[REL]The Wolves of Steel - SH5 Megamod

[Fifi]

Ok, that did it. No more unwanted sinking at high depth even running 1 knot

But there are 2 patches to deactivate about manual dives planes.

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by Fifi

Maybe deactivating manual dives planes in TDW patcher?

I don't think you'll achieve anything by doing this. If you leave dive planes on "auto" while in game, the patch has no effect at all.
In order to achieve what you want, you'll have to experiment with submarine mass and surfaced/submerged displacement values specified in the appropriate submarine's sim file, using Goblin editor...

[fitzcarraldo]

Originally Posted by Fifi

Ok, that did it. No more unwanted sinking at high depth even running 1 knot

But there are 2 patches to deactivate about manual dives planes.

I think as Vecko, but I would to try your solution.

How could I disable the patches for dive planes? Via text edition?

Many thanks!

Fitzcarraldo

[Fifi]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

I don't think you'll achieve anything by doing this. If you leave dive planes on "auto" while in game, the patch has no effect at all.
In order to achieve what you want, you'll have to experiment with submarine mass and surfaced/submerged displacement values specified in the appropriate submarine's sim file, using Goblin editor...

Well, with the patch deactivated, i stay steady even stopped at 180m in the red zone...that’s all i can say!
With my crew now 100% trained, if they can’t keep my sub steady even in deep depth without my help, it’s not really accurate for wolves of Kriegsmarine!

Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

I think as Vecko, but I would to try your solution.

How could I disable the patches for dive planes? Via text edition?

Many thanks!

Fitzcarraldo

Open the TDW generic patcher, and find the 2 patches concerning manual dive planes.
Deactivate all inside and close. You’re good to test.

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by Fifi

Well, with the patch deactivated, i stay steady even stopped at 180m in the red zone...that’s all i can say!

Pretty much the same will happen with diveplane patches enabled as well...180m is the "magic border" which I couldn't move deeper without messing up too much 0-180m depth settings. Like I said, submarine's mass/submerged/surfaced displacement and (maybe) you'll achieve what you want...

With my crew now 100% trained, if they can’t keep my sub steady even in deep depth without my help, it’s not really accurate for wolves of Kriegsmarine!

I don't think that crew promotion points and and their train levels have anything to do with this issue but you are free to experiment of course.

[Fifi]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

I don't think that crew promotion points and and their train levels have anything to do with this issue but you are free to experiment of course.

No, that’s not what i meant...ahhh, damn language barrier

Just for historical accuracy, if a well trained crew couldn’t keep a steady sub at 180m, they ‘d better try other stuff ... like baby sitting for example

Mine is actually 100%, so I expect they can keep a steady level any time.
Even if in real it was not that easy

Before, when i was in red zone, the sub was sinking and only way to keep it level was regularly to blow ballast and play with the manual dives planes (not easy, you need some speed though, and when 3 DD are on top...)
After 3/4 ballast manœuvres you are air empty... hence dead.

I didn’t test over 180m yet, but i will (with the patches deactivated)
But so far, i’m Quite happy to don’t have to spend that much time for not sinking myself...
It’s enough tough to evade those Uber destroyers

[Fifi]

So it seems you were right (again) Vecko...

180m is the limit to not cross for steady sub.
Below, you have to give quite some speed to level up, and blow ballast to return at a normal depth.
But blowing ballast is VERY air consuming! Didn’t realize how much air each time... blowing twice you ‘re almost empty

[Muckenberg]

Hello
I think that this problem is expressed in the game enough. At a depth of 180 meters, the ship has enormous power and can not keep it running without the engines. If my memory does not deceive me, it was sufficiently explained in the novel "Das Boot" by the chief engineer in a conversation with a propaganda worker. Unfortunately, I am unable to calculate how many kgs per square centimeter is affecting the hull of the submarine at this depth. But the pressure of the water column will surely be huge.

[Tonci87]

So basically the weight of the water column above the boat starts to equalize the buoyancy?

[Muckenberg]

Hi
I will find the passion in the book "Das Boot" and I will try to introduce a complete explanation of the problem here.
Just in a nutshell it's the way you wrote. If the ship goes into ever-greater depths, the weight of the water column is constantly increasing, and the ship continually compresses and thus increases its weight. The air that is in the submarine is constantly compressed, and so the less and less the boat is hovering. And at a certain depth, the ship gets to the condition that it is no longer hovering, but it falls naturally. And there are two ways to lift the boat, either use compressed air and inflate into ballast tanks, increasing air volume and active buoyancy, or using engines and rudders.
Just like a submarine captain you have to be able to decide what depths you dive into and how to use compressed air.

[heli]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

I'll upload the full 2.2.0 version for you + v2.2.3 update...

EDIT:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/ik68...u9mg31p/shared

Great thanks, that helps me! Now I have learned that the German mod is up to version v2.2.8 compatible. If you do not care, you could put this version even in network?

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by heli

Great thanks, that helps me! Now I have learned that the German mod is up to version v2.2.8 compatible. If you do not care, you could put this version even in network?

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tyvc7v..._Full.exe/file


Edward Tambunan gave me permission to use his incredible repainted U-96 picture for new TWoS loading screen, which will look something like this...



Very SH5-ish I'd say...

[Fifi]

Very nice loading screen

On other hand, something that is making me crazy actually, is the absolute impossibility to get my flak gunner with rough sea...
Up to 10ms it’s dead
He is on top of conning tower deck though! Waves doesn’t come to this heigh.

I know it’s game limitation (or more SH5 vanilla bug) but nothing can really be done?
Very frustrating...
Also i know i can do the job by myself, but AI gunner is ten times better than me!

[gap]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Edward Tambunan gave me permission to use his incredible repainted U-96 picture for new TWoS loading screen, which will look something like this...

Very nice, but imho the overlays are a bit messy. I would make the SH5 title text a bit bigger, the TWoS one slightly smaller (so that it won't hamper the visual of Klt. Lehmann lol) and I would move all the subsim/best of subsim patches to one side. The bottom right corner with its black connig tower silhouette seems perfect for that

[heli]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tyvc7v..._Full.exe/file


Edward Tambunan gave me permission to use his incredible repainted U-96 picture for new TWoS loading screen, which will look something like this...

Very SH5-ish I'd say...

vdr1981 you're my savior

Picture looks great