elected (if anyone remembers that).

The classical clichés do not work anymore, America's new Right is now pro Russian, while Obama and Hillary are not. May and Merkel are also anti-russian; May because fearing european trade could shift away from the UK to the east, and Merkel has not yet caught wind of the US government mind change.

What will they think of next...

[yubba]

So why did Obama in his last moments as vacationer in chief try to sneak 225 million of taxpayer money to the Palestinian authority ???? http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...fund-terrorism

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Regarding Mikhailov maybe he becomes the scapegoat for influencing the US elections if such action is being found out;

Either that or Mikhailov was where the US intel came from.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Define 'winning', because right now it seems that both are losing.

or how about if we define whining:

whine
(h)wīn/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: whining
give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.
"the dog whined and scratched at the back door"

I ate at a little cafe in Carson/Long Beach California one time ... the kind that had the grill in the restaurant with the counter right behind it out in the open. The cook would just turn around with your plate and put it in front of you on the counter. He had a big sign next to his grill that said, "No Whining allowed"

Originally Posted by vienna

At least a Lego wall would probably be cheaper. Here is an article outlining how the "US12-15 Billion" wall would really cost the US taxpayer 4-5 times more than the Trump estimates; we in the US really pay for the wall ourselves in the form of a 'hidden tax' -- big time:

Trump just proposed a $60 billion tax hike:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/t...214631857.html

As is often said, the devil is in the details and, unfortunately, the guy sitting in the oval office isn't really into details...

<O>

America could be great again if we gave up the next 13.5 billion dollar nuclear aircraft carrier to pay for the wall, but then we wouldn't be able to protect our foreign shores now would we?

[yubba]

So why did O try to hack Georgia's election board http://www.sarahpalin.com/whoa-trump...al-obama-move/

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

we wouldn't be able to protect our foreign shores now would we?

Against what exactly?